User talk:Chaosdruid/Archive 4

EC
I disagree, naturally, but neither here nor my talk page is where content should be discussed. I'm interested in you detailing how you found fault with the new source and why the old source should eclipse the new one. I look forward the points you have to make when they appear on the EC talk page. The Artist AKA Mr Anonymous (talk) 01:55, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Didn't know it was so easy to do. All's well that ends well. The Artist AKA Mr Anonymous (talk) 05:19, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Minor point, the orig ref sucked: and you made an issue of that; thereby implicating the additional content the new ref allowed. The Artist AKA Mr Anonymous (talk) 06:46, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Warning
(Iaaaasi and the Stubes things again)

Please do not delete legitimate talk page comments, as you did at vandalism. Thank you. (Iaaasi (talk) 11:38, 16 February 2011 (UTC))


 * I did not delete it, I archived it as per WP:TOC after you chose not to remove it yourself. Do not go around accusing editors in good standing of vandalism, it is a sure way to get yourself in a hole with a shovel, I suggest that you stop digging immediately Chaosdruid (talk) 11:51, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't understand your motivation. I just put a note that the respective user is suspected to be a sock and that there is a current investigation against him. What is wrong about this? (Iaaasi (talk) 12:11, 16 February 2011 (UTC))


 * "CoolKoon, has agreed with Ronaldka and the addition of the material". Let's suppose Ronaldka is confirmed as a sock (hypotehical discussion). In that case it is not fair to support his edits, even if they respect the policies, because he will make account after account knowing that his edits will be accepted. (Iaaasi (talk) 12:45, 16 February 2011 (UTC))

Your note at SS Edmund Fitzgerald talk page
Thanks for the response and the offer. Wondering if you had any luck or a chance to check. Thanks again.

Sincerely North8000 (talk) 22:44, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of Kutch Gurjar Kashtriya contributions to Indian railways for deletion
The article Kutch Gurjar Kashtriya contributions to Indian railways is being discussed concerning whether it is suitable for inclusion as an article according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Kutch Gurjar Kashtriya contributions to Indian railways until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. Travelbird (talk) 07:22, 16 January 2011 (UTC)


 * You have moved the section of KGK community cotributions in Railways to a new page and now that has been nominated for deletion.
 * Please reply to deletion notice or move back the contents back to original page. In trying to copy edit the page, you are messing up the good article created by many year's of effort. You are definitely not an expert on the article or community about which the page is. It is now your job to contest the deletion or move back the contents to original page.Jethwarp (talk) 09:38, 16 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your prompt reply. Do not take it personal. I am not questioning your sincereity. I was concerened as the page was originally created by me. I definately help you in copy editing the materials. But right now I am pre-occupied with some other work.

However, please note that the contributions in Railway, whole section is taken from the Book : Nanji Bapa ni Nondh-pothi, which was published in 1999 from Baroda. This Book was given award by Kutch Shakti at Mumbai in 2000. The other books from which mainly Railway contribtions are taken are : Kutch Tari Asmita & Ratna Bhagat ni Chopdi. Names of all these Books, you will find in Reference section of original page. Further, I would request you to add back the names of Railways companies for which they have worked, whole para has been deleted by you. May be becasue there were many red links. I was doing a research and was going to create the pages of Railway Companies, names of which, now everyone has forgotton. Thanks. Jethwarp (talk) 09:58, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

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Cats in Kutch Gurjar Kashtriya contributions to Indian railways‎
Greetings, of the cats I removed:
 * Category:India: way, way, way too broad.  Only a mere handful of extremely general categories belong in a country's top cat
 * Category:Rail infrastructure in India: the "History of rail transport in India" would imply infrastructure as well, so this is redundant
 * Category:Railway lines in India: the KGK are not a "rail line"; this cat is properly for rail lines themselves, not topics happening to touch upon the issue.
 * Category:Railway bridges in India, Category:Railway stations in India: as above, the KGK is not a bridge, not a station
 * Category:Social movements in India: not a movement, it is a working community, so I could see Category:Social groups of India, or other cats covering ethnic/labour groups.  A "social movement" would be something like "The All-India KGK Advancement Society", which this article is not.

I totally agree that the most specific cats should be applied, but only when they immediately apply to the article. I do note someone removed the cat "Gurjar", which, by the name of the group, would seem to be applicable. MatthewVanitas (talk) 05:33, 22 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Consider it this way, follow the link and note that Category:Railway bridges in India is a listing of, not surprisingly, actual bridges of railways in India. It is not used to categorise types of steel which are used in Indian bridges, interesting sights which may be seen from said briges, crimes which occurred on said bridges, etc.  It is a category for bridges themselves.  The KGK are not a bridge, therefore they do not belong in the category.  They are a professional/social group in India, they are a Gurjar subset, and they are part of Indian railway history, so those cats are applicable. MatthewVanitas (talk) 06:26, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Question
Hello! I've noticed that you used your review rights to reject my edit:. You restored IP 84.2.98.93's version that contains obvious vandalism (unexplained deletion of an image & referenced text) and personal attacks against me. Can you please give me a valid reason for this action? (Iaaasi (talk) 14:29, 23 January 2011 (UTC))


 * Yes - I am trying to find references for the topic now and will be returning to the article in a short while to try and restore some sense into the issue.
 * If you read my comments on the talk page, and my edit comments, you can see that I am saying that referring to him as Romanian, or talking Romanian for that matter, is not possible as Romania did not exist prior to 1859. Chaosdruid (talk) 14:34, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
 * You did not answer my question(Iaaasi (talk) 14:36, 23 January 2011 (UTC))
 * I did not restore the edit as the viewable version was as per the version of 89.2.98.93.
 * You have continually edited the article to put in the "Romanian" claim to the detriment of the "Hungarian" claim. It is my view that this is an edit war over a long period of time and reflects the ongoing nationalistic fighting over whether Hunyadi was "Romanian" or "Hungarian". At the end of the day it seems to me that he was both. When he was born the area was a Hungarian state, making him a Hungarian, and it is likely that the Român peoples inhabited the area - even though there is no written evidence for this, making him of the Roumain people. This is especially true if he was indeed of a Hungarian father and Român mother.
 * Chaosdruid (talk) 15:44, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

re: your message
Hi Chaosdruid, I've left a reply to your message on my talk page -- Marek. 69  talk  15:47, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Number of big articles
The number of 5000-K articles you copy edited for the drive is incorrect. For extra-large articles, you get credit for one 5000-K article for each 5000k of content. In other words, the epic Kutch Gurjar Kashtriya is worth six 5000-K articles. You therefore have 16 5000-K Articles, and win the Gold Leader Board Award! Congratulations! -- Diannaa (Talk) 01:15, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Wikiproject Essex
Hi, I noticed that you are based in Norfolk. I am taking this opportunity to invite you to join WikiProject Essex. We need your support at: WikiProject Council/Proposals/Essex. As a fellow member of wikiproject UK geography, please support us whilst we try to make a group. Thanks, Thomas888b(Say Hi) 19:31, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Status bar
That status bar is cool. How'd you get that?--The Master of Mayhem (talk) 21:03, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Yes, at the top. I saw it on the top of your 'page as well.--The Master of Mayhem (talk) 21:09, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, but would you mind giving me a hand with the status bar? You're in charge, 'cos I made a pig's ear of it. I hope that's fine with you.--The Master of Mayhem (talk) 22:06, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

OK, that's fine.--The Master of Mayhem (talk) 22:31, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Are you on about the "Status:Online" thing or whatever it says. That's what I'm looking for.--The Master of Mayhem (talk) 23:01, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Eh?
What happened here ? --Closedmouth (talk) 08:40, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Status bar
It's nearly done. How do I change "Unknown" into "Online"? It's bugging me. And as for the tabs... --The Master of Mayhem (talk) 09:12, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

I added a bit to the second code, and it was a success. Thank you.--The Master of Mayhem (talk) 09:19, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

GOCE January Backlog elimination drive conclusion
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RE/ Need to move my barnstars to a separate page at this rate
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Misunderstanding
Chaosdruid:

I think there's been a misunderstanding. I took special care to preserve your edits, since they were all prescient. The previous editor, however, had deleted far too much, and too suddenly (rather than in increments). His intention was obviously good, but it was too much to do without consensus, or even a simple suggestion. I merely restored deleted material which was already there.

Let me emphasize that I surgically re-inserted your edits while preparing mine, and that many of his were kept as well. Because what I restored had been there for over a year (at least), and because readers were probably accustomed to that approximate layout, we should perhaps put the article back to that last version of mine (with your edits), and I would strongly support you in any further typo and redlink fixes you'd make. I'd probabably be amenable to deleting some of the more flowery language, as well, but ask only that you ask me, if you'd like to delete entire paragraphs or sections.

Let me know what you think.

All the best, Sherlock4000 (talk) 21:00, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Argentina
Chaosdruid, as I've written in the talk page of Argentina, I'm at pains to explain that no part of the article was wiped out, deleted, nuked, or otherwise. I believe it's only logical to continue the expansion of, say, the culture section in the Culture of Argentina article while reducing the section itself, to keep the main article from ballooning in size (which it did, time and time again).--LK 21:18, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Reply on Talk:Argentina Chaosdruid (talk) 21:33, 11 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Hello again.


 * Choasdruid, your edits were excellent, and I wouldn't change a thing about them. If I left one out, do please reinsert it, along with anything else that might need your fine-tuning. My qualms were only with the other editor's large excisions.


 * I restored some of these, but respected LK's cuts where the info was clearly repetitive (particularly in the Economy and Economic History sections).


 * Thanks again, Sherlock4000 (talk) 21:29, 11 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Chaosdruid:


 * I'm working on them as we speak.


 * Sherlock4000 (talk) 21:45, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey Chaos (Druid?), I think I finally restored all of your edits. Can we now please talk about cuts? I'm looking at the demography and culture section. And, I liked them better before.--LK 22:23, 11 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I beg your pardon, but I deleted nothing of yours in my last couple of edits, except for a hidden phrase in "Etymology" that LK himself labeled as implausible (I can assure you it's nonsense). I took care to change nothing of yours.


 * Look, the "economy" section is grossly repetitive, the IAPI poster irrelevant (that may belong in "Economic History of Argentina," or in an article about the agency itself), and the creator of blood transfusions and the Nobel Prize winner should be there instead of the Leloir Institute (which bears mention, but not a photo in exclusion of those others). You'll find that my version covers all the ups and downs in fewer words, and with more focus on the key turning points (my parents are Argentine, so they and their parents actually lived through many of them).


 * Thanks again for your interest. Most people here in the U.S. don't know where Argentina is, much less about its people and stories.


 * Sherlock4000 (talk) 23:21, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Chaosdruid:

You certainly know how to talk to people. You've convinced me that the article is in good hands, and I will defer to you in general. I ask only that you ank LK keep cuts to a reasonable minimum, and that you at least consider my version of the economy and its history (I'll add it to the talk page).

You mentioned Perón and Argentina's fall from grace. The damage in the country's reputation owed far less to his welcoming Nazis (a policy started shared by the U.S. in Operation Paperclip, as well as the U.S.S.R.), as it did to his nationalizing the country's cereal export business. You see, the move cost leading landowners millions, and they retaliated by both squirreling money in Uruguay (they still do), and by turning Washington and London policymakers against Argentina (shortsightedly hoping this would lead to his overthrow).

The name of the agency he created to monopolize grain exports? You guessed it...IAPI.

Considering what you mentioned, perhaps the poster was à propos after all.

Thanks again for your time and trouble.

Sherlock4000 (talk) 23:48, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

DYKCHECK
You can find out more about this tool on DYKCHECK. It's mostly used to check whether an article has been expanded five-fold in a given number of days, which is a requirement for WP:DYK eligibility. On the other hand, it can also be used as a simple word counter.-- LK 23:30, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I tried Prose Size, and the end result is very similar. But what should we do about the article? I added some calculations for the demography section as well and I'm more convinced than ever that those two section are too large, and that something should be done to fix this.--LK 23:49, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Can you use the current version of the economy section as a basis for further edits, since it's the larger of the two?--LK (talk) 00:28, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Alright, I'll refrain from editing the mainspace Argentina article until you are around. I'm confident that Sherlock will do the same.--LK (talk) 00:35, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi Druid! Just wanted to let you know that I'm back. If you have time to work on the article Argentina, I'm available.--LK (talk) 17:23, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Aldo Moro
Thanks so much... --&#39;&#39;&#39;Attilios&#39;&#39;&#39; (talk) 18:21, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think one can learn much of Italy's true history from Moro's end. Well, the opinion I got is that until 1974 there was a wave of "black" (post fascist) terrorism (one example: Piazza Fontana bombing), led mostly by Carabinieri's officers (most also of anticommunist stance) in the Italian intelligence. Then the "black" terrorists were discredited... curiously, one the "black" was overthrown by their masters (and in fact they reacted killing many Carabinieri), Mario Moretti took the lead of Red Brigades after that the previous leaders (Renato Curcio and Alberto Franceschini) had been timely arrested. Curiously, Moretti had been informed that they could be arrested, but did not warm them. Moretti also came from a right-wing family and had relationships in the "black" nobility. For me it's clear that he was infiltrated: let's look at his judicial fate. Franceschini, who had revealed many things and did not fire a single shot, got out of prison a few months before Moretti, officially sentenced to six life punishments!!! Some say that the computer firm in which he currently works is nothing but a façade used to "reward" former collaborators of Italian intelligence. Returning to Moro, for me it's also clear that after a while the BR gave him to another organization, likely the Banda della Magliana, who finally killed him as decided by DC's right and post-fascist officers of the intelligence; in exchange, instead of being arrested, BR gave the silence about Moro's revelations. To be cleared the sinister role of Senzani, a Florentine intellectual I did not mention in the article (he was perhaps the director of Moretti's questions to Moro), and, like Moretti, was perhaps another infiltrated of the intelligence. It's clear that there was a substantial convergence of wills desiring Moro's death after his capture. He perhaps condemned himself by writing that he was revealing many secrets he should not speak of, like Gladio (whose existence was publicly spoken only after the Soviet Union's dissolution, in 1991). In the end, he was a victim of militarization of BR led by Senzani and Moretti, substantially the new puppets of the strategy of tension in Italy under the Carabinieri/Propaganda Due intelligence. Once the Italy really decided to wipe out the terrorism, in the mid-1980s, they had an easy game with it. Hope I didn't confuse you more... --&#39;&#39;&#39;Attilios&#39;&#39;&#39; (talk) 19:09, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Ciao! Thank you for your nice help... So, as for the lake, I think it's very small and unimportant (I'm from Rome too but never heard of it before reading about Moro affair), thus we could leave the Lago della Duchessa name. For what concerns the involvement of Soviet secret services, surely they had some little role, but more in disinformation in increasing the supposed role of CIA in the matter. I think Moro's kidnapping was 100% triggered by Italian organizations, from the intelligence-infiltrated BR (Moretti is always pivotal), to P2 and the Italian intelligence itself. I doubt that a government with PCI would be less corrupted than its predecessors. The proof is that, once in 1990s former Communists came to government they proved incompetent and corrupted as any Christian Democratic or Socialist before them!! Ciao and good work!

Reflist
Hi, you say that the reflist is not necessary on the Argentine page but it is throwing errors to the maintenance lists. Please can you include it or take the project to your sandbox. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 15:27, 14 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi - Category:Pages_with_missing_references_list, which is a part of the Backlog Drive & so is being more frequently visited than normal. - Sitush (talk) 15:34, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Argentina Changes
Actually I simply didn't notice that you were around, you should have dropped me a message. Anyway, any step taken to reduce the article's size to a more acceptable level is extremely welcome from my point of view. Though I still think that it's the culture section the one with the most fat to cut. If Sherlock also agrees with your changes, I'd say it can be moved to mainspace immediately.--LK (talk) 19:06, 14 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi, Chaosdruid:


 * I added my proposed changes to the Economy section. I feel these would say more with fewer words, and stick to the critical turning points while still leaving in the most important recent developments (readers would be referred to Economic history of Argentina for any further curiousity they may have on the subject). I'd leave out the IAPI poster, because it is an anachronism that had a noteworthy but fleeting effect on the history (it was dissolved in 1956, and never returned). The British investment in port facilities and rail networs from 1876 to 1914, on the other hand, were a transforming experience that continues to shape the economy today. The nation's population largely spread out along the rail lines, and these and other British investments made the possible much of what drives the nation's economy to this day (particularly where its export profile is concerned).


 * I added mention of the Leloir Institute to the sci-tech section, but believe that the two historical images, plus that of the satellite (which by Argentine standards, was a milestone achievement), would recap the section's main points better.


 * Let me know if anything else occurs to you.


 * Thanks for all your effort, Sherlock4000 (talk) 21:55, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Argentina
When you're creating a separate "work page" to keep proposed changes to an article out of the way, you should actually do that in a sandbox page rather than in articlespace. So I just wanted to let you know that I've moved your page to User:Chaosdruid/Argentina/Changes instead; it needs to remain in your own userspace until you're ready to copy and paste the finished text back into the real article. Thanks. Bearcat (talk) 23:56, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm updating the links right now; I prefer to do things like that in AWB rather than manually, so that I don't miss any. Formally, our standing practice is that only pages which are actually meant to function as real articles should be in articlespace, while temporary pages and draft updates and other such work should be kept in projectspace — but you're right, I'm not sure if any of our written policies actually communicate that as clearly as they should. Bearcat (talk) 00:44, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Northern Cyprus and "intervention/invasion"
Thanks for the comments. On the intervention/invasion issue, I don't have any opinion one way or the other (I even don't remember if I did at one time). Basically, I'll let others haggle this one out. Cheers. --Taivo (talk) 05:54, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Argentina - culture
Hi Chaosdruid, I did some work on the culture section of Argentina and I think I managed to reduce it to an acceptable length without removing anything important. You can see the results here, please let me know what you think of it.--LK (talk) 13:47, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, I'm moving the section to mainspace then.--LK (talk) 21:18, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

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Thanks!
Thanks for copy-editing the article. I appreciate it. ;) HorrorFan121 (talk) 20:06, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

BlessedThistle (talk) 23:28, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Belitung shipwreck
The DYK project (nominate) 18:05, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Sharpe characters
Well To be fair, they are not going to be deleted. Merge to list is the popular vote, ignoring the requirements of an article... where they will sit unreferenced for eternity. I actually have no idea how to do a mass AFD at present, perhaps you could do that as a favour? RAIN*the*ONE  BAM 16:36, 24 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I'd never heard of them before, I'll be honest. It was because another user created a new article with no sources, he does it all the time for non notable characters and goes off in a right huff when I merge it back. I ended up making the sourced article myself to please him (ten sources after hours of scouting). So i presume these are the same. But a quick look on google shows for atleast two, there isn't that much anymore in reliable third party sources. I figured they are fans too. It just needs editors that are not fans of the show to assess them. BTW I too have only done single AFD .. oh dear. :) There's been mass AFD's before, then they can't create them until it they have sourced content, it's actually worked for some projects on WP hasn't it. So I wish I could do that. RAIN*the*ONE  BAM 16:55, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

RE: Copyedit
Thanks alot for telling me this, I have to articles which are waiting for a copyedit (but I haven't posted them seeing that I don't want to "strangle" the GCE!) Anyhow, thanks for letting me know; I might take you up on that pestering part! ;p --TIAYN (talk) 22:50, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Singapore-related articles
 Greetings! I edit (and find and provide photos) for the biographies of musicians, almost exclusively. However, in my searches on photographer's websites, occasionally something will just stand out, and I gain permissions for those photos as well, asking the photographers to give up their copyright, in exchange for a Creative Commons license. William Cho's work is so exceptional that I secured permission from him for a variety of photos, including the bridge above, and several others- which-- I think all were uploaded to Commons in a Category : Buildings in Singapore. He's a great person, and I really think you should contact him.. I have his email address. If he has more photos for the articles you mentioned, I'm sure he'll be happy to provide them. I myself recognize great photography but have limited myself mostly, to the 900 photos or so I uploaded and placed on the biography articles- mainly in en.Wikipedia but some other language versions too. Let me know if I can be of help. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 05:46, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Re: Legal threats
Hi, thanks a lot. Can you explain further the procedure regarding legal threats. I haven't added any incorrect information on the page. Most of the things that are on the article right now were already there when I started editing it. I just tried to remove the unencyclopedic and unsourced material per WP:BLP. That person who is claiming to be Aryan Vaid is using random IP addresses. I think a semi-protection of the page will be helpful. Regards ---   Managerarc    talk  09:33, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

South America needs you. Again.
Hi Chaosdruid, the article about Uruguay has seen a large number of edits over the last couple of days (I happen to be responsible for most of them), virtually no section was left untouched. I don't see this article becoming a FA any time soon, but I'm mostly satisfied with the current revision, though so far the only comments have been from an anonymous user who finds the lexical similarity between Uruguay and "urgay" hilarious enough to justify the blanking of the article (I don't blame him, I blame this guy here). In any case, after this drastic alteration the article could use the attention of an experienced copy editor for a very quick, very informal review. Can you think of one? ;)--LK (talk) 22:52, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
 * If you mean the parts copy-pasted from the Library of Congress and the US Department of Labour they should be acceptable, since US government works are in public domain.--LK (talk) 22:43, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
 * That would require checking this UNESCO CD published 10 years ago just to ascertain whether the people at the Dept. of Labour got lazy and copypasted their work on the government website. Even if we really were to do that, and found a copyvio, I think that would hardly invalidate all your work so far. The other two sources you reported on the talk page as possible copyvios (from the Congressional Research Service and the U.S. Library of Congress) are unambiguously in public domain. Besides, even if they weren't, is the similarity between the original and the wiki article strong enough to violate their copyright?--LK (talk) 23:26, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
 * There was no luck involved, if you check the references you will see that half of them are from the US Department of This&That or the LOC. Anyway, since you're done with the copyediting, do you have any preference for a particular barnstar? I was thinking the Uruguayan National Barnstar, from the name it sounds appropriate.--LK (talk) 23:43, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Loretta
I've always known my Grammar is less than perfect, but I try my best (Which is usually not too good). The part about Holly can be removed. She was with this guy who nearly killed his child, Holly went missing for weeks and they did a big missing person SL. Jake was a suspect, if Loretta's child killer thing had gone ahead, she would have been in the frame too. So I guess it isn't relevant. RAIN*the*ONE  BAM 20:58, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Here it is then
Sadly I couldn't find any barnstar fitting your description, you'll have to settle for this.
 * I can read Spanish/Portuguese to some extent, though no better than I can English. From reading that document you linked me, I understand that it is about the creation of a writing system for the Ngobe-Buglé of Panama, while the Kogi are from Colombia. What am I missing?--LK (talk) 09:39, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I'd be happy to help you CD (and I mean it), it's just that I can't understand what is it that you're looking for in that document. I didn't find any mention of either Kogi or Kogui in the document you linked me, or even in the website of the university of Siena. The document is in Spanish, and is about a writing system for the Buglere language spoken in Panama. No word about the Kogi anywhere.--LK (talk) 17:33, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Within that document, "Kogi" and "Kogui" are used interchangeably, but they are always invariable in number ("con 6.926 kogi"; "1.662 kogui"). The names of the tribe are reported as ""Kogi, kággaba, köggaba", the self-appellations as "kogi" (jaguar); "kaggaba (for the ethnic group); kogian (for the language, though the usage is inconsistent, there are several mention of a "lengua kogui"). In other words, there doesn't appear to be a strict difference between "kogi" and "kogui". The few English language sources within the document seem to prefer the "kogi" spelling, but they're not numerous enough to draw a significant conclusion. I hope this helps. Let me know if there's something else I can do!--LK (talk) 18:13, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Appreciate you
Thanks for the moral support! --Nconwaymicelli (talk) 5:35, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Great job and thank you!
Hey Chaosdruid!

I saw you've been continuing the work on the home page even before I was able to get to it (especially with all those nice tabs) I wanted to thank you! They look great and I think we're going to end up with a lot more organized set up which is important now that we've cluttered up that talk page with reams of text :) I'm thinking we may want to throw tabs on the talk page as well (or a menu?) since so many people are checking back there now for easy navigation. I'm going to think if I can come up with anything else but don't wait for me! keep being bold! Jalexander--WMF 22:11, 28 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Wow! Great Job. Easy to use even for a techno-boob (like me). Thanks for smoothing out the path into the Wiki Guide forest. Suggestion:What if each Guide had a tab???Buster Seven   Talk  23:13, 28 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Each guide can only have 9 daughter tabs, so depending on how many guides there were was the iussue
 * We could do it A-Z or you may be better off collecting individual peoples pages and transcluding them onto secret pages for example (if confidentiality is required)
 * So if you edit the section I put my yellow bar in, you can put those few lines of code anywhere on en-wiki and it will update in real time, well at least with a page refresh it will.
 * Are you guys on IRQ, I am just got stuck trying to help with a pic copyright issue when trying to see if anyone was on there lol Chaosdruid (talk) 23:30, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I am agnostic on whether the guides should have tabs - I tend to think no, because I'm worried about the scalability of it. A master page with links to userspace pages that each guide hosts, perhaps... but if this trial works out, we'll probably look into some technology to support it a little better.  Philippe Beaudette, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 05:03, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Wow, thanks for the sample... that's really cool! I've sent it to Jalexander to see what he thinks.  Philippe Beaudette, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 05:35, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Guides page
I actually reworded it because it was sort of a grammar confusion - a couple people mentioned that they weren't sure whether it was meant to be singular possessive or plural, so I reworded it to just skip the issue altogether. :) Feel free to revert me, I'm not emotionally wrapped up in it.  Philippe Beaudette, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 04:04, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

WikiGuides Page
Thanks for doing great work getting the project pages organized. I guess we'll have to see how this evolves before we know what works and doesn't. We'll have to get the admins on the project to watch that new page. Best, The Interior  (Talk) 05:49, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Checking my actions
Can an admin please tell me where this should go, or deal with the request directly? Thanks

Hi

I need an admin, or experienced user, to review. I am trying to keep the page and talk page NPOV and need to know if I was correct in my actions.

The page John_Hunyadi and the section dealing with the disputes are Talk:John_Hunyadi and where I made my declaration of NPOV Talk:John_Hunyadi (near the end of the section).

In particular the 2RR statement as well as wanting to make sure I have not acted incorrectly in reverting.

Chaosdruid (talk) 22:13, 1 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Hey, ChaosDruid - I'm not an admin and I don't play one on TV, but I don't see that you did anything wrong in this situation. All the participants seem to be willing to work together to improve the article. I'm going to go back now and read through all the edits and comments again to see if I missed anything. Hope this helps, Shearonink (talk) 00:41, 2 March 2011 (UTC)