User talk:Charles01/Archive 19

Your new article Ford Taunus P5
Thanks for taking the time to create the new article Ford Taunus P5. This article looks very well put together. You did an excellent job with uploading images to the article. As you know, Wikipedia is always a work in progress. So thank you, Jipinghe (talk) 21:08, 8 July 2011 (UTC)


 * And thank you for noticing.  And (especially since they're positive...) for sharing your reactions.
 * Success Charles01 (talk) 06:08, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Bond 875 Road Test section
Hi Charles, It looks like it was you that added this section to the Bond 875 page. I don't have the magazine to be able to tell, but from what you've added it all looks a bit confusing towards the end specifically "The testers commended the Reliant's performance and economy, but found the three wheeler unstable at high speed. They thought the gear box and brakes good but were disappointed by 'poor seats and detail finish'." Is the tester talking about the Bond or a three wheeled Reliant? Mighty Antar (talk) 00:52, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for spotting this.  Clearly my fingers were ahead of my brain and drifted off to some bad place.   Again.   I've corrected it.   Pls let me know if it still doesn't make sense.   (I've NOT revisited the magazine because my magazines are now back in several large plastic boxes in the loft and not catalogued.   But from memory and context I am clear beyond reasonable doubt that I should have written Bond.)   Regards   Charles01 (talk) 05:30, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that looks and sounds much better. Mighty Antar (talk) 12:48, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Quick check request Friedrich Franz
Hello Charles,

could you please just read through article 'Friedrich Franz̈́ that I've just made? I use there words like "daguerreotype" and I am not totally sure whether I use it in a right way. Generally though, the article should be fine and there is no need for detailed scrutiny (at least I hope so). Thank you very much! Cimmerian praetor (talk) 21:17, 13 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Hello C P


 * I don't think I knew the word daguerrotype till about ten years ago.  I first heard it in connection with studying my genealogy.   I had a (very distant and indirect) cousin who was some kind of a photography pioneer in the early days.   But I think it is really because of the web that we all of us now can see in casual (on line) browsing photographs from that period quite frequently.   Especially those of us interested in history.   Ten years ago you had to go into dusty shops in small towns where the shop rents are still relatively low.   At least I suppose you did.


 * Anyhow, I've turned that sentence round a little bit so it works for me.  I've not read the whole entry, but probably will...


 * Success Charles01 (talk) 05:33, 14 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much. Cimmerian praetor (talk) 07:38, 14 July 2011 (UTC)


 * That is interesting. I have roots among farmers and coal miners, and even the town, where my grandpa (still alive) used to live fell a victim to the coal mining. I wonder whether I will be able to find out anything about my ancestry, should the day I get interested into it come.Cimmerian praetor (talk) 09:39, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

sniping
Hi Charles, left a note for you here - Snipe,

see also Imperial. best regards. Eddaido (talk) 22:15, 20 July 2011 (UTC)




 * Interesting.


 * I’m not sure that, taken in isolation, it is so surprising that at a time when cars were all (almost all) the same shape, cars were (almost all) all the same shape, if you see what I mean.  I’m sure I’ve seen Cadillacs that precise shape taking part in old movies involving Chicago mobsters and unlawful alcohol production in the late 20s.   And I’ve long suspected that the Ford 8 was in many respects a rip off of the Morris 8.   Various other late 1920s designs from Peugeot, Austin and yes, the first Hillman Minxes from Rootes are pretty hard to tell apart.   Coming forward, I remember in 1966 rumours flying among my self and snotty nosed contemporaries that the Ford Cortina Mk II and Hillman Hunter were so indistinguishable that it was obvious that someone had stolen someone’s plans.   No longer sure which of Ford and Chrysler/Rootes were deemed the big bad thieves and which the innocent victims in that…...   And more recently, even that nice Sig Giugaro seems to have recycled the first Passat Variant in Korea.   Clean simple designs can be hard to differentiate without the thing looking contrived.


 * But some of the other echoes between Humber Snipe and Chrysler do indeed hint at a more extensive alignment of thinking.  Or at least that Rootes was very impressed by the Chrysler approach and the Detroit approach in general.   Lotta metal for the money was a theme especially for Humber in the 30s, 40s and 50s.


 * I checked out the William Rootes, 1st Baron Rootes to see if our man ever visited the US.  If he had a Chrysler agency, it seems more than likely, though it’s not as much trumpeted as Andre Citroen's Damascus moment at whichever assembly line plant it was Henry Ford showed him.   My only conclusion was that the wiki entry on Lord Rootes needs a lot more work.   Might you be tempted?   I feel that US influences on the Rootes brothers might (suitably sourced, of course…) in the first instance be a more appropriate para for an entry on the man than on the Snipe, though once there’s a thoughtful para on it for the man one could summarize the para into a two or three lines for subsequent inclusion on the Snipe entry.


 * Lest this be thought a one way street, you already moved me – whether or not on purpose I cannot tell – to set up a series of more substantial entries on the post was German Fords from Ford Taunus P1 to Ford P7.  I still think the anglophone Ford Taunus page itself is a complete mess, but I wouldn’t really know where to start shovelling.


 * No further thoughts.  Except it’s nearly lunch time. Happy day. Charles01 (talk) 11:16, 21 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Didn't you know that until very recently all Korean cars were built using worn but not worn out Japanese machinery and designs? I don't see why they might not have bought a little or a lot of pre-owned VW stuff too. My source of Humber info is direct from the lips of a family friend, dead nearly 45 years, who has his article in WP and ODNB, personal mate and business friend of the slightly younger than he Mr W Roote (not originally Rootes) and always chauffeured in a (long series of) very large black RHD Chrysler(s) except on days when it mattered while he was president of the SMMT (his personally founded company made major components) when his then late wife's Star Sapphire was pressed back into his driver's unwilling service. Same source for my attempt to underline in W O Bentley's article that Hives was determined to destroy WOB, put in the knife then would twist from time to time. I'm sorry but my informant has to stay anonymous. Stanley Brotherhood, chairman of Humber, was a different earlier generation but also a friend of informant.


 * Rolls-Royce and large Daimler cars could be described as American cars built in Britain. Large lightly loaded engines employing different from tax-ridden design philosophies (and in the US case 1930s-1950s much less fragile bodies). Humbers perhaps too and my mind was running on that when I chose to look up what I saw was your newish article - and I thought your comment on the bodyshape was a little unfair. Anyone, just anyone could see that that Snipe was not an English car but an American car. You know the rest. Its also possible that UK assembly of Chryslers was stopped about 1930 so the Rootes would have known there would be a ready market, maybe even boxes of bits. The Rootes brothers took almost as much interest in the shape of their cars as W Lyons.


 * Are quite you sure that when you say it was hard to tell certain 1920s-1930s cars apart it is not just a lack of familiarity? I always used to muddle 1938 Singer Bantam deluxes - photos coming and Morris 8s. And another thing you'd make four or five Hillman Minxes out of that first Humber Snipe! Not a family car but a large car, a real car, American size. And furthermore and in any case I just don't believe you did not know that Korean manufacturers bought in lightly used machinery and designs. Bluffer!


 * Sorry but the Singer Bantam article has no photo of a Bantam but of a sporting variant, you will remedy? Go to this page Singer Bantam de luxe and scroll down. Eddaido (talk) 13:18, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Gun_politics_in_the_Czech_Republic
Hello Charlie, I have just updated self defense with firearms in the Czech Republic. I followed the law and a school law book when doing it, hence I especially need someone without legal background to check whether it makes any sense. Thank you very much for your help with this! Cimmerian praetor (talk) 19:24, 31 July 2011 (UTC)


 * It must be strange (in a good way) living in a country where the law is so clear.  But how do the poor lawyers earn enough to eat?
 * Looking at the first two paras, what you wrote is perfectly clear to me.  I changed it a bit, if only to show I'd read it, but I'm not sure I've made it any better and of course if you think I damage the meaning please correct.
 * I'll try and look at the rest of it in due course, but either your source is very clearly written in the original language or your English is improving.  Or, most likely, both.   It's pretty easy to follow as it is.   I'm still enjoying the image of the guy being attacked by a raging dog wondering, as he pulls the trigger,  whether he should invoke "Utmost Necessity" or "Necessary self defense".   Of course, if he is a policeman it could be even harder for the poor guy...  Regards  Charles01 (talk) 10:50, 4 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Well it is a bit less clear in reality, especially as regards manifestly disproportionate. Especially if you are attacked by a single attacker who does not have obvious physical advantage, nor any weapon. But generally, if you shoot him in the leg, you should be fine. If you shoot him in the face, that may already cross the border.


 * It is more clear with the dog. Either his owner is not there / can't successfully stop him, and then it is utmost necessity, or he is there and he directly sends the dog against you, and then it is self defense (in that case the dog is classified as a weapon). FYI policeman is usually required to give a warning shot, I think that it is not something that a civilian has to do (I am not aware of such a legal provision). Of course it is helpful, if you can demonstrate, that a warning shot didn't stop an attacker, then the prosecutor will probably have more understanding for a bullet in the leg.


 * I was recently in Brussels and in Paris, on both counts my colleagues got robbed (almost robbed in Paris). The Czech Republic seems to be quite safe place compared to these. Funny that we get to defend ourselves with guns, if we want to, but in these "dangerous" places they have to rely on police. Cimmerian praetor (talk) 13:18, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Seeing what is happening in UK now led me to think again about what you've written regarding the clarity of the law concrning self-defense. I hope you are all OK, mate. Cimmerian praetor (talk) 19:07, 9 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you.  I remember a few years ago there were floods in a part of England and it was a quiet news day in Italy so a friend from Italy got in touch to find out if I was still alive.   I was and till now I am!   Most people do not see those riots except on television.   But maybe I'll avoid the big cities till it calms down, and we'll keep the kids from going to London.   The Brits have always had a wild streak and the challenge for governments is to harness the wild bits.   In the old days we had an empire for that sort of thing.   These days the government still likes to put the wilder kids in the army and send them abroad to trouble someone else.   I'm not sure about the morality of that, but I guess people feel good being able to celebrate the wilder kids as heroes rather than condemn them as criminals, and at least the present government try and make sure they operate according to international law, such as it is.   As for all the surrounding legal issues, the Blair-Brown government (replaced in 2009) would have instantly passed an infinitely complex and appallingly unclear new "crime and disorder" law and the courts would have spent the next few years trying to work out what it meant while the politicians would claim credit for having done something.   (The official question for the courts in respect of a new law concerns "what parliament intended" but the last government didn't let parliament get it's hands on their new laws too much, and if parliament hadn't been given a chance to read the thing it becomes a little hard to get into the realms of what they would have intended if they had.)  This lot are not so trigger happy with new incomprehensible laws which no one understands.   And there are perfectly good existing laws against theft and assault, so there's really no need for new ones.   At the moment discussion seems to be concentrating on police tactics.   No doubt in due course we'll be told that government has been persuaded that we need to pay for more police (till recently at a record level, but currently being reduced in number on account of the country having run out of money thanks to the aforementioned foreign wars).


 * Strange that you found Brussels dangerous.  I never felt threatened there, but maybe this is because I don’t often go out late at night.   There are plenty of parts of London which I would avoid after dark, and there I speak the mother language a whole lot better than I can manage Flemish with a Brussels dialect.   I cannot resist adding that the only place my father ever had a gun pointed at him (at least outside of war when he had to joined the British army) was Czechoslovakia.   He was on a train going to some sort of trade fair in Prague somewhere round 1961, and somewhere after leaving Germany he got out of the train at a station just to exercise his legs, walking up and down the platform.   A man in a uniform pointed a gun at him and indicated that he should get back on the train.   So of course he did.   He still came back a week later with some wonderful pictures of Prague.   I wish I knew where they went.


 * Ho hum  Charles01 (talk) 19:39, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Parish
I noticed you just edited that page while I was working on it. I moved most of the CofE stuff to its own page as the article was too heavily weighted with details about one country. Can you run over what I have left behind and make sure it still makes sense? You could check out Parish (Church of England) as well while I' m tracking down pictures. Amandajm (talk) 10:38, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Noted.  I hadn't spotted that you were in the middle of working on it.   Sorry.   I'll try and remember to come back to it later.  Success Charles01 (talk) 10:57, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Cabriolet, convertible, tourer
Hi Charles01, Hope your weekend runs smoothly. I append from British Motor Manufacturers, Historic Prices 1 September 1939 a big day for Europe.
 * Daimler	Fifteen saloon	£485
 * Daimler	Fifteen sports saloon	£485
 * Daimler	Fifteen rally saloon	£575
 * Daimler	Fifteen cabriolet	£605
 * Daimler	Fifteen convertible	£540
 * Daimler	2½-Litre tourer	£700
 * Daimler	2½-Litre sports saloon	£785
 * Daimler	2½-Litre convertible	£745
 * Daimler	19.3 saloon	£595
 * Daimler	19.3 sports saloon	£595
 * Daimler	19.3 4-door cabriolet	£835

which shows the three different descriptions. I thought I understood the distinctions and this shows me I do not - unless a Convertible has four doors? Or a Tourer has four doors but no weather protection or a Cabriolet has, or. . . what? in puzzlement Eddaido (talk) 14:18, 3 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Interesting.  Thank you.   I need to digest it.  Given the bitter and twisted individual that (sometimes) I am, you will, I hope, forgive me if I point out that just because something is beautifully set out by someone with an official sounding name, that doesn't necessarily mean it's any more logical or accurate on that account.   When I was young, I think people in England used to believe what they read in the newspapers because it was easier to discern than what was handwritten.   I think most of us have now seen enough of the way the press - at least in Britain - operates to have been cured of that.   But the more general point that there is no automatic correlation between something looking good and something being true remains, I contend, valid.   Weekend otherwise smooth till now:  I seem to have got the bread right (time in oven, amount of yeast etc...)  Best wishes for yours.  Charles01 (talk) 14:55, 3 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for those wise words of comfort, we are all so often no more than seekers of the right pigeonhole, am also minded of the ancient prophecy, able baker charlie. Turning out nice again here. Eddaido (talk) 22:52, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

P.S. Forgot to say I access The Times and other old newspapers through the website of the local public library, I think most of the libraries near you provide the same service. Eddaido (talk) 14:22, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Questionnaire
Hi there, I wonder if you would be interested in helping me with my research on Wikipedia. I am writing a dissertation on Wikipedia as part of my undergraduate course at the University of Cambridge. What I am asking is for you to complete a questionnaire with a number of general, subjective questions about your experiences working on Wikipedia, for example concerning Wikipedia's culture, your motivation in participating and so on. It should take 10-20 minutes. Participants will be anonymous if requested. More information is available if you are interested. Thanks! I really appreciate any time you can give! Thedarkfourth (talk) 07:15, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

colonial Americans
Hi Charles, have amended description for to model year 1950. I plead a special case. Did my driver's licence test in an identical car but it was just one pale greenish-tinged ivory colour. That car replaced in due course by a De Soto in a (very) slightly less lurid icy green with white roof as. Can tell you this model known here as just a De Soto Diplomat and because the car in your image also has just two headlights and the colour scheme it most probably will be from an export CKD pack - prob in that case sent to Antwerp (LHD). It may have been labelled a Firesweep there. If you compare with the other images of the same year this (the Diplomat) is a stripped down (one headlight export to poor countries) version. Not that any of this matters. Have a fun weekend, Eddaido (talk) 01:53, 17 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you for correcting the Chevrolet's year.  I think I must have got "1952" from the database of the UK car tax office,but he is certainly not infallible.   For a rare car such as this one he would often - maybe always - simply write down what he was told.   I did, in fact, plough through various wiki-commons image pages (ie Category:Chevrolet 1952, Category Chevrolet 1951) without coming to firm conclusions on the year.   But the whole point of wikipedia is that where something is wrong, someone with better knowledge will come along and correct it.   Sometimes works.   As here.   Incident(al)ly if you wish, for yourself, to investigate the information available from the UK tax office (provided one does not diligently blank out the license plate) I learned of it from a Finnish wiki colleague who kindly entered the link at the talk page connected to the entry on the Jaguar Mark VIII.


 * I had no idea they had drivers' license tests in north America 1950.  Or maybe it was a very old car.   Actually here in Europe, they didn't introduce test for drivers' licenses in Belgium till 1965.   And certainly my father, who grew up in England and must, I think, have done his first driving in the 1930s, never took any kind of test.


 * The De Soto - to my chagrin - is something I had barely heard of till I saw that one.  But the owner had helpfully put a label with its name on in one of the windows.   Also (tho it's a bit blurry on the images) he reproduced the name on the license plate.   Apart from a ten minute scan of wikipedia when I was uploading the picture, that's roughly all I know about the De Soto.   I never used to take much trouble to photograph American cars at old-timer fairs here in England, partly because half the time they've been improved out of recognition and I don't have the knowledge to judge with too much certainty what is (relatively) authentic and what isn't.   And partly because my starting assumption is that there are far more wiki contributors in the USA than in the UK and they, presumably, have far more chances to photograph FDR/Truman/Eisenhower era oldtimers than I do.   But then I'm beginning to think that some of the history sections, even for major GM or Chrysler brands, on several US auto brands are extraordinarily thin once you get back before say the 1970s.   And there aren't in every case so many good pix of all the different permutations of cars from that period.   I guess we had a lot of squaddies in the UK throughout the 1950s and 1960s from the US, and if they had bought over or acquired an old car, it often wouldn't be worth the cost to ship it back to the US when they returned.  And of course a few of them quietly stayed behind (as a generation and a half earlier had my own grandparents) and put down roots here in England.   Anyhow, these days, if I see an apparently authentic looking (as far as I can tell) US old timer from the 1940s or 1950s I no longer automatically leave my camera in my pocket.


 * So much thinking so soon after breakfast....You have a good weekend too. Regards Charles01 (talk) 08:00, 17 September 2011 (UTC)