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DNB biographies
Hi, it seems that I am somewhat inadvertently working my way through your list of yet-to-be-created Royal Navy DNB articles! I'm currently writing up Policarpus Taylor, which I note is now more commonly spelt as Polycarpus Taylor, and also have a rough draft going for Sir Andrew Leake. When Wilson Rathborne is eventually created it might actually appear as Wilson Rathbone, too. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 09:24, 11 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Whether intentional or not, I'm grateful for your time and trouble. That list was created from the list of DNB articles by John Knox Laughton, who was the major naval writer. When we reached the point of 80% of the old DNB topics represented here, that seemed to be a big milestone in terms of inclusion of its major content. But there are still some further interesting articles: I'm working on one such today. Charles Matthews (talk) 09:38, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

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 * Shrug. I created the redirect in 2005. Sect Shinto now exists. Charles Matthews (talk) 11:24, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Thomas Lister, 2nd Baron Ribblesdale
Please undelete Thomas Lister, 2nd Baron Ribblesdale. The deletion did not meet any of Wikipedia's criteria for speedy deletion, so should have been listed at WP:RFD, and on it's own merits it seems like a reasonable redirect. The correct solution to the circular redirect is to unlink it, not delete things out-of-process. * Pppery * it has begun... 04:28, 23 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Per WP:REDLINK, "Remove red links if and only if Wikipedia should not have an article on the subject". You make a process point, I make a policy point. The section Baron Ribblesdale already had a redlink for the 3rd Baron. These Barons were entitled to sit in the House of Lords and would typically be considered notable for that reason alone. Charles Matthews (talk)
 * Sigh. That has nothing to do with Deletion policy, and does not make the deletion any more appropriate. Here we go ... * Pppery * it has begun... 16:27, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

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 * Really odd process we have, considering you are referring to a redirect I created in 2005. Charles Matthews (talk) 03:05, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

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I am delighted to see an article on the Grand Allies at last. I have come across references to them in the Tanfield Railway and Causey Arch articles, but I was disappointed that they were not wikilinked. I even thought of starting an article on my own, but I was rather limited to online resources, and most of those seemed to be blogs and hobby sites - not meaning to be disparaging, but not quite what WP wants. You are very much better equipped than I am. Now I shall settle down and enjoy the article that I wished for. -- Verbarson talkedits 20:19, 26 January 2023 (UTC)


 * I'm glad you like it - a complex topic. I came across it last year when I was writing about William Russell (banker). I hope I can do it some sort of justice. Charles Matthews (talk) 06:14, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

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 * Conversion of old Catholic Encyclopedia article, already deprodded by another editor. Charles Matthews (talk) 06:32, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

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 * Conversion of old Catholic Encyclopedia article, already deprodded by another editor. Charles Matthews (talk) 06:32, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

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 * Now John Kidgell. Charles Matthews (talk) 07:01, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

April 2023
Welcome to Wikipedia. We appreciate your contributions, but in one of your recent edits, it appears that you have added original research, which is against Wikipedia's policies. Original research refers to material—such as facts, allegations, ideas, and personal experiences—for which no reliable, published sources exist; it also encompasses combining published sources in a way to imply something that none of them explicitly say. Please be prepared to cite a reliable source for all of your contributions. You can have a look at the tutorial on citing sources. Thank you. Fram (talk) 10:54, 6 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Well, I have been here for nearly 20 years now. If you have a problem with one of my recent edits, I shall try to rectify it in accordance with WP:NOR, a policy with which I'm familiar. Could you be more specific? My experiences with William Gellibrand (settler) are that WP:RS has to be applied very carefully, and I tend to use contorted language rather than cite low-class references. I will change that if necessary, but you are not telling me much. I suggest a talk page message for the article in question. Charles Matthews (talk) 11:00, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Looking at the newly created version of the article, you insert some sources which seem to be completely unverifiable (" South arm peninsula and convict trail" and "Pioneers of South Arm Tasmania, builders of the Anglican Church of St.Barnabas, Wiltshire, Lorraine. " are both impossible to find with the information given). But my comments were about the version now at draft. Something like "That the Rev. Joseph Gellibrand was married to Elizabeth Tice, and that William Gellibrand was their son, is confirmed by family records on p. 289 of the dissertation Tasmanian family and community reconstitution (2006) by Neil Kay Chick. (But where on p.290 it is stated that Thomas Lloyd Gellibrand was christened 1820 "by his grandfather, Joseph Gellibrand, pastor of the Edmonton, Middlesex, England Presbyterian congregation" that is clearly wrong", Joseph Gellibrand (died 1806) being his great-grandfather.) " should never be put in a mainspace article? The same goes for "If Joseph Gellibrand took up the place of minister at Edmonton c.1788, as the monumental inscription suggests, that is compatible with his being at Newington Green from 1785 to 1787; and if William Gellibrand preached there during that time, that is compatible with his being the son of Joseph Gellibrand. " That whole long section, trying to reconstruct the early life of the subject, is good for a primary source, not for enwiki though. Fram (talk) 11:06, 6 April 2023 (UTC)


 * } To explain a bit more: I was working on Draft:William Clarke Gellibrand, and realised that the identity of his paternal grandfather was not simply verifiable. I'm not clear why, but to respect WP:V I built up information first there. I rewrote the information there, to clarify it there. And then I developed further material in Draft:William Gellibrand (settler). I can see that my creation of William Gellibrand (settler) just now was a mistake - I lost concentration because of dealing with some phone calls I had to deal with. I apologise for the confusion that has caused.


 * You have a point about the language used in the (second or third) draft - these things are more suitable for hidden comments. I shall try to rewrite the existing draft, on the basis that the Chick reference validates the basic relatiionship. Charles Matthews (talk) 11:21, 6 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Obviously, there is no issue with such language in drafts, that's one of their purposes after all, to crystallize the sources. Fram (talk) 11:27, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Indeed. Let me note a few further things. You made a cross-namespace move redraftifying my article displaying under construction before alerting me to a problem here. I don't think that is good practice. I was in the middle of editing that article, which is why there was an article remaining in mainspace that was puzzling (not least to me). You used a stock message here addressing me as a newbie, which I'm not and as you know since we've had many dealings before. I could have added in use, which is not my habit because I have found under construction is generally respected. I'm left wondering if in use would have been respected.

I do not see that you have respected WP:DRAFTIFY parts 3, in fact. Your comment about recent edits seem to imply that. Charles Matthews (talk) 11:50, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * You are an autopatrolled admin. You shouldn't put OR in the mainspace, no matter what tag you put on the article. "Under construction" isn't a get-out-of-jail card, neither is "in use". It is fine for incomplete pages, showing that e.g. a lack of cats, references, essential parts of content, ... will be added. It is not a way to keep OR in the mainspace. If, as was clear here (and as you indicated in your previous message), you are basically researching the subject in real time, writing down your thoughts and doubts, then you should do that in draftspace or a sandbox. That some bullet point of an essay wasn't followed when draftifying doesn't really bother me. Is there are actual, not wikilawyering, reason why you have an issue with the draftifying? Was my reasoning incorrect, didn't your page contain OR (and in the current mainspace version unverifiable sources)? Fram (talk) 12:07, 6 April 2023 (UTC)


 * So, I dealt with your comments on content on their merit. You are really not prepared to deal with my comments on process in the same way. I'll let others decide on Wikilawyering here. The fact is that you could have simply left a message here with a note of the issue raised. WP:5P4. Charles Matthews (talk) 12:29, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry that your ego has been bruised by having your article draftified. It apparently wasn't the respect you deserved somehow. I didn't leave a note as I thought you, who "have been here for nearly 20 years now", would know enough about "WP:NOR, a policy with which I'm familiar." that you didn't need being spoonfed what the issues were, and that a general template indicating that the issue was OR would be sufficient. I guess I was wrong. By the way, I have removed copyvio from your mainspace version of the article, and tagged it for cleanup as one of the three sources is completely unfindable from the info provided. There was apparently no specific tag for "source is unverifiable", so I used cleanup instead. Fram (talk) 12:37, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

On the content of William Gellibrand (settler): the paras about Australia were imported verbatim and in good faith from St Barnabas Church and Cemetery, South Arm, Tasmania, to establish a section. I had every intention of working over them. There is a great deal more in the Sadler reference, which I looked at in the library yesterday.

As for my ego - it is funny, considering all that has happened since 2003 here, that anyone should think it could be bruised. Really, though, if I actually were a newbie, I could find your approach off-putting. In fact it is bad for business, and this point has been made to you. Charles Matthews (talk) 12:45, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

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 * Errr, not the intended effect? Charles Matthews (talk) 05:04, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
 * lol. It's a good thing (I think)
 * There are days, wandering these pag-ed halls that I sometimes feel like such an old-timer. So I guess you have the (dubious?) distinction of making me feel not quite so old.
 * And now writing that out, now I feel like I might owe you an apology - lol
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As the author of this article, I thought you should be consulted before I edited it to address some spelling variations that I wasn't sure how best to incorporate (or whether to incorporate them at all), or perhaps let you do it instead (should it be desirable to do so). In reviewing this copy of The Accedence of Armorie, edition of 1597, I see that the title contains two differences from the 1562 version (at least as cited by Internet Archive and in the Wikipedia article; the Oxford English Dictionary gives "Armorie" rather than "Armory" with date of 1562 under "sardonyx"). Easy enough to state that the title is variously spelled "Accedens/Accedence" and "Armory/Armorie". But the author's name is also spelled "Leigh" in the 1597 edition. Since he died not long after publishing the 1562 edition, I don't know whether this is a proper emendation or a hypercorrection. As a result, I don't know whether it should also be noted in the article—although I suspect it should. I consider myself a dabbler in heraldry, so I've never read this work before, and know nothing about the author besides what's in his article. So I'd like to ask your advice before making any additions concerning these variations, and perhaps defer to you if you'd like to incorporate them in some way, or think it would be a mistake to do so. P Aculeius (talk) 18:50, 25 July 2023 (UTC)


 * So the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography calls him "Legh [Leigh], Gerard". I think the name variant Leigh can be mentioned. As for the book, I'm seeing interesting hits in JSTOR for "Accedens of Armory". In particular Robert Dudley and the Inner Temple Revels, The Historical Journal, Vol. 13, No. 3 (Sep., 1970), pp. 365-378 by Marie Axton. (Why no article for her? Important scholar.)


 * What's in the ODNB about Legh is fairly tentative. It could be buttressed by some recent scholarship, maybe. The author's intention in the book might be a more worthwhile discussion. Charles Matthews (talk) 19:13, 25 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Draft:Marie Axton now exists. The Gorboduc section gives a brief version of the relevance of Legh's book. Charles Matthews (talk) 14:20, 26 July 2023 (UTC)


 * That's really impressive for one day's work—or at least it is to me! The level of scholarship goes far beyond my technical interest in heraldry, or the extent of my knowledge of late Tudor intrigues—and I will have to think very carefully about how or what to add to the Legh article, although I suggest that perhaps you would be the right person to do so, as you can appreciate the importance of the masque included in The Accedens of Armory to history better than I can, in light of the fact that it seems to have been overlooked until recent times.
 * For that matter, I would have to take your word for what the draft says, as the details here are beyond my meagre scholarship—I haven't read any of the papers or discussions involved. But the draft certainly looks ready for mainspace, even if it's not complete or polished by your standards; just skimming it, it looks better than most "finished" articles I've read.
 * Really, I only came here because I wondered about the variant spellings of Legh's name and the title of his book, which I only noticed when identifying him as the earliest source provided for "sardonyx" as the gem-equivalent of the heraldic colour sanguine according to the Oxford English Dictionary in a discussion for Wiktionary, after I found the 1597 printing online and read what it had to say about sanguine and tenné... you might say that I was doing some wikignoming due to my interest in heraldry. But having read the new article, I'm not at all confident about how best to incorporate any of it into the Legh article.  I think that would be better left up to an editor who's read the papers in question and knows which ones to cite and how.  P Aculeius (talk) 02:48, 27 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the compliment. I just sit at a desk, use search engines, and collate what I find. In relation to Accedens of Armory, what is indicated is that the author's intention was probably mostly political and precise, rather than just a general idea of providing an introduction to heraldry. But saying so in terms might infringe against WP:OR. You should go ahead and edit Gerard Legh as you see fit, and I'll get round to expanding the article at some later point. (These days I use the DrawShield heraldry software, see my uploads to Commons: another whole business.) Charles Matthews (talk) 05:51, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Anderson baronets of St Ives (1629)


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 * I am opposing this PROD. See Give an article a chance. This is a classic case. There is good information on all baronetcies in Cokayne, The Complete Baronetage, which is an ongoing project on Wikisource. The article has one standard reference already. Charles Matthews (talk) 07:07, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

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Tony Dickinson and Anthony R. Dickinson
Hello Charles, I just wanted to drop a quick courtesy note to explain why I reverted your edit of Anthony R. Dickinson (removing the "may not be notable academic" tag). In short, there are two Tony Dickinsons! It seems there has been a long-running confusion in which Anthony R. Dickinson was presumed to be the FRS and all such links/templates were pointed to that article. In fact, it's a totally different person. The FRS is really Tony Dickinson. I think I have cleaned up all the templates and "backlinks" etc now, but I might have missed something. With thanks, 45154james (talk) 10:13, 26 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the clarification. I have fixed up the Wikidata item also. Charles Matthews (talk) 10:24, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

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Richard Peacocke
Hi, I'm looking at writing up Vice-Admiral Richard Peacocke, and saw that the article name already exists as a redirect for Richard Pococke, created by yourself. "Peacocke" doesn't appear once in the article, and I was wondering whether the redirect is most useful there, or if the title could be used without disambiguation for the other article? Thanks, Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 02:52, 13 January 2024 (UTC)


 * That redirect is used on Ashtiname of Muhammad. You can create a new article from it, but please pipe the wikilink from that page when you do so. Charles Matthews (talk) 06:36, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

London meetup bicententary
FYI, the 200th London Meetup is happening tomorrow, Sunday 14 January. You may be interested as you were present at the very first one (pictured)! Note that it is now at Penderel's Oak on High Holborn by the Great Turnstile. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:49, 13 January 2024 (UTC)


 * I remember it well. I was the first one to go up to Jimbo and introduce myself. (I said I had won the Jimmy Wales look-alike competition.) Charles Matthews (talk) 13:56, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

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An issue for you to consider
Hello, Charles. As part of some editing I did earlier today, I came across this edit summary which mentions a reputable organisation of which I am myself a member. The ACS is The Association of Cricket Statisticians and Historians. I have spoken to three of my colleagues in the meantime and we all agree that these odious remarks are lies which defame our reputation. The ACS is not a tabloid newspaper and we do not "discredit" people who write about cricket. Indeed, so far as the work in question is concerned, we serialised it in several issues of our quarterly journal in 2006! If that is discrediting someone's work, what must we do to show approval?

My friends and I agreed that, as a first step, I should approach the responsible party to seek an explanation. However, he appears to have become inactive and I wonder if this could be because he has been held to account by yourself for his many failures to observe WP:PRESERVE, something that we as cricket writers were already well aware of? Although we research and publish our own material, we want WP:CRIC to succeed because of the site's wide circulation which may encourage more cricket fans to become researchers. That will only happen if WP:CRIC's members work together and respect both each other and the site's policies. This individual, however, drives people away. We could, with research, provide a long list of condescending, belittling, and bullying edit summary comments which have targeted mainly new editors, including two I know personally who now refuse to edit this site (and one of them is a journalist who happens to be very adept at research and writing).

As you can see, the edit summary I found was written on 2 August 2021. If it had been a one-off, we could perhaps believe that it was done in momentary frustration, but it was not a one-off. In fact, he used the same summary SIXTEEN times on that day, and perhaps on other days too. As far as we are concerned, it is completely unacceptable, and it is the tip of an iceberg. That editor has made countless insults over many years and we are left wondering how he can have got away with it for so long.

Is there any way you, as an administrator, can revert or erase insulting edit summaries? We are not concerned about removal of the source from the article because so much goes unsourced that it does not matter to us as readers. If he had deleted the citation and made no comment we would not even notice, but he cannot be allowed to summarise his edits by insulting other people.

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 * Thanks for getting in touch.


 * Let me explain first that edit summaries are not something that normal editing can change. Any modification would require something like developer access.


 * Let me also say that I don't assume User:Blue Square Thing has left Wikipedia: something they wrote above the section you mention on User talk:Blue Square Thing suggests only a break. Of course it was not my intention to make the editor leave.


 * If at some future point Blue Square Thing returns to editing, and you wish to pursue the matter you raise about use of edit summaries, you should have a look at Dispute resolution requests, and the way conduct disputes can be handled. I'd be happy to advise. Charles Matthews (talk) 17:00, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Okay, Charles. That is fair enough. I did expect that removing a summary would be problematic. I'll set the issue aside for now and see what develops. Thank you for your time and best wishes. Batagur baska (talk) 17:08, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

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Ely Hargrove
Hello Charles Matthews, since you created the article, I was wondering if this image would be an option to add to the article. Cheers. Lotje (talk) 16:55, 9 March 2024 (UTC)


 * I have cleaned up that image, and used it to replace File:St Roberts Chapel Knaresborough Bewick.jpg in the article. Since the definition of the image is better, this may be a good idea. Charles Matthews (talk) 07:54, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

RFA2024 update: no longer accepting new proposals in phase I
Hey there! This is to let you know that phase I of the 2024 requests for adminship (RfA) review is now no longer accepting new proposals. Lots of proposals remain open for discussion, and the current round of review looks to be on a good track towards making significant progress towards improving RfA's structure and environment. I'd like to give my heartfelt thanks to everyone who has given us their idea for change to make RfA better, and the same to everyone who has given the necessary feedback to improve those ideas. The following proposals remain open for discussion:


 * Proposal 2, initiated by, provides for the addition of a text box at Requests for adminship reminding all editors of our policies and enforcement mechanisms around decorum.
 * Proposals 3 and 3b, initiated by and, respectively, provide for trials of discussion-only periods at RfA. The first would add three extra discussion-only days to the beginning, while the second would convert the first two days to discussion-only.
 * Proposal 5, initiated by, provides for a trial of RfAs without threaded discussion in the voting sections.
 * Proposals 6c and 6d, initiated by, provide for allowing users to be selected as provisional admins for a limited time through various concrete selection criteria and smaller-scale vetting.
 * Proposal 7, initiated by, provides for the "General discussion" section being broken up with section headings.
 * Proposal 9b, initiated by, provides for the requirement that allegations of policy violation be substantiated with appropriate links to where the alleged misconduct occured.
 * Proposals 12c, 21, and 21b, initiated by, , and , respectively, provide for reducing the discretionary zone, which currently extends from 65% to 75%. The first would reduce it 65%–70%, the second would reduce it to 50%–66%, and the third would reduce it to 60%–70%.
 * Proposal 13, initiated by, provides for periodic, privately balloted admin elections.
 * Proposal 14, initiated by, provides for the creation of some minimum suffrage requirements to cast a vote.
 * Proposals 16 and 16c, initiated by and, respectively, provide for community-based admin desysop procedures. 16 would desysop where consensus is established in favor at the administrators' noticeboard; 16c would allow a petition to force reconfirmation.
 * Proposal 16e, initiated by, would extend the recall procedures of 16 to bureaucrats.
 * Proposal 17, initiated by, provides for "on-call" admins and 'crats to monitor RfAs for decorum.
 * Proposal 18, initiated by, provides for lowering the RfB target from 85% to 75%.
 * Proposal 24, initiated by, provides for a more robust alternate version of the optional candidate poll.
 * Proposal 25, initiated by, provides for the requirement that nominees be extended-confirmed in addition to their nominators.
 * Proposal 27, initiated by, provides for the creation of a training course for admin hopefuls, as well as periodic retraining to keep admins from drifting out of sync with community norms.
 * Proposal 28, initiated by, tightens restrictions on multi-part questions.

To read proposals that were closed as unsuccessful, please see Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I/Closed proposals. You are cordially invited once again to participate in the open discussions; when phase I ends, phase II will review the outcomes of trial proposals and refine the implementation details of other proposals. Another notification will be sent out when this phase begins, likely with the first successful close of a major proposal. Happy editing! theleekycauldron (talk • she/her), via:

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ITMA
Despite my chucking bricks in your direction, please allow me to say how much I admire you as an editor.  Tim riley  talk   20:21, 23 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Understood. The ITMA page will ultimately see some improvement. Charles Matthews (talk) 08:01, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Nonsuch Palace
Since you created the article, please can you arrange to correct an error in the current version? Paragraph one states "Nonsuch Palace (SNIP) was completed in 1538." But paragraph five states "Construction had been substantially carried out by 1541, but it took several more years to complete." I lack the knowledge to correct it myself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JMBryant (talk • contribs) 14:43, 25 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Thank you for pointing out this error. It was introduced in March 2023. My contribution was a redirect in 2004. Still, I have fixed it - all in day's work. Charles Matthews (talk) 15:25, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Ta! James JMBryant (talk) 10:22, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

"Category of tangles" listed at Redirects for discussion
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Ethics Workshop Participation Request
Hi! We're conducting a series of participatory workshops with Wikipedia editors, administrators, researchers, and Wikimedia employees to discuss, and hopefully improve, Wikipedia's structures for online research (see meta research page). In an effort to get the right people in the room to discuss these topics, I'm reaching out here to see if you are interested in participating as an active administrator. We'd work with you to ensure this workshop can fit into your schedule, but are targeting end of April/early May. I'm happy to discuss any of these topics further here or on our talk page. Zentavious (talk) 16:26, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Domvile baronets (1815 creation)
Your edit (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Domvile_baronets_(1815_creation)&diff=next&oldid=1201901806) left a partial reference:

Can you fix it? Thanks. 76.14.122.5 (talk) 19:33, 5 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Fixed, thx. Charles Matthews (talk) 08:41, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Nomination of Talk:Chinese opening for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Talk:Chinese opening is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Talk:Chinese opening until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished. Linziyu1823 (talk) 05:13, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Unitarian trick
Hi Charles, there's a comment over at Talk:Unitarian_trick regarding an addition of yours. Could you take a look? Cheers, AxelBoldt (talk) 17:22, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

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Hello A Simple Question
Hello how are you? @Charles Matthews I am a new editor and I am trying to understand the policies well in this encyclopedia.

Is it possible for you to give me your opinion on this page User:Charlessmith9/sandbox and can it be in the main space after your review and adding your appropriate modifications

Also, this is a voluntary edit for the sake of transparency and objectivity.

Thank you very much.

Charlessmith9 (talk) 14:35, 25 April 2024 (UTC)


 * There are a number of problems with your sandbox draft. For example the phrase "He obtained his Ph.D. with distinction in electrical and computer engineering from Dalhousie University, Canada." is copied directly from the reference . All material from sources should be paraphrased for Wikipedia: always use your own words. The phrases "led the vision", "developing a roadmap", "implementing a comprehensive mechanism", "creating a platform" are the way businesspeople talk. According to WP:EPSTYLE, the tone here should "remain formal, impersonal, and dispassionate".


 * You should start with the basic point: Fahad Saad Abu-Mouti set up the water regulator in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Then you should add details for which you can find good references.


 * By the way, the link Saudi in the lead section is strange, and you need to pay attention to punctuation. Charles Matthews (talk) 14:56, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi @Charles Matthews can you check the article again and let me know your idea and if there are some problems can you help me with these and thanks Charlessmith9 (talk) 15:04, 25 April 2024 (UTC)


 * The article still needs a great deal of work. About the water regulator: what happened? When did it happen? Why did it happen? How did it happen? These are the questions that a journalist would ask. A list of official positions held is not a story. Charles Matthews (talk) 15:27, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * you are are right can you please check some references and help me with this article if you have the time Charlessmith9 (talk) 15:33, 25 April 2024 (UTC)


 * I think you should do some more research, yourself. Charles Matthews (talk) 15:34, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * OK I will do that Charlessmith9 (talk) 05:37, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks! Charles Matthews (talk) 17:15, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

"D-bar operator" listed at Redirects for discussion
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Hi Charles
Hello Charles, how are you? I hope you can take a look at this page and consider deleting it. I believe this person hasn’t done anything noteworthy to warrant a page; they just received an award on Wikipedia, and most of the sources are from local blogs Thank you Editorahmad (talk) 02:59, 27 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Take it to a deletion process. Charles Matthews (talk) 08:18, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
 * how i can do that ? and what is your idea? @Charles Matthews Editorahmad (talk) 09:11, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
 * G11 ? or what is the best reason for this page to deletion process ? Editorahmad (talk) 09:16, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Well, I think you are wasting my time here. Charles Matthews (talk) 09:22, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Cite Victoria County History
Template:Cite Victoria County History has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Rjjiii (talk) 18:23, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Nomination of List of mathematical theories for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article List of mathematical theories is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/List of mathematical theories until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished. D.Lazard (talk) 08:50, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

RFA2024 update: phase I concluded, phase II begins
Hi there! Phase I of the Requests for adminship/2024 review has concluded, with several impactful changes gaining community consensus and proceeding to various stages of implementation. Some proposals will be implemented in full outright; others will be discussed at phase II before being implemented; and still others will proceed on a trial basis before being brought to phase II. The following proposals have gained consensus:

See the project page for a full list of proposals and their outcomes. A huge thank-you to everyone who has participated so far :) looking forward to seeing lots of hard work become a reality in phase II. theleekycauldron (talk), via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 08:08, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Proposals 2 and 9b (phase II discussion): Add a reminder of civility norms at RfA and Require links for claims of specific policy violations
 * Proposal 3b (in trial): Make the first two days discussion-only
 * Proposal 13 (in trial): Admin elections
 * Proposal 14 (implemented): Suffrage requirements
 * Proposals 16 and 16c (phase II discussion): Allow the community to initiate recall RfAs and Community recall process based on dewiki
 * Proposal 17 (phase II discussion): Have named Admins/crats to monitor infractions
 * Proposal 24 (phase II discussion): Provide better mentoring for becoming an admin and the RfA process
 * Proposal 25 (implemented): Require nominees to be extended confirmed

Subject about article
Hi @Charles Matthews can you see and check my sandbox please i think this article is good i want know your opinion

thank you Skymansky3 (talk) 09:13, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Your article doesn't have the required type of referencing. See WP:INTREF4. Self-published contributions to sites aren't enough. Charles Matthews (talk) 09:29, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Charles Matthews Is there a chance to be in the draft? Can you do that? Skymansky3 (talk) 09:34, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Frankly, the draft needs to rewritten completely. At present there is hardly a sentence in it that belongs in Wikipedia. Charles Matthews (talk) 09:40, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * if you have time can you put some edits please in it that belongs in Wikipedia Skymansky3 (talk) 09:44, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Sorry, you have not shown the notability of the topic. Charles Matthews (talk) 09:46, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your time Skymansky3 (talk) 09:49, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

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