User talk:Cernelmustard

July 2019
You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for Socking-- use of undisclosed alternate accounts in project space is not allowed.. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page:. TonyBallioni (talk) 00:31, 1 July 2019 (UTC)


 * What evidence is there that I'm using an undisclosed account, or socking? I usually just ip edit to fix typos and stuff which I don't think is socking.  How can I even appeal this?  None of the pages seem to be helpful in any way other than to say basically this is un-appealable and I'm basically in a catch-22.  Was this the result of a sockpuppet investigation?  No?  Admins can block anyone they want with basically no reason and there's no way to appeal?  Isn't there some policy about not biting new accounts or something?  "Users confirmed or believed to have engaged in the practice must request unblock at their main account."... so anyone banned for socking?  This is the only account I have.  "Reviewing admins will usually defer to the blocking admin in a sockpuppetry-based block, especially if the sock account has minimal edits."...  So basically appealing is pointless?  " If you are improperly blocked for sockpuppetry, you should realize that it may not always be easy or even possible to correct the situation."  That's not helpful in any way...  "Before opening an investigation, you need good reason to suspect sock puppetry." has there even been an investigation?  Why is there no simple guide to this?  Information about this in one place.  How do I appeal this?  I say I'm not a sock, the reviewing admin is SUPPOSED to then defer to the blocking admin?  That's crazy.  That's a catch-22.Cernelmustard (talk) 01:48, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
 * If you wish to appeal your block, you can and I won't step in the way of anyone passing by from unblocking you. I'd prefer they talk to me first, but this is obvious and I'm not going to search through weeds trying to find which blocked account you are (most likely) or which regular contributor evading scrutiny you are. TonyBallioni (talk) 01:53, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't understand. ""User:Example" is engaged in a heated dispute with someone else, and gets blocked because of it. Immediately after" Have a lot of people arguing that arbcoms open letter is a bad letter been banned?  Is that why you think I'm a sock?  You think I'm a sock of someone banned arguing about the open letter or fram or something?  "Saying the same things" and using the "same tone"?  "If consensus appears to be approaching one direction, aside from a handful of accounts that are using the same bad arguments (often "I like it" or "It's just not notable"), it might be reasonable to conclude that, even if direct sockpuppetry is not occurring, the accounts may have still ganged up together."...  OK...  are you arguing this is a sock I'm using to make it seem like my argument has more support than it actually does?  Is this even a consensus issue?  I'm supposed to be someones sock?  Whose argument am I amplifying?  What am I supposed to say in an appeal?  That I'm not a sock of people that have been banned arguing about the arbcom open letter?  That I'm not a sock being used to amplify someone elses argument about the open letter?Cernelmustard (talk) 02:11, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
 * You're free to appeal your block, I'm not commenting any further, but if you prefer the blocking admin can change the rationale to WP:NOTHERE. Creating a new account to whichever your old one is solely for the purpose of commenting in project space is a violation of the socking policy. We are not required to identify the master if it is this obvious. TonyBallioni (talk) 02:16, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Well that looks like it would help because I don't see how I violated WP:NOTHERE and I guess it would be easier to appeal than a sock block? What part of not here did I violate?  In fact, wouldn't what I'm doing fall under "Expressing unpopular opinions – even extremely unpopular opinions in a non-disruptive manner" which is explicitly called out as not being a violation of nothere?Cernelmustard (talk) 02:31, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
 * As I said, you're free to appeal. I won't be responding further to you, but any reviewing admin is free to contact me. TonyBallioni (talk) 02:32, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
 * OK. "but if you prefer the blocking admin can change the rationale to WP:NOTHERE."  So you're the blocking admin?  Could you change the rationale to WP:NOTHERE?Cernelmustard (talk) 02:48, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry, that was a typo. I meant the reviewing admin could read it as that. I'm not changing it: you're an obvious sock/troll account, and we don't have to play games. TonyBallioni (talk) 02:55, 1 July 2019 (UTC)