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Bartholomew Lloyd
Hi Charles, just a curious question. You created this article which contains the following paragraph:

Born at New Ross, County Wexford, 5 February 1772, he was son of Humphrey Lloyd, himself the son of the Rev. Bartholomew Lloyd of the Abbey House of New Ross. His father died while he was still a boy, and an uncle, the Rev. John Lloyd, rector of Ferns and Kilbride, to whose care he had been given, also died shortly, so that he was left to struggle for himself. He entered Trinity College, Dublin, in 1787 as a pensioner. In 1790 he gained first scholarship, in 1792 graduated B.A., and in 1796 obtained a junior fellowship. He graduated M.A. in the same year, B.D. in 1805, and D.D. in 1808.

What does the phrase He entered Trinity College as a pensioner actually mean, as he seems to have been about 15 years old?

Thanks Denisarona (talk) 07:09, 13 June 2024 (UTC)


 * For Cambridge, the term is explained at commoner (academia). I'm not so familiar with terminology at Dublin, but it will perhaps be the same, a class of undergraduates that is basically about fees. Charles Matthews (talk) 06:41, 16 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the explanation but I think it would be better to use commoner in this case as it is more common in Ireland. Regards Denisarona (talk) 09:48, 16 June 2024 (UTC)


 * The text was taken from Dictionary of National Biography, 1885-1900/Lloyd, Bartholomew, and I see that the revised ODNB text by M. C. Curthoys also uses pensioner. You can certainly pipe as pensioner. Charles Matthews (talk) 10:03, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

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A kitten for you!
Thank you for the Wiki article on Rigged Hilbert space. It is exactly what I was looking for!

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 * Thanks. Standards here have changed greatly over 20 years, and it is good to know that some of the exposition is still useful. Also, that the Moscow School ideas are still of interest. Charles Matthews (talk) 05:18, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

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Elizabeth Whately
Hi. I'm wondering whether you can assist me in sorting out a family tree muddle? I am currently creating an article about the Newman convert William Pope (1825-1905). His father was Rev. Frederick Sherlock W(illis?) Pope (1793-1852) who was born in Middlesex/London. F.S.W. Pope's parents were William Pope and Mary Heaton Pope. That bit I'm sure of. (Note Rev. F.S.W. Pope had a son of the same name, born 1831).

Where it gets complicated is that a news article about the 1853 Newman conversions states that my article subject William Pope (b.1825) was the nephew of Richard Whately. 

That relationship would be via Whately's wife, Elizabeth nee Pope, i.e. the above authoress Elizabeth Whately. So far so good. But when I look at the Elizabeth Whately article, and all those William Popes and no mention of Rev. Frederick Sherlock W. Pope, I get confused. Where does Frederick Sherlock W. Pope (b.1793) fit in? Did Elizabeth Whately have two brothers, not one?

If I can get that information, I can clarify the above news article and put Whately in my new article as an important relative of my apostate subject. It is an important relationship because Elizabeth and Richard Whately were mixed up with Newman and all the other movers and shakers of the C of E high-church controversies, and those controversies are what made my subject defect from the C of E. It is all truly fascinating, but I need to get it right. Can you throw any light?

Note: I have no family relationship with these people; nor do I have religious affiliations. My motivation is local history. Storye book (talk) 09:18, 19 July 2024 (UTC)


 * It is correct that William Sherlock Pope (b.1793) was a brother of Elizabeth (b. 1795) and William Law (b.c.1797). Those dates fit at least. I did some digging of my own. is a respectable reference, giving William and his brother John both as nephews of Richard Whately. Obituaries in the Catholic Times and Catholic Opinion and Tablet fail to mention Whately, but their audience was Catholic. There is a "smoking gun" reference: https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=N8yo8evG6SMC&pg=PA20.


 * CCED gives that William Sherlock Pope was ordained in 1820, as a "literatus", i.e. no degree. It is puzzling that he was at the Baxtergate Chapel (according to N&Q) but St Ninian's Church, Whitby gives that as an alternate name. So, convincing. Charles Matthews (talk) 13:52, 19 July 2024 (UTC)


 * names William Sherlock Pope an evangelical. He may have been too involved with parish work to figure in Elizabeth's life from 1820. Charles Matthews (talk) 14:09, 19 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Wow, thank you so much for so kindly doing that research. It is really helpful. It also shows Frederick Sherlock W. Pope to be somewhat more venerable that I had thought. I shall certainly use those refs that you provided. Apart from general tidying and the usual wikifying, I only have one more gap to fill, but I doubt if you would be able to help with that. At some time during his 1889–1905 watch at St Roberts, Harrogate, Canon William Pope installed a really beautiful set of Stations of the Cross reliefs around the nave.I have photographed them thoroughly, and the faces in it are (to me) clearly Italian. Canon Pope spent some years in Rome, so my guess is that he imported the artist from there (they were finished in situ in Harrogate). But finding a citation for the installation of the plaques, let alone getting the name of the artist, has so far been impossible. The current rector believes that Pope had it installed, but has no proof. I'm guessing that somewhere in the attic of the presbytery, there is a box of 1890s ledgers. But I must be patient; he is overworked already with pastoral stuff. Storye book (talk) 16:12, 19 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Always happy to discuss content. Can't help with the Stations of the Cross: could be some supplier in Italy? Charles Matthews (talk) 16:53, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, I knew you wouldn't be able to help with the Stations, but I thought you might like to see the pictures, in return for your kind help. Looking at the artwork, I believe it was an individual artist, not a mass supplier. According to the current rector, this Stations set is one of only two like it in existence, though he doesn't know where the other one is. That information has surely been handed down orally. Sigh. But I am one of those who don't dismiss oral history out of hand. Storye book (talk) 18:00, 19 July 2024 (UTC)