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Editing News #2—2016
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The team is working with the volunteer developers who power Wikisource to provide the visual editor there, for opt-in testing right now and eventually for all users. (T138966)

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New version of File:Fiat Ritmo prefacelifts 105TC (performance version).jpg uploaded to Commons
Hi again,

I thought you ought to know that I've uploaded a filtered version of one of your images to Commons. The new version has been uploaded under the separate filename File:Fiat Ritmo prefacelifts 105TC (performance version) (filtered).jpg along with a list of the changes made and a disclaimer regarding the accuracy.

(Though I should make clear that I've tried to stick to global changes and avoid anything that veers towards selective retouching. This might have have improved the neutrality of the shadows, but- for me- would have crossed the line away from any claim to be an accurate representation of the original at all).

Hope you don't mind this, let me know if there are any problems. All the best!

Ubcule (talk) 17:23, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the update.  Interesting.   It certainly looks a bit sharper.   And you seem to have given it a slightly red tint, as though it were taken towards the end of the afternoon.   I'm afraid I no longer have any memory from which to know which is the "truer" presentation.   But thanks for removing the speck of dust above the headlight.   I think - if cautiously - your version is an improvement, and you have not "over-improved" it to the point where it looks unrealistic.   That's important.   So thank you.   I confess, I think that if your theme is Fiat Ritmos, the one I took in the Netherlands is a nicer picture - more interesting colo(u)r and less distractingly aggressive background.  And a marginally better angle.   BUT (1) these things are very much a matter of personal taste and  (2) the one I took in Italy - I think probably in Rome - has greater wiki-rarity value because it's of the 105TC.   It's certainly the one people seem to have picked up on for wiki-articles.


 * No further thoughts.  Happy Sunday.   Charles01 (talk) 18:58, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
 * It hasn't been explicitly sharpened as such; I'm guessing one or more of the filters just brought things out that way. My aim was really just to move the colour away from the green, reduce the contrast and to enhance the shadow detail that already existed in your photo without explicit retouching.
 * Sorry about the pinkish areas; I wasn't entirely happy with that, but the green tint wasn't entirely linear (especially not in the darker areas), so it was an unfixable "remainder" after it was mostly balanced out.
 * (I own the same scanner model; when I had problems with it, someone noted the Plustek was quite nonlinear in its colour response. Then again, I wasn't about to spend the time and money needed to profile it, especially as I'd finished scanning most of my poxy slides!)
 * Your other photo is great too, though I have to admit I'm not as big a fan of the later Stradas and Ritmos themselves; they (intentionally) mainstreamed and blanded out the styling of the original models.
 * Thanks for the great images. All the best! Ubcule (talk) 19:52, 16 July 2016 (UTC)


 * I agree about the way marketing departments spoil the looks of clean designs when they do the Mark 2 versions.  If - as I infer - you live in England, you will probably share my view that it's not a uniquely Fiat problem.   Hillman Hunter, Volvo 144/164, Ford Sierra, Triumph & Rover 2000, SD1, BMC AD016  .... in fact almost anything BMC did in the 1960s and 70s - all reasonably coherent designs that became less coherent when some committee of car haters in the marketing department basement signed off on a Mark II version.   Sorry, I really need to go off and do something useful.   Regards Charles01 (talk) 14:17, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

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Gear
You're right, a spectacularly handsome car. Can't say that about the next one. (This next is entirely from memory of the mid-70s) VW were at a total loss for a new model and losing sales fast. Auto-Union were in deep trouble too but financial and they had designed a new small car. So VW bought AU and the new car and rushed it into production and it was almost ecstatically greeted. Does WP say anything like that? From over here things sound calm enough, (i.e. no noticeable noise at all, I mean normal volume) are you going to stick with the current residence or cross Channel? regards, Eddaido (talk) 08:19, 7 August 2016 (UTC)


 * On the crisis at VW in the 1970s, there's a certain amount on it in the entry of Rudolf Leiding which appears to have benefitted from sourcing to one or two contemporary articles.  Feel free to improve.
 * On the Brexit future of Britain, ... well, at the end of 1970s we ended thirty years of relative economic decline thanks to (1) Margaret Thatcher, (2) North Sea Oil and (3) EEC membership.  Not necessarily (almost certainly not) in that order.   Since then the Brits have become, relatively, a whole lot more prosperous, and have come to hold the political class in ever greater contempt, which seems to correlate with a rapid retreat from parliamentary democracy - delegated legislation and cronyism and all that - and the inexplicable launch of the war in the Middle East.   The future?   There seems to be some sort of a sudden change of direction emerging in the economic data, but on the political front no one brought along a map.   Also, probably it's off topic.   But the only way the parliamentarians over here get a cheer these days is by telling "the people" there are too many of them.   That's parliamentarians.  Which given that they no longer do very much in terms of holding governments to account is probably fair enough; but even a fig leaf legislature needs to be populated with something.   Anyhow, the politicians have gone back to talking about (1) fracking and (2) themselves this weekend.   As who would not?   Happy days.   Charles01 (talk) 08:50, 7 August 2016 (UTC)


 * I have read as suggested and I see I was wrong to believe the AU purchase was in the early 1970s, it had been well settled in the portfolio by then. I think you are a very good encapsulator, I suppose that would be well exercised by the translations. I hope Leiding, who might have been as much as 60, went away happily and had a comfortable retirement he must have been good at his job.


 * Nervous because I am amending (your) Sunbeam Talbot(s) in the light of further info and I believe some mis-identified photos but I came here about your new photos. Just please fix it where ever i take the article off the rails. Its b* cold here — by local standards. Hope you are all warm and sunny. Eddaido (talk) 09:07, 7 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Yes, Daimler Benz had acquired Auto Union under pressure from an over-influential (?well ... anyway) shareholder in 1958, but DB's more pressing priority, naturally enough, was their own cars.  Also the old Auto Union factories in Zwickau had ended up on the "wrong" side of the line, so trying to figure out what to do with what was left cannot have been easy.   On the other hand, by the time they sold the business to Volkswagen - I think maybe in 1964 - DB had funded investment in the new generation of Audis and - possibly even more importantly - in the Inglostadt plant where they would assemble the things.   When VW purchased Audi I sometimes wonder whether what they really had their eye on was extra production capacity for building Beetles that they were keen to get their hands one.   But indeed, a couple of years later it was (further reworked and modernised versions of) the cars designed to come out of Ingolstadt that saved their bacon.   On Sunbeam Talbots, I'll take a look but don't plan to "jump in".   I'm sure anything you do will be an improvement.   I get hopelessly confused through all the ownership changes for Sunbeam, and I have just a slight sense that if you look at French sources all the Darracq side of things, and indeed the Tony Lago stuff, look completely ... um ... different.    Success Charles01 (talk) 09:37, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

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The 10,000 Challenge
Hi there. I've started a new initiative, the The 10,000 Challenge. It's a long term goal to bring about 10,000 article improvements to the UK and Ireland. Through two contests involving just six or seven weeks of editing so far we've produced over 1500 improvements. Long term if we have more people chipping it and adding articles they've edited independently as well from all areas of the UK then reaching that target is all possible. I think it would be an amazing achievement to see 10,000 article improvements by editors chipping in. If you support this and think you might want to contribute towards this long term please sign up in the Contributors section. No obligations, just post work on anything you feel like whenever you want, though try to avoid basic stubs if possible as we're trying to reduce the overall stub count and improve general comprehension and quality. Thanks.♦ Dr. Blofeld  12:50, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a nice initiative, though as usual (well, often ... ) there's abundant scope for time-wasting differences of opinion on the ticklish business of definition.  I'm still recovering from the insight that systematic bias means there aren't enough contributions about women.   All too true, and it would be wonderful if life could be so simple, but there's a whole lot more to systematic bias than that back on the planet where I came from.   I think the larger issue may be what, currently, we are encouraged to call "group think".  Anyhow, I'll take a longer look at the 10,000 Challenge page later.


 * Right now I'm solemnly working through car pictures suitable (or not) for Commons, but I'll be back to concentrating my wiki time on translation in the next day or too.  (I sense you are not so very interested in cars ... so sad!)


 * Success Charles01 (talk) 13:19, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

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Sunbeam-Talbot Ten
Was indeed thinking of your good work as I fiddled with this article but I had not taken on board the very recent amendment by your own hand. Had I understood that I'd have left things as they were, now I might have been over-specific so please change it back agin if you wish to. regards, Eddaido (talk) 03:18, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Looks fine to me.  But of course if I notice anything capable of improvement ... well, never say never, but I think you have a pretty firm handle on this.   Success Charles01 (talk) 06:27, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

French abbreviationary practices
Good morning Charles. Can you tell me if it is correct to believe as I do that Citroën S.A. is just the same as Société Anonyme Citroën but a short form and is used in the way we might use Bloggs Ltd in place of Bloggs Limited or do I have all that all wrong? I consider particularly Talbot, Darracq etc. Yr advice please, regards, Eddaido (talk) 23:30, 16 September 2016 (UTC)


 * I think so, yes; though I'd have to see it in context to be more sure.   I think plc might be a better analogy.   I can just about think of "the public liability company Unilever" aka "Unilever plc", whereas "the limited liability company Soapsuds" aka "Soap suds Ltd" looks somehow less satisfying.  Don't attempt to follow me down that track, though, and certainly don't pick me up on failure to capitalise the first letter as appropriate.   That's a different conversation and it's a bit early, still, here.  Best Charles01 (talk) 06:01, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

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Knut Folkerts
Thank you very much for your work on this article. Regards--Buchbibliothek (talk) 21:36, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
 * My pleasure.  And thank you for noticing.   There's still more to be done I think, and there might be more useful information to be mined from the sources already cited (and/or from others accessible online using Google); but I do think it's maybe easier to follow than it was for an English language mother-tongue speaker.


 * And EVERY wiki entry (almost) is still only a work in progress.  But still they only give us 24 hours each day.   Success Charles01 (talk) 06:13, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

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