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Sunyatphaa(Udayaditya Singha)
Hiii..I have already mentioned in the article Sunyatphaa that Udayaditya Singha is the younger brother of Chakradwaj Singha. You can check the introduction and the ancestry portion of the article Sunyatphaa (Udayaditya Singha). As for the son of Suhungmung, I have consulted two books, "Ahomar Din" by Hiteswar Barbarua, first published in 1924 AD and "Tungkhungia Buranji or A History of Assam 1681-1826 AD" by Surjjya Kumar Bhuyan, first published in 1933 AD. Both of them mentioned the name of Suhungmung's son as Sureng. In the genealogical table showing the kings of Ahom Dynasty, published by Department of HISTORICAL AND ANTIQUARIAN STUDIES IN ASSAM, the name of Suhungmung's son who was the ancestor of Sunyatphaa is given as Sureng. If you need any more information, i will be happy to provide. Thanks. Lachitbarphukan (talk) 14:54, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... this is interesting. Golap Chandra Barua's "Ahom Buranji" says Chakradhwaj Singha was the grandson of Shuleng, the Saring Raja (p186).  Do you know if there is a r/l confusion in the Ahom language?  Chaipau (talk) 06:04, 12 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, i am not aware of r/l confusion in Ahom Language. I have found that there are some minor differences in the narrations of all historians, regarding any historical events, names, etc. As a result, confusions do occurs. But such confusions are minor problems which can be dealt easily by sharing our knowledge and mutual understanding. Anyways, i will read the book "Ahom Buranji" by Golap Chandra Barua. If you need any more information or book on Ahom History, do let me know.Lachitbarphukan (talk) 04:22, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

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Lower Assam
About your note I would not have as in-depth knowledge of geography, history and government of Assam as you would have. However I suspect some articles and categories relating to Kamrup, lower Assam and western Assam overlap or are duplicate. Shyamsunder (talk) 19:40, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

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I have created the article Sulikphaa. Please add it to the list of Ahom Dynasty.Lachitbarphukan (talk) 13:48, 5 April 2013 (UTC)


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While I understand your frustration, alleging vandalism on the part of a user who disagrees with you (as you did in ) assumes bad faith, so it's best to avoid. Thanks. — Rutebega ( talk ) 19:29, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Please be aware that I am attributing the act of deleting a duely referenced text as vandalism, not the position that an editor has disagreed with me. Chaipau (talk) 09:52, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

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Hello, thanks for creating this article. I was wondering if you are able to add refs? Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 11:42, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

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The current structure has been built during the Ahom times,[4] in "Kamakhya Temple"
Chaipau, The reference book given mentions "The temple of the goddess Kali or Kamakhya on the top of the hill was built during the domination of the Ahoms." (Banerji 1925, p. 100). It also mentions "This temple was built on the ruins of another structure erected by king Sukladhvaja or Naranarayana, the first king and founder of the Koch dynasty of Cooch Bihar, whose inscription is still carefully preserved inside the mandapa. (Banerji 1925, p. 100)" That means the book treats Sukladhwaj and Naranarayan to be the same person-though they were not. Moreover it describes Naranarayan as the first king and founder of Koch dynasty of Cooch Bihar, whereas Viswa Singha was the first king and founder of Koch kingdom. Last but not the least, Maharaja Naranarayan was not under the Ahom king(in fact, during Naranarayan's reign, Ahom king paid tribute to king Nara Narayan). The very inscription in the temple itself mentions Maharaja Naranarayan and his brother Chilarai as the ones who rebuilt the temple during Maharaja Naranarayan's reign(ref no.6: Sarkar 1992 p16. It is said that Viswa Simha revived worship at Kamakhya. According to an inscription in the temple, his son Chilarai built the temple during the reign of Naranarayana, the king of Koch Bihar and the son of Viswa Simha, in the year 1565). So, please justify the statement- "The current structure has been built during the Ahom times,[4]". Books can be wrong; so, do justify, reply and take necessary steps.

Above all,domination also means 'the state of being dominated'2 and here the words 'during the domination of the Ahoms' may mean that at the time when the temple was built, Ahoms were under domnation by Koches (in 1563 chilarai occupied capital of Ahom kingdom: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chilarai). The sentence is "during the domination of the Ahoms" and not "during the domination by the Ahoms". eg. see the context of using'domination of' in the following pages- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Chinese_domination_of_Vietnam and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chinese_domination_of_Vietnam Padmanlp (talk) 17:38, 5 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Your discussion on whether Naranarayan and Chilarai are the same or whether they were the first kings of the Koch dynasty is not relevant to the current discussion. The author is an archaeologist, not a historian, writing in 1925 when much of Assam's history was not known, let alone widely.  They have no bearing on Banerji's archaeological findings.


 * Banerji talks of two structures. The current structure (1) which was built during the "domination of the Ahoms", and the previous structure (2) which was built by Sukladhvaja/Naranarayan.  Your assertion that "domination of the Ahoms" may mean "Ahoms were dominated" would then mean the current structure (1) was erected when the Koches dominated the Ahoms (1562).  So, did Sukladhvaj/Naranarayan build the previous structure (2) too?  Recalling that Naranarayan became the king in 1540, this would mean he built the temple twice within a period of 12 years.  Obviously this makes no sense, and your assertions that "domination of the Ahoms"  means "Ahoms were dominated" is wrong.


 * OTOH, recall that the Ahoms under Rudra Singha/Siva Singha established the Parvatia Gosain in Kamakhya and the Tungkhungiya kings became Sakta worshipers and were closely associated with the temple. So everything makes sense if you consider the current structure was built by the (not fully) by the Ahoms, and the previous structure by Naranarayan. You would be further convinced when you look at the Kamakhya temple architecture.  The western portion, with the aphsidal end and sloping roof does not match the cuboid middle portion in the middle with the smaller mandaps.  You can easily discern the shape of the Ranghar in the western building.  Also notice that all the mandaps on the middle cuboid structure is identical to the main mandap, except for one, which has a sloping roof instead, which is obviously a later addition.


 * There are actually three periods. The first was the massive 10th century structure which Viswa Singha discovered in ruins.  The second structure, build by Naranarayan with some of the ruins, the chief remaining original characteristic of which is the main mandap; and the third structure, which was built by the Ahoms, on top of the Koch structure.


 * Chaipau (talk) 22:22, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Firstly, I was to use "may mean" and not merely "mean"(you can check in 'Kamakhya Temple' Talk page where I have used 'may mean'). Sorry for that. By the way, I did not get what makes no sense.

Secondly, Naranaraya defeated Ahom king in 1563 and the building time of the temple is also around that. So, it is quite probable that the author means what I have told(as you already pointed out the author may not be aware of the exact time when Koches defeated the Ahoms). Moreover, if you read the book carefully, it mentions the ahom period construction separately in later portion of the paragraph and is suitably agreed if we interpret what I asserted. Also, in the book, the two points you mentioned are not distinguished, rather it shows the flow that he is describing the same incident(refer to the book para). Above all, it is highly probable that the author is writing in chronological order.

Further, "Kamakhya durng Ahom era" has already been mentioned separately in the Wikipedia article under discussion.

Lastly, supposing if you knew all these, can you justify just one line you wrote: The current structure has been built during the Ahom times ??(even after knowing present structure is mostly due to Naranarayan and Chilarai)! Padmanlp (talk) 04:00, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

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You removed the book "Sukhabilāsa Barmā (2004). Bhāwāiyā: Ethnomusicological Study. Global Vision Publishing Ho. pp. 74–. ISBN 978-81-8220- 070-8. Retrieved 30 May 2013" considering it a terrible book in the article Sankardev.

Can you please state the reasons for considering the book to be terrible? Padmanlp (talk) 09:20, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Removal of book from Sankardev
You removed the book "Sukhabilāsa Barmā (2004). Bhāwāiyā: Ethnomusicological Study. Global Vision Publishing Ho. pp. 74–. ISBN 978-81-8220- 070-8. Retrieved 30 May 2013" considering it a terrible book in the article Sankardev.

Can you please state the reasons for considering the book to be terrible? Padmanlp (talk) 09:21, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

It's ok- I'l not use that book; but I would like you to pinpoint some reasons at least. Please give. Padmanlp (talk) 14:29, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

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Assam tea
Hi, could you please see the article and the edits by User:BijoyChakrabarty? Would like to hear your opinions on the same. Thanks.Shovon (talk) 16:23, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I have made my observations in the talk page: Talk:Assam_tea. Chaipau (talk) 16:44, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

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Ahom kings
I will be glad to help in the editing. Just let me know which sections and articles need to be edited to conform the reference system. Lachitbarphukan (talk) 19:06, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Kamarupa of Bhaskar Varman
Ho-lee crap, you have done an amazing job on that article. If you can suggest any help that I can contribute (other than complaining that it wasn't good enough) please let me know. I don't know anything about the subject matter, but I'll do what I can, and I'm happy to follow your lead. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 06:57, 15 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, I tried. But he has since restored that page to the original version and "protected" it with citations.  The page is actually a POV fork of Bhaskar Varman.  As I read through it, I realized he is setting up Bhaskar Varman as a hero for Aryanism/Hinduism, or some such thing.  I have had to deal with him for the last year or so.  His methodology is simple.  He searches for "quotes" on books.google.com and puts them on Wikipedia, supporting his own notions.  Chaipau (talk) 10:46, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh wow. I see what you mean.  I wonder if it's possible to get a Request for Comment on this article or something. I'm put off by the idea that it's a history presented, in essence, by one opinion on the matter.  I also don't exactly see how it's a history of the kingdom, because it's reading (the parts I can get through) like a history of the king, which you've essentially said.  Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:29, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, this is probably a good candidate for RfC. Please go ahead.  Chaipau (talk) 02:06, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Rightly said Chaipau. We need to tackle his baseless and ridiculous edits together. He not only quotes favourable texts, but has also manipulated it many times, often trying to bring in Aryans where it isn't supposed to be. For instances while quoting Edward Gait, he has deliberately skipped parts like the "the account of mongoloid origin majority in Bhaskarvarman's kingdom" and "the misinterpretation of Varmans as Brahmans by Xuanzang, who were infact local indigenous rulers converted to Kshatriya ranks". Qwertywander1 (talk) 03:40, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

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SULFA
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Sources on Vedanta
Hi Chaipau. Are there sources which you can recommand regarding Vedanta, especially Bhedabheda? I'd like to know more, beyond the standard Advaita-repertoire. Joshua Jonathan  -  Let's talk!   08:31, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

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