User talk:Changm55

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Pi Delta Psi
As requested by mail, here is the section on notable alumni:

Notable Alumni
Apparel
 * Michael Chang - Creator, Expression Sanctuary LLC (ESJunk.com) (Los Angeles, CA)


 * Jerry Lore - Creator, Jask Clothing Line
 * Dennis Ngin, Nick Leung and Tony Tran - Creators, One Greek Store (Gainesville, FL.)

Business
 * Chung Ng - Partner, Rokkan Advertising Agency (New York, NY.)


 * Andy Ting - Owner, Alien Printing (Long Island City, NY.)


 * Parkson Liang - Owner, American Flyer Travelware


 * Alan Zhu - Owner, American Swimming Learning Center (James Madison High School)


 * Vincent Koo - Owner, Exit Kingdom Realty Company (Forest Hills, NY.)


 * Edward Ho - Owner, Guess Flowers Inc. (Brooklyn, NY.)


 * Damien Lee - Founder, ImageBeyond


 * Eddie Hsaio - Owner, Sunlight Jewelry Incorporated


 * Dain Lee - Owner, The Corcoran Group Real Estate (New York, NY.)


 * Guo Qiang Zhou - Owner, The Poochie Place (New York, NY.)


 * Derek Hsiang - Creator, The Tennis Store (Huntington, NY.)


 * Johnny Chung - Owner, Tummy-Ssage Inc.

Food and Entertainment
 * Calvin Chang - Creator, Access Nightlife Promotion Team


 * James Kim - Co-owner, Chin Chin Restaurants (Culver City, CA)


 * Chris Mei and Eddie Lee - Owners, Vesta Nightclub (New York, NY.)

Manufacturing
 * David Chang - Owner, Fa De Shun Industrial CO., LTD (Huizhou, China)


 * Michael Chang - Partner, Shanghai Kingston Foundry Co., Ltd. (Shanghai, China)

Technology
 * Jerry Lore - Creator, AE3 Interactive LLC Consultancy


 * Edward Chen - Creator, SC Web Services (White Plains, NY.)


 * Michael Santiago - Creator, Sedo Web Hostings

As for the deletion of the page. The copyright violating sections were present from the oldest version of the page. These should be removed from view, which can only be done through deletion. If I would only remove the section, the copyright violations would still be accessible by any user through the history of the page, which is not allowed. Sadly, this means that a page which contains serious copyright violations and independent sections cannot be partly deleted and everything has to go. Fram (talk) 10:08, 30 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Per your request, some comments on this list. It is hard for me to judge correctly, but in its correct state, this comes across as people who have started their own business, but that these are not notable companies (see WP:CORP for what is considered a notable company, and WP:BIO for notable people). Looking at a random other fraternity (or sorority or whatever these are called: we don't have these in Belgium, so the concept is not always completely clear to me :-) ) like Phi Sigma Alpha, the notable alumni look at first glance to be more notable. This is no judgment of the quality of the sorority, but if these people are not so notable, then perhaps it may be better to either omit or shorten the list. 20:04, 30 June 2008 (UTC)


 * If none of these businesses are notable enough to warrant its own article, then it may be a lot better to just remove the section and add a line or two describing how some or many alumni have gone on to start companies in China and the East of the US, inclusing restaurants, consultancy firms, ... Now, it just looks like a list of random examples where the names given convey no information at all and may be seen as some minor promotion for the companies involved. Fram (talk) 07:26, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Help editing this article
The best way to proceed might be that you request some help from the WikiProject Fraternities and Sororities. These people should have a good knowledge of what is and isn't relevant for fraternity articles, and how best to present it. This is mainly out of my area of interest and knowledge, and the people on the project will be more useful for bringing this article up to a good level. Fram (talk) 08:45, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Mission statement
If it needs to be included, the best way to do it is as a quotation. However, looking at e.g. Beta Upsilon Chi, there is no "mission statement" included (and no list of alumni either). Phi Delta Theta also has no mission statement quoted (but does have a list of alumni). Fram (talk) 07:41, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

A way to include a quote and add a reference is this: This is a quote

Note
Fram (talk) 06:54, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Social/Cultural
Per Title IX and the Infobox talk page, the correct classification for Pi Delta Psi is "Social", as it is single-gender and Baird's Manual of Fraternities does not contain a main class of "cultural". This has been extensively debated, please do not revert again. Thank you. Justinm1978 (talk) 03:31, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Pi Delta Psi History
Dear Admin, I am one of the users that contribute to the Pi Delta Psi page (username: pdp mlb). I was just wondering about how to copyright the history section of that page since that history is the general history used on the national and chapter websites. I have edit it to note northeastern university pi delta psi since it showed up as using the same text on their website. But still faced the same alert message. Please advise me in how to edit it so I can keep the original text since it was not meant to be changed since its the official national history. Thank you for your advice and editing.
 * If the only intent is to have the same text as on the official page (history, mission statement, ...), then you shouldn't create this page at all. People looking for info will then just go to the official page, and not to Wikipedia, which is an encyclopedia, not a free webhost, and which is furthermore a website where anyone can edit any page, and where you can't WP:OWN a page and prevent the history of differing from the "official" history. Please, I urge you to work together with the fraternities wikiproject and to look carefully at other fraternities articles. They don't represent the "official" history, but a neutral article, written from a third party perspective. The current article will probably be deleted soon, and user pdp.mb possibly blocked for a longer time for ignoring the reason of his previous block. Fram (talk) 04:34, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

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