User talk:Cern open source

October 2013
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Dear Daniel Case,

I understand you blocked user Cern_open_source (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Cern_open_source ).

Me and the Invenio team at CERN are thankful for that. We discovered only few weeks ago the changes Cern_open_source had done in October 2013 on the Invenio page ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invenio ).

Please note the following:

- there is no "Cern_open_source" unit, service or any other body called like that at CERN - after a short investigation I found that the "Cern_open_source" account was created and used by people from http://tind.io/ (as clearly hinted by changes done in october 2013 to the Invenio page) - TIND is a spin off company from both https://www.ntnu.no/ and CERN. As such, CERN and TIND collaborate, but TIND is *completely indipendent* from CERN - there was no authorisation for TIND to create and use an account in the name of CERN or trying to pretend that somebody at CERN was behind that account - in the last days we have been discussing with TIND and they understand they should not have used such a name, not only because it abuses Wikipedia rules, but also because they were not entitled to represent CERN in any ways - we are confident that what happened was mainly due to inexperience and unthoughtfulness and it will not happen again, after we clarified the issue with TIND.

I am available with pleasure to discuss the issue and/or to provide evidences about the notes above, including to prove my identity, if needed.

Based on the notes above, we ask:

- to revert the Invenio page to the version before the changes of october 2013, except * the Stable Release version number and date, which I updated on 25th feb. 2014 and it is correct as it is today * the External link about TIND (the last one), which we do not see reasons to suppress.

- to suppress the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Cern_open_source, which publicly associates CERN with abuses which were not done by CERN

We do not ask to unblock the account "Cern_open_source".

We understand that reverting the content of the Invenio page to the version before october 2013 is both in the interest of Invenio and of Wikipedia (since the text introduced in october 2013 does not always comply with Wikipedia policy). Of course I am available to do the changes myself, if you wish so.

Following the same principle, that is, in the interest both of Invenio and Wikipedia, in particular in order to provide a correct and useful information to Wikipedia readers, we would like to adress the issues that are cited at the top of the Invenio page and dating back to November 2012. Please advice on the best way to do it.

Indeed we think the issues should be raised based on the considerations below:

- notability guidelines: it is true that Invenio was originally developed by CERN. Today, though, (and since 2007) it is co-developed by an international collaboration comprising institutes such as CERN, DESY, EPFL, FNAL, SLAC (see the Website in the box in the Invenio page, or the readme file in the various versions). Actually there is no article on the "international collaboration", so the notability guidelines are met and the issue should be raised. Of course there are articles about CERN and DESY, EPFL, etc. But also for DSpace ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DSpace ) there are articles for MIT and HP Labs and even, more importantly, for Duraspace. If it is not agreed and there are still doubts that the Invenio page does not meet the notability guidelines, please explain us on which grounds and possibly hints to meet them.

- references to primary sources: we understand that this issue does not take into consideration the first of the External links. This link points to a list of a couple of dozens websites, indipendent from the "international collaboration" co-developing Invenio, which we believe should be considered as secondary sources. Could you please let us know if this is enough to raise this issue? If it is not the case, would it help to include references to an indipendent survey such as http://www.toscaconsultants.fr/logiciel.htm, which was reported also in the specialised press, see: http://www.toscaconsultants.fr/articles/logiciels_pour_bibliotheques_2014.pdf and http://www.toscaconsultants.fr/articles/bibliotheques_rebond_du_marche_des_logiciels.pdf ? There are also other indipendent sources that we could provide. If they should be listed as "External links", I will be happy to add them.

- Self-published sources: to us this issue should be raised based on the same grounds as the previous issue: the first of the External links lists several non "Self-published" sources. The mentioned survey is also a non "Self-published" source and we may provide other ones, if needed.

We would be gratefull to know how to help you in providing to Wikipedia readers an information about Invenio which is not earmarked as doubtfull and reflects correctly the dozens installations (around 50 documented) all over the world that trust Invenio to store a total of more than 5 million records of multimedia digital assets.

Finally, the note 1 to the Invenio page unfortunately contains a link which does not point to the intended information. We suggest the link to be replaced by

https://raw.github.com/inveniosoftware/invenio/v0.90.0/RELEASE-NOTES

Could you please confirm that there is no problem if I do this and similar updates directly, which are intended only to provide a more correct and useful information to the readers of Wikipedia and do not change the text of the article?

I am available with pleasure to discuss these issues regarding the article about Invenio and possibly future ones.

Thank you and regards Flavio Fcosta23 (talk) 14:29, 28 March 2014 (UTC)