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St ambrose elementary school
You can't use WP:CSD for a school. Please read the criterion more carefully. Thanks. (The administrator who deleted it anyway shouldn't have.)--Bbb23 (talk) 00:21, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the information! I will nominate schools for AfD next time, instead of CSD. 123chess456 (talk) 00:24, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Message from the recent editor
Hello, I don't know if you are Korean or not but there are great number of Koreans who are against the 여성부. For I am a person who considers both sides of the opinions before making the decision, there are number of propositions which passed that majority disagrees from my research of the contributions that 여성부 made to the Korea's society. Please reconsider your edit and I understand that my writing style was not professional and expressed anger towards the ministry, but from a legitimate Korean perspective the world has the right to know the wrong/useless contributions the ministry made to the society. Please don't get me wrong, I believe strongly about women equality (although I am a man) and women should have every right the men does and men's ability/knowledge is no better than the women. However, Korean 여성부 is taking their power for granted and I honestly concern for Korea's future. Please all I am asking for is more thorough research about 여성부 and add the con's they have done for society. Do you really think changing the cross walk signals to have both men and women symbols (as the restroom symbols) will have any effect on women's equality? How about gaming shut down law they have passed, as you might know Koreans are known for their gaming abilities; lets take league of legends for example, who one the world championship 2 times in a row (from what I know)? Minors can simply use their parent's "social security" for registration, but why would they have to do such a thing when they have their lawful "social security". There actually was a trial recently concerning the game starcraft and a minor who's skills were far beyond the capability of pro-gamers but after 12 game shut down and he lost the 1st place and its cash award. Even the opponent agreed on the fact that game was fairly one sided to the Korean player and the opponent was against the shutdown law. Lets also not forget about the structure of the ministry. Yes, its all women and guess what? Women have strong protective feelings for their kids (I don't mean that men don't but Koreans do take to the extreme). Number of board members, as a mother, dismissed their son from the mandatory military services. Yes, their excuses might sound legitimate on the paper, but more than 5 board members' sons just happen to be dismissed from military? coincidence? I don't think so. Yes I understand that the President of S.Korea is a woman right now she prevents from dismissal of the 여성부 but we'll see how long it will go once the president changes. Oh also lets not forget about the law against physical punishment to the students in the school, I my self is only 22 years old but Korean kids need to grow up with physical punishment, or they will not learn to respect their elders like Americans. This one I can actually provide you the new letter source since I just read it too, http://www.bada.tv/common/app/movie.html?act=listbody&page=1&no=340885. And I don't know if you are aware there are number of videos online which young people in Korea talk disrespectfully to the elders and picking a fight for no legitimate reason (even if the elder was doing nothing wrong). Yes I do sound strongly against 여성부 because I am, but please look beyond my anger and with all do respect, I request for you reconsideration of 여성부 and upload as much of the negative doings of the ministry as the the goods they've done. For anymore information and if you would like to personally discuss about this matter, I can be reached at dandan323@gmail.com. Thank you very much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.40.114.56 (talk) 02:37, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. --SineBot (talk) 06:34, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Declined speedy
I declined the speedy at The Last Skeptik and cleaned the article up, since there does seem to be some notability asserted. It was certainly promotional, but I don't think it was intentionally done- which is why I left the history of the article intact rather than just delete and restart. AfD is probably the next option here if you want to pursue deletion any further. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   07:41, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

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Men's rights movement sanctions notice
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Speedy deletion nomination of User:123chess456


A tag has been placed on User:123chess456, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done for the following reason:

Disgusting userpage

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 * I remove deletion template, now iy your userpage better.--Vyližte mi prdel (talk) 13:24, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
 * When you will go it tell administrators, do not forgot, who it started. Bye.--Vyližte mi prdel (talk) 13:40, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

I am Toma646
For what you need CheckUser if i talk it you. T hereto you unable open request in Sockpuppet Investigation and you dont know what links.--Vyližte mi prdel (talk) 20:55, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

You now online
iF You now online, so answer here.--Vyližte mi prdel (talk) 21:55, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Govno
Do you play chess?--Hranečník (talk) 10:22, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

I like hobo game.--Hranečník (talk) 10:28, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

sources at the MRM
Hey 123 - Thank you for pointing out some sources you considered iffy, and removing the boston mag one. I don't know how long you've been following the article, but just in case you weren't aware, another chronic problem is sources that *are* reliable being twisted to represent a position that they don't at all support. Where you have access to the original sources and the time to do so, it's worth checking any statement that sounds weird vs the text of the original source to make sure the source supports the statement. Last time I did spent the time to check a lot of the sources in the article I found at least six or seven sources that were reliable but didn't say what the article claimed they did. Best, Kevin Gorman (talk) 04:43, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

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 * I'm not edit warring with this bot. The article has a PROD. I accidentally AfD it. Somebody else can deal with you. 123chess456 (talk) 03:11, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

False Accusations
this user has been falsely accusing me of sock-puppetry which is a false and chilling accusation. I feel this user should be deleted and or suspended.

123chess45 (talk) 13:34, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
 * If you wish to report me in a dispute, you may go to Arbcom, where you can file a dispute resolution request with them, after a few weeks they will review the dispute and decide what redemptive actions to take, if they take any at all. 123chess456 (talk) 13:38, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

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Assassination of Theo Van Gogh
Excuse me! Why that page is getting reverted. First and foremost, there are assassination articles on Mahatma Gandhi. If its that so why that page exist. Revert / Redirect that article to Mahatma Gandhi? Van Gogh's assassination is main plot and was killed brutally by assassin Mohd Bouyeri. And Gandhi was killed by Nathuram Godse. Does contributing is not enough or what? Sir, nearly dozen pages are created. But policies handcuffs us to make pages wisely. And for kind information, its a clear sir, clear case of "Civilian Attack". Bouyeri's motive was to show Van Gogh's action. Sir, if you dont believe here are clear cases of civilian attacks 2002 Gujarat riots, Bombay Riots, Demolition of Babri Mosque. Is this will be enough or still you want more? 42.104.2.147 (talk) 02:52, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Userboxes
I've removed some remarkably inappropriate userboxes from this talkpage that were posted by an indef blocked user. I don't know what prompted that user to post them, but maintaining them isn't conducive to building the encyclopedia.  Acroterion   (talk)   02:02, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Don't restore that again. If you do, I'll regard it as endorsement of disruption.  Acroterion   (talk)   02:26, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

NYIT
Could you please add Harry Hurwitz and Morrie Yohai under "Notable faculty, staff and board members" section on NYIT. Thanks--77788er (talk) 15:48, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
 * If you'd like to request an edit on the NYIT article, you can make an EDITREQ on the talk page of the article. 123chess456 (talk) 01:30, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

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Sock?
Hi, 123chess456. I saw you added a pp-sock template to N++ after I semi'd it. I didn't know that. Sock of who? (And how can you tell?) Bishonen &#124; talk 13:04, 28 May 2014 (UTC).
 * IP socks adding the same text repeatedly. No account to name though. Still, WP:DUCK. Are IPs counted as socks? I've reported some to SPI before. 123chess456 (talk) 13:10, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I found the SPI just after I posted the unnecessary question here, sorry about that. Technically they do count as socks, but there's often not much point in pursuing that angle, esp not with dynamic IPs. Semi's more likely to work. I've commented at the SPI, recommending it be closed, since the IPs have both been blocked for vandalism anyway. They sure have some interesting edit summaries! :-) I only semi'd the article for a week, as it hadn't been protected before, but please feel free to drop a note on my page if it turns out to need more.  Bishonen &#124; talk 13:34, 28 May 2014 (UTC).

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Prince's Palace Edit
Hi, I recently edited the Prince's Palace of Monaco page, and you reverted it back. I think this is a mistake because I worked really hard to make the language of the page understandable and easy to read for those that come to Wikipedia for information and learning purposes. Most times, it is young students that use this website, and I want to make sure that they can get the most content out of the page by actually comprehending what they read. If you could leave my edit, I would really appreciate it. Thank you. Stephalbook (talk) 02:14, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I think if you would like to simplify the article, you can go to the Simple English Wikipedia, which is basically all the English articles on the English Wikipedia, but explained in simpler terms. I would suggest you go there, and create an equivalent page using simpler language. 123chess456 (talk) 02:19, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Comma Johanneum edit
Hi. I removed the information on Fickermann and Metzger because it is wrong. It is untrue, and the contributor who edited that has known that it is untrue for several years now. The following is in the text of the article:

This argumentum ex silentio has been contested by other scholars, including Fickermann and Metzger.

The problem is that this statement is FALSE - Metzger NEVER contested this silence claim. The citation made in the footnote (number 28) quotes Metzger as saying something he never said as it is given. Metzger's "Annotated Bibliography of TC" provides SUMMARIES of works between 1914 and 1939. One of those is from an obscure writer named Norbert Fickermann, who nobody seems to know anything at all about other than this one nine-page article. On page 113, he cites Fickermann's article and summarizes it with the words alleged to represent Metzger's opinion. This is UNTRUE: it never was Metzger's opinion - it was merely a summary of the contents of Fickermann's article. It is somewhat accurate to say this was Fickermann's view, but it was never Metzger's. And as I've noted - the person whose obssession in life it is to constantly put irrelevant information on Wikipedia to support his minority view has been told about this more than a dozen times over the past two years or more. It is something he KNOWS is false. The information is simply incorrect. And that is why I edited it.

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Mulgrave School
Hi, 123chess456. You undid the edits that I made to the Mulgrave School page. I work at the school and made edits after it was vandalised with incorrect information about the running of the school. The changes I made are correct. Thank you. Lizacalderon; talk 13:04, 4 June 2014 (UTC).
 * Unfortunately, you have to provide reliable sources if you want to change things in an article. If you don't, it is considered "original research". Your edits, however, do not seem to be all about removing incorrect information. You have added a typo, unwikified a section, and removed content without saying why it's false. The constructive part of the edit was correcting somebodies name. I, unfortunately, will have to remove most of your edit. Novato 123chess456 (talk) 23:30, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

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User:Laden101/Saugatuck Cures
I userfied this instead of deleting it, per the associated talk page. Bearian (talk) 19:28, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Tom Calma
Hello 123chess456. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Tom Calma, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: '''Neither A7 nor G11 apply to this. Try AFD.''' Thank you. § FreeRangeFrog croak 05:07, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Graham Kay
Hello 123chess456. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Graham Kay, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Not unambiguously promotional. Thank you. § FreeRangeFrog croak 05:23, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

List of The Dukes episodes edit rejection
Hi, you rejected my edit to the first episode of The Dukes cartoon. I'm sorry but this is not vandalism, The Dukes do not have a cousin in Australia who is a boxer, he does, in fact, have a boxing kangaroo. I am a fan of the Dukes of Hazzard and I'm only trying to set the record straight. I would never spread a falsehood about the Dukes of Hazzard, even a falsehood on Coy and Vance (not that this is directly about Coy and Vance even though they are in this episode, I'm just making a point on my integrity, especially when it involves the Dukes of Hazzard). If you like I can send you a screenshot from the DVD. I know it might sound ridiculous but there's also an episode about a genie and one about leprechauns. A boxing kangaroo is much more realistic than those things, don't you think? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.86.8.128 (talk) 02:06, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
 * If you have a reliable source (in this case the actual episode itself), then you should state in the edit summary that it exists! As Dukes of Hazzard is very slapstick and inane, I could imagine a boxing kangaroo at one point. Although, we can't use the screenshots on Wikipedia due to copyright issues, I'd be happy if you were to link me to some sort of episode summary. Novato 123chess456 (talk) 02:27, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

About Left Behind editing
As the plot section tagged with, and the content seems likely to be a copy-and-paste from promotional sites, I think it's better to write a simple summary of the plot until the movie itself come out in October. 36.81.114.113 (talk) 04:29, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you for bringing the copyvio to my attention. Your plot summary wasn't very detailed, so I improved it and added a little more. Still needs improvement, but the copyvio is gone. I also removed the spurious warning I placed on your talk. Novato 123chess456 (talk) 04:38, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

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New Light Coachings the oldest coaching centre in the town dedicated to bring new hopes in every student's life.
This coaching center has been serving the students from 1988. — Preceding unsigned comment added by New light coachings (talk • contribs) 12:45, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Prod declined: Elkhorn South High School
Another editor has removed the prod that you added to Elkhorn South High School, with the following comment: deprod, appears notable as vast majority of high schools are Please refer to the schools section in Articles for deletion/Common outcomes. Part of the reasoning is that references for a high school almost certainly exist, although they may be print-only or behind a paywall. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 06:42, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, I noticed. Novato 123chess456 (talk) 06:43, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

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Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/International Association for Mission Studies.
Hi there!

I am wondering what else I need to improve in the article I have proposed? I already removed a picture (as suggested, 24 April 2014), then I provided necessary context for those unfamiliar with the subject (in response to the comment of 19 May 2014), and now I received a comment that the article lacks evidence of subject’s notability. We have already provided enough independent secondary references (“enough” for such topic as “The International Association for Mission Studies”) – what else do we need to provide?

What were the criteria when Wikipedia approved the article https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Association_for_Mission_Studies (at the “German” Wikipedia)? Do you want that we quote 20 or more references to make the article “notable”?

Please help us see the article published at Wikipedia!

Valbg11 (talk) 12:52, 19 June 2014 (UTC) Valbg11 (Valentin Kozhuharov)

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June 2014
Hello, I'm EvergreenFir. I noticed that you made a comment on the page Talk:Men's rights movement that didn't seem very civil, so it has been removed. Wikipedia needs people like you and me to collaborate, so it's one of our core principles to interact with one another in a polite and respectful manner. If you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. EvergreenFir (talk) 01:43, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Don't template the regulars? Novato 123chess456 (talk) 02:01, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
 * March 2014 was the welcome on your talk page. Pardon my mistake if you've been here longer. EvergreenFir (talk) 03:26, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see my mistake. The welcome is 2011, but the next one is 2014. EvergreenFir (talk) 03:30, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Yet the first edits on the archive are from March 2014... EvergreenFir (talk) 03:31, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

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Future software changes
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 * CirrusSearch will be enabled as the primary search method on additional 70 new wikis, including Meta-Wiki and Wikimedia Incubator, during the next week.
 * CirrusSearch results will soon take into account categories, the first paragraph and the wikitext of a page. You will also be able to use regular expressions to search the wikitext. It will take a few days for the changes to be enabled on all wikis.
 * You will soon be able to watch translations for e-mail notifications without receiving an e-mail when they are reviewed by another translator.
 * An IRC meeting to organize old high priority MediaWiki bug reports will take place on June 24 at 17:00 UTC on the channel #wikimedia-office on freenode (time conversion).

Problems
 * On June 19, all wikis were broken for about 15 minutes due to a high server load.
 * Between June 13 and June 15 there were problems with the scaling of video files due to a configuration error.

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VAM
Hi, thanks for the !vote of support at the VAM category page. I see your point, but I think we should wait a while before having a discussion around inclusion criteria; if the category is kept, the atmosphere is so politically charged that it will be really difficult to do. And while I understand your suggestion to only focus on things that are targeted at men, it seems rather odd when the VAW category contains a number of articles on forms of violence that are directed at both men and women. For example, domestic violence, depending on which statistics you look at and in which country, has a significant minority of victims being men. the same applies for things like rape, which are also prevalent forms of violence males are exposed to, but often in different circumstances. Acid attacks have been framed as violence against women, yet in some countries, according to the best research, men are actually the majority of victims. Doing a "whoever the majority violence is directed to gets the category added, otherwise nyet" doesn't seem very neutral, and will lead to strange things like cases of men being raped which aren't under VAM but only under VAW. There's no perfect solution, I'm just pointing out some challenges in sorting this out. My leaning with categories is ultimately to try to be more rather than less inclusive. Thanks again though for your thoughtful contributions, it's nice to have someone who engages with the material and doesn't pre-judge (which others seem to have, unfortunately). It also means a lot when someone, anyone, defends me from the vicious attacks that have been made against me, so I appreciate that as well. Cheers --Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 01:57, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

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