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"Percy (sic) Ravenstone" vs Piercy Ravenstone
Dear Charles, Hi. Hope all is well. I see you have put a little "merge" tag on Piercy Ravenstone. I am not sure what the best thing to do is. My undertanding/recollection, but I not sure, is Percy was a typo/mistake by Seligman (1903). I have had a quick look but couldn't find where or if I have got this right. I think other publications and accepted sources refer to Piercy. On this basis I think it might be better to do the merge the other way round even though Percy is longer and more detailed than the little stub I made when I stubled over Piercy. What would you suggest? (Msrasnw (talk) 22:29, 3 July 2013 (UTC))
 * Ah! Noel W. Thompson (2010), Piercy Ravenstone: Tory democrat and physiocratic anti-capitalist, in Nigel F.B. Allington, Noel W. Thompson (ed.) English, Irish and Subversives among the Dismal Scientists (Research in the History of Economic Thought and Methodology, Volume 28), Emerald Group Publishing Limited, pp.303-327 writes:
 *  “Percy [sic Ravenstone”' (Seligman, 1903, p ...] (Msrasnw (talk) 22:42, 3 July 2013 (UTC))

You have a good point. Charles Matthews (talk) 05:00, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi again, Do you think one of us might reorder the direction of the proposed merge or might you have have another suggestion? Best wishes (Msrasnw (talk) 06:15, 4 July 2013 (UTC))

It's OK if you want to swap mergefrom and mergeto. The merge takes longer. Charles Matthews (talk) 06:17, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I've swapped them down round but can't face doing the merge just yet as it would take some thought. Perhaps later but feel free! (Msrasnw (talk) 18:13, 4 July 2013 (UTC))


 * Thanks. I was actually interested in the identity behind the pseudonym (Richard Puller). That was how it came up. But I have worked a bit recently on contemporary political economists, so I'd probably look into the context too. Charles Matthews (talk) 18:16, 4 July 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't know if this is of interest - just in case you have not seen it already
 * http://oll.libertyfund.org/?option=com_staticxt&staticfile=show.php%3Ftitle=266&chapter=61589&layout=html&Itemid=27
 * [p. 45] Identification Of ‘Piercy Ravenstone, M.A.’ Ricardo refers several times with interest to the book, A few Doubts as to the Correctness of some Opinions generally entertained on the subjects of Population and Political Economy, ‘by Piercy Ravenstone, M.A.’1 It has been generally accepted that ‘Piercy Ravenstone’ is a pseudonym,2 and it is now possible to give the author’s real name.


 * A copy of A few Doubts has come to light, on the title-page of which ‘Piercy Ravenstone, M.A.’ has been crossed out, and ‘Richard Puller’ written in; ‘Puller on Political Economy’ is lettered on the spine of the binding, which is contemporary; this may well have been the author’s own copy. Another copy, which is in the Feltrinelli Library in Milan, is inscribed on the fly-leaf: ‘The real author of this book was Richard Puller, brother of Sir Christopher Puller, Chief-Justice of Bengal, and uncle of Christopher Puller, member for Hertfordshire about 1858. The present head of the family is Charles Puller, of Youngsbury, Herts.’3
 * Best wishes (Msrasnw (talk) 16:25, 5 July 2013 (UTC))

Yes thanks, it came up in Google Books for me. Charles Matthews (talk) 16:32, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Blattner's conjecture
Hi I noted that you created the article. My Google book search reveals that probably in 1972 Rajagopalan Parthasarathy proved a special case of the conjecture now known as Hotta-Parthasarathy theorem. Can you please add it to the article? I could have myself added it but not sure about the chronology or details. Thanks. The Legend  of Zorro  14:32, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Samuel Keimer
The DYK project (nominate) 16:38, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

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Badajoz
Good afternoon young Charles. I've begun working on this, a rather dark and mysterious old Moorish city which I want to know more about. Can you retrieve the page number for the 1911 article for me?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  15:16, 9 July 2013 (UTC)


 * It's p. 181. The Gutenberg scan has page numbers in the left margin; and those scans are two clicks away from 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica. Charles Matthews (talk) 15:54, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for that, or "gracias" as they'd say locally.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  18:01, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

JSTOR
Hello Charles. You might care to read this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Steven_(WMF)#Recent_JSTOR_matters:Apwoolrich (talk) 06:43, 12 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I've chipped in. Charles Matthews (talk) 07:07, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

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Jackazz needz help
Hiya. I have been busily transforming a lot of the old articles form the first volume of the Hastings Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics available at archive.org into material suitable for WikiSource, but have failed entirely to date to be able to get the first volume uploaded to the Wikimedia Commons, maybe because of length. If you knew how to do so, that would help tremendously. John Carter (talk) 20:07, 21 July 2013 (UTC)


 * The conventional place to ask for help with uploading (to Commons, and then to Wikisource) would be s:Wikisource:Scriptorium. I'm assuming you have been working with the djvu file. There are people who specialise in these manoeuvres: I'm not one of them. Charles Matthews (talk) 04:33, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

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Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:39, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Agnes C. Hall
Hello Charles. Did you see this thread? http://boards.ancestrylibrary.com/thread.aspx?o=0&m=1387.3.1.1.1.1.1.1&p=localities.britisles.scotland.rox.general

I see from her GM obit that she did translation work for the Rees article on French engravers. Maybe the Royal Literary Fund archives will have a more detailed list of what else she did. Apwoolrich (talk) 08:07, 27 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I did I think see that thread in passing: there is a limit to what one can follow up. I meant to drop you a note about her and Rees, also. The ODNB notes other things about her, in particular publication as ACH. Charles Matthews (talk) 08:33, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

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Lordship of Anholt
I have added a late-18th-century map to the Lordship of Anholt article. I believe it is the best that I can find. Maproom (talk) 10:48, 29 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Many thanks: it does give an idea. Over to the Germans now ... Charles Matthews (talk) 10:51, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

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Alexander Jamieson
Hullo Charles. There is not a lot I can usefully add to your account of him. His dictionary went into a second edition c 1832, and both may be found on IA. I had a copy of the first edition but sold it. The only thing I can remember from it was a handful of splendid coloured plates illustrating the Guilloche banknote printing system of Jacob Perkins. I don't remember who the artists and engravers were of the engineering/scientific plates. There is some biographical info about him which I don't think you have seen at http://www.ianridpath.com/atlases/jamieson.htm This has a link to a more extensive biography and a discussion of his star maps. Kind regards, Apwoolrich (talk) 15:26, 31 July 2013 (UTC)


 * That link to Ian Ridpath's page is most useful. Now if we can only find out his references ... Charles Matthews (talk) 15:35, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

I've just noticed I forgot to change my clock time, to the previous is times an hour early!Apwoolrich (talk) 15:29, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

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Lilian Faithfull
Hi Charles, I was wondering if you could find anything more substantial about her. I've nominated it for GA as I feel it covers much of what I can see in sources on her and seems technically sound for GA, short and sweet. Perhaps though you could find something to further improve it? i just want to ensure that I haven't missed anything important that's all.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  13:04, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

I gather you're busy?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  21:07, 12 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, a bit, have a visitor, went to the seaside. Charles Matthews (talk) 21:08, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

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Rationalists
I went to the recent editathon at Conway Hall and encountered the Biographical Dictionary of Modern Rationalists. I am doing some work expanding the list so thanks for creating User:Charles Matthews/McCabe. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 15:23, 23 August 2013 (UTC)


 * You're welcome. As you can see, I didn't get very far with the list, but it seemed interesting. Not entirely random question: you know about William Whiston qua natural philosopher? Charles Matthews (talk) 15:27, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

a suggestion for missing women
Thanks so much for your work on WikiProject Dictionary of National Biography/Missing women. I had an idea, which I left on its talkpage. I wonder if you've seen it? Your thoughts would be appreciated. BrainyBabe (talk) 14:31, 25 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I have replied there now. Charles Matthews (talk) 07:35, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

William Eaton, 2nd Baron Cheylesmore
Was on that DNB missing list but is now blue. I haven't looked at either DNB, I must say - maybe I should. Johnbod (talk) 00:36, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks: the original DNB is at Eaton, William Meriton (DNB12), by W. B. Owen, whom I recently identified as a staff writer for the 1912 supplement. Probably mostly based on an obituary in the Times: in any case it gives its sources. Charles Matthews (talk) 07:42, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

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DNB template
Do you have DNB Template that uses Chicago or Turabian instead of one that fouls up the consistency (q.v. WP:CITEVAR) of citations in the articles I happen to work on? Because, you know, inconsistencies get brought up at GA and FAC. I tend toward using manual cites to avoid this kind of template-caused disorder. --ColonelHenry (talk) 18:30, 29 August 2013 (UTC)


 * cite DNB supports Harvard referencing. I imagine we can have it adapted in line with any other system, if required.


 * My intentions in using it whereever possible are not to contradict WP:CITEVAR and its spirit. The first edition text of the DNB is now available on Wikisource, and it seems to me a major service to the reader to link to that. It is a matter of experimental fact that very many references to the DNB on Wikipedia have in the past been very inaccurate, to the point of defeating verifiability, one could say. It is a very complicated publication, in terms of its different editions.


 * If there is a particular instance where you believe I have broken the referencing system, please let me have a diff, and I'll see if I can understand the point. Charles Matthews (talk) 18:40, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
 * The one that came to my attention were the three edits at Delaware River, the final one being which took: Stephen, Leslie (editor). Dictionary of National Biography. (New York: The Macmillan Company, 1899) LX:344-345. and turned it into: Sidney Lee, ed. (1899). "West, Thomas (1577-1618)". Dictionary of National Biography 60. London: Smith, Elder & Co. pp. 344–345. (which doesn't match the others).  Perhaps it's time for a cite DNB2 that uses Chicago/Turabian and other systems.--ColonelHenry (talk) 19:09, 29 August 2013 (UTC)


 * A couple of tweaks done there. The little icon is switched off, and the author name is added, inverted. Charles Matthews (talk) 19:33, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Charles Smith Bird
I just ran across your fine new article of Charles Smith Bird when I was perusing New Articles. Just an FYI, your Attribution source, as you have it formatted, shows as a "Harv error: There is no link pointing to this citation. The anchor is named CITEREFLeslie_Stephen1886." If you don't see it, I'm guessing you don't have User:Ucucha/HarvErrors installed in your .js page. But I thought you might like to have the information available to you. — Maile (talk) 18:19, 30 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, I'm not attempting Harvard referencing. (In fact I disapprove of it.) So I don't immediately see the relevance. You are right that I don't have that installed in javascript. Charles Matthews (talk) 18:22, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, this is interesting. Usually the reason that error comes up is because the editor has "|harvref" in the format.  I just looked, and you certainly don't have that in there.  Being curious, I looked at Template:DNB that you're using.  Yep...that template page shows the bright red Harvref errors all over it (if you have it installed).  Interesting. Anyway, congratulations on the nice article. — Maile  (talk) 18:30, 30 August 2013 (UTC)


 * You can try that on User:PBS, who worked on the harv adaptation of the template, for WP:WP DNB. Charles Matthews (talk) 18:37, 30 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for linking me into this converstaionn Charles. Charles (S)he does not liturally mean Harvard referencing but the use of harvnb etc templates. Maile66 the templates links as provided in Charles Smith Bird work for me. So there is a problem then please explain in more detail on my talk page and I will attempt to fix it. I do not have User:Ucucha/HarvErrors installed, but will give it a go if you tell me how to do it on my talk page and when we have resolved it I'll let Charles know the outcome of the discussion and test. -- PBS (talk) 20:37, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
 * OK Charles. I have worked out what the problem is. I'll discuss it with Maile and let you know the outcome. -- PBS (talk) 20:44, 30 August 2013 (UTC)


 * The java script that Maile66 uses is really quite neat. If the ref=harv parameter is set, it will highlight those entries in the References section for which there are no inline citations that use the harv type templates. The problem that (s)he identified is that if you use the DNB template it sets ref=harv which triggers his/her script to put out a red line warning if not short citations are linked to it. This is in fact exactly the same as happens if the standard citation template is used and no harv type templates are used. As this red line only shows up if one modifies ones account to include her/his java script this is not a problem that IP or ordinary accounts flag, so it can be ignored.
 * I have left a detailed explanation as to why ref=harv is set by default in DNB and dozens of other similar Wikisource linking templates on User talk:Maile66 and as I have not received a response I assume that Maile66's worries are allayed. For the time being I am going to use this script because it does allow me to easily identify missing long citations in the references sections of articles that use harv type templates. -- PBS (talk) 10:02, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. The harv in DNB strikes me as somewhat anomalous. I have seen the use for doing inline ref --> attribution to DNB in a click. It is not a style I'd employ myself: cite DNB used inline shouldn't be problematic. Perhaps there needn't be a resolution in the short term.

We do seem to generate complex mechanisms for matching areas of text to references, and I rather hope the WMF engineers take on board the need to resolve the footnoting issue in a fundamental way. Charles Matthews (talk) 10:31, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Requests for arbitration/Brahma Kumaris
Was there ever any follow-up to this decision? Please see also this discussion, which is what triggered my interest. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:20, 7 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Six-and-a-half years is a long time here. If the question is "was the article probation lifted?", I don't know, and I don't see evidence that it was lifted. It's certainly a reasonable question. (The concision of the old Arbitration case is admirable.) Charles Matthews (talk) 16:08, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, 6.5 years is ancient history, certainly before my time. I was (pleasantly) surprised to see that you were still around and editing. The concision may have been admirable but I, like another administrator, find the decision unusual in its scope (see User:Thatcher131's comment here). I don't believe any request for clarification was ever filed (as was suggested after Thatcher's comment), although I also don't see any way to search for old clarification requests. I found the old discussion using "What links here" to the decision page. Bottom line: I don't see how to apply the decision to the article now. Maybe it no longer has any application except perhaps to permit a motion by one of the arbitrators in the case.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:47, 7 September 2013 (UTC)


 * It can be anachronistic to read old cases too closely. I think "normal" discussion procedures should be applied as far as possible. If there is a clear breakdown of traditional editing and redrafting, then an application for clarification to the ArbCom makes sense. Charles Matthews (talk) 17:51, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your thoughts.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:17, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Theophilus Dorrington: oh crumbs...
Hi Charles. And there I was, just doing the WP:NPP thing and came across a red-link for "Theophilus Dorrington", an apparently eminent non-conformist divine who... oh crumbs, I dunno, did I get it some of it right? Thanks for tidying it up. Peter in Australia aka --Shirt58 (talk) 14:46, 10 September 2013 (UTC)


 * It's OK: I'll go back to it later. He wrote a work against the Jacobite assassination plot 1696, and I've been meaning to create that for a while. Charles Matthews (talk) 14:49, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

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Charles, thanks for the notification and sorry that happened. We rely on someone else to maintain the dash script since GregU left the project ... luckily, false positives are very rare. This is disappointing that it needs a tweak to avoid double curly brackets, and will have to be manually scrutinised for this context until that occurs. I don't understand the technicalities of Michael Bednarek's fix, or where the fault lies. Tony  (talk)  06:18, 1 October 2013 (UTC)


 * OK, I don't know the scale of the problem, but I do know that the template in question is used in 10,000 places. Charles Matthews (talk) 11:55, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

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Uncertain of meaning
Dear Charles, it's a while since we've spoken. I'm not sure of a number of meanings in your post here. Specifically, "cuckoo areas within budgets", and "grassroots" (chapter voices or others?). I've watchlisted your page. Cheers. Tony  (talk)  08:49, 8 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Sorry to be opaque, then. The cuckoo reference seems appropriate to growth areas that push others "out of the nest", to the bottom of the agenda, the back of the queue for resources.


 * Grassroots: I have just spent the whole day on a Wikipedia Society stall at Cambridge University freshers' fair, signing up about 150 names. That's one kind of grassroots activity, though obviously not the only one. There have been 19 meetups in Cambridge (and there has not been a WMUK Board member at a single one). There are a few more that can claim to be trying directly to grow the community. Compare and contrast with the almost unlimited possibilities for building institutional relationships, which are seem to be relationships with the chapter. Charles Matthews (talk) 17:43, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Charles, much obliged for your explanations. Sounds like you're adding significant value on the ground, and we should be grateful. Tony   (talk)  02:54, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

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Hi Charles; I'm not very active in the English-language Wikipedia (more in the German-language one), so I feel a bit unsure about how to proceed in this case and would like to ask for your opinion and advice as you are the creator of the article Theodore Scherer-Boccard, back in 2008. Well: It seems that this article is based mainly or fully upon an article in the 1913 Catholic Encyclopedia where Scherer-Boccard's first name is anglicised to Theodore. However, he was from the German-speaking part of Switzerland and active in German-speaking countries; in all his publications his name is therefore spelt Theodor. I've recently completely rewritten and expanded the article in German-language Wikipedia (de:Theodor Scherer-Boccard), so I've consulted all the German-language literature about the man I could get, and never is his name spelt Theodore. I'm aware of the fact that English-language Wikipedia should use the spelling most commonly used in the English language. On the other hand, anglicising of names as it was done back in 1913 wouldn't be that customary nowadays, except for the Pope ;-) - as soon as you get a bit more recent, it's occuring less. For example, German politician Theodor Heuss (1884-1963) isn't called "Theodore Heuss" here. So, I'm asking myself - and you ;-) : Should we use "Theodore" here because a 1913 encylopedia's anglicised the name? Or should we use the original spelling? The matter may be complicated a bit by the fact that Scherer-Boccard isn't a particularly well-known figure nowadays in English-speaking countries, so we would have a hard time determining a "prevalent spelling" (I daresay he's somewhat obscure by now even in his native Switzerland). Oh, and another issue: If we use Theodor Scherer-Boccard, there's also the matter of Theodor Scherer - where we currently get a German divisional commander. However, Theodor Scherer without the -Boccard is also a valid alternative for "our" Scherer, as he was called just Theodor Scherer prior to 1868 (his marriage to Marie Louise de Boccard). So, what kind of disambiguation would you suggest? I think one is even needed if we decide to keep the spelling Theodore. Gestumblindi (talk) 21:01, 15 October 2013 (UTC)


 * In the Catholic Encyclopedia, it seems that personal names were anglicised as a matter of principle, wherever possible. So that is a kind of artefact of their editorial policy. Theodor would be OK here, I think. I did a Google Books search, and "Theodor Scherer-Boccard" is a common form there. So I have moved the page, which is now at Theodor Scherer-Boccard. Charles Matthews (talk) 04:35, 16 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot! For now, I added a disambiguation hatnote to Theodor Scherer - however, I'm not sure whether he should be considered the "primary topic" or if a disambiguation page would be the better solution. Thanks also for uploading a photograph (heliogravure) to Commons and adding it to the article. You may have noticed that I uploaded the same photograph from a different source locally in the German Wikipedia - that's because I couldn't gather sufficient data about date and authorship (I don't know who took it) to claim for sure that the photographer died more than 70 years ago, but also wasn't sure that it really is an anonymous work - for Commons, it must be either anonymous (and published more than 70 years ago for the EU, as well as published before 1923 for the US) or then a known photographer must be dead for more than 70 years. So I thought there was some danger of deletion on Commons, and used a local exception of German-language Wikipedia for images that are older than 100 years and where the creator's date of death can't be ascertained after diligent research. All I knew at this point was that it was on a carte de visite of Scherer's time (with a publisher who died in 1908) and reproduced in books of 1949 and 1992. Now your upload says 1874, which seems a bit too early to me for a heliogravure resp. photogravure - I think the process wasn't really widely used before the 1878/1879 development by Karel Klic (although there were earlier experiments, see article), and most heliogravures I've seen are not older than the 1880s. So I think the 1874 dating may be wrong for the heliogravure; it may, however, be the year when the original photograph was taken - still, an ebay description isn't a very good source ;-) Still... even if the photo is from 1874, there is still a possibility that it's still protected. If the photographer was a young man in 1874, say aged 25, and died a nonagenarian... Gestumblindi (talk) 12:02, 16 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, I realise that eBay is not a good source! But if it is a real problem there, I will upload it here, in the same way. I noticed at the end of the article the reference to Mayer, Graf Theodor Scherer-Boccard. Ein Beitrag zur Geschichte der katholischen Bewegung in der Schweiz (Einsiedeln, 1900), with portrait. I was going to ask if you had seen this book. Charles Matthews (talk) 13:38, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, I have seen this 1900 book - the portrait there is a wood engraving (I think) which is apparently based on the same photograph as the ebay heliogravure. At the wood engraving, the printing company where the engraving was done (Benziger) is mentioned, but that's not very helpful for us, too... However, I think your scan probably can stay at Commons. Maybe I was overcautious... though there is a possibility that the photograph is still copyrighted, it seems rather unlikely, and also Switzerland (as the likely country of origin - though I don't know where the photo was made; the carte de visite surprisingly mentions a Breslau - in Lower Silesia, now Poland - publisher, but that doesn't necessarily mean the photo was made there)... what was I going to write? Shouldn't make that long parentheses... oh yes, Switzerland as the likely country of origin has a high threshold of originality for photos, meaning that simple portrait photos may not be protected at all in Switzerland. Gestumblindi (talk) 14:31, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

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Seeking your advice
This morning I received an email from the CEO of Shift Communications asking if they should have a Wikipedia page. He is an acquaintance of mine and he has given me some "free publicity" on his very influential blog. (trying to avoid outing myself with too much detail).

You may remember (or not) from when we talked a long time ago that I run a Wikipedia consultancy focused on ethics. However, I told him I wasn't comfortable accepting Shift as a client, because I have substantially edited so many articles on his competitors in my volunteer role. I also organically mentioned them in History of public relations for their role in inventing the social media release.

Anyways, I threw together a quick article on them today at User:CorporateM/Shift. I told him I would take a look in my volunteer role - meaning they don't have any input and the content is not approved by them, etc. etc. I also ended up mentioning The Hoffman Agency in the article, who I use to work for about 5 years ago and still maintain relationships with.

Sooo.... Do I have a COI and if so, I wonder how I should handle it... CorporateM (Talk) 02:21, 31 October 2013 (UTC)


 * On that basis, I don't see your conflict of interest. Going forward, you would have to be a restrained editor of the article, naturally. Charles Matthews (talk) 05:19, 31 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Cool, I posted it and will edit cautiously if at all. I advised Todd to seek any corrections, etc. on the Talk page and figured if they do so I will ask another editor if they can handle it. Apparently they were getting frustrated that many of their competitors have pages, which are often self-written and promotional. PR topics and agencies are sort of my "beat" on Wikipedia, but I don't want anyone to think I'm handing out professional favors to all my "buddies" or any such thing. CorporateM (Talk) 12:41, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

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Alexander Dicsone
I have long been intending to create at least a stub page for this interesting if shadowy figure. Returning to the subject today, I see that you created an article a week ago - but the article that you've created is far more informative and with better references than those I had to hand. Thanks, AllyD (talk) 14:54, 17 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, thank you. Like much of my work, it was driven by an encounter with the DNB, but in this case at a couple of removes (was working on List of Elizabethan succession tracts).


 * The spelling is taken from the ODNB, as you probably guessed. There is more about the Scottish goings-on in the ODNB article; also the Stevenson book gets quite circumstantial about the spying. I wrote up more of things that fell closer to my personal interests, such as the anti-Ramism. Charles Matthews (talk) 14:59, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, when I'd considered creating a stub, the spelling had been one disincentive - which to use?! On a whim, I just checked the baptismal records. To the extent that they are legible to me, he appears to have been born 2 Jan 1558 to Alexander Dicksone and Margarit Hay (either that or 2 January was the baptism). But a stronger reading of period writing than mine would be needed before calling that fact. AllyD (talk) 15:17, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Richard Wolin


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 * Sources added, PROD removed. Charles Matthews (talk) 07:20, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Ways to improve George Adams (optician, younger)
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I've just tagged the page, using our page curation tools, as having some issues to fix. Not sure if this article meets the notability guideline. In order to solve this problem, the article needs to be improved and more quality references added

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 * I don't see that notability is an issue. George Adams (optician, younger) features in the Dictionary of National Biography, a standard work. He wrote a number of books, as you can see. He was noted as an instrument maker: here's a quote from the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography: "Between 1785 and 1792 he supplied numerous instruments to Martinus van Marum for Teyler's Foundation at Haarlem in the Netherlands, most of which survive, and other continental institutions including the University of Coimbra, in Portugal."


 * I have untagged the page. Thank you for your maintenance efforts, but I find them misplaced in this case. Charles Matthews (talk) 09:24, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

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