User talk:ChazBeckett/Archives/2007/November

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Some advice on WP:NOR, WP:SYNTH?
I've been trying to work cooperatively with an editor whose interpretation of WP:NOR WP:SYNTH is rather different from mine.

Me: I'm a pretty fussy editor with a fair amount of experience constructing original academic work (Princeton BA, London Business School Msc). I'm not comfortable with material that is uncited, or synthesized without citation (that's what sandboxes and academic journals are for). I believe in Wikipedia being open to all editors, BUT with the proviso that we are all responsible for helping move each other to the highest standard.

The other guy: The editor in question seems to feel that wiki should be open to all editors and it is more than OK to arrange things without research, write intros without research, etc. He's got a loose approach and doesn't particularly want to change.

I won't do edit wars and I'm getting rather tired of this kind of editing. At this point I'm just coming across as critical - not much good if I'm trying to improve things. I'm too involved to nominate anything for AfD - it would look like I'm using it to force a solution to a dispute. I don't want to stop working on the topic, but with this mess in the way, I'm worried about creating a content fork if I just go off on my own. The sad part is I can contribute some really solid non-OR stuff if given a chance, but I'm basically being shut out by this guy with his "own editing style".

If you have some ideas or could refer me to someone who might be able to help, I'd appreciate it. Not sure what to do, Egfrank 05:07, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

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Huh?
Sorry, but due to my ignorance, I'm rather confused. Periodically I "talk" to "Melsaran", but I see that username has been "blocked indefinitely", for reasons I don't comprehend. Can you enlighten me please? If so, thank you in anticipation, Pdfpdf 12:47, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Wknight94 and Sarah have sorted me out, thanks. Pdfpdf 15:14, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

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NPOV title at Patriots season
The second Webster definition of "illegal" is "not sanctioned by official rules." Therefore it totally applies to the situation and there is nothing "un-neutral" about it. It's simply a fact.► Chris Nelson Holla! 16:26, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not going to argue over definitions of words, but even assuming that the term "illegal" is entirely appropriate for the incident, "Illegal videotaping investigation" is not especially descriptive or accurate. It doesn't convery what was videotaped, nor is the section only about the investigation. The section title "Signal videotaping incident" conveys the necessary information. Any discussion of legality belongs in the section itself, not the section's title. Chaz Beckett 17:32, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

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hmmmm
im not sure if you read the replies on User:Jeffpw's page. From what it seems like to me, you are suggesting that none of my edits have been benefitial to wikipedia. Are you sure on this? (careful how you reply) Iamandrewrice 19:59, 30 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I read some of the replies, but I was holding my tongue, allowing Jeff to respond as he saw fit. However, now that you've asked me directly, I'll give you my opinion. I'm not suggesting that your edits have zero worth, I do believe that your edits (thus far) have not been a net benefit. This means that what you're adding to the project is less than what you're taking away in other editors' time and effort.
 * I'm especially concerned at the way you've treated your mentor, Jeff, after the time and effort he's put into helping you. He's done quite a bit for you and without his mentorship there's a fair chance you would have been censured for involvement with that silly vandalism today. I think it's safe to say that patience is running thin on several fronts. I strongly suggest that you listen and follow the advice of Jeff and others instead of attacking them when you disagree with their actions or opinions. Chaz Beckett 20:17, 30 November 2007 (UTC)