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Would you make an article for Shinobi no Mono?
Or possibly Kamui too. --194.145.185.229 (talk) 17:03, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm surprised there isn't one already for Shinobi no Mono. Anyway, yeah I should be able to start one for it. I'll gather up some info (including some on the Japanese Wikipedia page) and go from there. If it goes well, I'll look at creating one for Kamui after that. --Chanbara (talk) 18:38, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

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Hi, I'm just letting you know that most of the sources on the Shinobi no Mono entry you've created cannot be used. I'll detail why:


 * 1) This entry is just a database entry among many others. It looks like it's about the equivalent of an IMDb listing. It might be usable as a trivial source, but for the most part it just shows that the films existed, not that they were notable.
 * 2) This is a listing to the Anime Eigo purchase page. This cannot be a reliable or even really a trivial source. Links to product pages are to be avoided. It does give the links to two reviews, but unfortunately neither seem to be from sites that would be considered reliable or notable.
 * 3) This looks to be a fan site and unless it's a site that's been quoted in reliable sources (books, notable people, etc), you can't really use fan sites.
 * 4) This review site doesn't appear to be reliable or notable enough to count as a reliable source, unfortunately.
 * 5) Linking to the Japanese Wikipedia article doesn't really help give notability in this instance, unfortunately.
 * 6) This one I'm sort of unfamiliar with, but depending on where the article originally was posted it might be usable. If it was independently published by a notable person and/or in a reliable journal/publication, then it can be used. Otherwise it's pretty much the equivalent of a blog or review site in that we can only use them if they've been published by reliable sources or if the person writing the article is so notable that they're considered to be an authority in the subject. (IE, that they've been quoted in multiple books, etc.)
 * 7) This looks like it's the publisher's page, which would be seen as a primary source. It might be usable as a trivial source, but anything put out by the publisher, author (I know he's long dead, but just listing it as an example), or anyone involved in the production of the books or films would be seen as a primary source.
 * 8) This is just a World Cat listing. It just proves that the books exist and doesn't really count as a reliable or even trivial source.

HOWEVER, since the books have been adapted into several different movies as well as a TV show, it's clearly notable per WP:NBOOK. I just wanted to let you know why I'll be deleting all of the sources from the article even though I approved it to the wiki. Tokyogirl79 (talk) 09:19, 1 January 2012 (UTC)tokyogirl79
 * Fixed it! It should redirect to the actual page now! That was my first attempt actually doing anything with redirects, so I hope it was done right!Tokyogirl79 (talk) 14:12, 1 January 2012 (UTC)tokyogirl79

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 * Information orange.svg Please do not use styles that are unusual, inappropriate or difficult to understand in articles, as you did in Enter the Ninja. There is a Manual of Style, and edits should not deliberately go against it without special reason. Thank you. Andrzejbanas (talk) 14:24, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Which part of this information is going against the Manual of Style? You are removing VALID information that is all properly sourced (have many more examples in 1980s martial arts magazines). Also, the term "sequels" is usually associated with films that feature the same characters, which this trilogy does not. It is an anthology series and a TRILOGY (referred as such on vintage posters in 1984 upon the release of the final film in the trilogy: https://www.instagram.com/p/BtEb2N3A7GP/)Chanbara (talk) 14:33, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
 * The main issue is you are introducing information into the lead with sources which belongs in the prose. Per MOS:LEADCITE, you generally do not include citations in the lead unless its controversial material. This information belongs in the prose, which I have added and you have removed. Its not that it wasn't sourced, its just in the wrong section, and you have continuously added it there. I have dug up information to balance it out and add it to the prose which you have removed, (which I don't think you did to be a vandal, just maybe you were not aware of the standards). I am okay with them not being called sequels, but as these films are relatively obscure nowadays, I would not state its a Cannon series (which is not mentioned in any source you have dug up, and has no real meaning to an average reader.) I'm not against stating trilogy, but outside one box set, there does not seem to be a title for it. I'd suggest re-writing that. So feel free to re-phrase them as not being sequels, but I would avoid formatting the lead with sources and find ways to include this info in the prose and to make sure your text actually is fully backed up by the sources. Andrzejbanas (talk) 14:53, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I added sources after you removed this information because they had no sources to begin with. These 3 films have been referred to as a trilogy and specifically as "The Ninja Trilogy" since the mid 1980s. Eureka Video did not come up the term, they simply used what has been well known for 30+ years and referred to as such many times (magazines, publicity, etc...). The vintage video store poster for the VHS release of Ninja III: The Domination in 1984 is a perfect example as they state "The TRILOGY is now complete". You are also incorrect about these not being a Cannon series. The Cannon Group Inc. produced all 3 films. The copyright on all 3 film prints is Cannon Films, Inc. and the Cannon Group Presents company logo begins each film. Yoram Globus and Menahem Golan (of Golan-Globus Productions) owned and operated Cannon Films/The Cannon Group. The 3 films are CANNON films. Ignoring this or stating or claiming otherwise is simply untrue.Chanbara (talk) 15:05, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

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Quick question, how is the Japanese Movie Database sourced? How do they gather their information? Andrzejbanas (talk) 14:28, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
 * JMDB has information sourced from Kinema Junpo and other Japanese film publications and newspapers, as well as information provided from the studios. Other good resources for Japanese films are https://www.japanese-cinema-db.jp/ and http://db.eiren.org/ Chanbara (talk) 15:11, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

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Sonny Chiba
The please provide a source for this, because I could not find anything when I was searching. The Hong Kong Movie DataBase isn't user-generated, it has an editorial team that reviews and approves everything. I provided a source, you have not. Xia talk to me  11:11, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I've used HKMDB in the past and have had all references removed. Anyway, the "Sonny" name is from the crappy English Dubbed version. The character's true name in the original Japanese version is as I indicated. Plenty of sources for it: https://eigadb.com/cinema/staff?id=18628, https://eiga.com/movie/36221/, https://moviewalker.jp/mv18449/, etc... so take your pick.Chanbara (talk) 13:02, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

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