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18:03:04, 28 January 2018 review of submission by Litlmess15
Is there a general guideline for notability for coaches? The playing career was added on for biographical purposes, but the main notability comes from the coaching career. Would it be helpful to remove the playing career section from the article to shine the focus back on the coaching notability?

Litlmess15 (talk) 18:03, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi User:Litlmess15, the criteria for coaches in WP:NHOOPS ...
 * Have appeared in one game as either a player or head coach in the original American Basketball Association, Liga ACB, EuroLeague, National Basketball Association, National Basketball League (Australia), National Basketball League (United States), Lega Basket Serie A, Women's National Basketball Association, Greek Basket League, Israeli Basketball Premier League, ABA League (and its predecessor the Yugoslav Basketball League), or the VTB United League (and its predecessors the USSR Premier Basketball League and the Russian Professional Basketball Championship
 * Separately, WP:NCOLLATH establishes inclusion criteria for ...
 * head coaches, well-known assistant coaches, or players who ... have won a national award or established a major NCAA Division I record ... Were inducted into the hall of fame in their sport ... Gained national media attention as an individual
 * There is not a clear criteria for high school or prep coaches, however, the criteria for high school or prep athletes is that they receive substantial and prolonged coverage which doesn't appear to be the case in Williams' wins of the National Prep Coach of the Year.
 * However, once Williams accepts a NCAA head coaching job he will almost certainly merit inclusion as essentially all coaches at major programs meet the criteria of national media attention as an individual solely on the basis of the volume of press that generally surrounds their hire announcement.
 * Chetsford (talk) 18:33, 28 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the all of the insight. It appears as though there is a good deal of national media coverage (ESPN, Yahoo, AP, etc.) as well as a massive amount of independent regional media in the North Carolina, Virginia, Kentucky and West Virginia areas surrounding his initial hire. Would it be helpful to cite as many of these sources as possible to establish the media attention required? Thanks again for the insights. Litlmess15 (talk) 15:25, 30 January 2018 (UTC)litlmess15
 * Yes, correct. Chetsford (talk) 15:27, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

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What's RS
You recently reverted some edits I made, stating 'Needs an RS'. Can you clarify as I am a new user? Thanks. --Fidolex (talk) 03:18, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi Fidolex - content added to Wikipedia needs to be supported by a reliable source. You can learn more about it here - WP:RS. It appears the content you added had no source of any kind by which it could be verified. Let me know if you have any questions. Chetsford (talk) 03:24, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

SSAEL review
Hi Chetsford, our last exchange ended thus:

I think that's about it. If you can update these I think it would be in good shape, however, if you don't mind I'll ask a different person to review it. Chetsford (talk) 00:20, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Chetsford - I have revised both. Thank you for the guidance. Before handing over, could you see it to confirm I have understood you correctly though? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Snathcb (talk • contribs) 00:37, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

By when can I expect the article to be published or the next set of comments, if any?

Snathcb (talk) 04:09, 2 February 2018 (UTC)Sandeep
 * Snathcb - I think that's fine, I'd just hit the resubmit button now on the article to return it to the queue. Chetsford (talk) 04:13, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Chetsford... will it be reviewed in the regular queue or on priority? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Snathcb (talk • contribs) 04:06, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't believe we have anything like a priority queue. Chetsford (talk) 04:17, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

Dear Chetsford, thanks for being so approachable, kind and clear. My article has been "Speedily Deleted" by some Indian reviewer. I am in shock as it seems irretrievable and I do not even have a backup of it. Is there a way of at least getting the content, which was valuable time spent on research? I will contest the reviewer but without content what can I do? Snathcb (talk) 10:24, 8 February 2018 (UTC)Sandeep

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Help, I have no idea how to add a category as you suggest and have searched for help on Wikipedia, but don't understand it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Whatkatydid (talk • contribs) 10:45, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Whatkatydid I apologize for my ambiguity. Could you tell me what page to which you're referring and I can explain in better detail? Chetsford (talk) 17:10, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

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What do you mean "biography of a living person"??? GentleDjinn (talk) 08:43, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry, it was added in error - see . Chetsford (talk) 08:45, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

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14:12:51, 8 February 2018 review of submission by MPhilMediaArt
Dear community, Dear Chetsford,

I am again very confused to why my article was declined - again, the same reason was given by you, Dear Chetsford, Mr. Bielicky beeing not notable enough to be included in an Encyclopedia. Since Mr. Bielicky is an European artist, I completely agree, that the referenced bibliography may not be known to every world citizen. But since Mr. Bielicky studied under Nam June-Paik and had exhibitions starting only one year after the beginning of his study in New York, Canada, Japan, China and Europe and has his first major retrospective at the first media museum in history - the ZKM Karlsruhe - this year, I would really love to know, why he could be considered not notable enough. On the topic of the cited bibliography being not independent enough: I count 23 authors and editors from 5 different countries (USA, Germany, Canada, Czech Republic and Greece) in my references that wrote about him and his work.

I dare to add my conversation with Kung as well, who declined my article for very good reasons, that I have done away with, but who as well "thought the references where not independent," which they really are not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_talk:Bielicky_Michael Kung: "There is generally no problem with including additional references to help WP:VERIFY content, at least not until you get to the point of Wikipedia:Citation overkill. But all you need to demonstrate WP:NOTABILITY is WP:SIGCOV in multiple (i.e. at least two) WP:RELIABLE sources WP:INDEPENDENT from the subject. One other wrinkle is that comprehensive catalog sites, IMDB for example, are not considered sources for good evidence of notability as there is no editorial control as to what's included; the goal is to include everything. I assumed that ZKM was in that category. Your welcome to resubmit your draft for another look by another reviewer. ~Kvng (talk) 14:49, 2 October 2017 (UTC)" Thank You in advance for any help you can send me.

Best regards, Paul

MPhilMediaArt (talk) 14:12, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
 * "But since Mr. Bielicky studied under Nam June-Paik and had exhibitions starting only one year after the beginning of his study in New York, Canada, Japan, China and Europe and has his first major retrospective at the first media museum in history - the ZKM Karlsruhe - this year, I would really love to know, why he could be considered not notable enough." MPhilMediaArt - because the notability guidelines do not establish automatic notability for students of Nam June-Paik or persons who had an exhibition in Canada. For persons not meeting the WP:GNG, the notability guidelines for WP:ARTIST say the individual needs to meet one of the following:
 * regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by peers or successors
 * known for originating a significant new concept, theory, or technique
 * person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work
 * person's work (or works) either (a) has become a significant monument, (b) has been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) has won significant critical attention, or (d) is represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums
 * If you can respond with which of these Bielicky meets I'll be happy to re-review it on that basis in case I made an error in declining it. Chetsford (talk) 17:15, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

Dear Chetsford, thank You for Your lightning fast and kind response. Regarding the point:
 * known for originating a significant new concept, theory, or technique:

- Mr. Bielicky's Menorah/Inventur is a "videosculpture" which - as an art term - was not established in Germany when he created it - only by the end of the year he created it, in December 1989, Wulf Herzogenrath and Edith Decker published the seminal catalogue "Video - Skulptur retrospektiv und aktuell: 1963 - 1989."

- Mr. Bielicky was the first media artist, who used a - to that time - military grade GPS-system to track the Biblical Exodus in the Negev desert and documented this data in an early netscape website (documented in reference 18. Karl Gerbel, Peter Weibel. (Ed.): Exhibition Catalogue: Ars Electronica 95: Mythos Information. Welcome to the Wired World. Springer, Vienna. 1995. pp. 214 ff. ISBN 9783791318691), he is today known for installations of pictogram projections, that are generated by real-time Twitter- and YahooFinance-data, a concept that he started in 2009 with the "Garden"-series.

Please let me know if this information is of any value to You. Best regards, Paul — Preceding unsigned comment added by MPhilMediaArt (talk • contribs) 12:14, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
 * MPhilMediaArt thanks - can you point me to widespread coverage in multiple media outlets like major newspapers, national magazines, scholarly journals, or books from academic publishers establishing these two points and their significance? Chetsford (talk) 17:03, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Helicopter 66
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02:56:26, 9 February 2018 review of submission by Jonreillythr
Jonreillythr (talk) 02:56, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

I am asking what are you looking for because the reason for denial were generic. Is it the sourcing which are good sourcing or another reason you are not advising. As a Op Ed for WSJ and repporter for LA Times Entertainment Section this is a figure that meets similar subjects on Wilkipedia. In fact some Wilkipedia subject matter strains credulity as to its' importance. I would request additional guidance or feedback as to your denial. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonreillythr (talk • contribs)
 * Hi Jonreillythr, the subject - in my opinion - does not pass the WP:GNG in the way the article is presently presented. There is no assertion of notability; receiving "thanks" credits in any number of films or Emmy nominations (but not wins) is not notable. Simply having a part-time job as a newspaper writer (either for the Wall Street Journal or the Woodinville Weekly) does not make one notable as per our WP:CREATIVE guidelines. Being Kevin Spacey's manager, agent, driver, housekeeper, or dog walker does not make one notable as per our WP:INHERITED guidelines. You are correct, many WP articles should be deleted. However, we don't generally accept articles on unnotable people just because articles on other unnotable people slipped through the cracks (see: WP:OTHERTHINGSEXIST). If you bring your question up at the WP:TEAHOUSE you may be able to receive more holistic feedback. Chetsford (talk) 03:01, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Now ypu are questioning my credentials as a Op Ed Writer for the Wall Street Journal and writer for Los Angeles Times Entertainment Section along with various pieces in The Hollywood Reporter and Variety? I find your tone to be very demeaning and quite frankly sexist. You put reality show stars in your pages but not a executive that was not Mr. Spacey's "dogwalker" but Agent along with Dr. Dre and Guy Ritchie. What meets your standards of noteworthy? I am not going to fein myself as a Publicist I am a Journalist that covers the Entertainment Industry. So rather than barrage me with your demaning comments how about providing some insight of what fits your idea of a reputable figure? Also ten emmy nominations with 4 wins. I ask that another party review my submission. I find your comments to me as stated before demaning, sexist and unprofessional. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonreillythr (talk • contribs)
 * Hi Jonreillythr - first, I have never "put reality show stars" in Wikipedia. Second, if you are claiming to be Scott Walterschied, please review WP:COI and WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY. "So rather than barrage me with your demaning comments how about providing some insight of what fits your idea of a reputable figure?" To clarify, it's notable, not reputable. Wikipedia has articles on many disreputable figures like Jack the Ripper, etc. For WP's standards on notability, however, please see WP:CREATIVE and WP:RS. "I ask that another party review my submission." No problem, just click the "Resubmit" icon on the draft and another editor will be along to review it at some point. Don't hesitate to let me know if you have any other questions. Chetsford (talk) 00:21, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

I do what are your credentials? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonreillythr (talk • contribs)
 * Jonreillythr - I have a valid driver license. You? Chetsford (talk) 00:40, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

I read your unsubstainated claim that I was Mr. Walterschied, where did that come from? Fein means pretend and my statement was I am not his publicist. I am a Journalist. Again you have a very demaning mannerism and I ask for someone to review your comments to me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonreillythr (talk • contribs) 00:47, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Jonreillythr - you can file complaints here: WP:ANI. Unfortunately, I cannot complain about myself on your behalf, however. Chetsford (talk) 00:49, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Your credentials are having a drivers license again showing your demaning and bullying tactics. I would like you to explain to the Wilkipedia community your credentials as a editor. Are you a Journalist or a internet bully. Seems that you are sexist and a bully. I will speak to my editors at WSJ on how to file a formal complaint against your bullying sexist behavior and see where that goes. This is your platform for showing you have some power you probably never attained in life. It is sad when people like you arethe ones reviewing articles and making decisions. Why cant you tell us your work experience. I have given mine with the WSJ, LA Times, Variety and Daily Beast. What are yours? What qualifies you to make decisions from a piece on Donald Trump to as you referenced Jacck the Ripper?04:51, 13 February 2018 (UTC)04:51, 13 February 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonreillythr (talk • contribs)
 * I'm sorry your experience with Wikipedia has not been a satisfactory one, Jonreillythr. Have you tried checking-in at the WP:TEAHOUSE? It's a great place to go if feeling discouraged or seeking advice about WP. Chetsford (talk) 05:23, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:Apple_Maggot_Quarantine_Area
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 * Fish and karate no problem and thanks very much! Chetsford (talk) 00:28, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

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Request on 17:21:59, 13 February 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Dankitchen
Hey There, sorry for the delayed response. I am trying to understand the issues as to why the page for RuListing is not being accepted. RuListing is a company I work for and we want to get a basic wiki page in place. We figured the information was following the general standards for wikipedia so not sure what we would have to change to get it to post?

thanks -Dan Dankitchen (talk) 17:21, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi Dankitchen - to meet Wikipedia's notability standards for inclusion, a company needs wide coverage in sources that are both reliable (see WP:RS) and independent (see: WP:INDEPENDENT) of the subject. Currently your sources include a YouTube video which isn't a reliable source, and a press release, which isn't an independent source. The other three sources don't mention the company. Let me know if you have any questions. Chetsford (talk) 17:49, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

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