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St Patrick's Cathedral (Dublin)
parentheses is not the disambiguator for geography. Comma is the disambiguator. Laurel Lodged (talk) 07:34, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
 * that's not really true. Per WP:QUALIFIER, point 2, "With place names, if the disambiguating term is a higher-level administrative division, it is often separated using a comma instead of parentheses". That doesn't apply here though, as the Cathedral is clearly not a place name. Therefore it should use parentheses, as does St. Patrick's Cathedral (Manhattan) for example. It seems like there are a large number of wrongly named buildings in Ireland and the UK already though, so I guess you're right that this one has to go back to its incorrect name for consistency. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 07:53, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't agree with that interpretation. See the disambiguation page St. Patrick's Cathedral where all instances use the comma. Manhattan ought to conform. Laurel Lodged (talk) 08:02, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
 * well I've linked the policy above where the rule is defined. I don't see how a cathedral could be defined as a "place name", and place names are the only kind of entity where the policy says we should use a comma. As I said above though, editors in the Commonwealth countries (and Ireland) have been doing this wrong for years, so it's probably a job too far to correct it at this point and this is all a moot point. All buildings and structures in the US use parentheses though, as you can see at St._Patrick%27s_Cathedral or Category:Statues in New York (state), so certainly the Manhattan one should stay as it is. Cheers &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 08:54, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
 * The disambiguating term is the geographic location, not the object itself. So "Dublin" is the disambiguator. Since Dublin is a "higher-level administrative division", then it needs a comma. Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:05, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
 * for the third time, that criterion only applies to place names. Since this is not a place name, it moves on to criterion 3, which is to use the Wikipedia-standard parentheses. This isn't rocket science. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 11:07, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
 * As someone who had to clean up a page title mess regarding St. Patrick's (Manhattan) mess recently, I should chime in. It does conform with disambiguation policy for US structures, for which literally all buildings and structures use parentheses, except for a few scattered violations. Actual populated places like Turtle Bay, Manhattan do use commas, but buildings do not, at least not in the US.
 * In the UK, Ireland, and elsewhere, I understand buildings and structures use comma disambiguators, and that is fine. In the US, the convention is parentheses. Since St. Patrick's (Manhattan) is in the US is not a neighborhood, city, town, etc, it does not use a comma. Epicgenius (talk) 02:31, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

South Africans in the Netherlands moved to draftspace
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 * I'm having a hard time finding any useful edits that you've made; digging back before the pages and pages of pointless moves, I see a long pattern of unsourced edits, and in a few of the cases where you did use a source, that source was pretty shaky in terms of WP:RS. Even if you agreed to stop moving pages as an unblock condition (which would clearly be necessary), I'm not sure if doing so would be net benefit to the project. OhNo itsJamie Talk 14:18, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

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