User talk:Charlesdrakew/Archives/2016/May

Your edit to Earth site
Hi Charles,

why did you remove the link to the data behind the figure I added to the Earth site? Instead you replaced it with a link to a non-existing wikipedia site Earth2014. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Geodesy2000 (talk • contribs) 09:15, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * You cannot have external links embedded in the text.Charles (talk) 09:33, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Adoption
Hey! I was looking at WP:ADOPT and I saw you were one of the active adopters. I haven't been on Wikipedia for too long, but I plan on staying for a while. Is there any chance you could possibly adopt me? Thanks, — Omni Flames  ( talk   contribs ) 08:43, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello Omni Flames. I am always happy to help where I can. From your contributions list you seem to be getting along pretty well and you are an experienced wiki editor. You know people can find your real first name from the links on your user page? It might not be real of course. There are some weird people about so it is probably best to stick to a username. For any technical issues you will most likely find the Teahouse more use than me. There are a wide range of experts there. Let me know if I can help.Charles (talk) 10:22, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Hmmm okay :). Thanks for your help! You're probably right actually, I'll check out the Teahouse if I've got any questions :D. — Omni Flames  ( talk   contribs ) 11:07, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

List of Bus Routes in Singapore
Hello, I've noticed you removed the Wheelchair icon from the page. What part of the wheelchair icon makes it a guide? I have read the WP: NOTGUIDE page and can find nothing related to my edit. Can you please explain how a wheelchair icon makes the page a guide?? 33ryantan (talk) 14:26, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
 * You can wikilawyer all you like but it is there to give information which makes it a guide. I will be removing the rest when time allows. If you want to compile original research on bus routes there are other sites such as Wikia where you can do it.Charles (talk) 14:32, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

So isn't all wiki pages guides since they all give information? 33ryantan (talk) 14:53, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Ok, I have complied and removed all the logos. People who are in wheelchair will not appreciate this but this is not my problem as you think this is right. Guess the people in UK do not care about the disabled. 33ryantan (talk) 15:10, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Your last comment is offensive. Disabled people are better not getting information from Wikipedia pages that are likely to be out of date. That is what transport company websites are for.Charles (talk) 17:56, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Now you're saying Disabled people shouldn't use Wiki as the info is out of date. The info is up to date but you choose to revert it. I didn't know the Wiki community is so cold and disallow disabled people to know the bus routes they can take. 33ryantan (talk) 05:19, 6 March 2016 (UTC)


 * I am saying that nobody should get travel information from Wikipedia because Wikipedia is not a reliable source and there is never any certainty of it being in date and correct. Conspiring with your friends to get me blocked by so-called "Singaporean admins" is not going to work and may get you blocked.Charles (talk) 10:10, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

I have no idea what is really going on between the editors, but the likely answer to this problem is to get the community to agree on a uniform standard at WikiProject Buses/Bus route list guide (currently disused). I've asked the other editors involved to get talking at Talk:List of bus routes in Singapore. Everyone from the WikiProject (that includes those outside of UK and Singapore) should work together to discuss and resolve any disagreements, because a quick glance reveals that many bus-route related articles are in a vulnerable state right now. - Mailer Diablo 11:52, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I've started a discussion on the WikiProject talk page, hopefully this will get the ball rolling for everyone. - Mailer Diablo 12:26, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

I am a 100% not conspiring to get Charles to be blocked. It's all FYJ2013's idea. I only asked Mailer Diablo for help and NOT asked him to get Charles blocked. All of this is FYJ2013's idea and I'm not trying to get anyone blocked. 33ryantan (talk) 12:10, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Idea changed, 33ryantan thanks for trying. My ideas had been changed is to solve in a talkpage and my ideas had been removed 100%. Thank you got your support. But why can't you go to the page everday. 12:19, 6 March 2016 (UTC)FJY (talk)

Template refs
I am uncertain as how to deal with refs in templates. Please see Template talk:BBC Radio 5 Live. If left unchallenged the content could be a backdoor way of introducing un-sourced presenters. How can templates exist without refs? At least one in the Template:BBC Radio 5 Live list, Declan Curry, is not current according to his Wikipedia article. My concern is more general than just for this template, in some ways there is an analogy with info boxes. If you have time could you have a look please? SovalValtos (talk) 09:32, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I will look at it later, though am going to be busy for a couple of days. I am no expert but I would think anything not notable for an article list should not be in a template.Charles (talk) 10:06, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
 * No hurry. Yes, it seems simple that anything not notable for an article list should not be in a template list, but how can a template page be allowed exist as a separate page on Wikipedia available to be used on other pages without any sourcing for verifiability on itself at all? In general one Wikipedia page is not considered a reliable source for another, but here seems to be an exception. At least info boxes have to have their content sourced in the body of the article they are in, or within themselves. SovalValtos (talk) 19:30, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
 * By and large templates like you've described are just navigational aids for readers, not content. So sourcing isn't a problem, IMO.  It would just be clutter.  7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 12:56, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I have found this "* Templates should not be used to create lists of links to other articles when a category, list page, or "See also" section list can perform the same function" on page [ under 'Guidelines'. I have not yet read and understood it all, and sorry I cannot ref it better. It does seem to suggest at first glance that [[Template talk:BBC Radio 5 Live]] is not adhering to the guidance.SovalValtos (talk) 06:28, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Automotive Hall of Fame and Charles Duryea and User:Autoenthusiast123
It is true, of course, that he didn't add a source. However, there are lots of sources, including the Automotive Hall of Fame's webpage. Please consider adding sources rather than deleting content. I too am trying to educate User:Autoenthusiast123. I am hoping your actions, which I predicted, will get through. 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 12:18, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I am not in the habit of doing other editors work for them. If your efforts in education fail they will get reverted. Good luck with that.Charles (talk) 17:52, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Understood. I can't do their edits for them either.
 * We disagree. My only point is that there is a fork here, and you choose a different path, disregarding the obvious notability of induction into the Automotive Hall of Fame.  Good luck with your editing, too.  7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 17:57, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Sure. Life is too short to be looking up sources for a subject I am not even interested in. Per WP:PROVEIT editors should source their own contributions.Charles (talk) 09:30, 9 March 2016 (UTC)