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July 2014
Hello. Your recent edit to List of people from Grand Rapids, Michigan appears to have added the name of a non-notable entity to a list that normally includes only notable entries. In general, a person or organization added to a list should have a pre-existing article before being added to most lists. If you wish to create such an article, please first confirm that the subject qualifies for a separate, stand-alone article according to Wikipedia's notability guideline. Thank you. John from Idegon (talk) 20:54, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Please do not write or add to an article about yourself, as you apparently did at List of people from Grand Rapids, Michigan. Creating an autobiography is strongly discouraged – see our guideline on writing autobiographies. If you create such an article, it may be deleted. If what you have done in life is genuinely notable and can be verified according to our policy for articles about living people, someone else will probably create an article about you sooner or later (see Wikipedians with articles). If you wish to add to an existing article about yourself, please propose the changes on its talk page. Please understand that this is an encyclopedia and not a personal web space or social networking site. If your article has already been deleted, please see: Why was my page deleted?, and if you feel the deletion was an error, please discuss it with the deleting administrator. Thank you. John from Idegon (talk) 20:54, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Please do not add or change content, as you did to Charles Ryskamp, without verifying it by citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. John from Idegon (talk) 21:13, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Please stop adding unsourced content, as you did to List of people from Grand Rapids, Michigan. This contravenes Wikipedia's policy on verifiability. If you continue to do so, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. John from Idegon (talk) 21:14, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at List of people from Grand Rapids, Michigan. John from Idegon (talk) 16:06, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Managing a conflict of interest
Hello, CharlesRyskamp. We welcome your contributions to Wikipedia, but if you are affiliated with some of the people, places or things you have written about in the article Charles Ryskamp, you may have a conflict of interest.

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For information on how to contribute to Wikipedia when you have a conflict of interest, please see our frequently asked questions for organizations. Thank you. John from Idegon (talk) 16:09, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

request edit
This request is directed to John from Idegon.

I have used and contributed to Wikipedia many times over the years, and I respect that information added to page should be valid. I have asked fo a minor edit on this page (as I have done in the past), but it keeps getting rejected.

My name is Charles Ryskamp, but I am not the same Charles Ryskamp that this article is about. This article is about my Uncle, Dr. Charles Andrew Ryskamp. The only thing I wanted to add was that he was born in Grand Rapids, Michigan. The last time I tried to edit it, I even included a reference source from the 1940 census report from FamilySearch.org. I feel that John is confused and thinks I'm trying to self-promote when all I'm doing is to expand the information about my uncle who has been dead for over four years, and whom I am named after.

Please let me know how I can remedy this situation.

Sincerely,

Charles Philip Ryskamp
 * I read everything including the sections below and there isn't an immediate verifiable resolution of the conflict. Since the Independent commits a misspelling it may be that they have the birthplace wrong, so I am counting them unreliable on that point; but the problem is that they were told East Grand Rapids by somebody and you were told Grand Rapids by somebody. Maybe the hospital really was in East Grand Rapids; or maybe their source meant "east Grand Rapids" and so Grand Rapids is correct. The census website is a reliable source WP:AGF for repeating what the primary source the Census Bureau says, but it only shows that he was living in Grand Rapids at age 11. I know there were lots of homebirths and fewer hospital births at that time but without more we wouldn't want to speculate either way. So I put in two opposing inline tags and that will leave people to work it out when we have better sourcing. Frieda Beamy (talk) 21:22, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

request edit
I am trying to add the name Charles Ryskamp to this "List of People from Grand Rapids, Michigan". It has been rejected three times by John from Idegon. John seems to think I am trying to self-promote because Dr. Charles Ryskamp was my uncle and I was named after him, but if he read the article on Wikipedia he would see that Dr. Ryskamp died over four years ago.

I think that Dr. Charles Andrew Ryskamp is a worthy candidate for the page because he was born and raised in Grand Rapids, as were his parent and brothers. He attended Grand Rapids Christian High School, and graduated from Calvin College before leaving for Yale University to complete his Masters Degree and PHD. After that he continued to do many great things as noted in the Wikipedia article about him. I certainly think he's as worthy of this distinction as others who are on this list, eg "H Wayne Huizenga" who only lived in Grand Rapids while he was going to the Calvin College.

Please let me know how I can go about including Dr. Charles Ryskamp in the article.

Sincerely,

Charles Philip Ryskamp
 * There are several problems. You should not be editing directly, you should be using the Rquest edit (as you have now done.)


 * First, why did you create a section heading with the request edit template? You aren't the first to do this, but it messes up the formatting. I'm guessing you followed some instructions; I'd like to find them and correct them.


 * Second you are trying to add Charles Ryskamp to the Grand Rapids article, but this source claims he was born in East Grand Rapids, Michigan. Is that source incorrect?-- S Philbrick (Talk)  19:21, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Nobody is doubting the notability of your uncle, and no I am not confused. You and I are in agreement that you have a conflict of interest when it comes to editing your uncle's article and on information about him on other articles.  However, these edit request templates should go on the appropriate article's talk page, not here.  The only reliable source you gave said he was born in East Grand Rapids, a seperate city, as  noted above.  The geneology site you referenced is not considered a reliable source.  If you tell me that they actually have the census document they reference visable on the site, I would be willing to accept that as a reference to his residence in Grand Rapids (I am assuming the site itself is paywalled).  The reference would need to be added to his entry at the list article.  At this point the only info we have is that he was born in East Grand Rapids, and the geneology site does not contradict that.  So, I will change his bio to reflect that and restore the reference.  Awaiting your reply on the list thing.  Please leave me a talkback when you do.  Thanks! John from Idegon (talk) 19:37, 11 July 2014 (UTC)


 * The Independent article also mentioned him attending college in GR, so I will reinstate his name on the list too. Whether or not to include college students on Notable people lists is usually a local consensus decision, but in a community that is not primarily a college town like GR, it should be ok.  As you mentioned, there is at least one other there that was only a student there.  Fair warning, though:  Others may think differently about that and may remove him unless you can reference actual residence. John from Idegon (talk) 19:44, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
 * This one was done by John and I reformatted it. The answer to the other request is separate. Frieda Beamy (talk) 20:57, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Request Edit Proof
To John from Idegon,

Dear John,

I'm sorry I tried editing directly onto both articles I've been trying to update. I thought that was the way to do it as I had done it in the past. I will make sure to follow the correct procedures in the future.

I am also sorry about the confusion as to the birthplace of my uncle. I didn’t reread the article and see it has East Grand Rapids as his birthplace. This is a mistake. I am sending you a copy of the census taken for Kent County in 1940. My uncle is list on line 28, living at 1201 Sherman Street, Grand Rapids, MI. In the same house where his father Dr. Henry Ryskamp grew up, and which was built for his grandfather Jacob Ryskamp who are both list in the same household. I hope this suffices as an adequate proof of his birthplace. Please let me know if I need a different reference to verify this information. Thank you for your time in helping me to improve the information on Wikipedia. Sincerely, Charles P Ryskamp I hope this link works... https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-27893-13584-3?cc=2000219


 * It did, but without your personal knowledge (which we cannot use. SeeWP:OR), that does not show his birth in Grand Rapids. There is a reliable source that says East Grand Rapids, so that is what must be in the article until you can find some things that contradict it. See WP:TRUTH. Verifiability takes precidence over the truth here. John from Idegon (talk) 20:47, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Request Edit Update
John from Idegon,

I Just reread the original reference source for the birthplace. Apart form having the wrong city, it also spelled his name wrong, and the year of his birth in incorrect. I corrected the year of birth a while ago.

I hope this help in getting the proper information on the page.

Thanks again, C P Ryskamp
 * I will be undoing that. See "Truth" above.  i am not trying to be difficult here.  Information on people must be verifiable.  What you know is not. John from Idegon (talk) 20:49, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
 * There's a little misunderstanding. The essay doesn't say "Verifiability takes precidence over the truth", it says the threshold for inclusion is verifiability, not truth (because people can agree what verifiability is, so it is an easier threshold to use). When someone believes something is true but an otherwise reliable source says not, we can verify what the source says but we readers do not have an independent line to verify the truth. The best approach is to handle it other ways, such as deleting the statement, tagging, or achieving some other compromise, assuming no source can be brought forward to resolve the issue. Frieda Beamy (talk) 21:26, 18 July 2014 (UTC)