User talk:Chicaochoa

Your submission at Articles for creation: Kaji Douša (October 12)
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Dan arndt (talk) 21:46, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Kaji Douša (November 29)
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Jovanmilic97 (talk) 00:14, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Kaji Douša


Hello, Chicaochoa. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Kaji Douša".

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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Cpt Viraj  (Talk) 16:30, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

Draft notes
Hi - I wanted to give you a little feedback on the draft. The two main things here to look at are issues with notability/sourcing and tone. The sourcing is the most pressing issue at the moment since while you have sourcing, none of it discusses Douša in depth. This makes it trivial sourcing, which cannot establish notability. The only exception for this would be if it is mentioning that she won something very major or an accomplishment that would mark her as extremely notable, however keep in mind that things of this nature are relatively rare so it's better to find in-depth reliable, independent sourcing.

Something else to keep in mind is tone. You want to avoid this coming across as very pro-Douša. To this end you want to make sure that you're not overly extolling her virtues or using language that would be seen as an opinion or marketing speak. For example, the phrase "passion for" is seen as marketing promotional speach, so it should be avoided. You also want to avoid calling something a "hit" or going into a lot of depth about awards and honors that aren't hers. In this vein I would limit the amount of information about her family since this is an area where it can be very easy to write in a promotional manner. Keep in mind that notability is not inherited by her having notable family members and that playing up their accomplishments will only sound promotional.

Below is a sample re-write of the content in the personal life and education section. I would, however, recommend that you separate the content into separate sections. One would cover her personal life while the other would cover her education and early career. This way it makes it easier to separate the two so it's not as jumbled. Some of this deals with her ministry career (separate from her education and early career) so I would put anything that has to do with her ministry work into a basic career section.


 * Personal life
 * Douša was born on August 22, 1978 in Washington D.C. to civil rights activists Karen and A.B. Spellman. She is the youngest of their three children; her older siblings are musician Toyin Spellman Diaz, a founding member and oboist for Imani Winds, and Malcolm Spellman, a producer in Hollywood. Douša is married to software engineer Patrik Douša, with whom she has one child.


 * Education and early career
 * Douša grew up in Washington D.C. and attended the Holton-Arms School in Bethesda, Maryland. She attended the University of Pennsylvania and Yale University, where she earned a Bachelor of Arts degree cum laude and a Master of Divinity degree. At Yale, Douša concentrated on liturgical arts while enrolled at the Institute of Sacred Music[[. Prior to entering the ministry Douša worked for a financial services company on [[Wall Street, where she developed new products. Douša also co-managed and staffed several campaigns, such as her aunt Toni Edmonds Walker’s first campaign for the Connecticut General Assembly.


 * Ministry career
 * During her ministry career Douša has served as the Senior Minister for “The Table”, United Church of Christ La Mesa just outside of San Diego, California, as well as a sabbatical minister for the Plymouth Church in Minneapolis. Her other positions include a pastoral resident at the Village Church in Wellesley, Massachusetts, acting associate pastor at the First Congregational Church of Darien, and a chapel minister at Yale Divinity School’s Marquand Chapel.

This makes everything more straightforward and to the point, while avoiding coming across as too much of a marketing piece. Note that I am using her last name instead of her first, per Wikipedia's naming conventions - unless she is very widely known under her first name (akin to Doctor Ruth or Doctor Phil) she should be referred to by her last name. It's rare that someone will be so widely known under their first name that it should be used instead of their last name. I also didn't use her title as this is another one of Wikipedia's style guidelines. Titles aren't used on here unless they're very well known under this title (see prior examples). You can read over this here. Something else I did was to remove all of the name dropping and links to outside websites. Those should be avoided since that's definitely seen as promotional on Wikipedia. I also spelled out the full state instead of the abbreviation, as this is also a style guideline issue.

Since you've already been warned about the sourcing I wanted to focus more on the tone, as this is definitely something that can keep an article from getting approved - or cause it to get deleted as a promotional article. On a side note, if you were hired or otherwise asked to create the article, you need to disclose this on the article's talk page and on your userpage. I'll post more information about that in a moment. ReaderofthePack (formerly Tokyogirl79)  (｡◕‿◕｡)  23:08, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Welcome!
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