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Citroën TUB pioneering forward control design/Peugeot DMA first forward control from the marque
Hi Charles01, I deleted two statements from the Peugeot DMA article, because I consider them incorrect. The first was the "pioneering" aspect of the forward control cabin used on the Citroën TUB. The design was pretty common before the TUB introduction, and even in France it was used by both military and commercial cargo vehicles (as the Renault AGP and the Panhard K 101), well before the introduction of the TUB. I would say that, as it happens with many Citroëns, the notable about the TUB isn't single innovations, but the fact it was one of the first cargo vehicles that put together several design aspects in a way that then would become standard. I also removed the statement saying the DMA was the first forward control commercial vehicle of Peugeot because I consider it at least dubious, as I think they had at least one before the war with a limited production volume, although I don't remember its name.

If you disagree, I'm happy to discuss it. Regards. --Urbanoc (talk) 14:47, 15 October 2016 (UTC)


 * I suspect that you are better informed on the subject than I am.  If I were to look at it, I might be able to remember why I wrote it the way I did.   Most likely it came from French wikipedia or German wikipedia or (less likely) Italian or Dutch wikipedia.   And/or from something written by Rene Bellu and/or something I found online.   But I am more than happy for you to enter well considered corrections.   That is how wikipedia works, I think.   Where corrections come with sources, tant mieux, but in this case I suspect that there may have been no "inline" citations obviously supporting the adjective "pioneering".


 * On a forward control pre-war Peugeot commercial, I'm not so sure....  The Peugeot range through history is easier to "know" than that of most automakers because the museum at Sochaux really does take you through the history of the vehicles more or less from the beginning.   And I am lucky enough to have been able to visit it every few years since about 1995 - last time was 2015.   And I don't remember ever seeing a forward control commercial vehicle from before the war on display there.  My understanding had been that this was why it was positive that the Chenard et Walcker van plugged a gap.    But I don't know everything.   And I CERTAINLY don't remember everything.   And none of this is evidenced in a way that would lead me to argue with your judgement in removing the statement in question.


 * Incidently I still think the Citroën TUB was remarkable in its time.  But maybe I've simply been taken in by the Citroën propaganda machine?   (Sad it didn't always work out so well for their investors...)


 * Small digression: I did not find a wiki entry for the Renault AGP or the Panhard K 101.   Should I be looking under different names?   Or are they both vehicles without wiki entries?   In which case .... well, you know the next question.   But of course only if you have time (- and access to sources, of course).


 * Best wishes Charles01 (talk) 15:18, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the answer Charles01. Well, the TUB is in fact pretty notable, at least because it was one of the first vans with, I would say, a "modern" desing both from the styling and technical sides, and surely the first from France. In fact, it was modern-looking that some late Citroën vans...


 * If you can confirm in any form (or if you are completely sure that's the case) that the DMA was in fact the first forward control Peugeot in commercial use, please re-add the info. I don't see the point in opposing so firmly something I'm not completely sure... I'll research more and if can confirm it I'll re-add it myself.


 * The AGP and the K 101 haven't articles as far as I know... because they're not easy tasks, they didn't have articles on the French Wikipedia, which proves the info isn't specially abundant. Still, that never stopped me before :). I promise I'll do research on both, and if I find a minimum of substantial info beyond brochures and passing mentions in books I'll try to give them articles. Regards. --Urbanoc (talk) 16:41, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

Europe 10,000 Challenge invite
Hi. The WikiProject Europe/The 10,000 Challenge has recently started, based on the UK/Ireland The 10,000 Challenge. The idea is not to record every minor edit, but to create a momentum to motivate editors to produce good content improvements and creations and inspire people to work on more countries than they might otherwise work on. There's also the possibility of establishing smaller country or regional challenges for places like Germany, Italy, the Benelux countries, Iberian Peninsula, Romania, Slovenia etc, much like The 1000 Challenge (Nordic). For this to really work we need diversity and exciting content and editors from a broad range of countries regularly contributing. If you would like to see masses of articles being improved for Europe and your specialist country like WikiProject Africa/The Africa Destubathon, sign up today and once the challenge starts a contest can be organized. This is a way we can target every country of Europe, and steadily vastly improve the encyclopedia. We need numbers to make this work so consider signing up as a participant and also sign under any country sub challenge on the page that you might contribute to! Thank you. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 02:46, 6 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi
 * I'm not really web-smart enough (or wiki-patient enough), to handle the admin involved in participating in all these challenges simultaneously, but I have been listing my biographical contributions at WikiProject Intertranswiki for a year or so, and if anyone wants to go through the monthly archived batches and harvest any relevant articles for inclusion in projects embracing Scandinavia, women or any other currently favoured sub-category of humanity, you are very welcome to do so.  Then again, it may have been done already when I wasn't looking.
 * Success Charles01 (talk) 17:33, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

Translation
Thanks for the suggestion, I'll certainly take a look at Intertranswiki once I've finished my current project. Thanks also for your help with the Magdeburg Wars AfD page*, much appreciated!

I think Wikipedia should sue Alternative für Deutschland for tainting a perfectly good acronym! :D Quityergreeting (talk) 13:16, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Sibylle Boden-Gerstner


The article Sibylle Boden-Gerstner has been proposed for deletion&#32;because of the following concern:
 * Too little information to warrant a stand-alone article.

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Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:21, 5 December 2016 (UTC)


 * : Since Robert McClenon proposed the article for deletion it seems the creator has addressed his concerns by expanding the information.RGCorris (talk) 17:51, 5 December 2016 (UTC)