User talk:Chanakal/Archive 4

Kedarnath Wild Life Santuary
Hi! Chanakal,

Thanks for the remarks. I agree with the changes you have made and also your observations of the two species. It was probably a typo error. As regards the synonyms, I based it on the the following quote from Reference 12 IUCN. ''Common Name/s: English – Himalayan Muskdeer, Himalayan Musk Deer, Himalayan Musk-deer

Synonym/s: Moschus chrysogaster Hodgson, 1839 ssp. leucogaster''

If you find the above not in order, please change it. Reference 2 of WWF gives all the names of flora and fauna, which I have used in the article. Since you have been writing nice articles on this subject for Wild Life in Sri Lanka, I have regard for your observations. Feel free to edit. --Nvvchar (talk) 02:34, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Chanakal, for the changes made and also the clarification on the Alpine Musk Deer and Himalayan Musk Deer and the reference of wwf being old. Since the article is still not removed from the DYK talk page may be you could consider adding a sentence clarifying this issue. I also would appreciate if you kindly edit the article to remove the paraphrasing issues b pointed by another user who has put the tag.--Nvvchar (talk) 09:02, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Chanakl. Can you please assess my articles Eld's Deer and Keibul Lamjao National Park, both iin Manipur, India which were quite some month ago accepted on DYK? They were part of four articles DYK hook. I want to post them for upgrade to GA. Thanks.--Nvvchar (talk) 02:40, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I have made the edit changes as suggested by you in the above two articles. Please see if they are adequate for assessment and further posting on GA. If you find it OK, please nominate on GA since I am not very conversant with the procedures. Thanks.--Nvvchar (talk) 09:55, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Postage stamps and postal history of Ceylon
Hi Chanakal. Reckon you could create an article on this? P.S. I've recently set up WikiProject Intertranswiki. I haven't started a Sinhalese work group yet as I wasn't sure what the other wiki was like. It may have some decent articles, I'm not sure. If you are interested I will create a workgrou and it can be used to list any missing articles on Sri Lanka not only ones needing transwikiying. Dr. Blofeld      White cat 18:08, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * is an admin on the Sinhala Wikipedia. He might be able to help you with this, Blofeld. ≈ Chamal  talk 02:15, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi. Yeah that's what I thought about Sinhalese wiki. The idea is to exract quality and good articles, but if they don't have any, no point in creating a group yet. I haven't created work groups for the sake of it, I've only started work groups where there is quality info and a lot of missing articles Dr. Blofeld       White cat 15:52, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Help
Hello Chanaka, this new editor is vandalising the history of Sri Lanka page be removing information that is necessary to the section, I reverted his vandalism, but he keeps on reverting it back and has been threatening to block me so I explained why I reverted his revision in Talk:History of Sri Lanka, he has not replied but reverted it back again. His next edits looked like personal attacks, including adding my name to Administrator intervention against vandalism stating nothing about my reversion but claiming my edit was highly racist and offensive in nature which it is not, and vandalizing my user page  threatening to block me. Could you revert this edit and tell him to leave the history of Sri Lanka page alone until he decides to add constructive edits. Thank you--Blackknight12 (talk) 04:59, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks - Blackknight12 (talk) 05:43, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Basnahira South cricket team
Hello! there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath and respond there as soon as possible.


 * Hi again :) I'm trying to find more details for inclusion into your article, and I wanted to run them by you to see if I'm comprehending them correctly.  SInce your knowledge is clearly greater, I wonder whether you would note your agreement or disagreement with each of the following concepts.  Where appropriate, I've also snuck in a few questions.


 * According to this article  and this one the club was formed by Sri Lanka Cricket in 2007.  Yet the article says — without citation — 1992.    I'd think that'd be a pretty important fact to include somewhere in the lead — or at the start of a history section — and for it to be specifically cited.  People like to know how old sports teams are, as evidenced by the leads/history sections of New York Knicks, Bristol Rovers, Beitar Jerusalem, Montreal Canadiens, and Lancashire County Cricket Club.
 * Related to the above, the citation for their "first-class debut" doesn't establish anything. Again, people like to know about the origins of teams, and the cited source doesn't include the words "Basnahira South".  I'm not doubting the veracity of the statement, but the cited source in no way establishes that "Western Province South" became "Basnahira South".  Of course, I realize that "Basnahira" means "western" in Sinhalese, and that there was a time in the recent past when Sri Lankan players switched from using Anglicized names to Sinhalese ones.  But that doesn't exactly explain, to global readers, why there's this odd mix of English and Sinhalese used to form the current title.  The cited source also doesn't in any way imply that the "Western Province South" team from 1992 is the same team that now exists.  With such a generalized, geographic name, people might legitimately wonder whether they're the same entity.  I think it would be interesting to readers unfamiliar with Sri Lanka to explain why the title isn't fully Sinhalese, as "Basnahira Dakunu".  Etymologies of sports teams' names is a very important part of articles like Boston Red Sox, Sharks (Super rugby franchise), Springboks, Lahore Badshahs, F. C. Ashdod, and many many others from various sports and countries around the world.  I know that the article touches on all this in the "Participation" section, but that entire section is unsourced, and none of the current text explains why the name is actually a mix of English and Sinhalese.
 * Indeed, this brings up the whole question of what the official name of the team actually is.  Is  it simply Basnahira South?  Or as this source indicates Basnahira South Columbo?  Other sources like this seem to want to include the sponsor in the name, as "Lexmark Basnahira North/South".  If you're alleging that the team started as "Western Province South", and eventually became "Lexmark Basnahira South", then we need some sort of explanation with citation for all the variations.
 * According to this article, a significance of the Lexmark sponsorship is that Lexmark represents a particular sector of industry, with four other sectors backing the other teams in the league. How has this relationship changed/benefited the team/league?  Is Lexmark's sponsorship in jeopardy following the failure of the Inter-Provincial Limited Overs Tournament?
 * Again referencing same source, this five-side league is intended to make SLC more competitive internationally by highlighting teams whose players come from more varied parts of the country. But the article doesn't mention anything about this.
 * This article seems to imply that the inter-provincial league only began in Jan 2009. This one suggests that similar reorganizations of SLC have resulted in several one-season-only tournaments in Sri Lankan history. Shouldn't the article, for balance, suggest, as the source does, that these league changes might be only temporary?
 * If the team started in 1992, why has only the 2009/9 season been highlighted? Did nothing notable happen to the club between 1992 and 2008?  And has this team always represented exactly the same geographic area?  i get the impression that the point of the 2007 changes was to redefine the geographic "catchment area" for the team's players.  Am I wrong in that assessment?  This seems to be backed by Sri Lankan Inter-Provincial Cricket Tournament, which implies that it's possible to trace the team's origin back to 1990.  Alternately, it'd have to be said that the club was disbanded from 2003-2005, when the three Western teams were reduced again to simply "Western Province".  There seems to have been no Western team whatever in 2006, suggesting that it's certainly possible to view 2007 as a fresh start or, to borrow a media term, reboot.  I think you'd have to agree that it's a confusing picture, so what's the correct view here, as established by sources?
 * Well, these are a few of my queries. Again don't worry so much about DYK approval.  In a very technical sense, the only thing that you can really be accused of, it seems to me, is that you've slightly violated rule D9, in that there's an unresolved contradiction between the date you give as the start of the club, and the start date implied by Sri Lankan Inter-Provincial Cricket Tournament.  Of all the questions I've raised above, that's probably the one you need to work on first.  But whether you pass the DYK nom is not the important goal here.  I hope you see my comments as well-intended, and focused on the goal of simply making the article better and more informative to the average global  reader.    Czech Out   ☎ |  ✍  01:04, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Seems to be most of your questions you're asking due to lack of knowledge of Sri Lanka, and the status of cricket in there. I will explain the underlying situation in detail.

Tournament: First of all, You need to understand that these provincial teams are not came into being organically, naturally. They are artificially created because of their need arose when some of the problems detected in the club competitions, especially in the Premier Trophy. In Sri Lanka First-class club matches played over three days compared to four day matches in the other countries, and Test cricket is played over five days. So cricketers, administrators, media and fans all the stakeholders agreed that there is a gap existing in the level of first class cricket in Sri Lanka and Test cricket. When the players selected for the national side their performance was not upto the test cricket level. Please see the Sri Lanka's performance before 1996 here. Sri Lanka managed to win only 7 matches before they win the 1996 Cricket World Cup. what the players thinking in this regard was illustrated in this article by Kumar Sangakkara, current national captain. Therefore Inter-Provincial tournament began in 1990 to tackle the problems stated above. But the teams for the tournament are purposely-created by selecting top players from the club competition. This is backed by this and this articles.

Administration of cricket in Sri Lanka: I think this aspect is the underlying, invisible part that you should know about. But mentioning this aspect is not clear in the team article as these are cultural phenomena in Sri Lanka and they are subtle and visible only when dug deep. As Sri Lanka won the world cup suddenly the attention cricket got heightened, especially in cricket administration. As the cricket became money spinner in the country lots of influential people eyed the head seat in the Sri Lanka Cricket board. When Clifford Ratwatte, uncle of then president of the country, Chandrika Kumaratunga contested against Thilanga Sumathipala, another influential businessman violence broke out in election of cricket board. Here are two reports, sunday times and the sunday leader. All these guys did one thing, reverting predecessors doings or remodel them. While Thilanga Sumathipala in the office, he introduced this new format for the tournament in 2003/04 season. Look the radical change in the teams. North Central Province, Sri Lanka and Uva Province participated in for the first time. Personally, I think this not a wise move. These two provinces are under-developed compared to Western Province, Sri Lanka and not even they have first-class clubs either. Please observe that as the sumathipala's reign ends the tournament went to hiatus. The tournament revived under Jayantha Dharmadasa, another businessman in 2007/08 season. Yet again the format of the tournament undergoes change. This time with Sinhala names and new cricket formats, First-class and Twenty20 and Limited overs cricket. There is more to cricket administration meddling with format of tournaments. Please count the number of clubs in the tier 1 and tier 2 in Template:Cricket in Sri Lanka. Observe the anomaly? There are 11 teams in the upper tier 10 in lower tier. This happened due when the number of teams in league was increased without real reason and in the end one of the teams promoted, Badureliya Cricket Club refused relegatation when they finished bottom of the table. As far as I remember they went to court and the decision was in favour of them. Here is the report The Badugate.

When the inter-provincial tournament gone out, also went the teams, because as I mentioned above, this teams are tailor-made for the tournament. Cricket administration explains the intermittent gaps in the team history. So when they recreated in 2007 it is actually start from the scratch. I think therefore that cricinfo report is fair. Although they change names they were represented by same players. For exmple check here Central province in 2003/04 and Kandurata in 2008/09. Please observe key players like Sangakkara, Muralitharan, both Kandyans appear in both teams. They also played the home matches in same ground, Asgiriya Stadium. Compared to provincial teams, Some of the Sri Lankan clubs have long histories. To tell the truth I also had the same question what is the teams' name. According to the most reliable source I got, Cricinfo and to comply with WP:COMMONNAME, I named the article Basnahira South not Basnahira Dakuna. Please refer my this edit summary also. Well you say it is odd to have mix English and Sinhalese, I would say it is odd and nonsense. Because those names Kandurata, Ruhuna are nice, poetic names but they don't represent the area the team covers. For example ancient Ruhuna once covered modern day Southern Province as well as everything in the south of Mahaweli River in Eastern Province, Sri Lanka. So when you ask me why is it so that mix names, it is unfair and bordering ridiculosity. As for me I don't know why the administrators choose these names nor no source could be found explaining them. You are asking me a question that the SLC administrators could answer.

I tried to answer your question as much in detail as I can and sincerely as well. So I hope that would cast away any problems you have. Cheers!--Chanaka L (talk) 19:29, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Basnahira South cricket team
Hello! Please keep up the great work! Himalayan  13:28, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Grunge Lit
Hello! Thanks for commenting on my submission of Grunge Lit at the Did You Know nominations page. I've responded to your comments at my nomination's entry and hope that all is satisfactory. Anything further let me know. Nick Ottery (talk) 17:28, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Sri Lankan Buddhists in Australia
Hi Chanakal! Good to hear from you! Your mention of Sri Lankan Buddhists coming to Australia in the 19th century took be by surprise - I have never heard of it before. So, I've done a bit of research and found the following information:


 * "According to The Australian People, edited by James Jupp, a contingent of 500 Sri Lankan workers entered Australia in the late 19th Century to work on Queensland's plantations. The workers were met with hostility from local labourers who feared loss of work to the cheaper, imported workers.


 * The new arrivals did not stay long and only very few of their descendants still live in Australia. Sinhalese migration began in the 1960s but it was after the mid-1970s that large groups arrived and these tended to include Christians and Buddhists."

And there is quite an interesting and more detailed account in The Australian people: an encyclopedia of the nation, its people and their ... by James Jupp which you can access at:

Hope this is of some help. All best wishes, John Hill (talk) 04:16, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Hi again!
Glad to be able to be of some small help. And thanks for your kind remarks on my work on Tibetan Buddhism. I am sad to say I have never been to Sri Lanka, although I have been very close having travelled to the southern tip of India at Kanyakumari a long time ago. I always wanted to visit Sri Lanka - but somehow, so far, it just hasn't worked out. Maybe now the war is over and people have had time to recover from the tsunami, it would be a good time to visit. Anyway, do keep in touch from time to time. Cheers, John Hill (talk) 04:31, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Thankyou amigo!! LOL the article is more developed than the main Tunisia article!! Good to see you are well acquainted with another amigo of mine, Sir John Hill. Himalayan   10:27, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar and Thanks!
You were 100 percent correct about the copyright violation on Sri Dalada Maligawa. In fact, the entire article is a long term copyvio from this website. It seems all of this was removed once before, back in July 2005. I completely missed that on my previous check. But thanks to your diligence and second report, it has been caught this time. I very much appreciate you keeping a watch out for copyright issues. Thanks again for your help. — Cactus Writer |   needles  09:34, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * If you find the time to rewrite the article, than that would be great. Good luck. — Cactus Writer |   needles  15:29, 15 September 2009 (UTC)


 * A well done from me too! Good luck with that rewrite if you are going to try it. That's an article that can be improved quite well, I think. Just drop a note if you need any assistance. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 02:47, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Sri Dalada Maligawa
Chanaka, I still didn't get a chance to find any books for this. My apologies for the delay, but I will get to it as soon as I can. Just to let you know I haven't forgotten :) ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 02:19, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Taxoboxes
Hi! Chanakal,

How are you? It is quite some time since I wrote to you. I am yet to come round to putting some of my articles on GA. I will do so shortly and let you know for review. But I am continuing with my DYKs.

Now, I need a little guidance. Can you guide me to put two taxoboxes to adjoin each other, say of Painted Stork and Spot-billed Pelican for use in a stub artilce on Kokrebellur, which I am expanding?--Nvvchar (talk) 15:13, 30 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I have now expanded the article Kokkarebellur with the above referred taxo boxes. There is a reference to Sri Lanka also. May I request you to wikify the artcile and nominate it on DYK with a suitable hook?--Nvvchar (talk) 04:13, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Hakgala Strict Nature Reserve
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DYK for Kokrebellur

 * Thanks, Chanakal.--Nvvchar (talk) 02:26, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

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DYK nomination of Kaudulla National Park
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DYK
Hello! Your submission of Field Ornithology Group of Sri Lanka at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! RMHED  00:30, 22 October 2009 (UTC)