User talk:Chibirisu~enwiki

Hi - I'm a Japanese language and food buff. (I might look around the Welsh info too.) Anybody have comments on anything I've edited?

gyuuhi
Thanks for sorting out some things about that. By the way, what is the best form of the name? There is a standard on Manual of Style (Japan-related articles) to use the macron: gyūhi. However, if the name 'gyuuhi' is the most usual English one, that would be better. Hosking doesn't mention gyuuhi in his book. I found about 400 gyuhi and about 200 gyuuhi (some clearly copies of Wikipedia articles) on Google. What do you think? --DannyWilde 03:05, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Re: gyuuhi
Hi! There's two reasons I go with the doubled vowel rather than the macron. One is that the doubled vowel is more accurate than ignoring the long sound (which is what happens in too many places) and the other is that with Os in particular, there are words for which the macron doesn't give you the information you need to get back to the correct hiragana spelling.

When you've got a word that has a long sound in it like 菠薐草 spinach, I've never seen a cookbook that uses the macrons. The unfortunately most popular option seems to omit the long sound completely in most cases (i.e. writing horenso instead of either hourensou or hōrensō, which bugs me because you can't get accurately back to hiragana in order to perform a Japanese-language search for the same ingredient).

The reason I specifically use the o vs. u distinction rather than a macron is that it makes a difference in words like 氷 - こおり - koori, where こうり koUri would be the wrong word (公理 axiom or 功利 utility rather than ice), and kōri wouldn't give you enough information to come up with the right hiragana. Most Japanese long Os are おう ou combinations rather than おお oo combinations so people would naturally assume they were looking for こうり rather than こおり and こうり searches just don't come up with ice.

So I romanize with the doubled vowel method rather than the macron method in order to make it easier for people to work from the English transliteration to something that would make it possible to find the right pages in a Japanese search... does that make sense? --User:chibirisu

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