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the 1967 cease fire lines as a recognized border
Rice's Road Map Submitted by chaim grosz, Oct 10, 2007 Miami Beach Florida USA

In most of the worlds media and many Israeli newspapers, all territories beyond the 1967 cease fire line established in 1949 is considered by them as "Occupied lands" and thus it falls under the International rules of captured lands of a sovereign nation and the international rights afforded to the populations living there.

If this fact is acknowledged by the Government of Israel, and that it is righteous claim and for any hope for a peaceful resolution of the Arab Israeli conflict the so called "occupied territories" must be vacated and revert back to the Arab Nations,

Is not only unrealistic but it goes against all historic and reasonable rules for conflict resolution, to maintain such position and give it any political viability, simply is a declaration of surrendering to a hate induced ideology, in the misguided notion that by, such surrender it will some how eliminate the openly declared goal of the Arab (and other countries in world) desire to the eradication of a Jewish Israel and have such country become an additional Islamic governed entity.

The lofty ideas of a two state solution as being a viable alternative, is just as unrealistic in today's environment as it was just prior to the 1967 war, just what indication have the Arabs provided that such relinquishing of land, will produce a peaceful Middle East, does the continued slaughter between the differing Moslem sects in Gaza, Iraq, Sudan, engender (provide) any hope, can we find comfort by the continual supplies from Iran and Syria to any terrorist group willing to perpetrate daily assaults against Israel, or to both sides of the Iraq civil war by one Islamic sect fighting against a differing Islamic sect.

That open support is supplied to encourage them to fight the Big Devil namely Christian ideological countries, the United States, England, France, Italy, will that support cease if Israel will surrender and go back behind the "1967" cease fire lines, or will then the demand be the original demarcation lines drawn by the UN in 1947, and then the conflict will cease, is the Islamic fundamentalists continual attempt to overthrow their Islamic current governments that gives a sense of hope.

The one unifying element that all Arabs agree with is their unabashed hatred against the United States of America, because they are not, or do not, do the bidding of the Arabs in helping them to destroy Israel, non of the forgoing invokes any hope. The reality of this conflict is not about land or the rights of the Arabs that were made into "refugees" and remained so for 60 years by a conflict that was initiated by them for the sole purpose of completing the unfinished slaughter of Jews by the Nazi's.

By turning the calendar back to pre 1967 will finally satisfy the Arabs and then they will allow the Jews to live in peace is buying the propaganda constantly espoused by the Arabs, have the Arabs ever attempted to tackle and contain Arab terrorists from attacking Israel or other western countries, or even have they ever even committed themselves to stop the vile hate filled slanderous weekly Sermons in their Mosques' or changed their school books to even show Israel on their maps, does any of the above give hope to Israel.

The reality is that The Arab mentality never was nor will it be in the foreseeable future able, to refrain from violence to obtain what they perceive is rightfully theirs, to prove my point is the method and curriculum utilized in their educational systems, which is to encourage hate, violence, glorifying suicide to accomplish their goals, from kindergarten through higher university learning. If by any chance any understanding should be considered it must also include also a binding enforceable agreement with all the established Arab regimes they are the true culprits that are fueling the conflict, how many agreements were threatened to become voided that were made between Israel and other Arab Countries when Israel responds to Palestinian terrorists, all we hear from the Arabs when Israel responds to their attacks all agreements made by the Arabs are nullified if Israel does not stop immediately..

Their stated goal now is "We will demand the 1967 borders as a recognized non negotiated pre condition by Israel

In understanding the Islamic religious theory, that they can never surrender, as such is contrary to the will of GOD it brings into sharp focus the intractable demand by any Moslem country or by any leader chosen by a Moslem majority, that every inch of territory lost from the so called cease fire lines existing prior to 1967 must revert back to be under Islamic rule, it is irrelevant under what name or country such lands are called, that is why there was no demand for a separate Palestinian state between 1948 and 1967 as long as the dominant government authority has its basis in Islam .Jerusalem was ruled by Jordan Gaza by Egypt so the newly envisioned contemplated state to be known as Palestine is only a ploy by the Islamic collective to prove their superiority, that Islam being eternal and can never be defeated, as with time, all Islamic losses will be rectified, all it would require is a constant terrorizing.

To accede to such demand and believe for even a moment that the 1967 cease fire lines will produce a written, binding, and ever lasting enforceable peace treaty, is an illusion because according to Islamic theology, even the pre 1967 lands must also revert back to be ruled under Islam. .

To accede to such demand and believe for even a moment that the 1967 cease fire lines will produce a cessation of the continual viperous venom espoused by the Islamic religious leaders in their weekly sermons, is also an illusion., as such sermons geared to incite their parishioners against their host country, and not only Israel.

To accede to such demand and believe for even a moment that the 1967 cease fire lines will produce a different curriculum and or a change of teaching material or books being taught in the Islamic learning centers, is also an illusion.

To accede to such demand is a sure fire way to have a never ending continual agitation of inciting the Islamic masses to never surrender and continue their Jihad against the weak western nations and Israel.

We cannot forget that this conflict is not about land or any of its resources, it is a ideological conflict that would take a new generation of people educated in not having the basic element of hate as the basic staple in their educational systems.

Islam is very aware that to attain victory all they really need is ONE yes only ONE victory and Israel will truly cease to be under a Jewish Government for the unforeseen future.

Will that be the final death blow to the Jewish nation NO as Jews have suffered greater calamities then a political loss of being self governing, but what such calamity will produce is a world reverting back into the dark ages where hate and intolerance will be the norm of society, that best case scenario of course is, if we contemplate or even believe that the world and its various governments as we know them today are still around, and have not been immolated into a nuclear wasteland, with small pockets of sickly surviving humans.