User talk:Charles Sturm/February 2008

Tripoli, Greece
I want that TURKISH childern and women and women Tripolis to be remembered —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.243.235.227 (talk • contribs) 00:59, 2 February 2008

SVD collaboration
(reply to you post)

Not yet. I've mentioned the problem on the talk page. It is a notable experiment, so it *could* have an article. I've asked that someone do so on the talk page. I don't like disambig pages with tons of red-links, but an important meaning not covered by the other links should be mentioned. JackSchmidt (talk) 15:47, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
 * For sorting by popularity, this is just approximate, right? I was very surprised by how many articles linked to SVD .  Apparently adding "SVD" at the end of the name of members is extremely common, and apparently it is a big group (or at least has many fans on wikipeda).  It is certainly in approximately the right place, but I just wanted to be sure you were more fixing "trance music DJ" being above the million+ ghit of singular value decomp, and the several hundred thousand ghit of the rifle, rather than systematically sorting them.  Like how certain are we about the ordering of the water vapor versus natural birth versus a pig disease?  I am not very certain, but I don't think it is a problem.
 * I added glosses to each of the entries, usually taken from the first sentence of the article. They may need style fixups too.  Writing so incredibly briefly is quite hard. JackSchmidt (talk) 16:00, 2 February 2008 (UTC)


 * The ordering is purely by Google page rankings of Wikipedia article entries. There's nothing sacrosanct about it if you want to tweak things.  I'd go easy on the glosses, however. The idea is to connect people from what they type into a search box to the article they want to find (like redirects, but using a different kind of mapping); there just needs to be enough info to tell one SVD from another, without being too heavy on the detail.


 * I'll take a look at it after. I'm working on a bio stub at the moment. --Sturm 16:10, 2 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for pointing out the clear guidelines at WP:DAB and MOS:DAB. I've corrected a number of my errors and I think I'll go ahead and create the SVD (high energy physics) stub, since that fits the manual more closely than the unlinked line (I put a red link in the meantime to remind me; I hate redlinks).  Thanks for correcting just a slew of MOS type style errors.  I thought you were just correcting the clunky style of the freestyle that had been there for quite some time. JackSchmidt (talk) 18:36, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the humor
Just to be clear, I thought "tinfoil crown" and pwnage were hilarious and right on target, in context. As the great Molly Ivins said, "Tell them how much fun it was!" - Dan Dank55 (talk) 14:11, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Glad you enjoyed it. I'm just not sure the proposed change will produce anything concrete in terms of the concerns raised. Still, we'll see. --Sturm 14:22, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Cheers
For the user talkpage revert. It was very much appreciated :) AngelOfSadness  talk  22:59, 6 February 2008 (UTC)


 * You are most welcome. --Sturm 23:03, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

24 Characters
I would like to request that you not remove the construction and revamping tag from the 24 character articles. They are in the process of being worked on, and since you've not been at all involved in the active discussions about these articles, I would request that you become more familiar with the issues before you start pulling tags without any discussion. Angelriver (talk) 23:25, 8 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Applying Underconstruction to an article that's barely been touched in days, and then not touching the article again for some more days, is not really appropriate, which is why I removed it; it's intended for articles that are actively being edited ("undergoing a major editing process"). If you want to indicate that the articles are under discussion, surely there's a better tag? --Sturm 23:45, 8 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm not the editor who added the tag, however, we've been through a war because of these articles and we're currently under mediation for several of the articles, Nadia Yassar included. The article is being investigated for notability and possible rewriting to keep it from being merged with all the Minor 24 Characters, and by consensus of the active editors, we all decided on an end-of-month deadline to complete our work. As I said before, unless you're familiar with all of the issues regarding several of these character pages, please don't start removing tags. Thanks! Angelriver (talk) 23:54, 8 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Weeell, ok then. I'm only looking into the relevant category intermittently, but when I find a 24 one, I'll leave it.  --Sturm 00:00, 9 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you! Much appreciated. :) Angelriver (talk) 00:02, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

"Notes"
Would you care to join issue with this "Crisp" person? In ordinary circumstances ignoring him or her would suffice but he or she just won't go away. Odd that he or she chooses the pseudonym "Crisp" when his or her interventions are far beyond merely crisp: he or she is just plain rude.Masalai (talk) 11:56, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the delay in replying; I've been otherwise engaged. The query I made at Wikipedia:Layout suggested that the choice of header doesn't matter too much. I do think, however, that this is the sort of thing that ought to be addressed on the article talk page, rather than by pithy edit summaries between the two of you. And any personal issues between the two of you, likewise, should be taken to an appropriate venue. --Sturm 21:57, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Redirect of Carnegie sports group
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 * No, quite happy for this to happen. --Sturm 21:59, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

The Eldras thread
Eldras Is there somethign I can do for you Charlie? Contact me by email at The Artificial Intelligence Department of The United Nations. Cheers.ELDRAS (talk) 08:37, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I'd like it very much if you didn't add unsourced information to articles on living people – Wikipedia is careful about such things.


 * What kind of source would you like?ELDRAS (talk) 05:08, 18 February 2008 (UTC)


 * What sources do you have? --Sturm 09:09, 18 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I'd also be interested in your reason for this edit. --Sturm 09:18, 17 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Sure I made an entry and deleted it to get the hang of a do and undo.


 * Wiki is very difficult to get an entry to for nebies. Too high an entry level I feel. I'm trung to avoid reading all the rules, which I started doign but gave up after recognising the volume of them.


 * If there a quick way of entering the quantum archeology page as it is as a stub? TaELDRAS (talk) 06:25, 18 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Interesting that you should choose Henry Root. But please don't make test edits on articles. If you want to experiment with something, it's a good idea to make a sandbox.


 * For a rules summary, try reading WP:FIVE. It gives a quick overview, and there are links towards more detailed specifics if needed.


 * I personally wouldn't attempt recreating Quantum archeology without first going to Deletion review. The same questions of original research would arise. If you're interested in Tipler's work, resurrection or artificial intelligence, perhaps it would be worth seeing whether you could make worthwhile contributions to existing articles related to those areas. --Sturm 09:09, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for your comments on my talk page. I will continue to review the guidance suggestions. Happy Editing,  D u s t i talk to me 19:47, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Moving a page
Sorry for moving a page the wrong way. I will keep that in mind. Thanks. --Arthur 2045 (talk) 15:07, 21 February 2008 (UTC)


 * It's cool. It wasn't anything that couldn't be cleared up. Cheers. --Sturm 15:29, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

70.109.223.188 in George Stamatis
Copy/paste to Tony message:

This person is causing lots of problems. I have read all the history and the problem is 70.109.223.188. There is no reason for the article to be deleted. Please understand this. Sometimes you have people that have nothing to do in there list and are bugged in removing 1 picture...weird.. Tony check in 70.109.223.188 talk page. you will understand that this person has a problem == This person is causing lots of problems. I have read all the history and the problem is 70.109.223.188. There is no reason for the article to be deleted. Please understand this. Sometimes you have people that have nothing to do in there list and are bugged in removing 1 picture...weird.. Tony check in 70.109.223.188 talk page. you will understand that this person has a problem. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.131.70.246 (talk) 20:58, 21 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Once an article has been nominated for deletion, the discussion must (under most circumstances) go ahead. Sorry, but removing the template won't change that.  --Sturm 22:14, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Staine AfD
Thought you might want to add the article Danny Little. to the AfD since he is supposedly the drummer. ... disco spinster   talk  20:43, 24 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm in the process of bundling about six articles together on this one. Bear with me. --Sturm 20:44, 24 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry for being a bit terse in the above message. I was finding the  demands of correct edit summaries etc a bit wearing, so I wasn't concentrating on how abrupt the comment could look. --Sturm 20:58, 24 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Don't worry, I didn't take offense. I know what it's like to prepare one of these mega-AfDs!  ...  disco spinster   talk  20:59, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
 * P.S. There's another article you might want to consider: Smiley Snack. ... disco spinster   talk  23:11, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that, it's now added into the mix. --Sturm 23:18, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It's back. I tagged it as G3 hoax/vandalism again. DarkAudit (talk) 06:53, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Right. And there appears to be another AfD in process.  Sort of. --Sturm 09:15, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I AfD'd it after the author had kept removing the speedy tag. It was deleted before TW had finished processing, so it got recreated again... by me. :p DarkAudit (talk) 13:50, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Image Copyright Tag
Hi Charles, can you reconsider deleting the image Moira_Brown.jpg from Dr. Moira Brown? I've replied to your comment and hope my evidence will suffice. Please let me know what I need to do to keep the picture.--Vklosek (talk) 16:15, 26 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi. I think you've misunderstood the "Presumed GFDL" criteria.  It's intended to be applied to images uploaded to Wikipedia before the said date, and only to images which can reasonably be assumed to have been created by the uploader.  You uploaded the image to Wikipedia only a few days ago; and you've acknowledged you didn't create it.  Which leaves us with the distinct possibility it's non-free, and therefore only used on other websites under fair use.


 * That creates a difficulty, because Wikipedia tends to prefer free images for the purposes of illustrating articles about living people, with some exceptions. You could try to license it as non-free and fair use, but it would take a strong argument to justify that a free replacement couldn't reasonably be found or created (see NFCC).


 * This info dump is a bit densely packed, but I hope it's more or less clear, or as clear as I can make it in the time I have before going offline. I'll be back online tomorrow if further help is needed.  (And apologies for the bolding, but I needed to sell those two points, and formatting the text seemed an efficient way to do it.) --Sturm 18:27, 26 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Question: What if I get permission from Moira herself for using her pic? --Vklosek (talk) 19:01, 26 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I think the place to guide you through that would be here: Requesting copyright permission. You do need the permission from whoever holds the copyright -- this may be the photographer, rather than Dr. Brown, but that's something I can't help you with directly. And you do need to be clear about what releasing the image entails with regard to reuse and so on (it can't just be permission to use it on Wikipedia alone, it has to be a GFDL compatible license). --Sturm 19:20, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

thank you for tweaking Bournonville
Thank you for tweaking August Bournonville (and showing me how to do it better in the future!) Robert Greer (talk) 20:24, 26 February 2008 (UTC)


 * You're welcome, although all I did was streamline the hatnote. But if you're going to include the list of ballets at the top, I'd still leave the section at the bottom – it's a standard layout convention to have the "See also" section towards the end of an article, so it's certainly a place someone might potentially look for such an article (especially if, like me, they habitually skip past the first section). --Sturm 08:30, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Dreger Clock Comments
Hi,

I saw your comment on the Dreger Clock article stub... Yes, it is big enough to be considered a "structure" I would say. Depending on the posts it has been mounted on, its height has been anywhere between 14 feet to 18 feet high (it has been on at least 2 different size posts at Knott's and the one original size at Andrew Dreger's home). The large faces of the clock are 3 feet in diameter, and the main body of the clock head is approximately 4 feet high and wide.

(I am brand new to Wikipedia -- as far as adding or editing, so forgive my ignorance on this matter... if you can help or advise... that would be great.)

I started the stub article about the Dreger Clock. It was my Great-Grandfather who built the clock, and Knott's had some historical info on it, but not much. My family (myself, my mother and my aunt) is the only ones who really have the bulk of the info and history of it. including historical newspaper articles and photos) So that is why I put up the stub. I know that there is a policy against doing articles about yourself or relatives... not sure if this counts since the only info about this 70 year old historical icon of Buena Park comes from my family. It is currently being restored by the Buena Park Historical Society, but like I said... most of the info on it... people know because of the site I set up to share its history.

So... is it ok for ME to add more to this article stub... photos... more text and content... or do I have ot wait for some other "unbiased" writer to do so?

Thanks,

Glenn Frank (DregerClock) —Preceding unsigned comment added by DregerClock (talk • contribs) 02:08, 27 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi. The guidelines on COI are there to protect the encyclopedia from problem edits.  But they don't explicitly forbid you from editing the article; what they do is strongly advise you to exercise great caution when making edits to the article.  So, if you don't make problem edits (ie. stick to verifiable facts, writing the article so that it maintains a neutral point of view etc), then it's not a problem for you to edit.


 * It's the edits that matter, not the editor.


 * If you think an edit you want to make might be viewed as controversial, there is the option to use the article talk page to discuss it first. One thing to keep in mind is that it's better to use independent references (newspaper articles etc) for citing information, where possible. Cheers. --Sturm 08:58, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Indian Invasion Comedy
I've declined the speedy deletion request as a copyright violation, as the text used was released under the GNU Free Documentation License. See the statement at the bottom of http://www.indianinvasioncomedy.com/clips.htm --Canley (talk) 00:26, 28 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I've just looked at the bottom of the page, where it says "All content copyright A Wrench In The Works Entertainment, Inc.". Where is the GFDL? --Sturm 00:45, 28 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Just beneath that where it says: "Comedian biography and DVD description text may be used under the GNU Free Documentation License". --Canley (talk) 02:20, 28 February 2008 (UTC)


 * So much for my cache clearing. Hmm: one, two & three. If I can work out why these combined efforts to get the official site mentioned in different articles, plus the fact that this "television special" appears not to have aired on television, don't constitute an attempt to promote a straight-to-DVD performance, I'll feel a lot more at ease about this. --Sturm 09:05, 28 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Indeed, and could it be a big coincidence that the text from the website is released under GFDL at the same time as a concerted promotional effort appears on Wikipedia! Maybe better just to AfD it and be done with it, I doubt it would survive. --Canley (talk) 00:46, 29 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Ok, I've gone ahead with it. It's a pity really.  There's a possibility one of the performers might justify a comedian's bio stub; I just don't think a promotional article is the way to be included on Wikipedia. --Sturm 10:04, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

RE: New Amys AfD
Thanks for pointing this out - an abberation on the part of TW - should have checked the output! - Fritzpoll (talk) 12:58, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Revert means return
See Wikipedia talk:Template messages/User talk namespace -- Chuck Marean 19:24, 29 February 2008 (UTC)


 * 'Twas already on my watchlist. I've left my reply there. --Sturm 19:42, 29 February 2008 (UTC)