User talk:Ched/Archive 9

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Thanks
Thank you for your suport Ched, i'll be working hard.* Delete WP:CRYSTAL. .Pedro thy master (talk • contribs) 17:10, 28 July 2009 (UTC) Jajajaj, do you think makeing a Simmons family artical could be good =).Pedro thy master (talk • contribs) 17:14, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

An artical from the simmons family (Yes Gene Simmons) like the jacksons family do you think it's a good idea .Pedro thy master (talk • contribs) 17:14, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank a lot Ched your a great guy. and i'm not that big of a kiss fan but i like some songs and the show..Pedro thy master (talk • contribs) 17:30, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar


=) TechOutsider (talk • contribs) 01:25, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Awww Man, I don't know what to say TO. That is one of the nicest, coolest things I have ever seen.  Thank you.  I am truly honored and humbled by this. ;) — Ched :  ?  01:42, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Nah, don't be. You deserved it. I especially appreciated your exceptional copy-edit today. TechOutsider (talk • contribs) 02:17, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * That's the coolest barnstar I've yet seen :D — Huntster (t • @ • c) 03:16, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * That's the coolest barnstar that I've ever seen too!  Royal broil  03:34, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yea, I gotta admit, I'm pretty flabergasted here. It does make being here very rewarding, to say the least. ;) — Ched :  ?  03:37, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * What did you think it was initially, judging from the thumbnail and the heading of my post? TechOutsider (talk • contribs) 16:15, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I wasn't sure, and clicked on the pic right away - then I just sat there stunned. Just totally amazed me. ;-) — Ched :  ?  19:20, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Ched, you deserve this
Hope you like it. Pedro thy master (talk • contribs) 16:30, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Why thank you Pedro, I really appreciate that. I'm always glad to help out where I can.  Hope the article is going well, the last time I looked it had come a long way.  I'll have to stop by and check it out again huh?  Yep, I really like the Star, thanks buddy. ;) — Ched :  ?  21:03, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep up the good work Chedsky. You're doing a great job. ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:05, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Eh, I'd be happier with a few more blocks. Law type! snype? 03:24, 1 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, I guess I could go get a 6-pack, drink that, and then block anyone who edits my friend's articles. :-O — Ched :  ? 03:31, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Lightweight. Law type! snype? 21:52, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Ched let me ask oyu something
Ched if an artical about an album that has not been realesed yet but is in progress and has confirmed songs, dose it not deserve an artical. --Pedro thy master (talk) 02:53, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Who confirmed the songs? Is there significant coverage about the upcoming album, or is it just a single article? Notability summarizes notability guidelines. Specifically, what album, I can go check it out. TechOutsider (talk • contribs) 03:03, 31 July 2009 (UTC)


 * (ec) Normally I would say no, but there are times when it can work. If you read through:
 * TenPoundHammer's Law
 * it will give you a rough idea. Then take a look at:
 * WP:NSONG
 * which is part of the Notability (music) guideline - it will give you a good idea.


 * Basically, it can work ... but only if there are multiple reliable sources that are reporting it. If you're not sure, you can create the article in a sandbox, and work on it until it meets the guidelines - then move it to main space afterwards.  If you need a hand creating a sandbox, just let me know what you want to call it, and I'll walk you through that. ;) — Ched :  ?  03:06, 31 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm sure TechOutsider would be willing to help as well - he's more likely up on the current music than I am, and he knows how to create sandbox articles too. He's done a ton of work on the Michael Jackson stuff, so he probably has a better idea on what will and won't be accepted. — Ched :  ?  03:08, 31 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks Ched sorry for the trobule. --Pedro thy master (talk) 03:13, 31 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot Ched. --Pedro thy master (talk) 03:21, 31 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Daddy Yankee, and the album Daddy Yankee Mundial.
 * Looks like TO is helping handle this one, drop me a note if you need anything. — Ched :  ? 19:19, 31 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Ched thanks for telling me about TO, he really helped me there, thanks. =D. --Pedro thy master (talk) 20:52, 31 July 2009 (UTC)


 * And if your not to busy could you check out the Simmons family artical, --Pedro thy master (talk) 20:53, 31 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Yep, TO is one of the good guys. Just remember, if he ever starts training for "admin", and goes to RfA - you have to support him ... lol.  Anyway, I looked real quick now - I can see a few things that might help.  I don't have time right this moment to do anything, but I'll try to help later tonight or tomorrow sometime.  Do you want me to "fix" ... or just comment on the talk page? — Ched :  ?  21:23, 31 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment, but if you want you can fix it if you want to, but take your time i now you must be busy, P.S dont worry i'll support TO if he decides to run for admin LOL =D. --Pedro thy master (talk) 22:30, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, about adminship, I don't think I have time for those maintenance tasks. I don't know Wiki-syntax that well, I don't know any kind of web-syntax that well, I don't know how to handle bots, most of my opinions at pretty much anything are pile-ons, etc. Hardly a good admin candidate. My goals have changed now. TechOutsider (talk • contribs) 01:40, 1 August 2009 (UTC)


 * It is rather an acquired taste, and not for everybody. ;) — Ched :  ? 03:32, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

A first
If I had a nickel for every time someone's bowel movements were mentioned in an edit summary... <font color="Navy">Law <font color="Navy">type! <font color="Navy">snype? 05:59, 1 August 2009 (UTC)


 * lmFao ... point taken. ... ahhhh ... I got nothin ;) — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  06:10, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * If you would have done an edit summary like that in your first week, you probably would have been promoted to Arbcom. Keep up the good work and please, continue with the mantra that "No matter what you do, incorporate Number Two." <font color="Navy">Law <font color="Navy">type! <font color="Navy">snype? 06:20, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Civility discussion
I would very much appreciate your thoughts and considerations on User:Buster7/Incivility especially the sections from Safe Harbor down.--Buster7 (talk) 13:16, 1 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I promise, I'll take a look here in the next day or two. I'm just not feeling particularly "civil" at the moment, so I'll hold my thoughts til I can be. — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  16:45, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

re
whatever. — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ? 16:45, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * ? ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:23, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Nothing that you're familiar with CoM. Something has got my shorts in a knot, and it's best that I don't speak about the matter until my emotions have dissipated. — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  21:38, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Really? Because it seems like something I'd really enjoy learning more about. I take great joy in the suffering of others. Hahahahaha. Sick I know. God help me. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:56, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It would be rather unseemly and quite undignified for me to simply spout off with the first words that came to my mind. I'd think that in a day or two I'll be able to address the situation in a calm and rational manner.  It's really not a big deal, but rather an "ego-bruise" that has already started to heal.  It's honestly a very minor thing.  I'm already feeling a tad guilty for my initial thoughts, but I suspect I'll be able to make my views known in a mature fashion shortly. ;) — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  00:24, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Ugh... I'm losing interest already. Too many big words and a diminishing of the glorious passion.
 * What is it the bad guy in Star Wars says? Let your hate out Luke, or something like that?  Come on over to the Dark side Chedsky. It's all good here. :)  No just kidding around. Sorry you're having a rough patch. Maybe you need a break and to leave the 'Pedia alone for a bit so you can mingle with all the crazies in real life. Then you can come back and visit with the crazies on here. Rinse and repeat. :) Is it hot where you are?  It's lovely here. PEACE! ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:49, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, yes, but - as 7 of 9 once told Captain Janeway "Your passion will be your undoing". Come to think of it, I believe that Mr. Spock also said something similar to Dr. McCoy in TOS. ;) — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  02:14, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

RfA
I see there is a lack of RfA candidates at the moment and I know there's a constant fear that we may run out of admins at any moment. What do you think about nomming Drmies? He's a royal pain in the ass and a devoted communist, but he might make an okay admin. At some point S Marshall and Kelapstick should also be reconsidered (I haven't kept track of how long it's been since their previous attempts, but I guess a couple more months may be needed?). And Michael Q Schmidt deserves adminship, but maybe he's stepped on too many toes? I can't think of anyone more devoted to saving and improving articles and I have total confidence in his judgment and fairness in upholding policies and respecting other editors. But who knows how that approval process really works. Anyway, just a thought. I'd nom, but I think my involvement would tend to hurt a candidate's chances, particularly if I were the nom. Too much gamesmanship and grudge holding. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:28, 1 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I'll take a look. I've never done a nom before.  There's actually 2 other ones I've been thinking about; one that I think would breeze through it, and one that might be a bit controversial - but actually knows how to use the tools very well.  I'll look through the contribs. over the next day or two, and see what I can come up with. — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  21:44, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * If you have people in mind do them. Best to go with what you know. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:53, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * One has said they will consider it at the end of the month, and Chzz is thinking about it. — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ? 21:56, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Films July 2009 Newsletter
The July 2009 issue of the Films WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. If you have an idea for improving the newsletter please leave a message on my talk page. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 00:47, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Look new artical
Ched I made a new page called User:Pedro thy master/NASCAR Champions could you check it out when you have time


 * Wow, that's quite a collection of information there Pedro. I am very flattered that you would go to so much trouble to show an interest in something that I enjoy.  To be honest though, it actually wouldn't be a very good idea to move it out into article space, at least as it is.  Several reasons come to mind: 1.) It is largely a collection of articles that we already have (NASCAR, List of NASCAR all-time cup winners, and many of the various divisions that make up NASCAR)  2.) Also, while several of our best articles (FA) do tend to be a bit lengthy, this one would be too long to qualify as a particularly good article.  3.) Primarily though, the main reason that it would likely be shot down would be because we already have "List of NASCAR champions".  One reason we don't want to let articles get to be too long is that some people have older computers with older browsers - and pages that get too big can cause their computers to lock up, or not display the entire thing.


 * Now, I don't want you to be discouraged, I think it shows tremendous dedication, and obviously took a great deal of work to put together. In fact, I not only bookmarked the page, but I also saved it so that I can refer to it often as I work on NASCAR articles.  I think you are doing a wonderful job at learning Wikipedia, and I can certainly see that you have already learned so much here.  Even those folks that have been here for years, have become administrators, crats, or arbitrators often suggest things that don't work out.  I honestly hope that I'm not discouraging you, I think you have great promise to be one of best contributors.


 * Thank you again for putting the page together, I really appreciate it, and I'll use it as a reference when I can. ;-) — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ? 23:57, 3 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Don't worry, this dose not disscurage me I'll learn from it and keep on working, =D. --Pedro thy master (talk) 02:27, 4 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Great! Cause I think you're doing a great job, and learning very quickly. ;-) — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  10:07, 4 August 2009 (UTC)


 * On the computer I am currently using, large pages like T:TDYK load very slowly. I was therefore obligated to open this page, per WP:BEANS. Not surprisingly, my computer did lock up :) <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;">decltype (talk) 10:35, 4 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I hope you don't mind if I have a bit of a chuckle ;P — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ? 10:58, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

<-- Not at all. In fact, I'm going to give you one of these: Regards, <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;">decltype (talk) 12:00, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

dr peter mcparlin
hi Ched  thanks  for all your help  to  date

I noticed the page is still not web accessible

so presume it is still being knocked backed for amendments?

be grateful of your  advice

Paul —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paul-leeds (talk • contribs) 08:52, 4 August 2009 (UTC)


 * OK, I just looked again, and it doesn't look like anything has been done since my last suggestions. You still need to establish Notability of User:Paul-leeds/Dr. Peter McParlin and reference it with reliable sources before we can move it out into main-space.  I'm sorry that I don't have the time to do all the work for you, but if you can point me to a good news article, or a good on-line book that shows why he's notable, then I'll try to get a referenced paragraph typed up for you.  Simply because he was a good doctor is not an acceptable reason - there has to be some sort of verifiable proof that the good doctor is notable.  Somewhere, I had left you a couple links to read through - did any of those establish anything that sets him apart from his peers?  Read through WP:N and more specific to that article - read through WP:BIO.  If after reading through those, you still feel that a good case can be made, feel free to drop me the URL of something that establishes the notability - and I'll gladly try to get it up to an acceptable stub quality, and help you move it into Name Space.


 * On another note, you'll really need to get your "signature" resolved before too long. Read through WP:SIG.  Basically, at the end of anything you post on a talk page, you need to end your entry by placing  4 tildes before clicking on the save page buttons.  The "tilde" is in the upper right of your keyboard - to the left of the number 1 key on US computers.  Simply type "  ~   " (without the quote marks) before you finish your post. Place them at the conclusion of what you type.  This lets people know who typed the message, and when it was left.  I'll look in on the article in the next couple days. Cheers, and happy editing. — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  10:04, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Mentor
Chedsky, I hereby nominate you to relieve Durova as mentor for User:Bluemarine. She's indicated that she'd like to pass the torch and I know you'll do a great job. Good luck! ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:32, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I do appreciate the confidence; however, at the moment I have 2 editors that I'm assisting, another editor I've promised to help with a FA, a FLC that I've been working on, and a DYK I'm wanting to get rolled out. A possible RfA candidate who may want a nom statement, another friend who is considering a RfA, and a promised nom statement at the end of the month.  I'm honestly not familiar with Bluemarine, the situation, or the baggage it might entail.  I am truly sorry, but I must regretfully decline at this time.  I am honored that you think so highly of me though ;) (I could also go into what's going on in r/l - but that wouldn't be very "wiki-like": ;) — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  18:25, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Understood. But it would have been tremendous fun to see you at the center of that chaos. Good luck with your other endeavors. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:08, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Mentor
ched look a user, said he is intrest in adpoting me, (mentor) but i do not think i want to be mentored because your kind of helping me and i think youd helped me more tell me what you think. --Pedro thy master (talk) 02:47, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Ched is my best pal on wiki. I'll call him on the phone and see what he thinks, because he's at work, if I recall correctly. <font face="Forte"> Steve Crossin   <font color="#FFCC00">The clock is ticking.... 02:49, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * That's sweet. <font color="Navy">Law <font color="Navy">type! <font color="Navy">snype? 02:53, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks Steve. --Pedro thy master (talk) 02:56, 5 August 2009 (UTC)


 * OK - I will take a look at this as soon as possible. I may be called away in real life for an Emergency Response item: (see: 2009 Collier Township PA. Shooting).  I will take a look at this ASAP however.  Pedro, please discuss any major changes on the article talk pages before making big changes.  We are encouraged to be WP:BOLD, but we must also remember that there are many other people spending a lot of time to work out how things are done, and how things should look.  It's good that you are helping, but when you are first starting out, sometimes it's best to talk to the people who work on the articles before you make too many changes.  Don't worry about the 24 issues, Steve and I will get that worked out here shortly.  Keep trying, and keep talking to the other users.  We are all here to help each other, and we were all new at one time too. ;-) — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  03:03, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

StalkLulz
In case you miss it; User_talk:Tanthalas39  Chzz  ►  19:49, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * LOL ... I left a note there. And hey, let me know when you decide about the RfA thing.  I have no doubt you'd be good at it. — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  22:24, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

24: day zero
Ched would it be a good idea to make a Day Zero artical. -- 02:39, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

misc.
I'm going to guess that you've already observed that Rvcx is back to what got him blocked for a day in April. I only knew about this because he was on my watch list for some since-forgotten reason. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 08:34, 6 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Hey, yea, I just noticed that. I'm familiar with him from the Larry Sanger article.  Actually, he did some good work on moving things to a more NPOV slant there - but I do remember back when the 3RR block came about.  Hopefully he won't get that carried away again.  I left him a "welcome back" note, but he's never been particularly friendly with me - even though we did agree on several things.  You might want to put the Sanger article on your watchlist - looks like we might have another "co-founder" go round.  Me personally?, .. hey - I have the utmost respect for Larry, I even joined his new site.  Just not much going on there.  I think he had a lot to do with a lot of our good policies here.  I sometimes wish he was back here.  What's your thoughts on the matter? — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  08:40, 6 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Larry is now on my watch list. I see Rvcx is running the risk of fomenting the edit war. I don't really understand what the issue is. He's a co-founder, and is no longer connected to wikipedia, right? I've had offline discussions about citizendium, and it sounds more like what a citizen-built encyclopedia could be. The edit-warring and poor-quality writing on wikipedia are a constant source of frustration, and sometimes lead me to think that what wikipedia really is, is a gigantic social experiment being conducted for Wales' doctoral thesis or something. I often think wikipedia should be more restrictive. However, I gather that citizendium is extremely restrictive. Seems like there could be some middle ground somewhere. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 09:18, 6 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I haven't logged into Citizendium for quite a while. The last time I really edited there was during a "let's write articles" drive, and I had tons of "server is down" errors.  I have a ton of respect for Larry, and I first came across his WP article from a RFC.  I had quite a discussion with QuackGuru for a bit.  I respect how much he tries to do here, and he hasn't had a block for quite a while.  At the time I had a very difficult time communicating with him.  I really only wanted to get a very POV "list" out of the article, or at least have it evened out to a more NPOV reflection.  I probably don't have more than a dozen edits to the article, but I've probably got over 50 edits to the talk page.  It does seem like things are ramping up there again, so I will keep an eye on it.  Hopefully I won't run afoul of Lara/Jennavica - I'm not really sure she cares too much for me.  Not that it's really relevant, and she's always helped me when I asked .... Just an impression I've gathered over time.  Citizendium has some great qualities, I wish it had some more support actually.  It could make a great "counter-point" type of thing for us here.  I've often thought if we could combine those type of restrictions here as our type of flagged revisions - the two sites could work well together.  I kind of get the impression that there are some hard feelings between Larry and Jimbo - I think that's a shame really.  I always looked at it like Jimbo was the "father" who went out and did the work to put the money on the table, and Larry like the "mom" who stayed at home and nurtured, built, and developed the project.  Developing policies and guidelines and such.  I think that Larry doesn't really get the notice and appreciation that he deserves - and even Jimbo has stated the same thing at times.


 * Hmmm ... I wonder if I could "mediate" a reconciliation between Jimbo and Larry ... LOL. ;) — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ? 09:41, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Maybe negotiate peace between Iran and Israel, and then you'll be ready. :) I try not to worry too much about whether any particular editor "likes" me or not, especially as they don't really know me (except maybe for the very few that I've had offline e-mails with from time to time). My main concern is whether someone helps or hinders in improving content. That's the core of my beef with guys like CoM. I contrast that with someone like the Cyrillic alphabet soup guy from Bulgaria that several of us are in lively debates with concerning the Apollo Hoax article. We've had plenty of words about various things, but it hasn't stooped to the personal level, for the most part. (In contrast with the ugly war that occurred on that page some time back.)Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 09:52, 6 August 2009 (UTC)


 * LOL @ the Iran/Israel thing. Yea - I'll get on that straight away. ;).  I agree that it's not important that anyone "like" anyone here - rather it's that the project is designed to develop an online repository of knowledge.  As far as Lara goes, well ... if you knew my daughter, you'd appreciate my situation.  The two of them have soooo much in common, from looks, to the strong determined independent stance in life.  It's hard for me to not transfer my feelings for my daughter - to an editor that reminds me so much of her.  But, as you say, it's really not relevant.  Lara is a hell of an editor, and a huge "plus" to WP, so I'm content with a mutual co-existence.  I do understand your situation with CoM Bugs.  Heaven knows I've tried to find a common meeting ground on that.  If I had any way whatsoever of helping - I think you know I would.  I'll have a look in on the Apollo Hoax article, and put it back on my watchlist - might be interesting.  Ya know, you are right about the "we are not here to be friends" thing - but I've found it to be an absolutely wonderful side event.  There's some folks here that I think the world of - in fact, I even offered one guy a place to stay if he needed it.  WP is a torturous yet wonderful thing that is so complex that it's difficult to put into words.


 * Hey, if I do end up being able to take a road trip up to my buddies place to see some racing in Wisconsin, I'd love to stop by Chi-town and buy you lunch or dinner. You like baseball ... I like NASCAR, but I'd bet my bottom dollar we could have a hell of a good time.


 * By the way, are you folks hearing much about the shooting in Pittsburgh/Bridgeville/LA Fitness that happened over the hill from me? 3 women were killed, 10 other wounded, and gunman blew his own head off.  It's really a big story here - but I don't know how much the rest of the world is hearing about it. — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  10:15, 6 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeh, I saw the story in USAToday.com Now there will probably be the usual battle in wikipedia as to whether to have an article about it. I stay away from those battles anymore, as the deletionists just go ballistic (pardon the ironic metaphor). Every one of these attention-getting shootings are the result of narcissim, or so says Dr. Bugsy. Nobody liked him (wonder why), so he's going to make them pay for it, randomly. Reminds me of a Dragnet episode that was the pilot for the late-60s revival of the old show. It involved a serial killer. When Friday and Gannon got the goods on him, he owned up to it, and they asked him his motive. The killer (played by Vic Perrin, better known as the voice of The Outer Limits) said, "I killed those girls because they asked me to." ??? "They said they'd rather be dead than be with me." So this kind of thing (killing yourself and taking a few with you) is not altogether a new idea. The Charles Whitman story from around that time is vaguely similar, except he had a brain tumor, which changes the picture a bit. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 10:51, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * And I see you're on it already. 2009 LA Fitness shooting is its current title. That's just one of the likely battles. Ultimately, deletionists will raise the "notability" flag, but with coverage in national media you'll have a better chance of keeping it. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 10:56, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

←Yea, I wrote it up last night when it happened in my user space - then moved it out to article space when I had it referenced with multiple sources. It's been bounced around a bunch with different names via "move", but for now I'll just try to keep out spam and unreferenced material. In a week or so, I'll drop back in and try to clean up the references, and prose. If it goes to AFD, well, it's not something I'm going to lose sleep over - but I think there is enough WP:N and WP:V with WP:RS that will support it staying. Hopefully it will end up with a better title - but we'll see. ;) — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ? 11:02, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Gracias
Muchas gracias Ched, LOL, thanks for the classes there realy useful. P.S can you help me with my signature how do you put some color on the name? =D --Pedro Jose (talk) 19:42, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I made my signature by looking at other people's signatures. Look around, find someone's with a color you like, and insert your name in where their name is =). Como estas? I think that means how are you in Spanish ... unless it's donde estas? TechOutsider (talk • contribs) 01:09, 7 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I think "donde" is "where". There are gender related things in Spanish that I've forgotten a lot of.  a=feminine, o=masculine ... IIRC.  It was so long ago, I forget so much of it though.  Hey - just noticed that you helped with the shooting article - thank you!   I've only gotten one pic of Norton - it's a box of 360 3.0 - as soon as I find the NIS, I'll get that as well.  I'll have to check back in on your sandbox expansion too - how's it going? — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  04:13, 7 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Do you meen the Simmons family, if it is it's going preety good, and yes donde is where her= ella, him =el. SYL...LOL. --Pedro Jose (talk) 20:22, 7 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Hey, sorry to all - been very busy IRL lately. Pedro - I'll take a look this weekend at your article, and I'll try to get time this evening to help you with your sig.  TO - I did get a pic of the Norton 360 box (ver. 3.0) - and will try to get NIS this weekend.  Steve - I'll get something written up tomorrow on business.


 * Any friendly Talk Page Stalkers (esp. Admin.) The whole 2009 Collier Township shooting article thing is now a royal mess - looks like an IP tried to "move" by copy/paste - hence article history is still left at one of the redirects. When I get back, if it hasn't been done - I'll try to fix, then request a RFPP (I'd do it myself - but COI as creator and editor might not sit well).  It should prolly be protected from moves (3 days to a week).  Per Naming conventions (events) it should prolly be "2009 Collier Township shooting"  or something along those lines.  I'll do a RFC in next day or two to get consensus - but all this moving around isn't helping a damn thing - especially when moves aren't done properly.  Any help is appreciated.  I'll be back online in a couple hours.  Thx folks — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  00:33, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

<---That should be it, I think hope. Page is now at 2009 Collier Township shooting, with relevant history from both articles, including the name change by IP to the new article. <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;">decltype (talk) 00:46, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Re: Aww crap
Heh, looks like a fine closure to me. But really, I never understood some people's dislike of Bishie...I've certainly never had any trouble from her. — Huntster (t • @ • c) 01:34, 7 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm surprised I haven't gotten any fallout over it really. I know FT2 is a pretty high ranking editor around here, and I was a tad afraid that he'd land on me pretty hard for closing that.  I just thought that the whole thing had pretty well played out and all.  I mean, after Jimbo and ArbCom - where else is there left to go really?  It seemed to me that both Bish and Daed both admitted to regretting a couple posts that got overly emotional - and neither one of them seemed to want to pursue anything further.  I didn't see reviewing things that had happened 2 years ago as terribly productive either.  I've never worked with Bish on any articles or anything, but I do rather enjoy a couple alt. persona things she's got going on.  Seems like a nice girl/lady with an enjoyable sense of humor and all.  I guess I was worried about nothing really.  Hopefully time will mend some of the wounds, and things will be better in the future.  :) — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  04:08, 7 August 2009 (UTC) (cc to UT)
 * Nice edit summary. In Soviet Russia, AFD close you. <font color="Navy">Law <font color="Navy">type! <font color="Navy">snype? 04:15, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yea, I noticed that - missed a "y". Unfortunately I haven't figured out how to edit an "edit summary" once it's been posted yet ... lol.  ;-( — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  04:19, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I like how you close a highly controversial topic and fuck up on the edit summary. LOL. That's something I would do. <font color="Navy">Law <font color="Navy">type! <font color="Navy">snype? 04:36, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * ...kind of like speaking to a large important crowd in RL with you zipper open. Well done, Chad Ched.--Buster7 (talk) 04:45, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * LOL - yep that's me. I've done that a few times.  The first I can recall was moving a wp:rip proposal out  into mainspace - and I completely screwed up the spelling.  Perhaps I should join the "Bathrobe cabal" - then I wouldn't have to worry about the zipper ...lol.  I wonder if they'd make me give up my membership in the AGF Cabal? ;) — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  04:59, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

WP:AGF is one giant piece of shit. It's what your wife says when you walk in on her with another man. "It's not what it looks like!" Not only is AGF insulting, it makes us all stupider. Extremely and irrevocably stupider. -- <font color="Navy">Law <font color="Navy">type! <font color="Navy">snype?


 * Responses:
 * I assume you mean that in a good way. ;-)
 * Them's fighting words! ;-(
 * Ahh... come on. Tell us what you really think. >:-/

Note: the above post should be avoided by the irony impaired. — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ? 06:03, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Go be a BRC. I bet you get eaten alive. <font color="Navy">Law <font color="Navy">type! <font color="Navy">snype? 06:09, 7 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually, I believe there is a 10-story tall wikipedian who is considering that at this very moment. ;) ... A picture of Ched in a bathrobe... hmmmmm ... that may be a frightening thought to a few folks here. lulz ;) — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ? 09:13, 9 August 2009 (UTC) Note: I did look for a graceful exit here, but just couldn't find one.

Well deserved

 * Wow ... very cool, thank you Buster7. In all fairness, User:Huntster taught me my wiki-kindness. ;) — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  09:10, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Do you now?
Hey ched, i was just wondering can any wikipedian can make or create a barnstar?. -- Pedro J (talk) 17:24, 9 August 2009 (UTC)


 * The basic answer is yes. You can see some standard ones at: Barnstars.  The people on the talk page of that should be able to help answer any questions about "how" to do it. I didn't forget about your sig. either - I'll drop a line shortly, after I get an unblock taken care of. ;) — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  17:29, 9 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks Ched, your a great guy, hasta pronto. =D. -- Pedro J (talk) 17:32, 9 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks Ched. --<font color="Orange">Pedro J. the rookie 18:46, 9 August 2009 (UTC)


 * np, glad to help. sig looks good. ;) — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  18:50, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

You've been doing article work?
Such a shock! I've fallen and I can't get up... ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:08, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
 * LOL ... hey, I'm gonna get that Daytona pole one through FLC, my sandboxed 1957 article is gonna get another DYK, and once the fuss dies down about the shooting, I'll get that cleaned up too ... well, that is if it don't kill me first. But hey, I gotta stop once in a while to give folks a hand if I can too. ;-) — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  19:14, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

RfA !vote (Headbomb)
After the resolution of the WP:CNB removal of comments situation (see replies from I and Þjóðólfr), I feel that your !vote might be outdated. Since this is a close race, I would immensely appreciate it if you could update it (or confirm that you still oppose, if that is indeed the case). Regards. Headbomb {{{sup|ταλκ}}<sub style="margin-left:-4.0ex;">κοντριβς – WP Physics} 12:33, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

DYK
I'm at 99 DYKs now and I want my 100th to be something special. I'm thinking about doing a large 5x expansion to some major NASCAR driver. Nothing is jumping out to me as being something that needs huge expansion. I spent over an hour looking at the stub and start class NASCAR articles and I didn't come up with much. The best thing that I could find it Banjo Matthews needs it real bad. I was hoping to take some big name NASCAR driver of Harry Gant's caliber. Has any article ever jumped out at you?  Royal broil  02:37, 11 August 2009 (UTC)


 * David Pearson is what jumps to my mind. I'd say pick someone you really liked when you first got interested in the sport.  Gant would be a good one too I would think. — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  03:17, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Pearson is a great suggestion! My biggest concern was being able to do a 5x expansion - the article can't have been too big to start with. Gant's article would have to be HUGE! I was just looking at Tim Flock and that's another candidate. Thanks for your input!  Royal broil  03:21, 11 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I just can't get over 100 DYKs ... wow! I wonder if that is a record.  I've never seen anyone with as many as you have.  Definitely going to have to come up with some kind of cool award for it ... that's for sure.  — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  03:27, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, I'm tied for 36th on the all-time list. I used to hold at around 25th on the list until I got a full-time job. I'm still 25th if you subtract out nomination-only DYKs and only count the 88 DYK articles that I've created/expanded. I'm quite proud of all that I've been able to do. There's an award for 100 and 200 DYK, but I think it's best to let a DYK regular give that award out because they'll speak more about what I've done (not only with articles but with the admin parts too).  Royal broil  03:59, 11 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, your work is certainly impressive - no questions there! I'm just glad you took the time to get me involved in the NASCAR stuff.  It gave me a direction to work in and all.  There is just SOOOO much to do here.  I do want to get the 500 pole article to FLC, and have been trying to improve that.  My next DYK will likely be the 1957 one.  I'm hoping to get a bunch of the redlinked years added this coming winter.  Still want to get Earnhardt to GA someday, and the main NASCAR one eventually as well.  There are tons of drivers who need to have their articles improved as well, and short of you claiming RTV - I'll likely be pestering you for help for years to come. ;-)  Looks like you've decided on Flock - great choice!  I really want to see a lot of those "original" drivers have more quality info in their articles.  The tough part is that when you get back into that era - the web sources aren't quite as plentiful as the current drivers stuff.  Let me know if you think there is anything in particular that I might be able to help with.  I admit, my work on the pole article was because I saw it was at the top of your list as far as being important to you.  I thought it was in a small way, a chance to repay you for all the help you've given me.  I'm always willing to read through and help with anything though. — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  04:29, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a plan about developing those NASCAR articles. I'm glad it's given you direction. I've decided on David Pearson for my next DYK. I'm thinking about doing Flock for my 100th article created/expanded (minus the 10 nomination-only DYKs that I've done). I like the hook on that article - one about him having to do a pit stop during the race because his monkey mascot was going nuts in the car! Ya just can't make up something that interesting. Feel free to pester me as much as you want/need. And thanks for your work on the Daytona 500 polesitters article. I'm trying to help on it but it's so hard to find time in the summer with a full-time job, a full garden to weed and canning, plus hitting so many racetracks. I'm at 25 tracks now this year. I'm looking at around 30-33 tracks by the time the season ends in late October.  Royal broil  03:14, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

← Sounds like you have a pretty full plate. I can relate to that! I'm looking forward to seeing the improvements to both articles, and if you want me to look over anything - I'd be happy to. ;) ... I still want to put another hour or two into the pole article, but after that I don't know that I could do much more - except maybe just try a complete re-write from a couple of the sources. But I'm not sure it would be any better really.  I'll drop you a line when I think I've reached the end of my abilities with it.  Did you ask anybody to do a copyedit yet?  Good luck at the tracks, it sure makes the new camera worthwhile huh? Cheers and best. ;) — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  12:39, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I read the Daytona 500 polesitters article and I am pretty satisfied with the text in the article. The only improvement that I think it definitely needs is in the history paragraph. First of all there are 2 thoughts simultaneously happening - qualifying race length plus the name of the race. They should be separated. Another problem is that too many sentences start In 19xx ...  Royal broil  01:24, 14 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I'll take a look. At the very end of the prose? ... I only got through about 75% and knew there was a couple things there I needed to fix.  Something parenthetical about 1992 I think too.  I will go over that part.  Not sure how to seperate the length vs. name, and still have it all chronological ... been thinking about that.  I will take a look though. — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  01:30, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

The Balkan League
Hello Ched Davis. Seeing that you noticed the new edits on the Balkan League article and in case you have the time, could you please take a fresh look over the tone/style of the article to see if it's the appropriate? Since the txt in the article is almost a new one, if the problematic tone is no more present and the article contain no new inappropriate tone it would be good to remove the tone banner. In case you noticed new tone/style problems please inform me about, so to fix them. Thank you, --Factuarius (talk) 07:57, 11 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I'd be happy to take a look. I may not get to it until tomorrow, but I will have a peek at it. — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  08:00, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Impostor accounts
This is deja vu from similar events early in the summer or late spring, when someone tried to impostor Axmann8 for the sole purpose of getting him in further trouble. It's happened a couple times since. I'm suspicious of the banned user Pioneercourthouse, just because he's been otherwise active recently, and he did some impostoring early in the summer. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 08:08, 11 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Hmmm... I'll do a little research tomorrow (well - today actually), ... I'm not familiar with "Pioneercourthouse" account (yet), but I have seen a TON of socks (aka Assholes) stalking you. Feel free to drop me ANY links to crap that doesn't belong here.  (NO ... don't link to CoM's page . ;)).  I'll keep an eye open on the BBBfan ... and drop the hammer if it's needed.  I suspect that you are absolutely correct that his account will be short lived. — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  08:16, 11 August 2009 (UTC)


 * "A ton"... so, can you imagine how much more of this junk would come my way if I were an admin? There's something to be said for being a peon. :) Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 08:52, 11 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I checked my e-mail and there was a note from a checkuser dated May 19th. There was a harassment account called Corpiestre that was connected to Pioneercourthouse, who's a long-term abuser going back about 3 years. Around that same time in May there was a Fondesep and a Horneldinkrag, which were doing similar impostoring but couldn't be tied to PCH. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 08:22, 11 August 2009 (UTC)


 * If you want more info on this, I'll send you an e-mail. There are certain things I don't want to talk about publicly. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 08:33, 11 August 2009 (UTC)


 * No problem. I'll check my WP email and research what I can.  I don't have "check user" abilities, but I'll certainly look into the situation as best as I can. — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  08:38, 11 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Also look at WP:AIV where I'm trying to explain the situation to them without giving too much information out, but they don't seem to be getting the point. I'll send an e-mail to you in a minute. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 08:42, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Sent. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 08:47, 11 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Replied, and I'll look into it. — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ? 08:57, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Sent another. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 09:08, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

← I see that through the SPI report that they are blocked now. Good call. Sorry I wasn't more help. — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ? 23:33, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * This may be the tip of the iceberg of an impostoring sock farm. The other related sock was created on June 14th. It was called BO2ip01. That's right around the time BQZip01 was being hassled by ThreeE and Grandma Dottie and other socks about this seemingly mundane article: Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 00:56, 12 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Looks like Versageek and Wknight94 have that one locked up as well. You're probably right about a bigger farm than we know.  I wonder if blocking the IP would help? — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  01:35, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I think it's done for now. We'll just have to wait until next time. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 04:31, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your note, Ched
If contemporary usage (by pundits and such like), and WP:COMMONNAME, dictate that we call an article about the poliical slur "Islamofascism" by the article name Islamofascism ... then why don't the same considerations dictate that we call an article about the political slur "Israeli apartheid" by the article name Israeli apartheid? BYT (talk) 21:51, 11 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Responded on your talk - sorry I'm not up to speed on the geo-political front. — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ? 23:34, 11 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Seems like a pretty straightforward policy query to me. Supposedly, both articles owe their existence to the neologisms that kept them from being deleted, and not to geopolitical issues, which they're not supposed to cover -- except tangentially, as they relate to quoted usage in mainstream sources. What you've just said to me is a little like saying you can't offer me any advice on how to title the article Racial epithets because you haven't done a lot of reading about Indonesians.


 * With all respect, this is the kind of non-response that earns Wikipedia a bad name from people who are prone to create conspiracy theories as a means of explaining the project's all-too-evident and pervasive bias against Muslims, of which this parallel is only one glaringly obvious example. You can call the people who promote conspiracy theories paranoid if you wish, but at least they have shouldered the burden of offering an explanation, which is far preferable, in my view, to simply changing the subject and pretending that you haven't noticed the problem. That's what you've done here, and it saddens me.


 * I had hoped you could point the way toward a resolution of this matter, or perhaps connect me to someone who was willing to do so. BYT (talk) 11:59, 12 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Ahhh .. OK, fair enough. I had noticed that you've been an editor for over 4 years, and figured that you were familiar with the process of Dispute Resolution. Here are the steps you should take then:


 * 1) Open discussion on the article talk page:  Talk:Israel and the apartheid analogy
 * 2) As the page is fairly active, you'll likely be able to skip over the WP:3O process, but it never hurts to try.
 * 3) If there is still no resolution (or WP:CONSENSUS), then I would next attempt posting to WP:RFC
 * 4) If you are still not satisfied, you can try Content noticeboard, although they may point you to:
 * 5) Mediation Cabal ... if that fails, then it's likely to get kicked up to ...
 * 6) WP:ARBCOM

Note: you should try the first steps first, and not do all at once or skip to the bottom. Good luck. — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ? 12:28, 12 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Right. Before I proceed, what's your opinion on this issue? Do you feel we should have a standard approach to naming conventions as they relate these two articles specifically (and note the inherent difficulty of using WP:DR to address standardization issues that affect two or more articles), or do you feel that the problem I've raised is not a particularly important matter? BYT (talk) 12:59, 12 August 2009 (UTC)


 * If it is important to you (or any editor), then yes ... it is important. Now let me add a disclaimer here before I give a personal opinion.  There are many editors here who are much more knowledgeable about our Manual of style, and Naming conventions, so if I was working on one of those issues, I would likely ask at those two talk pages before I gave any advice on what should be done.  OK - personally I would prefer neutral terminology for "BOTH" articles if possible.  I'd also work on addressing the concerns about the POV issues that both articles are tagged with.  I don't care for negativity in articles, especially when it comes to the article titles.  I know a lot of times people start pointing to WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS when you "compare" articles.  I also realize that discrimination exists, and that we have articles that discuss many types of it.  Let me ask you a question.  Is the term "Israeli apartheid" the MOST common name used by the sources used to reference and cite the article?  (Note that we do have that redirecting to the article.)  If it is, then yes, I would say that you have the stronger case in a discussion about it. — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  13:24, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

I believe it is, though I hasten to add that I am not wedded to moving the page to Israeli apartheid. My personal view is that name-calling is name-calling, and that if Israelis would not intuitively self-identify as proponents of apartheid, then the Wikipedia project would be best served by calling the article Israeli apartheid controversy or some such. (Indeed, if we were applying policies and procedures in an impartial way, the current title of Israel and the apartheid analogy would work for me.) Of course, I believe that if Muslims would not, as a general rule, self-identify as fascists, then we're better off calling that article Islam and the fascism analogy or something similar. I believe there is some policy that appeals to this "what would the group call themslves" principle, but I can't recall what it is.

You should know that I edited for a while at Israel and the apartheid analogy and got sick of it.

Here are some of the "Israeli apartheid" cites that show up in the article:             Just as with "Islamofascism," the article addresses direct ("Israeli apartheid") and indirect ("Israel's apartheid yadayada") uses of the slur. In Islamofascism, consensus is currently that no comprehensive listing of sources disputing the link with fascism may appear in the article, but I confess that the reasoning for this escapes me. My feeling is that this reasoning changes periodically, but you can confirm that for yourself if you have a lot of time on your hands. (See Talk:Islamofascism.) The Israel and the apartheid analogy article features the kind of comprehensive point-by-point comparison that many of us editing at Islamofascism would like to incorporate, but have been told we cannot, most recently because the people we're attempting to cite aren't explicitly discussing the thirteen letters I-S-L-A-M-O-F-A-S-C-I-S-M in sequence. Thus the popularity of the neologism "Islamofascism" currently serves as both the reason for the article's "untouchable" title, and the justification for not offering the views of reputable people quoted in verifiable sources whose work disputes the validity of the analogy. A very different picture from that which we see at Israel and the apartheid analogy, and one of many gross inequities, in my view.

For what it's worth, "Islamofascism" (in quotes) generates ~220,000 Google hits. "Israeli apartheid" (in quotes) generates ~129,000. (Yes, I realize we don't make policy decisions based on Google hits, but I do think this demonstrates that both terms are in general use.) BYT (talk) 13:58, 12 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Brandon, your logic makes sense to me, but I'm not the one you need to convince. I did read through some of the talk page comments, and as I said I do think you have a strong case, and you present it well.  I did think of 2 other places that might be able to give you a more definitive direction as well.  Reference desk/Humanities and Reference desk/Language.  Perhaps one of those places could at least tell you where you stand in regards to consensus.  Then you would be able to better know which form of dispute resolution you would need to follow.


 * What it all boils down to is that you need to convince the people who are editing the article that your wording is more in line with our policies and guidelines - once you've achieved that, you can rename the articles. Ask at the reference desk pages, see what they say, and where your next step should be. — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  14:41, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm. It is entirely possible that "the people who are editing the article" may not be persuaded by what I have shared with you here if they have not been persuaded by it after several years of my engagement on this. If it isn't clear to you, I should make it clear now that I am looking for help in establishing a consistent approach to the naming protocols on these articles. I already knew about the reference desks. What I'm interested in is a personal conclusion that there's a problem here, a conclusion that you or someone else is actually willing to stand behind. Which article do you think should be renamed? Put more directly: Which article will you help me to rename? If you'd simply rather not engage with clear cases of anti-Muslim bias when they present themselves in the Wikipedia, could I ask you to point me towards a senior person who is? BYT (talk) 15:04, 12 August 2009 (UTC)


 * There seems to be a touch of "have you stopped beating your wife?" implied there - but I will try to answer anyway. Just because I have a couple extra buttons, does not mean that I can do anything to help here.  We operate on consensus here, and my being an administrator doesn't give me any larger voice then the thousands of other editors here.  If there is an "anti-Muslim bias" here, there shouldn't be.  If there's a "pro-Muslim bias" here, there shouldn't be.  I've already mentioned that this is not a topic I am well versed in, and when you asked me to point you in a direction that would help you resolve it - I provided you with the links.  It looks to me like what you need at this point is a WP:RFC, and a discussion either on the talk page of one of the articles, a project page, or an individual discussion page.  One person does not decide what consensus is - the community as a group does that.  There is no "senior person" who can push anything through for you in this matter.  Do the RfC, and if a clear consensus is not found, then perhaps WP:ARBCOM will listen to the situation and deliver an answer.  — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  15:25, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm not implying anything of the sort. I certainly didn't want to suggest that you could make consensus materialize on any issue (that would be naive); what I was saying was that your insights on which article I should focus on would be helpful, and that your comments on that article's talk page would be helpful, too. BYT (talk) 15:35, 12 August 2009 (UTC)


 * My initial thoughts would probably be the Talk:Islamofascism, but let me think about it for a bit. And yes, if you open a RFC, then I will offer what little voice I have there. — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  15:41, 12 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the info. I'll give it a try. BYT (talk) 19:08, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

UFC 22
Thank you for protecting the page. I have been having issues with that IP for the past few days. The editor has not responded to any of my talk page warnings and continues to make edits contrary to source. I started a discussion on WP:ANI about it. --Drr-darkomen (talk) 08:05, 13 August 2009 (UTC)


 * page protected for 3 days, left talk page message, re to both editors on their talk, and re at ANI - I think that covers it all. Best — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  08:28, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'm aware of how to use references. :-)  This is an older article and it isn't exactly in the shape I would like to see it in.  The Sherdog "external link" at the bottom needs to be cited as the reference for bout order as sherdog is a reliable source for MMA related content. And yes... the 3RR rule... well aware of it... even if your edits are "good" you can still be nailed with it.  Anyway, thanks for your attention to the matter.  --Drr-darkomen (talk) 08:32, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
 * NP ... Best — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ? 10:24, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

RB?
Email if you like. There is too much going on for me to keep straight when I've been tactful and when the opposite.  DGG ( talk ) 03:08, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi Ched. I tried it but unfortunetely it only opening me the ref. parenthesis ref>Insert footnote text here/ref> inside the editing txt, no various fields to fill. Maybe has to do with using a Linux/Opera system. Anyway thanks in trying to help me, the intensions sometimes are more valuable than the help itself. But even with the old way I can assure you that I will fill the article with refs! Cheers! --Factuarius (talk) 13:52, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Why hello there old fellow
Just doing the rounds and figured I would drop you a line. How are you doing? <font face="Trebuchet MS">— <font color="#5A3696">neuro <font color="#5A3696">(talk) 17:11, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Interested?
Hey, I talked to Chzz and he is just going to spend some time at WP:OTRS and see how that goes, and then he would be honored to accept a nomination for adminship. I know you offered, and at the same time I said that I would put in a co-nom in an instant. I was just wondering if you were still interested in doing that? He just wants to wait a few more weeks to see how the OTRS thing turns out, and then he would be glad to run. Hope to here from you soon!-- Gordonrox24 &#124; Talk 23:51, 14 August 2009 (UTC)


 * It was an open offer. Just let me know when.  It has to be something that Chzz wants to do, but yes, I agree - I think he would make a great admin. — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  07:52, 15 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks, both; I will let you know.  Chzz  ►  10:18, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Great! Yeah I am an Earnhardt fan too lol.-- Gordonrox24 &#124; Talk 14:06, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't mind us Chzz .. us race fans are like one big happy crazy family. .. lol. ;) — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ? 14:10, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Its true, Race fans are the nicest/funniest people in the world! lol.-- Gordonrox24 &#124; Talk 14:48, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

please
I was not canvassing but asking someone's opinion, not a long list of people.

Please do not become mad and block me.

Acme Plumbing (talk) 03:39, 16 August 2009 (UTC)


 * HUH? .. who said anything about blocking? ... Acme, I don't get mad over a website. It's all cool, we're good. ;) — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  07:08, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Warning
I am formally giving myself a warning for violating WP:BITE. I stand reprimanded, and vow to be more cautious in the future. — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ? 00:53, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

signing
ummm...I know I have to put those tilde things. and i have been posting them so, what was that comment you left on my talk page about? Nosebutton : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?
 * It was just a reminder, nothing more. I had noticed several posts where signbot signed your edits, and thought I'd drop you a friendly reminder.  — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  23:15, 16 August 2009 (UTC)


 * sorry for getting in your face about that. I was just a bit upset. I don't really know why signbot signed it for me when i signed them myself. that's a little wierd huh?

Nosebutton : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?

dog
i don't mean to take up any space on your talk page but that dog on your userpage is yours? your so lucky! he is adorable! How cute. well that's all i wanted to say. Bye friend!

Nosebutton : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?


 * That is a beautiful dog, but no, a friend gave me that picture. My real life dog is here.  And don't worry about the sig thing ... we're cool . — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  01:23, 17 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Refactored the above as I have some concerns about some of the recent posts. — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ? 08:41, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

your real dog is soooo cute! I have a german shepard and a chiuahuah. sorry if i spelled that wrong.

Nosebutton : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?

Steve Titus
I noticed you were in communication with User:Acme Plumbing and you are an admin with awards like Helping Hand Barnstar, Guidance and Friendship. I thought you were the best person to sort this matter out. I had expressed concerns of notability of Steve Titus, citing WP:ONEEVENT. I requested  more references about the notability of the individual on the article talk. The result "You know why I created the article? It's because the investigation of his story won the Pulitzer Prize. Consider taking down that tag you put. Acme Plumbing (talk) 06:23, 16 August 2009 (UTC)" on my talk. I said "The investigation of his story won the Pulitzer Prize, implies that the book/report about the investigation may be notable, not the individual or the incident...This is my personal opinion. Let us wait for a third party view ". The next note I got was "I considered starting about 10 crime articles then decided that this one was the best, most interesting, and notable article. I have abandoned the other 9 or so. I am not an intentional creator of garbage! Acme Plumbing (talk) 02:40, 17 August 2009 (UTC)" I have never considered or called the article as "garbage". If you think the notability is established, please add a note on the talk of Steve Titus asap, else please explain to the Acme Plumbing, why the notability is not established. I will respect a any third party opinion. Your guidance may help wikipedia from losing an enthusiatic editor like Acme Plumbing, who has started well with Murder of Brian Stidham DYK. Please help. Thanks. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 05:59, 17 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I'd be happy to give it a try. I just read through the article and the talk.  I left a reply on the article talk page. Cheers. — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  08:35, 17 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Please leave a note on Acme Plumbing's talk, (s)he seems so disheartened and disgruntled. I felt it was the best thing not talk to him/her more but I request you: please help him/her understand. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 13:50, 17 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I'll try to think up some encouraging wording, and drop a note later today. — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ? 14:02, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

I have been misunderstood. I called nobody "garbage". I just thought of some articles and decided for myself that the ones that I did not publish are not very good. I did think the Brian Stidham article and the Steve Titus articles are notable. I also didn't call it "Brian Stidham" but rather "Murder of Brian Stidham". However, with Steve Titus, the Wrongful Conviction of Accused Rapist of Seattle (1980) is too awkward a title, I thought. Acme Plumbing (talk) 03:34, 18 August 2009 (UTC)


 * OK, it looks to me like everyone here wants to work on and improve articles. I don't see any deliberate attempt to call anybody any names or anything like that - so we'll focus on the articles, the content, and move on from here.  Redtigerxyz, I think that was a very kind thing you did; to come and ask me to offer words of encouragement to another editor - it shows that you realize there are real people on the other end of the edits, and I commend you for that.  Acme, good to see you shrugging off any difficulties and sticking with your efforts here.  I look forward to working with both of you on this.


 * Apologies for not getting much done on the article itself, but this local heat wave where I live has pushed my health issues a bit. My first big question here is this: Are you looking to get this submitted to DYK?  The reason I ask is because of the 5-day limit from the time the article is created, and it looks like it's already been a couple days.  I haven't had time to do more than briefly glance at a couple of the sources and references - and I do think it can be made into an article that meets WP:N.  We'll have to have a look at WP:COMMONNAME, and see what the title of the article should be.  I started a bit of a thread on the Titus talk page, so we'll go from there.  I put the article on my watchlist, so I'll try to chip in a bit from time to time where I can on it.  Cheers and best to all. ;) — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  04:16, 18 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much for your continued editorial help. The DYK is a goal but not as much as goal as getting a nice article written.  The 5 day period has been stretched from what I've seen. Acme Plumbing (talk) 01:29, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Funny
Why did you use my user name for a title of a section? 3O (talk) 03:53, 18 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Please see WP:SOCK, if you are sure that you are compliant with that policy, then please provide me with a link to the page or section in question. FYI: WP:3O is part of our dispute resolution process, and stands for 3rd Opinion.  Hope that helps, and be careful not to get yourself into any trouble. — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  04:21, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Usernames 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, and 29 are used. 30 is not but 30 is not allowed. 3O is allowed because there is a letter.

To answer your question, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:EhJJ (5 February 2009) 3O (talk) 04:40, 18 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Ahh ... OK. 6 months ago.  Anyway, does the WP:3O answer your original question? — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  04:43, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

DR PETER MCPARLIN
Hi CHED PAUL HERE

I NOTICE -I THINK THERE ARE ONE OR TWO QUESTIONS STILL AT THIS PAGE IS THER MORE  I SHOULD BE DOING HERE

IF THERE ARE TWO CITE QUOTATIONS I WILL HAPPILY GET THE URL-IS THAT HOW YOU SAY IT?

AND POST THEM ON TO YOU?

PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF THERE IS SOMETHING I SHOULD BE DOING

REGARDS PAUL —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paul-leeds (talk • contribs) 10:58, 18 August 2009 (UTC)


 * YOUR EMAIL 4TH OF AUGUST

HI CHED JUST  FOUND YOUR  REPLY

ONLY BY CHANCE THO  I AM STILL NOT AUFAIT  FOR WHERE  YOU  COLLECT  MAIL OR SEND TO YOU

ITS MORE CHANCE FOR ME RIGHT NOW

SO APLOGIES FOR NOT GETTING YOUR NOTE

WILL TRY TO GET TO YOU NOTIBILITY  BITS OF THE NET

AND POST THEM BACK TO YOU

PAUL

THANKS PAULPaul-leeds (talk) 11:10, 18 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Hey Paul, I will take a look at the article in the next few days, and try to offer some input. I see you got the signature figured out - VERY good.  One note: try turning off your "caps lock" key.  When typing on the Internet, it is considered to be a way of raising your voice.  If you type in ALL CAPS, people will think you are "shouting" at them.  Good to hear from you, and I'll take a look as soon as time permits.  Cheers and Best — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  11:20, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

notibility
hi Ched I have had a go at supportbale on line notibility aspects

I hope this may  help

and that i am on the right track

PaulPaul-leeds (talk) 11:37, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

NOTIBILITY

1. BELOW GOOD KNOWLEDGE AND UNUSUAL GUY WITH BREDTH OF KNOWLEDGE

New Member If you have also joined 'epnet' forum, then look out for postings from Peter McParlin (I don't know if Peter is a member of this forum). Peter has wealth of ... lists.becta.org.uk/pipermail/senco-forum/1999.../004342.html - Cached - Similar

2.main times and other newspapers writer campaigner

Times Higher Education - Time to care about those in care Pete McParlin Panic levels have been soaring with the capture of another... Peter McParlin is a consultant research child and educational ... www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/story.asp?storycode=95555 - Cached - Similar

3. key note speaker-this is just one example

[PDF] “Using a Therapeutic approach with the children and young people ... File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML 3 Jun 2009 ... Dr Peter McParlin. • Dr David Kingsley -. Consultant Adolescent. Psychiatrist and Head of ... Key Note Speech - Peter McParlin ... www.family-care.co.uk/.../Family%20Care%20conference%20flier.pdf - Simila

4. national advisorNational Teaching & Advisory Service Staff Website Manager, Pete Ruane. Professional Advisors, Dr Felicity Fletcher- Campbell Professor Sonia Jackson O.B.E. Dr Aidan Macfarlane Dr Peter McParlin ... www.ntas.org.uk/about/people.htm - Cached - Similar

5. used by telegraph

How will Shiloh affect the mix? - Telegraph 31 May 2006 ... according to Dr Peter McParlin, a child psychologist. ... to any child about a new addition to the family is crucial, says Dr McParlin. ... www.telegraph.co.uk/health/.../How-will-Shiloh-affect-the-mix.html - Similar

6. used by BRITISH PSYCHOLOGICAL SOCIETY FOR MAIN REPORTS 1.	[PDF] Report of the Working Group on Educational Psychology Service ... File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View huge contribution to the section on 'Young asylum seekers and unaccompanied minors' and toPeter McParlin and Tony Tarrant for their interest and support. ... www.bps.org.uk/downloadfile.cfm?file_uuid=3D3F9C99... - Similar 2.	[DOC] NAME

7. HIS OWN STORY BIO-OF NOTE Peter's story Dr Peter McParlin. Child and Educational Psychologist. Last Updated on Thursday, 21 May 2009 15:05. Copyright © 2009 Care Leavers' Association | Care ... www.careleavers.com/accesstorecords/stories/103-peter - Cached - Similar

8 ANOTHER BIO-OF HIS NOTIBILITY- serious misunderstanding - 06/06/2000 - Communitycare.co.uk ... 6 Jun 2000 ... At 16 Peter McParlin was in the remedial class of his Liverpool school, consigned to painting the pupils' toilets. www.communitycare.co.uk/.../a-serious-misunderstanding.html - Cached - Similar

9.

main orginator for looked after  kids getting to university

1.	Going to university from care - Google Books Result by Sonia Jackson, Sarah Ajayi, Margaret Quigley - 2005 - Education - 79 pages The idea for the project originated in a discussion with Dr Peter McParlin, who has used his personal and professional experience to campaign tirelessly for ... books.google.com/books?isbn=0854737154... 2.	Upton Dale 3.	10 quoted by  political parties  -this time the liberal party

Liberal England: May 2006 In February 1996 the educational psychologist Peter McParlin wrote an article for the newsletter of the British Psychological Society's Division of ... liberalengland.blogspot.com/2006_05_01_archive.html - Cached - Similar

10 winning his criminal injuries and seeing his file-led the way for others  to  demand their file

[PDF] Recovering mine from Hatton Gardens, Liverpool took two stabs ... File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View another story. It took about 8 years, three appeals, a personal appearance and I won. Dr Peter McParlin. Child and Educational Psychologist ... www.careleavers.org/accesstorecords/stories/103-peter?format=p 11

lead campaigner Archive search results - Children & Young People Now 15 Mar 2006 ... According to Sonia Jackson and Peter McParlin in the February issue of The Psychologist, the "care system" is to blame for the continued ... www.cypnow.co.uk/archive/results/phrase/.../20060315/ - Cached - Similar with sonia Jackson

12	more times stuff Articles, resources, support and advice for teachers - TES Connect It is time to address the continuing scandalous disadvantage suffered by children in care, saysPeter mcparlin. Since Professor Sonia Jackson of Swansea ... www.tes.co.uk/searchResults.aspx?...area...1... - Cach 13	Use of his work by all local authorites

Eg [PDF] E d ucation of Y oung P eop le in P ub lic C are E d ucation of Y ... File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML Education of Young People Looked After Pack by Peter McParlin. National Children's Bureau. 71. Personal Education Plan for Children and Young People in ... www.caerffili.gov.uk/pdf/Health.../Education-Children-In-Care.pdf - Si


 * OK, that's a lot to go through on a quick read, but I'll try to get up to speed on this. I'll take a look, and drop you a note in the next couple days.  Cheers and happy editing! ;) — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  11:41, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Your input is requested
at User talk:Basket of Puppies KillerChihuahua ?!?Advice 00:32, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * responded there. ;) "woof" — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ? 11:59, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

dr mcparlin
CHED

HOPE YOU GOT MY UPDATE YESTERDAY-AND AM WRITING IN THE CORRECT place TO GET YOU?

REGARDS PAULPaul-leeds (talk) 19:54, 19 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes Paul, I got your message, and I replied on my talk page. If you will scroll up, you will see my responses.  I'm sorry that I have not been able to do more in a faster way, but I do have many other items to deal with.  I have several other wiki-projects that I work on, and I have been extremely busy in real life.  Also, my health has not been very good for the last couple weeks.  As I stated above, I will take a look at it, but it may be a few days before I can find the time to do so.  Also, please turn off your CAPS LOCK key.  Thank you, and I look forward to helping you in the near future. — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  22:43, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

regret
aww crap. I blew up in huntsters face. he hasn't read it yet because he hasn't been on. if i delete it he'll find it bcuz this has happened before. I feel so bad. i was just upset because everyone is always judging my edits when i don't really know about wikipedia cuz i don't come on much. man. i'm real sorry. I don't mean i don't like him. it's just he corrected me at the wrong time lol. I know he is a very respected and valuable asset to wikipedia and i feel awful. I know he was just trying to help wikipedia from awful editors like me. :( sorry if i dissapointed you.

Nosebutton : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?


 * Yes, I've noticed. To be honest Nosebutton, if you have pushed Hunster to the point where he is deleting your posts from his talk page, then you have gone too far.  Huntster is perhaps the kindest, most understanding, and most helpful person that I have ever met on WP.  You need to listen to what he tells you.  This project is about building an encyclopedia; and while editors do talk a bit back and forth on the talk pages, this is not a debate club, or social networking site.  Focus your efforts on improving articles, don't upload things that are a violation of our policies.  Instead of trying to explain "why you are right" - focus on learning from what you've been told, and try to put that information to good use.  I am willing to help you if you have questions, ... and I'm sure that if Huntster saw some honest effort to improve on your part, that he would be willing to help as well.  We all have real lives here - some of us have more time to donate to the project than others.  Don't push.  Don't poke.  If an editor comes to WP with the intension of provoking some response from another editor, they will be blocked eventually.  Read through what Huntster has said, he's been extremely patient here.  Try to learn from your mistakes, and make every post the very best that you can.


 * You say that he corrected you "at the wrong time" ... I'm not sure what you mean by that. Just focus on trying to edit the best you can.  Do NOT respond to things with emotional "but, but, but" responses.  There is help here for you, but you have to be willing to accept the help.  If there's anything I can do to help you, feel free to drop me a line.  Thank you for the kind words about my dog.  I wish you the best. — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  23:13, 19 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks Ched. you really put in perspective for me. That cleared alot of things up. I really am sarry about that rude comment on huntster's page and will apologize to him after this message. What i meant when i said he corrected me at the wrong time was that I was cranky and didn't want to be ordered or corrected in any way. You know that feeling right? Where you think your doing the right thing when your not and don't wish to be corrected. well anyways, thanks again. I will try to make WP a better encyclopedia like you and Huntster. So are we cool?

Nosebutton : <font style="color:#red;background:#0000fa;"> ?


 * That's fine, ... just don't edit when you are feeling emotional. Don't make the same mistake twice.  It takes time to learn the ropes, just don't go raggin' on other editors. — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  22:32, 20 August 2009 (UTC)


 * completely understood. Am essage received lol.

Nosebutton : <font style="color:#red;background:#0000fa;"> ?

24
Hey Ched, I have been working lately on family guy, but i was wondering if you know if there is anything i could do on 24 that could be helpful because would want to help. :D --<font color="Orange">Pedro J. the rookie 01:57, 20 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Nothing that I know of, but I don't follow the 24 stuff as often as I'd like. You might want to drop a note at Steve Crossin's talk page, he's very much on top of what's going on at that project. — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  11:58, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. --<font color="Orange">Pedro J. the rookie 15:10, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
For the welcome, however I've been active for the past 3 months. Bit of a weird question though, but did my talk page look at all unusual when you went on it? Jeffrey Mall (talk • contribs) - 14:38, 20 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, ... I only looked very quickly when I first got up this morning, and I wasn't fully awake - so I'm sorry if I missed something I should have seen. I noticed that you've been doing some vandalism fighting, and I do thank you for that!  I am still a relatively new admin, so sometimes I miss stuff that I should be catching - and I apologize for that as well.  I just looked now, and it appears that some vandals have been retaliating against you.  Would you like me to semi-protect your talk page so that only established editors can edit it? Sorry for the belated welcome, but glad to have you here.  — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  14:49, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * No that's fine, I'll deal with it for now but I have been contemplating creating a seperate talk page for IP users and users who aren't auto confirmed. Jeffrey Mall (talk • contribs) - 14:54, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, well, if you need a hand with anything - I am more than willing to help. Also, if you see me making any mistakes - please let me know Immediately so I don't continue to screw up.  You can always leave me a message on my talk page here, or drop me an email.  I try to be aware of what's happening on WP, but sometimes I miss things I should have noticed. Cheers and best. ;) — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  14:59, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't worry you're not screwing anything up, thanks for your help and congrats on adminship. I hope to see you round a bit more! :-). Jeffrey Mall (talk • contribs) - 15:04, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

sorry
sorry folks... just so damn tired here. I'll try to do better next week. — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ? 00:31, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Your 'rap' said as much. ;) <font face="Trebuchet MS">— <font color="#5A3696">neuro <font color="#5A3696">(talk) 11:26, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * OHHHH My. Was that a burn? ... hmmm ... I just may have to respond to this ... when time permits. :P — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  12:08, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm worried about your street cred. ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:40, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Don't sweat my cred
 * It will be fine

The guy named Ched
 * can rap a rhyme

It's been a while
 * but "I'll be back"

And with a smile
 * I'll lay the smack

Some have called me
 * Term-in-a-tor

But you will see
 * I'm not a hater


 * — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ? 16:50, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


 * street cred needs some more work ched. =D. --<font color="Orange">Pedro J. the rookie 20:55, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Don't make me go 8-mile on all ya'all now...


 * From where I'm sittin', ya'all look like mouses ...
 * I'll bring a plague on all yer houses. ;P — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ? 21:11, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Your rhymin' is a capital crime and sin
 * It makes us feel like we've been hit with slime from the bottom of a trash bin.
 * Please put a stop to your rap, cuz it's nothing but crap.
 * I think you need a nap you big sap.
 * Should I wake you with a smack?
 * If this keeps up I'll have to blast you with a Gatt.
 * Go back to working on NASCAR or the ANI task bar
 * What you're cooking up here is not what we asked for.
 * You can still sizzle, just cook up some bacon instead.
 * Word.

ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:54, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


 * <Ched counts em up> Neuro, CoM, and Pedro J ... hmm 3 - 2 - 1 eh?  I'll be thinkin' while I'm gone, but oh-my yea .. Dis is ON! >:} — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  22:29, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


 * You kids keep tryin, I ain't lyin' - the mess you make, is multiplyin'
 * you three can try, and I won't deny - but when I'm done - you'll testify


 * your raps are nice, like Vanilla Ice - but i'll own ya'all - like white on rice.
 * It won't take long, go get the bong, - I'll smoke you all - like Cheech and Chong.


 * your rhymes are whack - they're just a snack - it's full course meals that I attack.


 * got no rhythm, ya got no style - all ya got is, a steamin' pile.
 * don't play the fool, don't be a tool - ya just don't mess, with us "old-school"


 * You make me smile, you go "free style"
 * can't concentrate,
 * contemplate,
 * evaluate,
 * designate,
 * ain't no debate ..
 * makes me wanna ... up-chuck gate.


 * While you're illin', I be thrillin' - takin' names, like Marshall Dillon.
 * Don't say no more, just hit the door - I'll treat ya like, a 2-bit whore.


 * so concentrate,
 * contemplate,
 * evaluate,
 * just don't make
 * me escalate.
 * Word UP


 * — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ? 02:16, 24 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Love it. :)  user: J  aka justen (talk) 02:21, 24 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I will not let that go unanswered.


 * Now here's a little story for that guy Ched Davis
 * I got more rhymes per minute than Beacon to the Mavis
 * My rhymes are calculated 'cause I've got four cores
 * And if I ever need it I pick up four more
 * Like Xeon, like Freon, my rhymes are noncorrosive
 * But when I drop the lyrics in the spot it gets explosive
 * I moderate my rhymes with skill, like Flagged Revisions,
 * I keep my rhymes so ill - I got precision
 * When Ched says word up, it's got to come down
 * But when I drop a lyric or a beat I astound
 * You know Ched Davis, his rhymes are intermediate
 * So listen up close while I drop the main ingredient
 * Mix it around, like Ched Davis to Add Chives,
 * Cause these rhymes are like a miracle, you know they save lives
 * So if you want lyrics only come to the best,
 * That's N-E-U-R-O-L-Y-S-I and S.
 * <font face="Trebuchet MS">— <font color="#5A3696">neuro <font color="#5A3696">(talk) 23:01, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Arbitration/Requests/Case/Noloop
An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Arbitration/Requests/Case/Noloop/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Arbitration/Requests/Case/Noloop/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, KnightLago (talk) 18:37, 23 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I appreciate the notification KnightLago, but I'm really not a party to the case. I had tried to calm the storm back when it got started, but my advice to both Noloop and Webhamster was ignored.  When NYB asked me to post links to relevant conversations, I was happy to oblige.  I'm happy to answer any questions that the committee might have, but for the most part I'd rather work on building articles, and maybe helping occasionally at AIV or RFPP or try to calm things at AN or ANI.  I'm not really interested in extracting any sanctions on any of the parties involved, and I'm not sure I could really add much more than extra text to read.  To be honest, I find the whole thing to be rather distasteful, and I'm not eager to stoop into those depths.  I trust you folks to handle it, but as I said, if you have any questions - feel free to drop me a note.  Thank you again for the note.  Cheers and best. — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  19:28, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Family Guy
Ched i know you may not be familiarsed with fG, but can you take a look at it to see how can i improve it. --<font color="Orange">Pedro J. the rookie 01:08, 24 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Pedro, I don't know what to say here. I've seen the show and all, actually I do like it.  Look for references, check for typos, use the talk page to talk to the people who edit the page.  I'd imagine it's a popular topic, I'm sure they'd be happy to welcome you, and be glad to have your help.  Be bold, and when something gets reverted, or someone says something on your talk page, just take it in, learn from it, but don't be offended.  You're doing a fine job here, don't worry so much.  It takes time, but you're doing well.  Relax, enjoy.  I'll take a look the first chance I get... ok? ;-) — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  02:23, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks ched your a great guy, =D. --<font color="Orange">Pedro J. the rookie 03:03, 24 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Hey ... I think you're a great guy too Pedro. ;-) — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ? 03:07, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Ched can you see this video and tell me what it says it cannot be seen out of USA, which i am. --<font color="Orange">Pedro J. the rookie 23:32, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

not neasesery i found it on Yahoo where i could see it, sorry for the trobule.--<font color="Orange">Pedro J. the rookie 03:20, 25 August 2009 (UTC)


 * no problems - good luck, and congratulations on doing so well ;) — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ? 03:21, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

DR MCPARLIN
Hi Chad

I[[Media:Example.ogg]] TRIED TO HIGHLIGHT NOTIBLE IN RED INK  BUT COULD NOT GET  IT TO LIFT AND PASTE

I will try to list under each one where it applies  why  Dr Mcparlin is of note NOTIBILITY

I hope this will give the idea and evidence of  why  he not  just a good guy-but is notable by who he is and what he has done

New Member If you have also joined 'epnet' forum, then look out for postings from Peter McParlin (I don't know if Peter is a member of this forum). Peter has wealth of ... lists.becta.org.uk/pipermail/senco-forum/1999.../004342.html - Cached - Similar

[[Media: Notability-This is because he is also ex care- one of the very few  professionals who is commenting on the experience of being a child in care from a care user and professional view]]

2.main times and other newspapers writer campaigner

Times Higher Education - Time to care about those in care Pete McParlin Panic levels have been soaring with the capture of another... Peter McParlin is a consultant research child and educational ... www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/story.asp?storycode=95555 - Cached - Similar

NOTIBILITYAbove demo on his notability in bringing to attention that almost( at this time) ex care young person ever gets to uni-and he says this as ex care homeless ex who then goes to Cambridge-of note

3. key note speaker-this is just one example

NOTIBILITYof note that he now address formidable audiences of professional to assist them in getting their  knowledge and practice correct

[PDF] “Using a Therapeutic approach with the children and young people ... File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML 3 Jun 2009 ... Dr Peter McParlin. • Dr David Kingsley -. Consultant Adolescent. Psychiatrist and Head of ... Key Note Speech - Peter McParlin ... www.family-care.co.uk/.../Family%20Care%20conference%20flier.pdf - Simila

4. national advisorNational Teaching & Advisory Service Staff Website Manager, Pete Ruane. Professional Advisors, Dr Felicity Fletcher- Campbell Professor Sonia Jackson O.B.E. Dr Aidan Macfarlane Dr Peter McParlin ... www.ntas.org.uk/about/people.htm - Cached - Similar NOTIBILITY-This concern advise local authorities thro the country about  looked after kids ( in care)  and  Dr  Mcparlin notably advzes on this( notibily given his background) 5. used by telegraph

6. NOTIBILITYused by BRITISH PSYCHOLOGICAL SOCIETY FOR MAIN REPORTS 1.	[PDF] Report of the Working Group on Educational Psychology Service ... File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View huge contribution to the section on 'Young asylum seekers and unaccompanied minors' and toPeter McParlin and Tony Tarrant for their interest and support. ... www.bps.org.uk/downloadfile.cfm?file_uuid=3D3F9C99... - Similar 2.	Dr Mcparlin notably advzes on this( notibily given his background 7. HIS OWN STORY BIO-OF NOTE Peter's story Dr Peter McParlin. Child and Educational Psychologist. Last Updated on Thursday, 21 May 2009 15:05. Copyright © 2009 Care Leavers' Association | Care ... www.careleavers.com/accesstorecords/stories/103-peter - Cached - Similar NOTIBILITY-This  show notability- his in care background-homeless-remedial ed- goes on to be a formost  authority in child care and psychology 8 ANOTHER BIO-OF HIS NOTIBILITYA serious misunderstanding - 06/06/2000 - Communitycare.co.uk ... 6 Jun 2000 ... At 16 Peter McParlin was in the remedial class of his Liverpool school, consigned to painting the pupils' toilets. www.communitycare.co.uk/.../a-serious-misunderstanding.html - Cached - Similar

9.

NOTIBILITY-main orginator for looked after  kids getting to university this means it’s the  first chance of  homeless ex care  kids  to go on to university  and they did- due to mcparlins  idea and motivation-this is not  just good its  notable 1.	Going to university from care - Google Books Result by Sonia Jackson, Sarah Ajayi, Margaret Quigley - 2005 - Education - 79 pages The idea for the project originated in a discussion with Dr Peter McParlin, who has used his personal and professional experience to campaign tirelessly for ... books.google.com/books?isbn=0854737154... 2.	Upton Dale 3.	10 quoted by  political parties  -this time the liberal party

below what other  psych is used by political parties to press the point on marginalized and poverty  kids-ie of note Liberal England: May 2006 In February 1996 the educational psychologist Peter McParlin wrote an article for the newsletter of the British Psychological Society's Division of ... liberalengland.blogspot.com/2006_05_01_archive.html - Cached - Similar

NOTIBILITY-10 winning his criminal injuries and seeing his file-led the way for others  to  demand their file-this is of note as its notoriously difficult to win on sexual physical psychological abuse-ie of note

[PDF] Recovering mine from Hatton Gardens, Liverpool took two stabs ... File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View another story. It took about 8 years, three appeals, a personal appearance and I won. Dr Peter McParlin. Child and Educational Psychologist ... www.careleavers.org/accesstorecords/stories/103-peter?format=p 11

lead campaigner Archive search results - Children & Young People Now 15 Mar 2006 ... According to Sonia Jackson and Peter McParlin in the February issue of The Psychologist, the "care system" is to blame for the continued ... www.cypnow.co.uk/archive/results/phrase/.../20060315/ - Cached - Similar with sonia Jackson

12NOTIBILITY	more times stuff major article which informs psychologist of what they need to do to help lac-of note Articles, resources, support and advice for teachers - TES Connect It is time to address the continuing scandalous disadvantage suffered by children in care, saysPeter mcparlin. Since Professor Sonia Jackson of Swansea ... www.tes.co.uk/searchResults.aspx?...area...1... - Cach 13	Use of his work by all local authorites

Eg [PDF] E d ucation of Y oung P eop le in P ub lic C are E d ucation of Y ... File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML ofNOTIBILITY- note as this is him as ex care-now being used throughout the country to train child professionals Education of Young People Looked After Pack by Peter McParlin. National Children's Bureau. 71. Personal Education Plan for Children and Young People in ... www.caerffili.gov.uk/pdf/Health.../Education-Children-In-Care.pdf - Si

MANY THANKS FOR YOUR HELP

PAULPaul-leeds (talk) 09:28, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

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 * Paul - no offense, but I have no idea what you are trying to say with these copy and paste walls of text. It looks like something out of some forum or bulletin board - which are not reliable sources, and they don't establish notability.  Links like:

don't help at all .. it's not the FULL URL. If there are newspaper articles about him - just copy and paste the URL. You haven't really edited the article I put in your sandbox - you haven't given me anything to work with here. I don't know how to help you here. I get the fact that he's a good guy that had a hard life, but that doesn't make him notable from an encyclopedic point of view. Did he write any books on a best sellers list? Did he do something that got media coverage on TV or in the newspapers? I can't do this by myself here. Write in YOUR OWN WORDS what makes him notable. Cheers. — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ? 12:49, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * www.caerffili.gov.uk/pdf/Health.../Education-Children-In-Care.pdf

Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents
As you participated at the above discussion, this is to let you know I've proposed an alternate wording (for reasons stated there). However, it is essentially the same proposal. If you have any objections to it, please note them down. Thank you, Ncmvocalist (talk) 09:41, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * No objections. I've said my peace, and whatever the community decides is fine by me. ;) — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  15:07, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Money where your mouth is
And here I was thinking you were speaking theoretically! ~ <font color="#FF0099">Amory <font color="#555555"> (user • talk • contribs) 19:02, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey, I'm willing to stand by my comments ... lol. ;) — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ? 00:28, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Grammer
Ched do you now something that can correct bad grammer. --<font color="Orange">Pedro J. the rookie 22:40, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I use MS Word myself, but I believe that open office, a free alternative, also has the capability to do much the same thing. — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ? 00:27, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

wait microsoft word, dosent that only work with spelling. --<font color="Orange">Pedro J. the rookie 01:42, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * ASBO Lutely, that's why we need apparently human editors to deal with discuss throwers, calvary charges and preforming artists.  Ϣere Spiel  Chequers  01:51, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * (I can't hold back).... Editor:Pedro, friend of a friend...it is spelled grammar. Thought you should know.--Buster7 (talk) 02:31, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually MSWord does have a grammar check tool, although as mentioned above, it is quite subject to human error ;) — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ? 19:28, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

FYI
I notice that you redirected the protected page Doctor Steel to the newly recreated article at Doctor Steel (band). I've just asked for some guidance on WP:AN regarding the new article and the many, many, many attempts to get the good doctor onto Wikipedia in the past; you may wish to comment, as I mention your redirect in my query. Tony Fox (arf!) 17:06, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Commented there .... the bottom line is that it doesn't really matter to me one way or the other, although in general I prefer to keep content and add to the "sum" of human knowledge. — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ? 19:26, 28 August 2009 (UTC)