User talk:Chekaun

Recent edit to Nadar (caste)
Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. I noticed that you made a change to an article, Nadar (caste), but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so! If you need guidance on referencing, please see the referencing for beginners tutorial, or if you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you! Materialscientist (talk) 23:04, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Channar ( Jatt Clan)


A tag has been placed on Channar ( Jatt Clan) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G12 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to be an unambiguous copyright infringement. This page appears to be a direct copy from ebooksread.com/authors-eng/h-a-horace-arthur-rose/a-glossary-of-the-tribes-and-castes-of-the-punjab-and-north-west-frontier-provin-eso/page-20-a-glossary-of-the-tribes-and-castes-of-the-punjab-and-north-west-frontier-provin-eso.shtml. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images taken from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted. You may use external websites or other printed material as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing.

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Ezhava
Hi, I have reverted you at Ezhava for a bunch of reasons. Some of your changes to the existing phrasing were not an improvement and you seemed to be engaging in sanitisation with regard to issues concerning shudra status and the Chekavars. Another issue, although by no means the last, was that you introduced something sourced to a Lulu Press publication - Lulu is a vanity press and thus anything they publish is effectively self-published and thus unacceptable here. - Sitush (talk) 12:24, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

January 2019
Your recent editing history at Channar (surname) shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing&mdash;especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring&mdash;even if you don't violate the three-revert rule&mdash;should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. Sitush (talk) 14:43, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

DRN
I have just helped you out by reverting these edits. They effectively transcluded the entire contents of WP:DRN to this talk page. Whatever you were trying to do, I'm pretty sure it was not that.

If you insist on taking the Channar issue to DRN you will be wasting your time because you have not initiated a discussion on the article talk page, nor allowed it to run for a reasonable time. There is a process, and you are not following it. Similarly, you are causing problems by creating new sections all over my own talk page, by not using indents, by using the wrong type of bracket etc.

No-one expects you to know it all and this place can be quite complicated. However, being aggressively insistent, as you have been, is not the way to collaborate with people who indubitably know much more about how Wikipedia works than you do. Take baby steps, listen, ask and read the responses (including any links they provide) - don't demand or run around like some headless chicken. - Sitush (talk) 15:53, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 * User:Sitush - Okay, so that is what pinged me. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:59, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * User:Chekaun - User:Sitush is not a vandal. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:59, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * If you do later come to DRN, you will have to wait for someone else to moderate the dispute, because I will recuse, because this looks like a conduct dispute. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:59, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Blocked for uncollaborative editing
You have been blocked from editing for 72 hours for insisting on calling good-faith edits vandalism despite being warned, for inserting and re-inserting unreliable sources despite being warned about that, and generally for being uncollaborative and aggressive. Please understand that advice from experienced editors is intended to be helpful to you; it's not a reason to blindly attack them. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding below this notice the text, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. Bishonen &#124; talk 16:28, 2 January 2019 (UTC).

Channar (surname)
You've just made three edits to Channar (surname) and I have had to revert them. One of your sources was a book published in the 1880s, despite it obviously not going to pass the guidance given at WP:HISTRS to which you have also been referred recently. Another was a cite linking to an illegally-hosted copyrighted work by Alf Hiltebeitel. Hiltebeitel does indeed mention Enathinathar on p. 380 but nowhere does he mention the guy being a Channar or (which is a different thing) bearing the name Channar. The third source was Swami Sivananda, who was a pseudo-historian when it came to matters relating to caste, was the founder of a "new religious movement" and in any event seems not to mention him in the source you provided. I have reverted you. - Sitush (talk) 20:55, 6 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Sivananda does mention Enathinathar in this book at chapter 9, which is a potted biography of the saint. But it says he was a "Shanar (toddy tapper)" - that has nothing to do with Channar (surname) and almost certainly is a reference to the Nadar caste. I don't mind helping people out here and I don't mind learning new things, but I do get a bit fed up when someone consistently sends me on wild goose chases while I try to fix their more basic errors in markup etc. - Sitush (talk) 21:49, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

January 2019 #2
Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear to be constructive and has been reverted. If you only meant to make a test edit, please use the sandbox for that. Thank you. Larry Hockett (Talk) 01:42, 7 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Eh? Regarding this, are you honestly saying that Thomas Nossiter is a pseudo-historian? And that an article published in Modern Asian Studies, a modern peer-reviewed academic journal, is unreliable? I think you're just making things up because you don't like what they say. - Sitush (talk) 07:51, 7 January 2019 (UTC)


 * And that M. S. A. Rao is not reliable, as you claimed here? Really? You may not agree with a source but that doesn't make it unreliable for use on Wikipedia. - Sitush (talk) 08:47, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Chekaun, any more pointy behavior and expect your editing privileges to be indefinitely revoked without any further warning. &#x222F; WBG converse 12:05, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Thomas Nossiter
He is a economist rather than a historian Chekaun (talk) 12:41, 7 January 2019 (UTC)


 * No, he studied as a historian and have you never heard of the economic history discipline? - Sitush (talk) 12:58, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Modern Asian studies
Its impact factor is 0.25. So it is not so reliable Chekaun (talk) 12:46, 7 January 2019 (UTC)


 * That is not the definition of a reliable source and the factor is actually 0.4-something. - Sitush (talk) 12:56, 7 January 2019 (UTC)


 * It is, by the way, also recognised that impact factors are not a particularly good metric for non-science journals. The system has critics, regardless, but for history journals they're pretty irrelevant. - Sitush (talk) 13:17, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Quality of journals
Quality of journals are always linked to impact factor. The more the impact factor the articles will be reliable. I think Wikipedia should accept in their guidelines for articles that the journal should have a higher cut off at least more than one. Chekaun (talk) 12:59, 7 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Perhaps but that is not the consensus and in any case the quality of a journal is not the same as the quality of an article published by it. Our RS criteria always allows peer-reviewed academic articles in non-predatory journals, which Kodoth's was. - Sitush (talk) 13:06, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Quality of ethnographic citations
I think Wikipedia should accept the citations by only reputed ethnologists and the name list of those ethnologists for each country should be published by Wikipedia. New comers like me will be benefitted and the overall quality of articles will be good then. In science you always need a bench mark. Chekaun (talk) 13:06, 7 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Why? Not everything in every article relates to ethnology, not even for articles about castes. It also rather contradicts your recent edits, where you have been adding sources written by ancient writers, founders of new religious movements etc. Make your mind up! - Sitush (talk) 13:15, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

January 2019
You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for persistent disruptive editing and misuse of sources, especially on caste-related pages. Compare all the warnings and advice on this page, which you do not appear to have profited from. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page:. Bishonen &#124; talk 16:19, 7 January 2019 (UTC)