User talk:Chelsea Mbakop

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Welcome!
Hello, Chelsea Mbakop, and welcome to Wikipedia! My name is Ian and I work with Wiki Education; I help support students who are editing as part of a class assignment.

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Problems with upload of File:Drbronnum1.png
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Orphaned non-free image File:Dr. Niels Hoegh Bronnum.png
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December 2022
 You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for violating the non-free content policy, as you did at User:Chelsea Mbakop/Niels Hoegh Bronnum. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page:. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 08:37, 11 December 2022 (UTC)


 * I understand that what I did was wrong and in the future I will have a professional look over my photos before I add them. I will not make the same mistake again because this article is very important to me. Chelsea Mbakop (talk) 19:21, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
 * A professional will not necessarily be of any help. What is needed is an understanding of WP:NONFREE which you can gain while you are blocked. PhilKnight (talk) 21:32, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Hey User:Yamla and User:PhilKnight,
 * Chelsea Mbakop is a student in a course who is learning . Please see her user page Do you think your communication could take an educational posture rather than a police/enforcement tone?
 * Please recall that there is an assumption of good faith on wikipedia. Asking her to write a treatise on copyright, wikipedia licensing, rules of copyright and wikipedia licensing, circumstances of using copyrighted material, and steps to avoid "violating" copyright policy in the future is not demonstrating any assumption of good faith.
 * Chelsea was building a new page in her sandbox and learning how to upload media. Instead of just blocking her as a user, while the page is still in her sandbox, maybe one could type on the talk page, "Hey Chelsea, your image violates the Wikipedia policy, the draft article looks like you did a lot of great work. Try developing the article without a picture." Or even, take a traditional tone like "Chelsea, before you upload the image, please check the copyright rules and standards." There is no reason to 'execute' the user with an indefinite block while she is building an article in her sandbox.
 * Her user page says she is a student, she acknowledges the need to improve her work, she says she is seeking help learning, she is working in a draft space. It neither promotes learning nor supports inclusivity in wikipedia editors to drastically punish her while she is learning.
 * Is this really what wikipedia has come to? It is difficult to see your messages and decisions as good faith and they come across as bullying. It is demoralizing and makes me lose faith in Wikipedia as an open and inclusive space. I am asking that User:Yamla and User:PhilKnight assume good faith, respect Chelsea's learning, and let her begin her work on her article again.
 * Breamk (talk) 23:07, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm assuming you are this person's instructor. Note that copyright must be taken seriously here, as copyright issues potentially put Wikipedia in legal jeopardy. We must be certain that the issues involved are understood.  Blocks are not a punishment, but a means to prevent disruption to Wikipedia, such as that caused by non-free content that is improperly used.  I'm sorry that this may come off as mean, but we cannot put the project in jeopardy. Perhaps it would help in the future to instruct students to not use images, at least right away(images are not germaine to the draft approval process). 331dot (talk) 09:03, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your response User:331dot. I, for one, appreciate your volunteering time to address this issue. I am concerned that the response is more invested in perpetuating the two previous administrators decisions and I find it difficult to see how this perpetuation supports positively improving wikipedia. There is an opportunity for an administrator to de-escalate the situation and remove the block.
 * You mention that "copyright must be taken seriously". That communicates an assumption that Chelsea Mbakop did not take copyright seriously. That would not represent an assumption of good faith. I hope all administrators could lead by example in this basic function of assuming good faith. If you are unsure if something was done in good faith, please ask rather than assuming the worst. Chelsea Mbakop has in fact stated above that she does take copyright seriously in her request for unblocking. The administrative response, rather than recognizing her learning, escalates and asks for more punishment.
 * In addition, you express a concern of legal jeopardy for wikipedia. The work in question was put into a sandbox (as described above) and not in the mainspace. I have checked with legal scholars at a leading law school on copyright and they see no legal risk for the wikipedia project for a student as part of a classroom assignment to put a picture with a copyright in a draft space that is then removed before putting it in the mainspace. There is no need to be dramatic about jeopardizing the entire Wikipedia project.
 * I understand you are suggesting that I instruct learners to not put images in their work. This suggestion is in contradiction to the Wikipedia associated WikiEdu project suggestions to include images. Perhaps one of the responsibilities of admins could be serving an instructional capacity in the WikiEdu project. It may help to strength both projects, increase the pool of talented editors, and develop the professionalism of the entire Wikipedia project. Improving wikipedia more than policing wikipedia should could be a shared goal. I hope all admins will join the WikiEdu project and positively contribute to the improvement of Wikipedia.
 * Finally, I understand you do not perceive a block as punishment. That is a privileged view that not everyone has access to. A block is the equivalent of a wikipedia incarceration, at a minimum it is a grounding. Chelsea Mbakop is unable to work on her page now because of this detention. It creates significant distress. To be clear restricted activity, even a grounding, and causing distress is a punishment. Stating that a block is not punishment does not make it so; the lived experience of a new editor is quite the opposite of your position of it not being a punishment. It has been quite punishing.
 * It is not clear why three administrators have decided to make this event non-instrucitonal, create negative perceptions towards wikipedia, and have given the appearance of digging their heals in after the User in question clearly demonstrates that they got the message. I will repeat, this perpetuation escalation of the negative consequences of the error in her sandbox gives the appearance of bullying. I hope the next editor that responds can find a way towards de-escalation and removes the block. Breamk (talk) 14:34, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I think you are reading more into my comments that I intended, but that's on me. I haven't evaluated this student's reply yet(and it may be a bit before I can, hopefully someone beats me to it)
 * If you have lawyers that say copyright violations in draft space are not a legal problem, you may want to have them communicate that to the Wikimedia Foundation's lawyers(link) since we state at WP:NONFREE that "Never use materials that infringe the copyrights of others. This could create legal liabilities and seriously hurt the project". I don't think I was exaggerating with my comments. I do wish you the best. 331dot (talk) 16:36, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * @331dot looks like we what the same reaction to this at pretty much the same time! But thanks for doing the work of providing an actual link to WMF. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 16:40, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi @Breamk For what it's worth, this isn't entirely accurate
 * The files are in Wikipedia's "File:" namespace, and they're accessible to anyone. The issue of including them in the sandbox is the smaller problem - the larger one is uploading them to the server. Without proper documentation it also poses a risk to re-users of Wikipedia's content (which is an important facet of the whole project).
 * Can you get them to share this opinion with the Wikimedia Foundation's legal team? This runs contrary to the understanding the community has worked under, and, I believe, the position of the Foundation's legal team. Given the implications for the project, it would be very helpful if this opinion could be communicated publicly with the team. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 16:38, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * The Wikipedia community's rules about non-free content are deliberately significantly stricter than legally required. What your lawyers say won't change the community's position. * Pppery * it has begun... 17:03, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay. How long will it take for my page to be unblocked? I have had sufficient time to think through the copyright process and no longer see the necessity of a continual block. Chelsea Mbakop (talk) 19:25, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * The Wikipedia community's rules about non-free content are deliberately significantly stricter than legally required. What your lawyers say won't change the community's position. * Pppery * it has begun... 17:03, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay. How long will it take for my page to be unblocked? I have had sufficient time to think through the copyright process and no longer see the necessity of a continual block. Chelsea Mbakop (talk) 19:25, 12 December 2022 (UTC)


 * I think the request is sufficient, but I'd like to hear any comments you have. 331dot (talk) 21:22, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Comments that I have or 331dot? Chelsea Mbakop (talk) 01:33, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I was addressing JJMC89(the blocking admin). 331dot (talk) 07:25, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Unblocking momentarily —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 06:27, 14 December 2022 (UTC)