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Swastika edit revert
Hello, you recently reverted an edit I made to the short description of the Swastika article. You didn't provide a reason for reverting, which is considered poor form on Wikipedia. Would you care to tell me why you did so? Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 04:48, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

I reverted the edit due to the fact that the swastika was also used as a religious symbol in Europe, not just in the East. To be fair you did not provide a edit summary either. Chariotrider555 (talk) 14:14, 10 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Providing an edit summary is not the same as providing a reason to revert someone's edit. I'm under the impression that the Swastika is of Eastern origins, so in the interests of keeping the s/d short, I think that's all that should be mentioned, not every part of the world where it has been used symbolically. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 14:30, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

Well even in the lead section, it is described as a Eurasian symbol, as it was very popular in pre-Christian Europe. Chariotrider555 (talk) 14:41, 10 October 2020 (UTC)


 * There, how's that as a compromise? Swastika. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 16:03, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

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October 2020
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Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. You appear to be repeatedly reverting or undoing other editors' contributions. Although this may seem necessary to protect your preferred version of a page, on Wikipedia this is known as "edit warring" and is usually seen as obstructing the normal editing process, as it often creates animosity between editors. Instead of reverting, please discuss the situation with the editor(s) involved and try to reach a consensus on the talk page.

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That was not me who was editing when logged out. I only reverted the fire star heats’s revert my edit once, but it appears someone else reverted it afterwards. I know what my IP address is and I did not edit the Hindu mythological wars article while logged out. Chariotrider555 (talk) 14:28, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Genetics
We do not add genetics in caste/community articles of India/South Asia as per consensus at WP:INB. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:28, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Indo-Aryan migration
You're right diff; I misread. Thanks! Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk!  14:07, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Subh Diwali
.🪔 HappyDeepawali🪔 May this festival bring peace and blessings to you and your family •  .💠 245CMR💠 . •👥📜 10:13, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

November 2020
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Thank you. Firestar464 (talk) 06:37, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Plz don't add ancestry claim on various article
The content specifically don't talks about the specific clan of Rajputs but applies to Rajputs as a whole. so plz don't add that in various article. It seems WP:UNDUEHeba Aisha (talk) 18:05, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Hmm, seems fair.Chariotrider555 (talk) 18:06, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Actually these content have a history and I was the one along with who added and retained these ancestry thing on Rajput article. You can read talk page. There was disturbance from a particular user called Sajaypal007 who wanted to remove it anyhow. But it is not needed in all articles. Heba Aisha (talk) 18:12, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Why are you adding baseless opinion with no historical facts in the community page of Rajputs, just to vandalize the page Rana of Bharat (talk) 15:39, 19 November 2020 (UTC)


 * These do not qualify as baseless opinions. They are historical facts supported by credible, verifiable sources that give valuable information on the claimed ancestry of Rajput groups. Chariotrider555 (talk) 15:45, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

How are they credible historical facts that give valuable information on the ancestry of Rajputs? How is somebody writing article with no idea about Rajput clan system in 1980s, 2010s becomes historical facts. Sir, with due respect you need to leave your casteist lenses. You allow baseless nonsense only about a particular community on Wikipedia Rana of Bharat (talk) 15:49, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

A systematic vandalism of Rajput page at the behest of certain non-rajput group is being allowed by you people. Why? You don't allow the similar articles on other community page. But allow any bs of 2010 against Rajputs. Why? Are you being a part of a poliagenda Rana of Bharat (talk) 15:51, 19 November 2020

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I saw your edit to Page Pathani. Clan origins in Uttarakhand are mentioned in traditional ballads called panwadas/jagaris which affirm the mulpurush - original person, aspad - place of descent. These jagaris are the basis of ancestory claims please keep this in mind before indulging in uninformed editing.
 * It seems one of the vandal I dealt with in past have rejoined wiki to nominate my article Bihar under Lalu Prasad Yadav for delition. The account joined wiki just few hours ago, and given the technical route to deal with nomination, I am seeing many editors questioning the article on grounds which actually donot exists. Do you have any idea about the vandal and also can you tell how the article could be improved to retain it from delition.Heba Aisha (talk) 16:54, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
 * It doesn't look like any sock that I know of, but I'll check out the article nominated for deletion. Chariotrider555 (talk) 13:42, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

DS Alert
Aman Kumar Goel (Talk) 00:33, 22 November 2020 (UTC)


 * what's the reason for this alert? Joshua Jonathan  - Let's talk!  21:01, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Varuni
Hello! Thanks for your contributions. I agree with your removal of reference from the article Varuni. But please consider removing the ref, not the entire content. .💠 245CMR💠 . •👥📜 06:50, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

You can either search another ref by yourself or just inform me. .💠 245CMR💠 . •👥📜 07:03, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

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OnlyTruthShallPrevail (talk) 20:48, 25 November 2020 (UTC) OnlyTruthShallPrevail Please help improve Jadeja article by adding proper citation.

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Collaboration proposal
Hello! It's a relief that you are back. If you have checked my contributions, then you must be knowing that I am MAHABHARATA lover. I try to develop articles related to it and most of them are atleast readable. But on the other hand, articles related to Ramayana are in VERY POOR CONDITION and needs development.

Let's work together If you are ready, then please reply. Our first target should be Dasharatha.

Regards, .💠 245CMR💠 . •👥📜 07:40, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Congrats...dude for ur return.....don't engage in edit wars again. There are other ways to make urself heard. Agreed with, not only Ramayana but indian mythology related articles are in poor state overall.Heba Aisha (talk) 19:58, 28 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Yes, I saw your message on the Wikiproject Hinduism talk page that Ramayana articles need fixing, but I don't think anyone reads that. Ramayana articles definitely need working on. They need many more reliable sources as they currently are just a mishmash of original research. They need to be clearly organized with lots of reliable sources. 22:56, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

For now Dasharatha, Kaushalya, etc. are in very poor state. We should first make it readable. And pls don't forget to use { { p i n g } }, so that notification is received .💠 245CMR💠 . •👥📜 08:19, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

I see you've been blasted by vandals on Wikipedia.

 * Thanks! Wikipedia has a bit of a problem with caste promoters, who will delete anything that goes against their preconceived notions of their caste's history/origin.01:22, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

plz sign ur comments properly.Heba Aisha (talk) 04:32, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Tomaras
Added about Tomara Rajput indentity from High quality sources of Romila Thapar Satish Chandra and Chaurasia Dont remove and ads controversial Versions and Best stop posting Talk messsage on A Film Article u are giving opportunity to U like Ravi Mavi who are Promoting their own Caste and stealing other past let the movie article stay as it is. Samboy 01681 (talk) 02:09, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Please use the talk page to establish a consensus instead of adding content directly into the article when there is a content dispute.Chariotrider555 (talk) 02:13, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Its impossibke to add Definate part about History Diff historians have diff point of View But Your Claim that Rajput dont exist before 16th century is nonsense to hell. Samboy 01681 (talk) 02:20, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Also in my advice remove caste status entirely from Such page or Atleast dont use Caste status on Movie Articles. Also Its highly unlikely To trust one source I add about Rajput era page from Chaurasia book too now dont remove that content. Samboy 01681 (talk) 02:22, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

I add plenty of Source on Talk Page too.Samboy 01681 (talk) 03:02, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Neutral View
Also Even Way of adding anachronism is Wrong U should add They were classified As Rajput Clans in later period although Rajput identity probably dont exist during their time. This is far neutral and less POV Pushing adding they Originate in 16th century is Controversial,Also dont add Caste Issues on Bollywood Film Articles. Samboy 01681 (talk) 03:22, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Sorry If I am Rude
Sorry If I am Rude Mate but fact is Creating Caste Wars on Bollywood Movies article is really Not Right Also There is nothing Wrong in Presenting Prithviraj as Rajput I quote Many sources in Tomara talk Page Also its my right To Clean my own Talk Page And I am within my rights To remove those messages which i dont like from my Talk page. Better we shouldnt add meaningless Wars on Movie Articles and No one will reply either apart From those who Only Wrote to Say Rajput have no Past Now I know U guys are Targeting Me and i will be blocked Cheers.Samboy 01681 (talk) 06:28, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Jarasandha
Rawani rajputs are the real descendants of jarasandha there are many proofs which proves that the rawank rajput are the descendants of jarasandh like rajput vansvali, kshtriya vansharno, and aslo a letter of 1912 which is given by britihsh government and this is clearly mentioned in that rawani aur the descendants of jarasandha a rajput king of magadh.... भँवर युवराज सिंह पुरुवंशी (talk) 13:17, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

help
Dear a person blocked me permanently. can you do some help. pls check (origin of gurjar pratihar). then, you will realised that there was nothing like to block permanently. I may be rude but didn't abused or said anything wrong to anybody. I can't used this account as it is not mine just took a help one of my friend just to contact you.

thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by YtiVya (talk • contribs) 16:15, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Kurmi
Thanks for reverting this. That is an old vandal. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:24, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

Stop edit war
Requesting you again not to vandalize jadeja page. Please add direct references on the talk page pertaining to Jadeja Dynasty. Do you have any personal grudge against this community? Wikipedia is not a place to settle such scores, that too without direct references. You have been blocked before for engaging in edit war, hence requesting you to discuss your proposed edits on talk page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by OnlyTruthShallPrevail (talk • contribs) 05:53, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Yeah man this dude is vandalizing things without even knowing the Godamn stuff Weeabo-kun2198 (talk) 19:35, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

One more request to avoid edit war vandalism on Jadeja article
Again requesting you to back your statements with reference on Talk. We are trying to build consensus on the article and you have repeatedly brought in baseless statements without any direct reference. When we provide direct reference contradicting to tour statements, you say those references are not reliable and make another baseless statement. This fits into Vandalism on Wikipedia category, and you are requested to stop it. If you continue it, you will be reported and likely be blocked from editing any article on Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by OnlyTruthShallPrevail (talk • contribs) 19:01, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Please discuss it on the talk page rather than threatening me here. I have provided numerous references stating the idea that Jadejas descent from Krishna and the Chandravanshi is complete fabrications. If you cannot provide a modern, academically published, secondary source to back up your claims, it does not belong on wikipedia. My actions do not qualify as vandalism, as I have continued to provide references for my statements, and I want to make sure any claims you bring to the table are supported by reliable sources. Chariotrider555 (talk) 19:07, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Rajput Identity
So, if we go by Talbot (2015), Rawal Jaisal should also be removed from the list but you did not remove him. Please explain. Abhishek0831996 (talk) 04:37, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Lol I actually was in the process of removing him the other day but I left to do some other work and forgot. I was gonna go through the entire list and confirm with other sources that they were indeed Rajputs, but some more important work came up. Thanks for reminding me! Chariotrider555 (talk) 04:39, 12 December 2020 (UTC)


 * This is just a list of famous Rajputs and Tablot didn't say Prithviraj wasnt a Rajput. She said he has been described as Rajput in a bit later text. Also why to remove a figure who has been said Rajput by Satish Chandra, Jadunath Sarkar and many others? I am giving u a link to Kaushik Roy page which mention Prithviraj as a Rajput.


 * Roy, Kaushik (2020-11-04). Military Thought of Asia: From the Bronze Age to the Information Age. Routledge. ISBN 978-1-000-21079-8. You will find that it is a secondary source anyway. By same token The term India Rajasthan Elephant all came in existence in later times. Abhishek0831996 (talk) 06:28, 12 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Here is the link https://books.google.co.in/books?redir_esc=y&id=XG76DwAAQBAJ&q=Rajput#v=snippet&q=Rajput&f=false Abhishek0831996 (talk) 06:30, 12 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Chariotrider, I agree with Abhishek. There are good sources which confirms Rajput identity. Also, Satish chandra is considered one of the best source as he is neither a socialist historian nor a nationalist historian.I think the page is perfect right now. Heba Aisha (talk) 09:31, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
 * While I agree that they do qualify as WP:RS, then there is an inconsistency between the pages on whether Pritviraj Chauhan was a Rajput or not. On Prithviraj Chauhan, it says he is not a Rajput, whereas on List of Rajputs, he is mentioned. If Talbot (2015) is saying that the Chahamanas (which Prithviraj belonged to) didn't identify as Rajputs, and that the Rajput classification was of later doing, how can it be included on a list of Rajputs. Different reliable sources differ on whether Prithviraj was a Rajput or not. There needs to be a consensus among these pages on whether all these Ghurid invasion era dynasties were Rajputs or not. Chariotrider555 (talk) 20:23, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Regarding blanking
Hello, I m bit concerned about latest edits of yours in which you are removing huge content from minor caste articles. I know intentions are good as People of India (state series) is not considered reliable for controversial matters. But these articles were visited by senior editors who also know the aforementioned fact and they didn't try to remove that source and content as these castes have very little choice. Some of them could also be notable ex:Thathera ,so its not possible to nominate all for delition. So, by the time I want an assurance from you to discuss with me before blanking such articles as I could see good content being removed in some of them. Lest, I have no doubt on ur competency. I have nominated two of the articles which you edited for delition, you may keep ur views there and have undone some of ur edits. Plz notify me through ping on their talk pages for content related matters. I m in the process of improving many caste articles. Heba Aisha (talk) 00:13, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Ok, I just doubt the authenticity of content supported by the People of India series, gazetteers, and censuses. Minor castes don't have as much high quality sources about them (at least that I can find), and we don't know which content of the People of India series and other low quality sources is just straight up concoctions and what is actually true. Leaving next to citations may be a good strategy, but I fear they might be left there for eternity as barely anyone edits some of these pages. Small, minor articles everywhere suffer from this problem I guess; not every article can be supported by top tier sources. Chariotrider555 (talk) 00:28, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
 * No, I will try to expand them (of course with ur help) see my version of Nishad, Mallah and Teli also Paswan. These all were stub.But I expanded them.Heba Aisha (talk) 03:58, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, at least those castes had a decent chunk modern reliable sources that could be cited. Some minor castes like Thathera, Sodari, Kirar, Teli have few modern, reliable sources to back up any claims that the unreliable sources proclaim. Most of the stuff on those pages is nonsense and likely nonsense supported by those known unreliable sources. I say if a modern reliable source doesn't confirm what those unreliable sources claim, they we call BS and have it removed. Some of these articles could qualify for WP:PERMASTUB, given how much content reliable sources have on it. Who knows how much bs was just made up when creating those unreliable sources. I would rather have a reliably sourced permastub than an unreliably sourced mid-size article. At least we would know that this is a minor caste and not have undue weight given to it. Could you explain how you would POV reduce an unreliably sourced claim? Chariotrider555 (talk) 23:20, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Most of the claims are mentioned as folklores in modern sources.example: social historian Badri Narayan's 3 books fascinating Hindutva, women heroes Dalit assertion and one another have lot of such claims which could be used as reliable source. For example: They have described the beliefs of Paswan community, Mallah community etc and if you want expansion of minor caste articles you can find stuff related to them in those books. In fact claims surrounding a caste forms a significant portion of every caste articles. We should just care that these claims should be presented as claims only backed by sources.Heba Aisha (talk) 00:16, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I have nominated Surwar which you expanded for delition as I think there is nothing worth telling about the topic except Rajputization, which is present in number of other articles. The actual content is just one sentence. You may also put ur view on delition page.Heba Aisha (talk) 02:29, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Notice of General Sanctions
P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 17:21, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

I provided info in my talk page have you checked it yet? Now restore my Edits since you removed them without knowing the thing
I provided info in my talk page have you checked it yet? Now restore my Edits since you removed them without knowing the thing Weeabo-kun2198 (talk) 19:33, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you, User:245CMR! Chariotrider555 (talk) 19:29, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Happy New Year
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Merry Christmas
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AIV vs ANI
Hi, WP:AIV is for obvious vandalism only; if a report is removed, this is a strong sign that there was no obvious vandalism. To report disruptive editing that isn't obvious vandalism, WP:ANI is a more suitable noticeboard because it allows discussion and requires you to invite the reported editor to the discussion. Best regards ~ ToBeFree (talk) 02:53, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for the heads up. Chariotrider555 (talk) 06:12, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Mahar Untouchability
Mahar Untouchability

There is a discussion left on Mahar talk page please reply there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sid.ghodeswars (talk • contribs) 05:25, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

ANI report
Hi, I have notified User:Ashish Saikia of the discussion at ANI. Cheers.  Aloha27  talk  02:43, 17 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Oh sorry my bad, I had typed out the message on their talk page but I forgot to publish. Thanks! Chariotrider555 (talk) 03:06, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Rajput Dynasties Page
Hi Chariot rider, I saw that you reverted my edits on Rajput dynasties page, I had already mentioned in the edit that I am providing sources in the next edit, still you did not wait for me to add references and deleted my edit, I have already included both the view points as a conflict resolution by ravensfire, and added sources of esteemed historians like CV Vaidya, GH Ojha & Yogendra Mishra who lived and worked in India, unlike foreign authors who based their hypothesis without even visiting the contemporary sources, In historical discussions contemporary sources are valued much more than secondary sources, never mind I have added the references. Bhojpal1234 (talk) 18:51, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Mahar Revert
I reverted your edit on Mahar. I went through the source and I did not find anything unusual. In the source it is mentioned that Mahar were treated as untouchables because of their duty of disposing off dead cattle but they did hold high status. I also read in other sources that mostly Mahar did not do pollutiing work and they occasionally did disposing of dead animals work. I don't understand your edit summary you are saying "caste promotion" what is "caste promotion" here ???? Do you mind elaborating it ???.Anyway if you want to discuss it further you are welcome on talk page on Mahar thank you Prem Mathurr (talk) 20:10, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

User:Chariotrider555 Hi I saw your edit summary on Mahar page. I request you explain your edit summary on talk page so that we can decide wheather to keep the information or not ? Mohmmud Khan (talk) 04:30, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

January 2021
Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Tomara dynasty, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear to be constructive and has been reverted. If you only meant to make a test edit, please use your sandbox for that. Thank you. only my last edit was to add word "rajput" you could have reverted it alone but Don't remove entire constructive well reliablely Referenced section about their origin Pseudo Nihilist (talk) 15:18, 26 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Psuedo Nihilist, I gave an adequate edit summary. Look at the talk page if you want to see the discussion if the Tomaras were Rajput or not. Basically, the title of Rajput to the Tomaras and other early dynasties was an anachronistic designation that was done by bardic legends around the 16th century, in order to boost the Rajputs' status and give them a shared history. See modern sources like Talbot (2015). Chariotrider555 (talk) 15:23, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

user:Chariotrider555 caste has been removed don't remove the entire section about their mythological origin Pseudo Nihilist (talk) 15:26, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

your revert is WP:undue the Source doesn't even mentions BHATIS you have been warned by heba Aisha several times for this please learn Pseudo Nihilist (talk) 15:33, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

As heba has been mentioned here I would like to ping her user:Heba Aisha source doesn't mentions Bhati you have reverted chatriotrider several times for this saying it's WP:UNDUE I hope you have the same opinion in this article as well. Pseudo Nihilist (talk) 15:44, 29 January 2021 (UTC)


 * It is not WP:undue, there is discussion on Heba Aisha's page about this. Secondly, Rajputization applies to all Rajput clans - so they do not need to mention any specific clan by name. It is not a theory, it has been proved by chronicles as well as known examples. Also, please see Talk:Jadeja. Only change I would suggest is that the fabrication was not always done by Brahmins. It was usually Bards and mythographers.LukeEmily (talk) 00:07, 4 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Yes, I have removed the Brahmin part, as I have also read that people of other professions did it. Chariotrider555 (talk) 00:09, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!
Wow, thanks! I often find myself mainly reverting rather than adding content (which is more rewarding)! Chariotrider555 (talk) 14:47, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

A tool?
Hi mate, I just saw you removing a particular source from different articles. Is there a tool to locate sources, please share. .💠 245CMR 💠. •👥📜 16:36, 3 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Yea there is no tool. I saw that source first on the Daksha page that was backing up what looked to me like a sketchy claim, so I looked it up and turns out is a self-published book by some engineer with no professional history or mythology credentials, and is writing a revisionist view of Indian history. I just searched up his name in Wikipedia and got rid of all his sources that back up statements. Chariotrider555 (talk) 16:38, 3 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks for sharing. .💠 245CMR 💠. •👥📜 16:43, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

A regarding to your edit on Bhandari (caste)
Can you define whom do you consider Kshatriyas? Why can't toddy-tappers be a Kshatriyas? Have you gone through their entire lineage and history? Have you ever visited any local Bhandari community or their community gathering clubs where tons of historical evidences are present in Marathi language claiming Kshatriyas status? Just because they are not available publicly on the internet you cannot change the history by refering one book. For your information toddy-tapping is their recent business (might have started in last 500 to 600 years) and currently almost no one into that business. Not all Bhandaris were into toddy-tapping, many of them were soldiers, naval officers, they had kingdom in Bombay, restaurant owners, etc. You are misleading varnas with caste. Caste does not say anything about varna. One can be born in Shudra and become Kshatriya similarly Kshatriya can become shudra. Just do some ground work, come here in Mumbai or visit Raigad/Ratnagiri/Sindhudurga or Goa to know about local Bhandaris, don't just read books written by not so famous writers. I accept they were toddy-tapper and no objection with that. In my opinion there is no sufficient proof claiming Shudras. That is why I said let it to the OBC as it has got government sources. Lastly the ref to book you have mentioned does not claim Bhandaris to be Shudras, writer just mention in parenthesis along with Marathas and Kolis. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sainath468 (talk • contribs) 05:15, 4 February 2021 (UTC)


 * In case you were unaware, Wikipedia is based on reliable, published sources. If you want to do your own research, get it published in a journal. It does not matter what personal opinion you have or what research you have done, Wikipedia only relies on reliable sources. Chariotrider555 (talk) 05:29, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Instead of sending me the notice about I'll get sanctions, you could have addressed to my questions. I was expecting the fair answers from you not notices. I know you do not have them. FYI, I am not doing any personal attack on you but at least just answer this question - "Lastly the ref to book you have mentioned does not claim Bhandaris to be Shudras, writer just mention in parenthesis along with Marathas and Kolis"? In what way you consider one liner from that book as a reference? Please take it sportingly. If you want to have debate I am open for that as well. Let me know if we can take this to offline where we can discuss more. I hope you are an Indian and better know about religious things work here in India. For religious/caste related things always believe on historical evidences not from recent journals or books. That is why people here in India do not trust Wikipedia as it just ignores history and provide refs from recent junior writers. Peace. --Sainath468 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sainath468 (talk • contribs) 06:14, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Tyagi Page Wikipedia
Hello, I am making changes to that page because that page contains false and inadequate information about the topic. Please allow me to publish. You can go through all the texts and read it once again. I made significant changes that are worth reading and informative for users. Rtr315 (talk) 15:34, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

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Kunti https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunti
You removed the edits done by me even though I mentioned the source which includes various wikipages itself. There is false information on the page which I removed the source mentioned doesn't justify the words written in article. It is no where mentioned that Madri think inferior of Kunti. Kunti envied her because she was second wife of her husband. Also Yadavs were dynasty of Yadu son of Great Yayati himself a lineage of Chandrawansi Khsatriya https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yadu_(legendary_king) and were not considered inferior in Bharatvasrsha during Mahabhart era. Kunti was as daughter of King Sursena of Sursena kingdom, which was later adopted by King Kuntibhoj of Bhoj kingdom, as princess herself Kunti choose Prince Pandu as his husband in Svayamvara "King Kuntibhoja arranges a svayamvara for his adopted daughter Kunti in the Hindu epic Mahabharata. Many kings and princes from the Aryan region attended her svayamvara. Among them was Pandu, the king of Hastinapura the king of Hastinapura. Kunti chose Pandu as her husband" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svayamvara

Please allow me to remove false information from the page. https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m01/m01113.htm

Gasg78 (talk) 14:05, 15 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is not a reliable source. Additionally, do not uncritically use texts from within a religion or faith system without referring to secondary sources that critically analyze them. Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable, published sources. Please find reliable sources to back up statements, and do not remove content based on reliable sources without proper reason or discussion. Chariotrider555 (talk) 14:52, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for educating me about not using Wikipedia as a source.But that raises credibility of refered article. My concern is sometimes words written in article are not found in sources mentioned as in this case which should be removed. The problem with religious and mythical articles is that very few online sources are found an most of them are self published as u may have noticed. Most of published work is offline which I dont know how to mention as source. Pls go through the article mentioned here and its reference you will find sharp contrast in it. Pls allow to edit with credible sources and references. Thanks again Gasg78 (talk) 16:27, 16 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Most published work can be found online, but it requires a paid subscription to access. Wikipedia offers free access to reliable sources through its Wikipedia library program, which active, experienced editors can apply for. If you went to a university, see if their libraries offer free access to published articles and books, whether in print or online. For more information, see Wikipedia's policy on reliable sources, and Wikipedia's policy on citing sources. Chariotrider555 (talk) 16:50, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

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 * Thank you for the heads up! Chariotrider555 (talk) 22:52, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

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Belated
Heba Aisha (talk) 20:15, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot!Chariotrider555 (talk) 14:32, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Bihari rajput
I gave a edit summary on that topic but somehow it wasn't showing, I deleted it because the statement that " bihari rajput were considered lower then West side rajput" is wrong and totally non-senseical. It is written on the words of kolf, who is a British itself. At the time the followed divide and rule policy. And it's clearly an example of that. KartikSingh15091998 (talk) 15:44, 19 April 2021 (UTC)


 * User:KartikSingh15091998 Dirk Kolff's book fits all the requirements of a reliable source. Dirk Kolff is a Professor Emeritus of modern history of South Asia at the Institute for Area Studies, Leiden University. His book, Naukar, Rajput, and Sepoy, was published by the Cambridge University Press in 2002. His book fits all the requirements of a reliable source in the field of history. However, we don't use sources dating to the British Raj of any kind for castes, because they are not considered reliable. Since Dirk Holff is a modern, qualified scholar in the field, his work cannot be compared to the sources on castes dating to the British Raj, which are definitely unreliable. For more information, please read WP:RS, WP:HISTRS,, . Thank you and have a nice day! By the way, Kolff is Dutch, not British.Chariotrider555 (talk) 16:11, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Yeah I looked properly and found you are correct, kolff is not referring to the whole eastern rajput community as pseudo but only some purabiya rajputs as pseudo Rajput and that is correct information. Thankyou KartikSingh15091998 (talk) 16:38, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Yaduvanshi Rajput
See the page, I think some WP:COI is there. Heba Aisha (talk) 20:18, 25 April 2021 (UTC)


 * User:Heba Aisha, yea that page looks pretty sketchy and could use some cleanup. Chariotrider555 (talk) 16:56, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I have created a page called Arjak Sangh. Someone nominated it for speedy delition under A7 and G11 I.e advertising criteria. Plz see the talk page.It's out of lack of knowledge. Heba Aisha (talk) 14:15, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Will check it out! Chariotrider555 (talk) 14:20, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Cheak it bro.
If you have written it as Chasa means farmer,agriculture are among visyas. How they can be Shudra. They have high status in odissa. In fact they are cultivating ksatriyas. Pls check it. Sekharblack123 (talk) 15:07, 4 May 2021 (UTC)


 * User:Sekharblack12, many reliable sources attest that Chasas are considered part of the Shudra varna. Shudras that are of high status often claim high varna status in a process called Sanskritization, and it is documented among many castes (Rajputs, Jats, Marathas, Patidars, Reddys, Yadavs, Kolis, etc.). Please provide reliable sources to back up any claims. Chariotrider555 (talk) 15:35, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Also you have mentioned Sarala Das. Das is not a surname of Chasa. Surnames of chasa and khandayat are same as their origin is same. That are swain, raut, rautray, Sahoo, samant, paik, behera, jena, mohanty,nayak, biswal etc. Sekharblack123 (talk) 19:07, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Note
Please see User_talk:2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 15:26, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Pls check it.
Bro. It is very disrespectful for chasa caste people to call them low caste and Shudra. Please remove those words. They are a respectfull caste in odissa. Please consider my word. You can ask any Odia people. Sekharblack123 (talk) 07:07, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Pov edits at Rajput
One of the editor is restoring glorifying images of forts which were removed by. Already a lot of discussion took place for keeping present images in the article. Can you plz see, I have explained on talk page of article. Heba Aisha (talk) 01:23, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't think any detailed discussion has ever been there on talk page over keeping or removing images of forts. I don't understand why a non-issue is being made issue. How can putting a few images of forts be seen as glorification or pov editing? What if I say I say that their removal is pov and degradation of the group? Shinjoya (talk) 05:28, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Proof that chasa are militia caste and ksatriyas with source
https://www.academia.edu/8308269/The_Peasant_Militias_of_Odisha_Khandayats#:~:text='Khandayats'%3B%20it%20was%20the,strongholds%20of%20Orissa's%20kings%20existed. Sekharblack123 (talk) 02:05, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Chasa are among the militia caste. As khandayat do agriculture the confusion arises. A national news article source https://www.epw.in/journal/2017/18/letters/bjps-appropriation-castes-odisha.html Sekharblack123 (talk) 02:09, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
 * User:Sekharblack123 I found the published version of the first source you mention . The second source is easily disregarded as news articles are not particularly good sources for most content in a caste article. Now, Khandayats as stated to claim to be of Kshatriya varna, but they are recognized by others as Shudras due to their profession as peasants. Now, multiple sources on Chasa (caste) mention the social mobility of Chasas and the fluidity between Chasas, Karanas, and Khandayats (all non-Brahmins). Pradhan is not clear on the relationship between Khandayats and Chasas, and merely says that Chasa is a common name for them. But then he says that Chasas are a specific jati within Khandayat. So which is it? He also points to a so called "puranic period", but any prominent historian will tell you that such a period is completely mythical. Pradhan also mentions outdated racial classifications of castes, which are of no value. The quality value of this article is sketchy, so you have to take every sentence with a grain of salt, as there are numerous factual inaccuracies that I as a layman can spot out. Chariotrider555 (talk) 05:31, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

I am just saying the practical situation. You even can't say who is khandayat and who is chasa untill you check caste certificate in odissa. They are totally same. Surname and gotra also same. I want that you should add more information in origin and history section.as they are militia caste in odissa. Local brahmhin call them ksatriyas. Their involvement in paik rebellion. Indian's first rebellion against british east of India company. Should not direcy say them shudras.now days all the population of khandayat are actually Chasa khandait. They are known as chasa khandayat. Please read these articles. https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/international-journal-of-asian-studies/article/genealogies-of-the-paika-rebellion-heterogeneities-and-linkages/4F1D10668F4ED9EE67FA01845047B201 Move to paik and non paik Sekharblack123 (talk) 08:29, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

http://rmrl.in/wp-content/uploads/The-Paikos.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjW0NXJl7zwAhWMfn0KHaDWBNwQFjAPegQIDBAC&usg=AOvVaw0siVcg8GWPJCs894NATGp_ Sekharblack123 (talk) 08:32, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

And frnd,thank u for your replay. We had a very good conversation. I just said you that I have been listening from my childhood. And one thing mirrage between Chasa and khandayat are not intercaste mirrage, it is same caste mrrg. We know Chasa as Chasa khandayat, a part of khandayat community. I am happy talking you .. Thank you. Have a good day. 😊😊 Sekharblack123 (talk) 14:22, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Hii frnd. This is the proof.. https://archive.org/details/hinducastesands00bhatgoog/page/n170/mode/2up Read the 147 page. This is the famous book hindu caste and sect by jogendra nath bhattacharya. He is a famous writer. Sekharblack123 (talk) 07:11, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Pls check this book. Hindu caste and sect by jogendra nath bhattacharya
This is the proof. Chasa khandayat. https://archive.org/details/hinducastesands00bhatgoog/page/n170/mode/2up Sekharblack123 (talk) 07:14, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Page 147 Sekharblack123 (talk) 07:15, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Read this. Page 147. It is a famous book. https://archive.org/details/hinducastesands00bhatgoog/page/n170/mode/2up Sekharblack123 (talk) 11:26, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Regarding my edits
Ok thanks for letting me know about Anti hindu encyclopedia which never lets us publish good sides of the faith and its various liberal aspects completely despite my edits are from genuine sources so good bye wikipedia. Dont ask for donations from india as you do every year. RamTripathi33 (talk) 15:21, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1023625255 check it where i am wrong. RamTripathi33 (talk) 15:23, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Sockpuppet investigation
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Why you revert
I have given source. Why you change my edit Sagardon4 (talk) 03:13, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Gadaria
Hello there. On Gadaria, I removed certain referenced content on 17:17, 9 May 2021‎ on the following grounds that were explained in the edit summary: "Reference is not a reliable source for the purposes of the statement made. See WP:RS; particularly WP:RSCONTEXT." You reverted that change on 17:17, 6 June 2021 while providing the following explanation in your edit summary: "Reverted removal of sourced content.”

Certainly, I am also very vigilant to groundless removal of sourced content on this particular article. However, simply the existence of a source is not a complete explanation for the reversion, when the reason for the original edit doesn’t appear to have been considered or addressed by you. For now, I am respectfully reverting your edit. Should you have any thoughts on the tension between WP:RS and WP:RSCONTEXT with the said text, I would be happy to consider them on the Talk page for Gadaria. Thanks.Deccantrap (talk) 21:05, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

Books about Vedic deities
For Puranic deities, we usually take reference from Purāṇic encyclopaedia by Vettam Mani. Do you know any such source which is about Vedic deities? . 245CMR . •👥📜 03:52, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
 * User:245CMR, the closest English scholarly work would probably be Vedic Mythology by Arthur Anthony Macdonell, although since it was published in 1897 several of the book's details are no longer held by modern scholars. The unpublished version of Vedic Hinduism by Michael Witzel and Stephanie Jamison gives a comprehensive overview of the Historical Vedic religion in general and lists previous research in each field up to 1992 . Chariotrider555 (talk) 20:49, 29 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Ok, thank you very much. . 245CMR . •👥📜 02:06, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

What counts as WP:ARBIP ?
A few hours ago, a notice was placed on my talk page by you calling my attention to WP:ARBIP. I was a little confused by this as I don't recall editing any articles related to the India-Pakistan conflict, and as a general rule I tend to stay away from editing political articles like those.

Is my understanding of WP:ARBIP incorrect? What comes under it and what doesn't?

Aathish S &#124; talk &#124; contribs 03:10, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
 * User:Aathish S, I believe you are confusing WP:GS/IPAK with WP:ARBIPA. The former is community-authorized sanctions for "Pages related to any conflict between India and Pakistan", whereas the latter is Arbitration Committee-authorized sanctions for "All pages related to India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan, broadly construed". I left a notice regarding the presence of the latter sanctoins on your talk page given your edits on Hinduism-related articles. Hope that clears it up for you. Chariotrider555 (talk) 03:26, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Yep, that clears it up. Thanks for the response! Aathish S &#124; talk &#124; contribs 06:45, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

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Bairagi Brahmins
If we don't know properly about anything it is good to say nothing about that. No information is better than misrepresented information. This topic is related to image of a community we have no right to intervene this. If we want to understand Indian culture, we have to come here and understand each aspect of Indian culture exclusively. V.S.bhardwaj (talk) 03:49, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Your Entry on my talk page
Thanks, I would take your suggestion as sincere assuming you took due diligence in posting the same message on the 2 editors (so far) that started this bullying and False Accusations against me. I don't see any evidence that you have done so, which makes wonder what the purpose here isXoltron (talk) 21:11, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
 * User:Xoltron, I think you need to read on what bullying is, and what bullying is not. Chariotrider555 (talk) 21:45, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
 * What you and your 2 peers have done so far could be interpreted as harassment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Harassment, hounding and bullying over a simple discussion I started on the Indo-Aryan Languages talk page. The fact that you did not call them out for starting the bullying and hounding in the first place is dubious.Xoltron (talk) 01:09, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Abhira
Stop stop stop stop Do not change Abhira Page info without reason, all the information has been added on the basis of the source, if I change again without reason, then I will protest विक्रम सिंह बनाफर (talk) 22:43, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * User:विक्रम सिंह बनाफर, any information added to Wikipedia needs to come from a reliable source. Please read Wikipedia's policy on reliable sources, the consensus on reliable sources for history-related content, and the consensus on reliable sources for caste-related content. Chariotrider555 (talk) 22:48, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Not assuming Good faith
I can report you for not assuming good faith in violation of WP:AOBF, its evident from your revert summary on Chaulukya dynasty and similar on List of Rajput dynasties and states that you know I am editor since long and am editing history related pages. Yet you are directly threatening me with a block warning on my talk page. And in the revert summaries on both of these pages you are accusing me of performing proxy edits for some blocked sockpuppet. This is not just a serious accusation but you are trying to engage in an edit war on both pages. Sajaypal007 (talk) 15:52, 9 November 2021 (UTC)