User talk:ChildofMidnight/Archive 9

Operation Noah's Ark (1943)
Note your suggestion about merging this. Not opposed. There's several small articles about SOE ops, but where to merge them is the question. The main SOE article is very general, it only refers to a minority of named operations. It would become far too large, in time, so regional summaries might be better, with separate articles where there's sufficient significance or info. This list is a partial list that needs attention. Folks at 137 (talk) 17:56, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmmm. It seems like the contents of the article could be merged to the list. As it was just a plan there doesn't seem to be a lot of notability, but maybe a stub on each operation is okay. I think it's just a matter of how best to include them, since I don't think they are worth including. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:47, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Ebelskivers
Have you ever tried this one? I saw a clip in which some food critic praises the dish, and they look quite yummy. You seem to be somewhat connected to Scandinavian culture (or Biking? :D), so I'm just asking. --Caspian blue 18:30, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * P.S It is interesting that many people in Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan state (cold regions in the U.S) are descendant of Scandinavians and retain their culture.--Caspian blue 18:33, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think I've ever had them. But I've seen them. Danish donuts made in a special pan, often served with fruit jam and powdered sugar I think. They look quite tasty. Thank you for reminding me of donuts. There's a new shop around the corner I have to test. :) You said or "Biking" but did you mean Viking? I prefer the NY Jets. And I like biking and Vikings. I was reading the Northlanders comic for a while. It seems good so far. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:43, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Of course, "B"iking (not to be confused with Bking from Berger King) is a typical typo done by me, non-native English speaker. :) Sometimes, I cause a confusion to people when I totally forget to address the adverb "not" which should have been in my opinions to make a sense. Ahmm. as for the Danish donuts, I was actually browsing info on how to get the special pan for making the food. I have no way of accessing the donuts. Oh, I don't like American football (that looks pretty violent to a person who wishes to live peacefully :)), so I have no special preference over any team.--Caspian blue 18:54, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for stepping in
Thank you for getting involved in the Ancient Egypt race article. Do you know where I can go to challenge the bogus banning that I and others experienced? AncientObserver (talk) 17:27, 7 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure what you mean by banning? I suggest treading lightly. Although I reverted, reverting back and forth will not end well. Do as I say not as I do :) I don't see any consensus for the article being solely about afrocentric considerations (and strong support and a title for broader scope), but some of the other concerns expressed may be legitimate. I'm not sure why the dispute is so knotty. Hopefully some reasonable compromises can be worked out. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:35, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I and 3 other users were banned from the article for 6 months for "a pattern of POV-pushing fringe theories". You can view the details here. Someone has already reverted your edits, not surprisingly. As you can see on the Arbcom page we have been trying to fight this but if the Admins are the ones we are fighting against I don't know what else we can do. AncientObserver (talk) 18:14, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Interesting. I just read the ANI discussion. It's disturbing. I found a pattern of abuse and aggressive intimidation and POV pushing from those trying to slant the article and gut it from a more extensive discussion of the issues involved. This contrasts with the efforts at discussion I've seen on the talk page from you and others. But I don't see what can be done about it. I have no idea why anyone with the slightest bit of academic integrity would try to gut the article and make it appear that the issue is solely a afrocentrism based controversy, but it is what it is. I don't see how you can overcome the very powerful admins involved. Sorry. You see that they're going after me now also. Maybe you can work on other subjects that interest you? ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:24, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Steak Sandwich Transclusion
The tags you asked about handle how the Transclusion works: WP:Transclusion. BillyTFried (talk) 19:55, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Let's wait and see, since I believe the main reason for opposition to a merge was because the individual pages would disappear, but with this solution they remain as they are. Hence it's not really a true "Merge" at all. BillyTFried (talk) 20:08, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Caution
Please be aware that Ancient Egyptian race controversy is under arbcomm probation, as per the notice at the top of Talk:Ancient Egyptian race controversy William M. Connolley (talk) 21:52, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
 * CoM, please be aware that some editor who was blocked in the past for abusive sockpuppetry is accusing you of some sock, and WMC is agreeing with so and even encourage the former to file a RFCU against you. You really should file an ArbCom on WMC if you want to fix this ridiculous thing happening.--Caspian blue 22:03, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
 * CoM, he appears to be trying to be your fried (with a little unusual way). Let him give a chance at least once.--Caspian blue 01:02, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 * His comments (we're not talking about WMC) on my talk page and now in the ANI thread are wholly unhelpful. I'm not here to social network. If he would be so kind as to unwatch my page and to disengage from discussions and issues that involve me I would really apprecaite it. If he fails to do so despite my numerous requests then it's clear he's merely harassing, trolling and looking for trouble. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:08, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, lutefisk and his defending from the absurd sock accusation are gestures to become your friend. Of course, you and he have unfinished stories on US politics articles, and sometimes, his comments are off topic. Yes, I've been annoyed by his comments at ANi, but he is not a harasser nor a troll. He has just a different way of communication with people who have different views.--Caspian blue 01:13, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Casp, there are plenty of articles and editors on Wikipedia. I don't know how much clearer I can make myself. I'm not interested in that editor's commentary and they need to find other places to banter (as they've been asked and instructed to do repeatedly by me and others). Consistently commenting in discussions where I'm involved amounts to stalking and harassment. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:17, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Hey ChildofMidnight. I appreciate your comments. I know they will be added in the future. They are on the rise and their message couldn't be more deserving of coverage. In this World which is missing many things positive and uplifting ThreePeace is a throwback to a more pure age. Not afraid to speak their minds and also having a message of peace with the music. The Music is great and the message so I will definately be keeping it and adding on when I get the nugget that will make it "notable". Not sure that is really clear through all the discussions, yet, this has only fueled my dedication to it. If is removed I will submit it to the ThreePeace newsgroups on MySpace, Twitter, and their own website and see if I can't get a few more ThreePeace fans on the cause. We will see and thanks for your suggestions.Riddiman (talk) 01:26, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Re: Sockpuppets
Re, your message, I don't know if I'm good at giving tips, past experience says I'm not, but I'll try. Usually just poke through their edits, compare the edits of the suspected sock with the master account on a single article they both edit, then file a report noting two edits from the accounts which look similar. If it isn't a clear-cut case, and the master has shown the ability to evade blocks before, a checkuser might be appropriate, if, for anything else, to see if rangeblocks are possible.—  Dæ dαlus Contribs  04:46, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Wiel Arets
Hi. I'm not sure how this talk thing works - as I'm new to editing wiki pages.

the information i changed was justified. i actually built this article myself (the original;as it did not exist before). i'm very familiar with Wiel's work. and i'm an architect - and realise that images are VERY important. but no architect wants BAD images on their wiki page.

there are much better images (copyright free) that i have found on flickr... an i'm in the process of uploading them.

the library is a notable building (but it seems a link to the university (where it's located) would be helpful for people unfamiliar with utrecht. i will begin starting an article on it... —Preceding unsigned comment added by ArchitectinNY (talk • contribs) 10:33, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Your mission, should you choose to accept it
ChildofMidnight, could you take care of this photo request? Badagnani (talk) 02:21, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I would like to. But I don't really get out and about all that much and I haven't been to that area. But I appreciate being thought of and if something comes up that I'm out wherever that is I will definitely try. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:40, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Obama articles arbcom case
I've requested an amendment to the Obama ArbCom case to examine and remove several of the findings of fact and remedies passed by the Committee. Your comments would be appreciated here. Thank you. Sceptre (talk) 13:59, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Question on edit
? Drmies (talk) 17:21, 9 July 2009 (UTC)


 * As it's at AfD I didn't think removing sources was appropriate. As far as the content goes, I didn't see any problem with including note of the reports on people's shock. But as I said, if there's more relevant or encyclopedic content from thsoe stories I'm okay with it being altered. How have you been? I saw a write up on Ono Island, Alabama. It's a bit elitist, but how about Orange Beach, Alabama? How far are you from the coast? I'm thinking of moving in the next couple of months. Is it nice down there? I'd like somewhere with trails, beaches, or state parks close by. And a nice walkable downtown. Let me know what you've got. Maybe I'll crash at your guest house for a while. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:33, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Haha, you're OK with it? That is SO generous of you. Reinstate them with the proper appropriate, encyclopedic content! But that's too much to ask of you, someone who refers to valuable contributors as monkeys with typewriters. Hey, I'll have you know that, unlike some other people here, my computer was built in this century. As for Ono Island, I had to pull out--all this reforestation is not good for Alabama business. We need pine, cheap monoculture, not fancy "exotic" nonsense. But they'd welcome you with open arms, no doubt, since, as I understand, they detest punctuation there. Drmies (talk) 17:42, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Orange Beach is nice--though you'd want to stay away during Spring Break. Well, I would, but then I'm just a monkey with a typewriter. Drmies (talk) 17:44, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm with the doc on this one, Wikipedia doesn't report on how people were feeling, we encyclopedize (if that isn't a word yet, patent pending), on what happened. Although it may be appropriate to not remove while the AfD is running.  I have similar issues with Murder of Amy Leigh Barnes, is it really important that her ex-boyfriend paid his respects at the funeral, probably not.  CoM, you weren't going to move to Fiji?  You should try Nevada, no state income tax, highest foreclosure rate in the country (the asking price for the house we just moved from went down $75,000 since we moved out, which is not a reflection of how we left it), we even have a Republican Governor (for now), although we also have Harry Reid. :/  --kelapstick (talk) 17:47, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Well well well. It's nice to see that certain species stick together. I just lost my hilarious response to Doc's post in some sort of computer glitch that is probably related to the edit conflict you seem to have caused. Is Doc going to tell me if moving to Orange Beach is a good idea? Do you think it's nicer up where the plantations are in his area? I'm just a humble person, so I don't need anything fancy. Just some nice trails and a town where I can get my groceries and walk around. Vietnam, not Fiji. See banh mi and pho for more information. When I searched for Ono Island Alabama I came up with something in the South Pacific... A sign? I considered Reno for a while. They have an up and coming downtown. Buffets. Mountain biking, trails, hiking, a river through town it looked like. A nice Uni. But it gets cold there. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:54, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, this is the real America. We don't walk around here. Drmies (talk) 20:56, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I hear you can get Mercedes cheap down there right off the production line! Should I go with white or tope? Where does the Lady of Shallots live? Do you think she'd want to show me around? K-stick is giving me the hard sell on Reno, but one of my X-girlfriends lives up that way. And we'll need much of that region for nuclear waste storage. Who wants to have to wear a jacket all the time? ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:01, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yucca Mountain = Las Vegas (or fake Nevada as we like to call it). --kelapstick (talk) 21:07, 9 July 2009 (UTC)


 * The Truckee River is pretty cool, they have a big kayaking thing every year, I haven't been. There is also a Minor League Baseball team (I am heading to a game on Saturday), and the University is nice, I have spent a bit of time there.  Don't discount Reno-Tahoe International Airport (which gets its name from the International House of Pancakes I suspect since there are no international flights out...)  Cold?  Well colder than Southern California yes, but I only wore a light jacket this winter, mainly because I kept my keys in it.  Good skiing too...Actually Sparks is nicer than Reno, with a conveniently located In-N-Out Burger.--kelapstick (talk) 18:06, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Harry Reid was certainly right about the war in Iraq. We lost that thing a long time ago. By the way, I'm on a string of bad luck with my comments. Not only is Doc unappreciative, but my harmless comment about regime change and the axis of evil to another editor was removed as "trolling". And did you guys know that interest in who the Egyptians were started with the Afrocentric movement in the 1960s and that the notion that the Egyptians may have been black is fringe on Wikipedia? Yup. No one had ever considered, discussed or debated who the Egyptians were before the civil rights movement. And apparently there is no way they were black. Not possible. Not sure why, but that's what I'm told. Crazy things you learn here on Wikipedia I tell you! And Doc, we Americans are not always shocked when the neighbors go on a killing spree. With some of the neighbors I've had I frequently expect that kind of thing and am shocked when nothing horrible happens. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:04, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

AfDs
If anyone enjoys doing AfDs, I think Assaultshirts and George Li warrant them. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:44, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * You talkin' to me? Bongo  matic  01:22, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I was just going to comment that I don't see you around much these days. And Warrington hasn't popped in at all. And I think Trusilver may have made it out into the light. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:24, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Been pretty jammed off-encyclopedia&mdash;may get back to normal soon. Bongo  matic  01:38, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't do it! Don't let yourself get sucked back in... But as long as you're here, I think this should be deleted also California Naturopathic Doctors Association. They always reject my speedies so there you go. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:43, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Double loop marketing needs a prod or AfD me thinks. But maybe someone else thinks this marketing-speak is notable? And the Stephen Gillett seems borderline, but maybe there are other sources... And then there's Doll & The Kicks, which needs sources or to go. ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:02, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Cleaning up List of topics related to Black and African people
We're cleaning this up.

What else needs to be done to it?

Please answer at Talk:List of topics related to Black and African people.

Thank you.

The Transhumanist 23:32, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

About Coeratadas
No, never heard of him, but he sounds very interesting! Thanks for bringing this obscure article to light (it's a stub that certainly needs attention). I'll look into it.-- Pericles of Athens  Talk 03:06, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yet another interesting character! I added banners to his talk page as well.-- Pericles of Athens  Talk 04:53, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Awesome! I might be able to contribute a little, but unfortunately I can't read anything in Greek! So I'll have to use English sources, naturally. I do, however, have access to JSTOR, which can be a huge help sometimes in mustering appropriate scholarly sources that can be trusted.-- Pericles of Athens  Talk 05:04, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Veraval Turk Jamaat
I am sorry, I have no idea about the facts mentioned... :( Paalappoo (talk) 07:30, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Person eating bacon. Enjoy.


Law type! snype? 08:21, 10 July 2009 (UTC)


 * HA That's awesome.--kelapstick (talk) 21:19, 10 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Are we sure this doesn't have something to with new math or fractional coloring? Food and sexuality?  Hieroglyphics? Ancient Greek? Who wasn't laughing when low profile Law was involved in some excitement over a high profile block? Great stuff! :) I like the bacon part, but the guy seems bottom heavy... ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:25, 10 July 2009 (UTC)


 * LMAO ... priceless! I'm not sure, it could be a view from behind of a man bent over, but, since I don't see any Plumber's Crack, I'll assume that it is a "head and shoulders" image. (Ched watches to see if CoM heads to "personal grooming" articles to edit).  New Math? ... please ... NOOOO!  Law blocked someone? ... <* Ched whistles innocently on the way out *> — Ched :  ?  21:49, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Blocks and bacon. Both of which I've utilized quite efficiently, however not without incident. I think this emoticon, (Ω≈) "is to be puzzled over and studied and followed... forever." Law type! snype? 22:26, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Wow, that is amazing! Drmies (talk) 04:57, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Paul David Wilson
When you get a few minutes (it will take more than a few) can you look at Paul David Wilson (the article not the person, well the person too if you are up to it), it is rather résuméish, (see the first line ("Paul David Wilson (born August 30, 1952) has, throughout his colorful and multi faceted life, proven himself to be exceptionally gifted as a songwriter, composer, conductor, producer, executive and human being.") and while I see some notability, it is probably longer than an article about him should be, or at least too promotional. It just got moved into mainspace after sitting in userspace for a while following a keep close at MfD.  Anyway another twist to the story is there is a main editor of the article, User:Pauldavidwilson who is (I am willing to step out on a limb here without a checkuser) also know as User:Paul David Wilson.  The second was mainly used as the userspace used to house the article before it's move, however I think he is only using the first user name for editing now. I notified him breifly about WP:COI, and there had been some notice at User talk:Paul David Wilson, not sure if he is taking heed or not though. Anyway I am busy this weekend with my son's birthday (and I don't do much editing on weekends anyway), and am off to Denver (actually Golden) on Monday for a week, maybe two, unlikely three, so I won't get a chance to do much editing methinks (although I may be around in the evenings depending on what is going around the hotel, I suspect nothing). Anyway can you take a look at it and see what you can improve? Cheers, and have a great weekend. --kelapstick (talk) 21:47, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Do you need me to take care of the wife :) and kids while you're away? I'll take a look at the article. Have a good trip. Don't fall in any shafts. Did you see my user:ChildofMidnight/Bacon economy article? The days of drilling for oil may soon be over! But I haven't solved the need for nickel and copper... yet. What would we do without penny candy. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:12, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I did see your bacon economy quite intriguing. If you are by the house, the beer is in the garage.  Should stop by for the BBQ this Sunday, the boy turns two.  No underground for me this week, it is all on paper (or computer), sitting in a consultant's office, slightly more hazardous than here, in that by the end of the week I may want to shoot myself...Funny you mention that about oil, I got an email from a friend today asking me about this forward he received that had a gross overstatement of the available oil in this area in Montan/North Dakota.  They email was quoting something like 503 billion barrels available in the area, when the Proven reserves for the entire Unite States of the US is 21 billion, (at least from the agency they said they were quoting, which was not the USGS like this page is).  Just goes to show, don't read everything you read on the internet. Wish me luck.  Should be fun, if I have to go the following week I might check out a Rockies game.  --kelapstick (talk) 22:27, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmmm ... word association time: WP:COI, WP:SPAM, WP:NOTMYSPACE - Wikibiz is over there >> and monster.com is << back that way. Doesn't appear to be deliberate attempt to do wrong though, perhaps a kindly worded message to the User talk:Paul David Wilson and User talk:Pauldavidwilson pages would be in order? — Ched :  ?  22:03, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree, although I think PDW has enough notability to pass a deletion discussion, so I thought a paring down of the article would help. If you could pass on some "advice" with regards to your concerns Ched that would be appreciated, sometimes I don't quite put it right.  Cheers all.  --kelapstick (talk) 22:27, 10 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Hmmm ... OK, I'll give it shot. Let me think a bit about how to word it nicely, and find the right section links - then I'll drop a note to him. — Ched :  ?  22:34, 10 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Much appreciated, thanks. --kelapstick (talk) 22:38, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Candy
Hey CoM. I know this is going back quite a while, back to when we first met at Stick candy. I recently ate at Cracker Barrel, and grabbed some stick candy for my grandkids. Do you need me to take a pic of them next to a tape measure to verify the length and width? — Ched :  ? 22:32, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:OR. Ώ≈ --kelapstick (talk) 22:38, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The latest battleground is Insadong. I love homemade photos of food products, as well as good faith OR. Let's see what you've get Ched. Make sure to focus. And get it close up. What flavors did they have?
 * The reason there were so many shaky cites put in that article was because I had this fear that drive by editors would add all sorts of flavors (the way architects are added to list of architects and groups are added to the space rock article) which is a pain to sort out as far as what's valid and what isn't. So I figured I'd cite it all since the wacky flavors are integral to the products unique character. Omega is not equal approximately equal to negative negative (postive?) Kelapstick? ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:46, 10 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Omega is approximately equal to (negative negative) kelapstick. Not equal is ≠. What was that about new math?--kelapstick (talk) 22:49, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Oops. Don't know where I got the "does not equal" from. Maybe I better leave the higher math to you know who... :) New math? You missed the whole (and I mean entire, not whole number) fractional coloring discussion? We can sort out how many socks it takes to disrupt Wikipedia. And allocate the appropriate number of POV pushers to keep notable controversies and criticisms out of the Obama articles. And it might also be useful in determining how many admins it takes to screw in a light bulb. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:53, 10 July 2009 (UTC)


 * yep, missed that discussion. How many admins. does it take to screw in a light-bulb.  Oh good heavens, I'm afraid to even ask.  I suppose before we do the math on it though - we'll need x10 number of admins to establish the proper policy first. >:) (oh, wait, that's me now too .... scratch that) — Ched :  ?  23:51, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Here are a couple of illustrations of coloring with fractions. A pair of dots joined with a line can't share any colors. Got it?


 * Hey, I know just the person I could ask to explain it to me ... Jedi master GTBacchus! Ched :  ? 00:14, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * GTB ... if you happen to read that ... I didn't say that! Honest! :-) — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ? 02:15, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I got as far as figuring out that you have to count how many different colors there are. And I think if they are half colors then you divide by two. It has something to do with allocating resources or colors on a map where you don't want the same color to be contiguous with another area of the same color. But I mostly don't understand it and it doesn't seem to have much to do with bacon. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:25, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Wait but there are only five colors in the 6/2 example? Uh oh. Or is one color red and one orange? That would make six. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:29, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Seriously though
CoM, I don't know how much you've been following along with the Civility Poll, but one thing that's been rolling around in my mind finally found its way to something I'm considering posting to the page. I asked how the question would be taken here, and I think it's an important question to ask in regards to civility. Certainly some may consider it a pointed question relating to the Butcher group incident, but actually it goes further into history than that. I ran across some AN/I threads long ago (in wiki-time) regarding an editor who was working on some 10-string guitar article. What people put up with amazed me, and when another expert received preferential treatment (in my opinion), I was left wondering why we should accept this in an "open community". I'm not trying to dwell on the past CoM, but I would like to find a way to avoid future injustices. Didn't know if you'd be interested in following along or not. (and I'll set up a shoot on the stick candy in the next day or two - cotton candy, cinnamon, bubble-gum, clove, and maybe root-beer were the flavors I think) — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ? 02:15, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I voted in the poll. Isn't that enough? ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:18, 11 July 2009 (UTC)


 * CoM, I've never known you to simply do "enough". The day I see you stop going "full out", may be the day I need to call my CERT friends to bring up an AED. — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  03:12, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Isn't it something that in this day and age with all his nurses and doctors and drug dispensers, MJ didn't have an automated external defibrillator? Not just for himself, but all the staff and people around him. Such an easy and inexpensive lifesaver to have around. Should we start clearing out some essays and guidlines pages at MfD? ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:20, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK Medal
How did you get it?174.3.103.39 (talk) 02:52, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I worked on a lot of new articles and someone gave it to me. Do you want one? I'm happy to help you work on some articles that would be suitable for DYKs. Do you have an account name? I have trouble keeping track of numbers with more than one digit. ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:16, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you
Thanks. I really appreciate it.Dave (talk) 04:09, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Fiep Westendorp
Ha, I'm sure you saw my edit summary. Sorry. Thanks anyway though! And thanks also for what you did on the talkpage there, the request for photos. Did you click the HEMA link? Yeah, she worked with a few other writers too, but the Schmidt-Westendorp collaboration is almost beyond iconic. I'm reading Pluk to Elisabeth, one chapter a night--she can't wait for us to get to the wolf, but we have a few weeks to go. (Recap: Pluk found a home, saved the cockroach Zaza from Mrs. Helderder's spray can, visited the Stampertjes and ate french fries in their apartment, went to the park with Aagje where she saved a squirrel, Duizeltje, and with his tow truck pulled the longest horse of the world out of a muddy canal. Oh, and he almost got kicked out of his new apartment in the Petteflet, but the Major prevented that. Such adventures!) Later, Drmies (talk) 04:53, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a good story. Certainly consistent with the other fictional storytelling sources you like. My edit summary wasn't very good, but I was trying to suggest that the wording makes it seem that the person is notable for having collaborated with someone, rather than for the work produced in collaboration with someone. Perhaps it's too fine a point? Oh well. Have fun. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:03, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that was precisely the thing. But I appreciate the help! Ω≈

Proposed merges for Food and Drink
Based on your recent participation in several Food and Drink related merge discussion, I would like to point out several open discussions that might interest you:
 * Proposed merge of Jumbals to Jumble (cookie). Discuss here.
 * Proposed merge of Kerala porotta and Malabari paratha. Discuss here.
 * Proposed merge of Maple spice cake to Spice cake. Discuss here.
 * Proposed merge of Patty melt to Cheeseburger. Discuss here.
 * Proposed merge of Butterfly cake to Cupcake. Discuss here.
 * Proposed merge of Majboos and Kabsa. Discuss here.

--Jeremy (blah blah) 05:11, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Iceland-South Korea relations
I have added some content here - more than enough to establish a deep and entirely notable relationship in my opinion. But being a modest and retiring sort of editor, I will let you take full credit when you post the article to mainspace. Aymatth2 (talk) 20:50, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Chile is notable only for Bernardo O'Higgins, copper, red wine and braised Patagonian lamb. Uruguay is notable for so much more. Aymatth2 (talk) 01:41, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * But it's true! That is what they call it. Although maybe the article has been infected by others in the CoM space. Aymatth2 (talk) 17:36, 10 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I wanted photos of real warriors with horns on their heads but Wikimedia would not oblige. In my view, the article now gives in-depth coverage of all essential aspects of the relationship backed up by solid sources, and cannot be improved. Feel free to edit, but the last word must stay the same of course. Aymatth2 (talk) 01:02, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Taxation is the last thing anyone wants to hear about. If you check the Gylfason reference and search for "Korea", you will find the full quote: "By 1985, leaving Africa behind, Iceland had become South Korea." This is a profound observation. Remember, our audience is the high school student working on an assignment. Our duty is to present the essential aspects of this important subject in a neutral and unbiased but verifiable form, without irrelevant trivia. Aymatth2 (talk) 01:31, 11 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Your action was quite unexpected. I am flummoxed. Where will it all lead to in the end? Confusion, conflict and botheration is my opinion. I will make sure to observe this article very closely indeed. I do not want any trouble that can be avoided. What a pickle. And I like both herring and cabbage variety. Aymatth2 (talk) 02:59, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't know. I wasn't taking it seriously at all - just seeing it as pure parody of a desperate recovery attempt. If it stays in main space, I suppose it should be fixed up. That could be done but would make it a lot duller. Could be saved - they all can. But taxation treaties etc. would have to go back in, and some of the comparisons would have to be dropped. Fish would have to go, although I would miss Spaghetti with Smoked Salmon. Peik’ŏn has to stay, but might need some padding. I don't know. Aymatth2 (talk) 13:16, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Sanitized the article. But my heart was not in it. Aymatth2 (talk) 19:50, 11 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah - very boring. No noodle-loving vikings sailing across the steppes of central Asia in search of pickles and electric guitars. Just unconvincing arguments about whale meat. But the good version would have quickly been put to death. Maybe should have left it user space. Aymatth2 (talk) 20:31, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Good solution - congratulations. Aymatth2 (talk) 00:05, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

RfC on merger of Bristol Indymedia with Independent Media Center
User:Simon Dodd has requested comment on the proposed merger. You are being informed as you participated in the recent AfD discussion. Discussion at Talk:Bristol Indymedia Jezhotwells (talk) 08:36, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

The Surreal Barnstar

 * :~) Aymatth2 (talk) 17:30, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

I wish
you would better redact the last comment regarding your hopeful ArbCom plan and capital punishment or the whole opinion? That sounds reckless in the situation because you can be viewed as "enjoy the whole situation".--Caspian blue 00:06, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Casp when did you become so serious? ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:10, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * How do you know whether capital punishment is an effective Arbcom remedy unless it's tried? It could go a long way in cutting down on drama. Although I suppose there is a counter argument that it would only increase the level of drama (at least for a short time...). ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:14, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Joking is not my specialty and I highly respect the admin.--Caspian blue 00:19, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I think you should tell him that. My reference to capital punishment isn't in regard to him at all and has no conscious relation to the mentions of the "T&P crowd". It's only a statement on my approach to resolving disputes. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:24, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Did you notice someone said something about a "Herring Mop Kid"? Could that have something to do with South Korea-Iceland relations? ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:26, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I know what you meant by it.
 * Of course, that name calling is associated with his peeking into your sincere devotion to pickling herring and cabbage.--Caspian blue 17:46, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Electro-kinetic road ramp
Thanks for fixing Electro-kinetic road ramp. I thought I had used copy and paste to create the title, but I guess perhaps I hadn't. Thanks for helping out. Grundle2600 (talk) 07:31, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Request for clarification
Please, got to Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification.--Lusala lu ne Nkuka Luka (talk) 14:43, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

RE: Bacon
Alrighty then. Looking forward to it. Mmmm, bacon... <font style="color:#9999CC;">weburiedoursecretsinthe <font style="color:#000099;">garden  19:33, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

User rights
Per your question here. The answer is likely that you have not requested any additional rights. see: WP:PERM. However, in boldly reviewing your contributions, which exceed 20,000 - I believe that you can be trusted with a few additional tools that will improve your abilities to contribute to our project. I have added the following rights to your list: 1. Rollback. Please note that this should never be used in a content dispute, but only for blatant vandalism. Please read through: WP:ROLLBACK

2. Autoreview. As you have contributed to over 1,000 NPP efforts, and created 100 articles, I believe you would find this tool useful in relieving others of reviewing some of your work. (although I do realize that your edits are reviewed by a great number of people, and in great detail). Please read through Autoreviewer

Best of luck, and feel free to ask if you have any questions. ;-) — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ? 17:23, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * You are a madman. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:28, 12 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I believe that you just might be able to establish "consensus" for that. ;) — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ? 17:30, 12 July 2009 (UTC)


 * OH NO WHAT HAVE YOU DONE??? AAAARGHHHH! ROLLBACK FOR THIS TROUBLEMAKER!!! That's it, I'm going over to Conservapedia. Drmies (talk) 02:17, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Never mind that last remark--after looking at this I take it back. What a bunch of ... ha, words fail me. Drmies (talk) 02:26, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Looks okay to me. :)  Did you think his close connections to corrupt convicted felons and known terrorists should have been made more prominent?  Or were you unhappy with the neglect that the record deficits, massive unemployment increases despite huge government spending and borrowing and tax increases received? My favorite Obama quote so far, in all seriousness, is when he says that the plan to have the government take over the health care system isn't socialism. Let me know if you want the exact quote. He's slick, I'll give him that. But hopefully it will all work out like it did in 1994 right?  Good times after responsible parties took over the legislative branch. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:36, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmmm I kind of missed the part that suggested the US was a democracy, and the president was elected in a fairly democratic way, without resort to Supreme Courts and all that. A national health care system is not socialist, unfortunately. Didn't Thatcher's England have the NHS already? Would you say that the Iron Lady was a socialist for not demolishing the NHS? Thanks; I accept your apology. The clincher is that the president is a Muslim cause he doesn't go to church very often. I never expected such a level of idiocy and psychosis there, but I guess I just don't listen to the radio often enough. Well, good times they were, but my experiment there is over. I'm sticking with Seed Swaps and BLTs. Drmies (talk) 02:42, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Haha, at an AfD the other day someone was making fun of me cause I was writing articles on the Claw Boys Claw (and you know you're guilty of that too, tweaking around and stuff) while they were curing cancer. So just to spite them I made Claw Boys Claw 3 in 1 and Crack My Nut. Ha, crack it if you can! So...I'll see you in Orange Beach, two weeks from now? Drmies (talk) 04:13, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It's good you're going to be down there so you can check out some rentals for me. What kind of rates are there? I'd like to be able to walk to stuff and especially to be able to run from my apartment or house. A backyard would be excellent, but if it's on the beach that's okay too. Is there an airport type thing in Pensacola? How far is it from there? Is that the best place to fly into? How far are you from there?  Maybe I'll stay with you for a few months just until I get a feel for the area. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:48, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

←Without getting too much into my own personal beliefs on political matters, I can appreciate CoMs view of the current presentation of American political viewpoints. I believe in a level playing field, and my perception is that there is often a "tilted" viewpoint in regards to many things here. I often cringe at some of the things that are said, and I truly wish that I could find a way to bring opposing sides to a mutual understanding and respect - even if they don't agree. I'm often in a difficult situation when 2 people that I admire and respect can not find a way to communicate.

CoM, I do honestly understand how strongly you feel, how offended you've felt, and how hurt you've been; but I really wish you would see that there are good and honest people on both sides of every issue. I watched, and even participated in (mildly), an effort to "reach across the isle" in a gesture of collaboration. I ask you now, PLEASE ... put down the tools of confrontation, and at least "look" at the tools of co-existence. We build the best bridges when we work together - please consider that. Your friend always, Ched. — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ? 03:49, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Ched if you don't have anything funny or sarcastic to add to the conversation I will have to remove your comments as trolling. This is a civility free zone. And seriously, I wouldn't take anything Drmies says seriously. The guy has issues. But I'm going to try to get him on a better track once I'm down there. He may just need some guidance and straight talk. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:48, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * See comment on Trinity below, just so you know what you're getting into. Drmies (talk) 14:43, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Cattle
Would you be so kind as to help us out over here? Thanks. <font color="Navy">Law <font color="Navy">type! <font color="Navy">snype? 04:49, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

In reviewing the situation, it appears that you've used rollback incorrectly. While I understand your reasons to remove the post you removed, rollback is not intended to be used in this manner. You can use a manual method of removal, or even a twinkle "AGF" link to revert items, but "rollback" has implications in regards to the WP database which are important. Please do not use the rollback feature unless it is clearly vandalism. Mistakes happen, but if they continue, then I would be forced to remove that button - and I'd rather not do that. Please be careful. — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ? 05:21, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think I have rollback any more. But I'll go check. I don't see all the "rollback" button things like I'm in some kind of Walmart nightmare. So I think the world is safe. Thank goodness you know who was on top of it. I haven't read the comment I accidentally removed, but I'm sure it was worthwhile. I would apologize, but I can't be bothered. :) No it's good you put it back there. I sometimes mark where I'm up to in my watchlist by clicking a bunch of stuff, so I must have accidentally clicked a rollback button. Powerful stuff! I haven't done any rollbacking at all and haven't read up on how it works yet (although I guess I know now...) so any other rollbacks I did were also in error.
 * Is there a tool that can clone me? And also something to make the douche bags and trolls disappear? Like a Robocop type bot or automated tool? Or something that makes my Wikipedia experience more like Tron? Except not personally life threatening. Maybe like pong would be better. Or any other arcade game with infinite quarters. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:53, 14 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I didn't take anything away from you. You still have rollback.  CoM, I like you - I like you a lot; but, STOP referring to other editors in a derogatory manner.  Just because you don't agree with someone does not make them any less of human being than you. — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  06:56, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I didn't refer to anyone in a derogatory manner. You are mistaken. I can't help it if you happen to associate certain editors with the words I used, but I made no such connection to any editor real or imagined, no matter how douchey or trollific the behavior of some editors that may come to mind. Certainly there are trolls and douchebags in existence, even here on Wikipedia, and I don't think I should have to pretend that there aren't. I think it's unreasonable to say that I'm not allowed to ask for a tool that would eliminate them. My request is in the very goodestest of faith, and is consistent with others seeking a troll-be-gone tonic for what ails Wikipedia. I fully support the development of some sort of superbot that will eliminate the problem. If that's not possible then maybe a Dirty Harry type figure would do the trick. ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:07, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Fine... whatever. — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ? 07:30, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh and Chedsky, I removed your comment on the Cattle talk page. I felt it was instigated by my accidental rollback. If you still want it there feel free to put it back. But I exercised bold judgment in trying to put things back to the way they were before I tripped up. With great powers come great responsibility. ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:33, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, CoM, I restored Ched's comment because 1) that comment is not yours 2) the comment is not about you 3) the comment has no incivility 4) the comment is just to suggest people in the discussion to get back to whatever main point 5) "no instigation on your accidental roll back case. He can comment whatever he wants there. I hope you do not mind my revert. I do not want you to lose your close friend just for any possible misunderstanding between two. Online discussion is tricky as you know.--Caspian blue 07:50, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * No worries Casp. If you understand the history and think it's a helpful comment that's fine with me. There was no ill intent on my part in removing it. I was just trying to clean up a bit of a mess (rather minor really, but still) that I had a part in making.
 * I haven't been doing much shopping of late. Trying to get rid of stuff before the big move to Doc's place. So it may be a while before I can look into the root issue. Or maybe we'll never know! ChildofMidnight (talk) 08:05, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * @Casp - did you read the comment on the talk page and the discussion above it? The users are using the talk page for exactly what it was intended for. I'm going to suggest the comment is removed. <font color="Navy">Law <font color="Navy">type! <font color="Navy">snype? 08:10, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I read the half of the discussion. Even though you guys think that Ched's comment is a bit off, removing his comments in good faith without permission and with the edit summary would be not pleasant for him. I don't know what is Doc's place (doctor's office?)--Caspian blue 08:19, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * MMMMmmmmmmmmmmmoooooooooooooooooo. (How do cows talk in Korean?). ChildofMidnight (talk) 08:31, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The "moo" sound in Korean refers to "white radish". ;) Anyway, "um-me~" is the moooo sound in Korean.--Caspian blue 08:37, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Ched's comment has been removed (with his gracious permission) and the cattle-based editors may continue their discussion on cattle sex. <font color="Navy">Law <font color="Navy">type! <font color="Navy">snype? 08:39, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Cool. I guess I should have just asked him. I'm a bit tired and it seemed like a good idea at the time. I figured he was asleep and wouldn't mind. Oh well. Is it really about cattle sex? I wrote a great article about a cattle sale once. Snuck in some juicy bits about the tool box and everything. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 08:43, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

@Casp Isn't that very similar to the word for one of the tastes? Umo, ume, umi or something like that? Let's get this conversation back on track with the important stuff that matters! Nite all. I'll try to do some big time rollbacking tomorrow so we can really see how it works... ChildofMidnight (talk) 08:43, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Good night, CoM.--Caspian blue 09:08, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Umami, a loanword from Japanese, is one of the basic tastes. In Japanese, mu means nothing. Jonathunder (talk) 15:08, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * If I might butt in: "Ume" (sounds like "moo" in Korean) is "plum" in Japanese. Perhaps Korean cows hunger for Japanese plums? I don't remember the Japanese "moo"... seems like it's "Mo" (sounding like "Moe" from the Three Stooges)... What cultural significance that has, I won't even guess... Dekkappai (talk) 16:01, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Great. Thanks all for the clarifications. Ume is interesting too. I couldn't figure out why they were selling fresh ume for some outrageous price at my Korean store. Especially since the owner said there was no great thing to do with the fresh fruits but just to use them to make plum wine, and I'm not a big fan of plum wine. I've never understood umami either. I think it's bogus. :) And I think UFC (some sort of American bloodsport) is bogus too. But I'm getting hungry now. Oh, and when I first discovered that animals make different noises in different languages I was astounded, and I still am. Fascinating. Well, baaaaaaaaaah to all you sheeple. Dare to be different! :) Consensus and civility be damned! Let The Three Stooges be an inspiration for us all. And Charlie Chaplin too. And Will Ferrell. And Dennis Leary. And of course Doc's fav, Dennis Miller. Truth and justice are no laughing matter. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:07, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, not to get too partisan, but we're Keaton people in my household. The U.S. has yet to produce a finer writer-actor-director-stuntman in our humble estimation. Dekkappai (talk) 18:14, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Schooling in Alabama
How about this? Drmies (talk) 14:42, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Does it remind you of your time in Reformatory school? ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:59, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Happy Bastille Day!
Dear fellow Wikipedian, I just want to wish you a Happy Bastille Day, whether you are French, Republican or not! :) Happy Editing!  Sincerely, --A NobodyMy talk 17:55, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks ver much Nobody. I'm storming the parapets. I saw a bit of fireworks last night while I was doing my laundry. So celebration is all around. Let freedom reign. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:01, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! Best-ille :), --A NobodyMy talk 18:24, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Bacon
How's about this for an important article to add to User:ChildofMidnight/Bacon Challenge 2010 - Outline of bacon? There are lots of topics covered in WP:WPOOK (which I'm not a member of) – shouldn't bacon be one of them? -- Dylan 620  (contribs, logs) 18:18, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't know much about outlines on Wikipedia although I saw some issue arise over them recently, but it sounds like a great idea and has my full support. I also think there should be a bacon portal. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:27, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the compliment!
Glad I could help. hgilbert (talk) 21:31, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Electro-kinetic road ramp
Thanks for fixing Electro-kinetic road ramp. I thought I had used copy and paste to create the title, but I guess perhaps I hadn't. Thanks for helping out. Grundle2600 (talk) 07:36, 13 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry for the duplicate. It stalled the first time, and I thought it hadn't gone through. Grundle2600 (talk) 00:34, 14 July 2009 (UTC)


 * No worries Grundle. Thanks for creating another interesting article. I hope you're having a great summer. ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:27, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've been having fun reading this article and others at this liberal parody of conservapedia. You have a fun summer too! Grundle2600 (talk) 16:34, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that's good stuff. Very funny and well done. I hope Drmies sees it. I'm sure he will also enjoy it. I think the weirdest thing about the Conservapedia article is that it focuses so heavily on the conspiracies and trivialities instead of the big issues. Interesting. It's a crazy world. ;) ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:43, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I created my own account there. Grundle2600 (talk) 17:52, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Grundle I'm glad the fly swatting aritcle lives on. It's terrific. Did you see my user:ChildofMidnight/Bacon economy article? I meant to let you know that you helped inspire it! ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:17, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I love your article, and I'm glad I helped inspire it! Grundle2600 (talk) 02:05, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

...
...do you really want Claw Boys Claw 3 in 1 deleted or merged? Drmies (talk) 01:17, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * BTW, you should really have another look at Articles for deletion/Londonstani. I don't know how to say this in a politically correct enough sort of way, but you were wrong. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 02:45, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * That's an interesting take Doc. But considering the first two votes were to delete at which point I came in with a life preserving "Merge with Gautam Malkani, the author. Enough notability (substantial coverage in reliable source) for book and author to warrant including together," your preference for a stand-alone is a minor difference and one that I'm not convinced is superior. But I think it's good that you followed my lead in realizing that there was enough notability to warrant preserving the content. As long as you stick with me you're not likely to go too far off course. ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:32, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * So--you were only half wrong? I accept your apology. Much obliged! (And thanks for the tweaks. I promise I won't roll 'em back until tomorrow.) Drmies (talk) 05:24, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I accept both of your apologies (and those of the millions of others who haven't offered one)&mdash;cheers! Bongo  matic  09:06, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I want to apologize for not being able to better guide Drmies to more useful pursuits than expanding that blob of an article. The only interesting part of it is the assertion that there is something called the "Londonstani" effect, something that isn't even explained in the article so we don't know what that even means. As far as you go Bongo, shouldn't you be deleting something? There are thousands of article just waiting to be put out of their misery. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 15:58, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, it is explained now. So there. And that effect, you may find it interesting, but it doesn't apply to you--you weren't highly touted. Now, can you get back to work? I'm sure there's a forgotten Dutch architect or a demolished 1950s diner which the world simply HAS to know about. Drmies (talk) 16:50, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Ancient Egyptian Race Controversy
Regarding your reply to Vassyana: Why are you angry at ArbCom? Ice Cold Beer is not a member of ArbCom. Moreover, it is up to administrators in general topolice the acts of other administrators. I can understand why you feel there is some failure in the system, but I do not understand why you direct your anger at ArbCom when the failure seems to lie directly with Ice Cold Beer and a handful of other admins, none of whom are on ArbCom.

I mention this for tactical reasons too - it is still quite possible that ArbCom will be open to hearing a case against ICB or others you consider to be disruptive editors. My guess is that ArbCom will say this is not their jurisdiction and should be settlesat AN/I. That would be a victory for the banned users. As long as this is possibl, what, practically, is gained from attacking ArbCom? Slrubenstein  |  Talk 10:54, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * When an admin makes a ban or a block it shouldn't take weeks to get it reviewed. Shuffling people around telling them they are in the wrong queue wherever they go is uncivil and rude. Arbcom needs to shape up. It's about more than this one case. ChildofMidnight (talk) 15:55, 15 July 2009 (UTC)


 * This article has long since been poisoned, and there are too many ego's involved now that can't allow it to progress properly. Fresh approach - let's request that the article be officially renamed as "History of the Ancient Egyptian race controversy", and then edit it further as such. Once that is done we can create a separate article/s to deal with other aspects that are ommited here, or build that content into other existing articles if more appropriate. What do you think? Wdford (talk) 19:05, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I think the focus needs to be on reversing the abusive bannings and the disruption caused by Dbachmann and administrators willing to side with him in order to push a particular point of view. I'm confident that once those issues are resolved, the editors working in good faith on the article can sort out their differences and move forward (as they have in the past). Trying to accomplish dramatic changes to the article while the administrative issues and the bans are still in place will be unhelpful and counterproductive. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:13, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

It is not up to ArbCom to review this block. You grant ArbCom powers that it does not have. It is up to the community of other admins to support or revoke the block. ArbCom has nothing to do with this and you're looking to ArbCom is tantamount to your giving ArbCom powers that belong to the community. Slrubenstein  |  Talk 20:25, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The clear consensus at ANI was that as the remedy related to an Arbcom decision, Arbcom would have to make a determination on whether this application of sanction is appropriate. Admins refusing to deal with matters where Arbcom is involved is often a problem. Arbcom could direct the issue back to the community, but so far they've just dithered and bitched about where the issues should be taken up, disruptive activity that has wasted the time and energy of all the involved parties. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:33, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

You just have lazy admins. You need an admin to say, "FILE a complaint at ArbCom, or lets deal with it ouselves, but there is no middle gound. Slrubenstein  |  Talk 23:35, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Please give the link to where exactly at AN/I it says that. Slrubenstein  |  Talk
 * I don't think I was the only one, but I can affirm that I said they should appeal the block at WP:AE. <font color="#ee3366">Lady <font color="#229922">of <font color="#0095c6">Shalott 23:58, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

In hot sizzling summer
I have come to apologize for my overreaction to you yesterday. The passage "delicate man" is a parody of Law's comment on Ched's personality, so I joked with it, but it conveyed as a different and odd meaning, so I was upset at it. I'm okay for you to call me a nick name other than Casp. (Casp i would be perfectly fine). I tend to not go easy in this hot and sizzling summer, so I'm reducing my activity on writing articles during the season...You can find me working on FPC or other image areas that do not require reading texts, reviewing nice images is fun.--Caspian blue 19:46, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Caspian blue, you've been an extraordinarily helpful editor and a very good friend to me. I very much appreciate your integrity and your good humor. There is a lot of craziness here on Wikipedia, and there are times when it gets to all of us with its ups and downs. I know I make mistakes sometimes, but I hope you'll overlook them and keep in mind that I'm just trying make Wikipedia a little more complete and informative, and have a good time doing it. Cheers. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:52, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Bacon portal
Sorry for the late reply to, but I was busy for the most part yesterday, then I got caught up in a talk page thread this morning, then I spent the entire afternoon reading up on the deletion policy. What sort of contents do you think would go well in a bacon portal? -- Dylan 620  (contribs, logs) 01:07, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

The Great Wikipedia Dramaout
May I ask whose bright idea this was?-- The LegendarySky Attacker 00:58, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Jayron32 I think. I don't know if you're being sarcastic or serious (this page tends to be fairly sarcastic) but I think it's a fabulous idea. Are you in? ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:00, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Just stalking here. The idea was actually User:F203's, who raised the idea at WP:ANI. I just took his idea and ran with it.  Based on his idea, I created the project.  Invite anyone you can.  It starts in 2 days!  --Jayron32. talk . say no to drama  01:06, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Well you know, I've created no articles at all this month and this could be a good time to clear the WebHamster incident from memory. It should never have happened and hopefully, if I took a break from helping out at ANI, I would have a good excuse to make some great article developments. I read a comment the other day saying that if everyone spent time resolving dramas at AN/I the encyclopedia would look the same now as it did in 2005. -- The LegendarySky Attacker 01:09, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Sign up! Then we can razz you if you give in to the inescapable magnetism of drama!!! ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:10, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey Child. Imagine if you know who signed up.-- The LegendarySky Attacker 01:26, 16 July 2009 (UTC)


 * and it can't come any too soon either. ;) — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ? 17:52, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

done ...
... per your request on my talk page here, I've "rolledback" your rights ... sorry, I couldn't resist the pun. ;-) Cheerio. — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ? 17:51, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks Ched! It's been interesting. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:52, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for creating America’s Affordable Health Choices Act. I proposed a few categories and redirects on the article's talk page - no drama - nothing controversial! Have fun! Grundle2600 (talk) 19:12, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Everything is controversial.
 * I posted to you above somewhere about my bacon economy article that's under construction. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:22, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * What I meant was that my proposed edits (categories and redirects) to the health care bill article were not controversial. I saw your comment on your bacon article, and responded to it. It's in the Electro-kinetic road ramp section. Grundle2600 (talk) 19:36, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I understood what you meant, and I stand by my statement that everything is controversial. Thanks for the reply on the BE article. It needs some work. But part of the concept was to mimic the:
 * Hydrogen economy
 * Lithium economy
 * Methanol economy
 * Liquid nitrogen economy
 * Vegetable oil economy
 * Zinc economy articles.
 * Anyway, it needs a bit more sourcing to establish notability. ;) ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:49, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, I was very well aware that it was a satire of those kinds of articles. Grundle2600 (talk) 20:05, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

The Great Wikipedia Dramaout/Log has a list of articles that people started during the dramaout. Although the dramaout has not officially started, given that you started this article in response to my request on the dramaout page, I think it would be OK if you added it to the list, if you wanted to. I started the dramaout early, and I added Madison Keyes to the list. Grundle2600 (talk) 20:53, 16 July 2009 (UTC) That was fast! Grundle2600 (talk) 20:58, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Wal-Mart (disambiguation) at DR
Just letting you know that the discussion for Articles for deletion/Wal-Mart (disambiguation) (3rd nomination) has been listed for deletion review at Deletion review/Log/2009 July 15. You may be interested in commenting. Tatterfly (talk) 22:15, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you...
...for all the times we've shared. It's been great but I'll be lucky to be around for another 24 hours. I really, really, really want to stay at Wikipedia, but the WebHamster incident has gone way too far. Yes, the situation has always been between about WebHamster and Noloop but I think my involvement in the situation has pissed a few people off too. I thought I would put an end to a problem by warning WebHamster for his actions, but it only made things worse. After leaving a nasty message on my talk page, I thought a civility message would set him straight but it only allowed this mess to carry-on. I left a message saying that although I didn't fully agree with his actions, I would forgive him and would try to "leave him alone" as he wanted. I still don't understand why he still responded in the same way because I left him alone and carried on as though it had never happened. Yes, Noloop has been dragging this on for too long, but my failed attempts at resolving their conflict backfired into this explosion. With the exception of a thank you note for reverting vandalism to my userpage, I have not edited his page since and I have not edited Malleus' talk page either. And apart from endorsing Abce2's comment at the RfC I've have completely let it be. I have not certified the RfC.

But I think some people are somewhat pissed off with me, even if they don't say it, and are more pissed off with the other two editors who always have been more involved than myself. For this reason this could be my last day on Wikipedia. I want to stay more than anything else, but not if it means pissing people off. I just wanted to thank you for the times we have shared over the past few months and say that if I'm no longer here at the end of the day....goodbye CoM.-- The LegendarySky Attacker 22:41, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Sky I'm unsure if any of this has to with my expression of my opinions on that situation or not, but speaking for myself I don't have any concern over the course of action you've chosen. You're certainly not alone in being unhappy with the aggressive wording used by that editor on his talk page. I would encourage you not to certify the RfC, but I'm only in charge of my own choices and I try to be respectful of the decisions made by others as long as they're consistent with policies, basic good sense and morality. Sometimes I agree with other editors and sometimes I disagree. Even when I'm unhappy about something I try not to hold any grudges. As long as decisions are made in good faith and with respect, I don't see that there should be a problem. I'm not sure why you are worked up over this particular incident (it seems relatively minor to me), but you're always encrouaged to take a break if you need one. Wikipedia is a confusing and intriguing world all its own. There is a lot of good that goes on here, a lot of interesting discussion and process, and an awful lot of nonsense. Cheers. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:58, 16 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Seems like a very small storm in a rather small teacup to me as well. Noloop has carried this minor spat way too far, and (s)he may come to regret that, but I dont see that it reflects on you Sky Attacker. Live and let live say I. --Malleus Fatuorum 23:16, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * BTW, I just noticed that you quoted me at the top of this page. :lol: --Malleus Fatuorum 23:17, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

It actually has more to do with Drmies saying "Not to mention, you were told to fuck off, right?". I don't know in what tone his/her reply was supposed to be in but I got worked up because it sounded as though, even my ally editors that I trusted the most were pissed off with me and wanted me to "fuck off" as well.

You are right, this is a minor incident that is almost entirely WebHamster vs. Noloop. Maybe I'm just overreacting right now, but I'm worked up because I never intended to piss off anybody. Hopefully, I haven't.-- The LegendarySky Attacker 23:22, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmmmm... I wasn't sure what he meant, but I took it as a comment on the thread(s) where that phrase was the center of attention. AGF and all, seemed like it could be a funny joke to me. Maybe you should ask him to clarify. If it turns out he was being serious, it still wouldn't be that big of a deal. The guy is Dutch and a communist after all. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:30, 16 July 2009 (UTC)


 * A final word to the wise. If you do anything worthwhile around here Sky then you will upset someone. Just the way it is. Doesn't matter though unless you have aspirations to pass an RfA, in which case you're better off ignoring articles altogether, and focusing your attention on the drama pits instead. --Malleus Fatuorum 00:04, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Sky Attacker, please don't leave! Just because you are feeling upset over an incident doesn't mean you should leave. Heck, I think that if a wikipedia editor has never stirred up at least some trouble, they are being too timid and uncreative in their edits. I was going to suggest that you join us at The Great Wikipedia Dramaout, but I see you already signed up for it. The worst thing in the world is to give up hope. If you feel that you are having trouble with a certain area of wikipedia, there are plenty of other areas where you may be happier. Please stay! Grundle2600 (talk) 23:34, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Food articles
I thought you might be interested in reading these:

Boston Molasses Disaster

London Beer Flood

Grundle2600 (talk) 00:48, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Matt Sanchez
I suggest you tread lightly at this under-Arbcom-probation article and read through the talk page archives and discussing changes before making any changes to the article. The content which you removed has a consensus to be where it is. - ALLST✰R ▼ echo wuz here 22:06, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Allstarecho has been one of the most biased of editors. It's truly appauling. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.163.18.130 (talk) 14:45, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

WP:NODRAMA
I'm way ahead of ya. :) – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 22:43, 16 July 2009 (UTC)


 * It's good advice. Your last post on the Giano AN/I thread seemed to be designed to stir it up and keep it going. I hope no one takes the bait. Auntie E (talk) 05:53, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * If a blocking admin is the one to unblock it saves a lot of drama. As the drama continued long after I went to sleep, it seems to me the problem lies with the admin's refusal to act prudently and according to consensus, instead calling for someone to overturn his judgment if they see fit. HOw unhelpful! Finding fault with the editor calling repeatedly for prudent action to end the drama seems a bit out of line. ChildofMidnight (talk) 15:45, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Matt Sanchez
Hello, I want to thank you for sticking to standards on the Matt Sanchez article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.163.18.130 (talk) 14:43, 17 July 2009 (UTC)


 * If anyone watching my page wants to help fix the article so it's less of a smear job and so the subject of the article gets to speak for himself instead of just being attacked please do so. I'm outnumbered by POV pushers who hold our BLP policies and guidelines in disdain. ChildofMidnight (talk) 15:47, 17 July 2009 (UTC)


 * To concentrate on specifics. 1. The lede and the reference to Ann Coulter make no sense and are inappropriate.  I never called anyone a "faggot" and this places undue emphasis on that fact.

2.

HRS
Lead looks good! Thanks for the bold tweak. -- Samir 16:44, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Looked it over... the wording is definitely correct, and conveys things in a simpler way. Thanks man!  Hope this gets through FAC.  Take care -- Samir 17:15, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

WP:NODRAMA reminder
Thanks for signing up for the Great Wikipedia Dramaout. Wikipedia stands to benefit from the improvements in the article space as a result of this campaign. This is a double reminder. First, the campaign begins on July 18, 2009 at 00:00 (UTC). Second, please remember to log any articles you have worked on during the campaign at The Great Wikipedia Dramaout/Log. Thanks again for your participation! --Jayron32. talk . say no to drama 21:16, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Talk:America’s Affordable Health Choices Act
Hi. Please see Talk:America’s Affordable Health Choices Act. Thanks. Grundle2600 (talk) 01:53, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK
Did you know that ArbCom has formed a new council to devise new forms of Wikipedia governance(Advisory Council on Project Development)? I thought you might be interested in looking over who has been made a member of this council. They were not selected through any kind of transparent process. I have strong doubts about at least one of them, based on this comment, which I believe would be of interest to you. You and I know Wikipedia has problems that need to be addressed. Is a council with this member going to address them? Slrubenstein  |  Talk 10:35, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

this provides more context and discussion of the issue at hand. Slrubenstein  |  Talk 19:49, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the message. I'm engaged in the no drama days 2009 campaign, so I'm focused on article stuff for the time being. But I think a think tank type committee to consider reforms seems like a reasonable idea. I understand the concerns about how it is formed and who is included on it, but I hope these issues can be worked out. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:01, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

The Hut
Did you find any mention of the Hof's Hut that used to be near John Wayne airport. I actually met John Wayne, when I was 1.5 years old, at that location. According to family legend, he called me a 'little buckaroo' and patted me on the head. <font color="Navy">Law <font color="Navy">type! <font color="Navy">snype? 23:00, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It looks like that one may have gotten gobbled up in an office tower project discussed here in this 1998 article . But there is a statue of J.W. at the airport, no doubt in commemoration of your meeting with him buckaroo. Go get 'em. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:29, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I think it is still there. Yeah, I was a huge influence on that statue, as well as his progressive views in an interview for Playboy. Haha. <font color="Navy">Law <font color="Navy">type! <font color="Navy">snype? 00:02, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid it's not on their website whipper snapper . But it might have been turned into a Lucille's smokehouse. Good ole fashioned beer, busty waitresses and BBQ are in young man. Pull up a stool. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:05, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
 * On second thought, I don't see a Lucille's there either . But if you're ever up in this neck of the woods we'll hit the one here, or we can do up some Pho, alrighty partner? ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:07, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

What is your neck of the woods? I'll do pho over Hof's bro. <font color="Navy">Law <font color="Navy">type! <font color="Navy">snype? 00:11, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
 * South Bay, Los Angeles. Home of many wealthy beachgoers, a stop on the AVP tour and home field for my flag football team on Hermosa Beach. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:20, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Welp, I'm going to be relocating to Foothill Ranch in about 3 weeks, so I would say it is a real possibility. I want to try Korean BBQ in LA. <font color="Navy">Law <font color="Navy">type! <font color="Navy">snype? 00:57, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Courtesy note
This is a courtesy note to inform you that the set of five recent Ancient Egyptian race controversy topic bans by has been raised at arbitration enforcement for review: Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement. I am informing you because you are an involved party or commented at the arbitration clarification request. If you have any questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to leave me a talk page message. --Vassyana (talk) 00:55, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Battle of the Oranges
Hello! there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath and respond there as soon as possible. The hook says it's the largest "food fight", but the source says it's the largest "fruit fight". Maybe there is no difference, unless there is a larger pie fight, or some other type of food fight. Can the hook be revised or a more specific reference used? Rlendog (talk) 01:58, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

If you could look in....
I am considering going live with User:MichaelQSchmidt/sandbox/National Fibromyalgia Association. I'm feeling pretty good about 10 hours of work. Please take a look and advise of any concerns. Thank you, MichaelQSchmidt (talk) 07:59, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi there!
Hi. Restore Our American Mustangs Act might be a good idea for an article. Breitbart.com has this article. Here is a government website on it. Grundle2600 (talk) 16:57, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll take a look. Thanks also for the beer flood and other article. I haven't had a chance to look at them much yet. Is there an article on the credit card reform bill that passed? Maybe an article on legislation passed by year or something would be good. Or I guess they should be mentioned in relevant presidential article, but of course I'm not supposed to edit those. I see Walpin is in the news. The firing(s) really should be its own article. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:00, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, Credit CARD Act of 2009 already has its own article. I thought you might enjoy creating an article with the word "mustang" in the title, but you don't have to if you won't want to. Grundle2600 (talk) 17:42, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Re:Burger Heaven
I'm happy to help. By the way, see User:Law's edit summary-- The LegendarySky Attacker 20:35, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, I saw that. Funny. Since the awesomeness of the pizzaburger couldn't be reliably verified I found another source that at least mentions it. And then I discovered that coverage of the origins of old school New York style brick oven pizza from Brooklyn, Harlem and New Haven  were sadly lacking. So there's a lot of work to be done. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:38, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Gerald Walpin
Well, first of all, telling someone that their closing was "weak and biased" doesn't tend to be the best way of getting them to reverse it. Still, I've had a look, and given that Walpin's article is merely 11.6K and this incredibly important event takes up just ten lines of text seems to only reinforce the fact that it was, in fact, the correct close. This is backed up when you see that, of those opining "Keep" on the AfD, five haven't edited since, one has been topic-banned from Obama articles, and one has been found to be a sock and blocked. Funny, that. Still, if you can create an article that addresses the original concerns in userspace, feel free to request it be re-created at DRV. (Incidentally, of those new sources, the first one is a blog, and the second one is a re-print of the third, so there's effectively only one useful source there). <b style="color:black;">Black Kite</b> 21:28, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * If you don't think Jack Tapper's ABC New blog is a reliable source you should take it that noticeboard. The notability guidelines are clearly met, but given the silliness of your original closing rationale, your response is as expected. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:36, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * To repeat; I am not going to alter a close that I still believe to be correct (indeed, even more so than at the time, given what we now know about a number of participants in it) and so WP:DRV is your next port of call. Also, since you are unable to communicate civilly, this conversation is now at an end. <b style="color:black;">Black Kite</b> 21:40, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Here's the discussion: . Your coatrack argument, aside from showing your personal bias, is irrelevant because that's an editing issue. The fact that the controversy is still in the news clearly shows it meets our notability guidelines. And there was no consensus to close as delete in the first place. Your "notnews" argument has also been disproved by it being an ongoing story that is continuing. Statements like "Very few of the Keep arguments hold any water" are highly uncivil and inappropriate. If you want to be treated with respect you should abide by our policies and show respect to good faith editors. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:46, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Black Kite, you said: "I've had a look, and given that Walpin's article is merely 11.6K and this incredibly important event takes up just ten lines of text seems to only reinforce the fact that it was, in fact, the correct close." If you read Talk:Gerald Walpin, you will see plenty of other information that I would like to be in the article, but which I cannot add, because I am topic banned from political articles for three months. I made my argument for including that information very good and strong. Furthermore, the people who objected to included that information were unwilling and unable to answer my questions about why the information should not be included. Grundle2600 (talk) 23:27, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Black Kite, here are some articles to prove how noteworthy Walpin's firing is: Washington Post, Washington Post 2, Washongton Post 3, New York Times, Boston Globe, Seattle Times, Chicago Tribune, Miami Herald, Politico, Politico 2, examiner.com, examiner.com 2, examiner.com 3, San Francisco Chronicle, National Review, ABC News, U.S. News & World Report, Altanta Journal Constitution, law.com, Youth Today, Fox News, Fox News 2, Fox News 3, Fox News 4, Fox News 5, Kansas City Star, Huffington Post, Brietbart, Salon,  Wall St. Journal. Grundle2600 (talk) 23:44, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Black Kite, please explain why you think it's not highly notable that President Obama fired Walpin after Walpin accused one of Obama's freinds of corruption. Please explain why you think it's not highly notable that Obama justified firing Walpin by accusing Walpin of being incoherent, but then more than 100 prominent people signed a bipartisian petition saying that Obama's accusations against Walpin were false. Grundle2600 (talk) 23:47, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Black Kite, this is what I propose be added to Gerald Walpin. Grundle2600 (talk) 23:52, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Pink Dot
It's too short. It needs 780 more characters. You want to help me expand it in the next hour? I have to head to school soon. <font color="Navy">Law <font color="Navy">type! <font color="Navy">snype? 22:53, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I think it looks great the way it is. It can be hard to write long articles about that kind of subject - there aren't always that many sources. Grundle2600 (talk) 23:54, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I put it up for a DYK nom. I think it's long enough or close to it now. It's kind of an interesting story and company I think. I like when an idividual story captures history, and with the ups and downs of dotcom and styles and fashion like propellered Beetle delivery cars and then a desire for a lower profile, I think it's an interesting story about evolving commerce as embodied by one company. Same with Patsy's which Caspian blue was nice enough to find a photo for. I guess there was one on Wikipedia commons!? :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:56, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I thought you had errands. Couldn't you snap a pic of the Pink Dot? We ain't got them out here in San Diego. <font color="Navy">Law <font color="Navy">type! <font color="Navy">snype? 00:23, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I felt guilty after getting your message. The Kozmo bit needs to be better integrated, titled, and explained. I'll see what I can come up with for an image. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:26, 21 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I'd feel more guilty about the fact that you refuse to archive your talk page. I think Pink Dot works now. I would have expanded the .com part, but there's a whole article on that FAIL. <font color="Navy">Law <font color="Navy">type! <font color="Navy">snype? 02:27, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

The legendary "Hut of Hof"
Thanks! I'm sorry I didn't realize you had already nominated the article, thank you so much for taking care of that mess. a little  insignificant  01:37, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Re: Photos
Thanks! I plan to keep an eye on the Witch's House, because they need to put back the shutters (which complete the look). I live in MPLS, but I visit my ethnic homeland of SoCal pretty regularly. From what I can tell, that renovation has been going on something like 4 years! Given the economy, the owner (if its still the realtor) has no reason to rush things. I actually saw those MN food articles only last week, they were fascinating. If I see some of those dishes I'll certainly take a photo, the others on the MN Wikiproject are actually very, very good at getting photos in a hurry --and some of them are natives who might have readier access to some of those dishes. Meanwhile, I've been planning on taking photos of the exteriors of eternal rivals Matt's Bar/5-8 Club for the Jucy Lucy article. It reminds me of the similar rivalry between Philippe's and the Cole's Pacific Electric Buffet over the origination of the French dip (regardless, my personal flavor preference is Philippe's). --Bobak (talk) 03:08, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Alas, I'm going to be in New Zealand in late August :-( Perhaps someone at WikiProject Minnesota might be able to make it? --Bobak (talk) 03:23, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, if you decide to cancel your trip so you can hit the jamboree I'm sure everyone will understand. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:25, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Italics For Names & What I've Been Doing
I can't say I can explain the logic to it. Only, that I must have picked it up from someone else when I started to create my first articles and I have done so ever since. My guess? Perhaps it is to single out words that are names of places such as the name of a resturant. In this case, the name Beefburger is of particular importance but you can't bluelink it to another article and you can't put it in speechmarks either. Good question.-- The LegendarySky Attacker 04:30, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

And the only reason I unlinked kaiser BUN was because it didn't link to anything. I can't believe I didn't think of kaiser ROLL though.-- The LegendarySky Attacker 04:47, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Florence Court Forest Park and Darwin Forest are two of the articles I have been working on during the WP:NODRAMA. But I must confess I know next to nothing about them. Consider me to be a bit of a Dr.Blofeld creating stubs for articles missing from Wikipedia. I really want to try and do as much as possible during these five days, but was stuck for ideas so I ended up looking at random Wikipedia lists for redlinks and I stumbled across two forests and I've taken it from there...

But what I REALLY want to do is to try and get one of my music-articles to GA status at some point.-- The LegendarySky Attacker 05:00, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for sorting out the article talk pages. I noticed.-- The LegendarySky Attacker 05:37, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Most welcome. Interesting articles. I like parks. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:53, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Nabil Abou-Harb (2nd nomination)
A bad nomination by a SPA. Read my comments at the AfD. MichaelQSchmidt (talk) 19:41, 21 July 2009 (UTC)


 * But the nomination is titled "2nd nomination", and that in itself is prejudicial. MichaelQSchmidt (talk) 19:57, 21 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I modified my statement some. Notified the 4 registered accounts that had more than 1 edit to the article whether positive or negative, and am currently invloved in weeding out the fluff. Too much is supported only by SPS. MichaelQSchmidt (talk) 20:19, 21 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I began removing the fluff that sounded like a diary entry or was obviously too self-serving and POV. Go ahead and continue, as there is much more. I listed a few sources at AfD that may help. MichaelQSchmidt (talk) 20:39, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Good work as always MQS. I hope all is well with you and that you're staying cool. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:25, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Anthems
I don't know about these newfangled anthems. I won't vote for them. The old ones were better. Still, ever onward Aymatth2 (talk) 02:34, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * That one is not bad, I especially like the beginning where the singer seems to forget the words after corporation... But as far as the List of anthems of micronations goes I'm partial to Northern Forest Archipelago's anthem of "Mercy Mercy Me (The Ecology)" by Marvin Gaye and the Lagoan Isles "God Save Our Islands Three" (to the tune of God Save the Queen). ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:45, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * See revised version. It could be turned into serious article. Just have to drop the list and focus on the commentary about this little-known but highly important social phenomenon ... Aymatth2 (talk) 04:00, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Think I will just unwatch and forget about it. Sort of silly. Although the Lennon anthem could probably make an article all of its own. Aymatth2 (talk) 14:36, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 3 according to CD Universe. 6 according to the John Lennon Museum. I think both are wrong. There is a 3-second inter-track gap before and after the anthem, with nothing in between. This would be consistent with the flag. You can listen to it here and decide for yourself. But I would not advise you to send the Nutopian ringtone to your cellphone. You may start missing calls. Aymatth2 (talk) 18:10, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

RE:Do not click here
The links are now moved to User:Pinkgirl34/Sandbox. And I'm participating in the Wikipedia Dramaout, but I chose the wrong userbox at that time. -- Myfavouritecolourispink 16:12, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Kirsten Gillibrand
Hi, if you can re-word it, please do so, but to me it sounded like nonsense. I trust you, as always. Bearian (talk) 21:19, 22 July 2009 (UTC) P.S. FYI, I worked on her 2006 campaign. Bearian (talk) 21:22, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, time out, cub scout. Bearian (talk) 15:59, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for making WP:NODRAMA a success!
Thank you again for your support of the Great Wikipedia Dramaout. Preliminary states indicate that 129 new articles were created, 203 other articles were improved, and 183 images were uploaded. Additionally, 41 articles were nominated for DYK, of which at least 2 have already been promoted. There are currently also 8 articles up for GA status and 3 up for FA/FL status. Though the campaign is technically over, please continue to update the log page at WP:NODRAMA/L with any articles which you worked during the campaign, and also to note any that receive commendation, such as DYK, GA or FA status. You may find the following links helpful in nominating your work:


 * T:TDYK for Did You Know nominations
 * WP:GAC for Good Article nominations
 * WP:FAC for Featured Article nominations
 * WP:FLC for Featured List nominations
 * WP:FPC for Featured Picture nominations

Again, thank you for making this event a success! --Jayron32. talk . say no to drama 02:10, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

A chance to showcase your freakish talents
Based on the speed and reliability of your research I've concluded you are a mutant with at least 4 hands and 6 eyes using several computers simultaeniously. The article Luke Heron was nom'd for deletion largely due to a shortage of solid references. I've added a couple, but lack your obvious biological advantages. Care to strut your stuff? Doc  Tropics  18:03, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Looks like you guys are on the case! It's a small company and he's not very notable, but I think it can live on as a stub until more coverage happens. I think the reliable sources that are already included do a pretty good job of covering who he is. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:39, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your efforts CoM, it's short but tight at this point, and we'll see how the AfD goes. I'm not even entirely convinced on that he's notable yet, but I see a fairly strong possiblity that he will be. It wouldn't really take much to tip the scales if he accomplishes more of his goals. Thanks again, you really are a damn fine researcher : ) Doc   Tropics  22:01, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

previous section regarding Tamil Nadu

Hi
CoM, it's nice to "meet" you. It's funny that we've never interacted before, and yet suddenly we're on so many of the same pages. It can be hard to communicate things personally in text, without using tone, facial expressions, or body language, so I wanted to make a point of dropping in here to say "hi". Even if it seems I might disagree with you on a topic, it's always with respect, and always keeping in mind that we share the same goals: high quality articles that will be a credit a to the project. And on the Sanchez page I don't even "disagree" per se, I just have a "technical" concern about the sourcing of quotes in BLPs. Which reminds me, I noticed that after !voting to "keep" a certain article at AfD, you immediately set about improving it significantly. I consider that extremely admirable! I'm happy to have met you and look forward to working with you. Sincerely, Doc  Tropics  18:39, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks Doc T. I have found your comments to be sensible and well reasoned and I appreciate your efforts where I've seen your work. I'm not sure why we haven't run into each other before, but everyone will tell you that I'm an absolute joy to work with. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:41, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Pfffffffffffffffffffffff. Drmies (talk) 18:13, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Toilet humor?
I did a little bit of work on Groom of the Stool. Now where do I find a picture of one of Henry VIII's magnificent toilets? Drmies (talk) 18:12, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

ANI
I posted a question about the extent of your Obama-related topic ban. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 23:44, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

July 2009
in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make constructive contributions. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest the block by adding the text  below, but you should read our guide to appealing blocks first.


 * In case this user requests to be unblocked the reviewing administrator should read this as well. — <span style="font-family: 'Georgia', serif; color: #20406F;">Aitias // <span style="font-family: 'Georgia', serif; color: #20406F;">discussion  00:37, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Maybe after your block ends, you can go back to making the great kinds of edits on food, animal, science, and technology articles that you are so good at doing! Grundle2600 (talk) 01:33, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * This was an indisputably marginal (and wrong, in my view) block, but given the quantum of news coverage about the event that involves Obama, you can (even if you disagree) see the rationale. Probably better to avoid this sort of thing. The (probably unintentionally) condescending notion that your capabilities are limited by topic category is wrong. Bongo  matic  01:41, 29 July 2009 (UTC)


 * The blocking administrator ought to have been desysopped some time ago IMO, and may well have been had he not opted to take a short "retirement" rather than face the music at RfC a few months ago. Still, just the way it is here at wikipedia; administrators are always right, even when they're wrong. --Malleus Fatuorum 01:50, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much for the kind and considerate comments gents. Much appreciated.
 * Yes, it's a very bad, abusive and disruptive block. I'm happy to avoid those two articles and perhaps I should have realized that they were connected (albeit indirectly) enough to Obama to raise eyebrows. I didn't. My interest was in the racial and policing issues, as my edits show, and I was trying to keep the articles somewhat clean and NPOV, as my edits show.
 * The name of the caller should be omitted as a BLP violation.
 * Regarding the smears and inaccuracies stated by the trolls and stalkers who have pushed for and enforced this block against me, it should be pointed out that the edit where I actually touched some Obama content simply moved it. So no, I didn't even consider whether it was appropriate in relation to any editing restrictions, only that it seemed to me like a very good idea to streamline the article.
 * I took the mass of Obama related mentions from the opening paragraphs of the article, where they don't belong, and moved them into the appropriate section. That's it. So allegations of POV pushing are greatly exagerated. :)
 * The incivility and personal attacks against me by Arcayne and Bugs speak for themselves, as does the incompetent, abusive and disruptive actions of Aitias.
 * The insinuation that I was distorting the bit about "two black men" was a mistake on my part that I didn't get a chance to fix. I was trying to take that bit out entirely from that part of the article, and actually thought I had, but I didn't get a chance to finish as it was reverted moments after I made the edit. The significance of race in that bit is unclear and it stands out to me as race baiting. So I was working to restate the sentence in a coherent fashion about the facts of the case. As is sometimes the case it takes me more than one edit to get the job done, and I didn't get a chance to finish as I was reverted by Arcayne moments after my initial edit, which only addressed the first part of the sentence where I was trying to avoid the neighbor/ witness/ old lady who asked another person to call intrigue (that I think is unhelpful and unencyclopedic). But I hadn't yet removed the irrelevant and complicated by dispute portion relating to the race of the persons seen at the house (and indeed the caller wasn't sure and the police report says they were black, all of which seems irrelevant and if it's included should be included as an inconsistency rather than in the historical section of the events as they happened).
 * So from the original: "According to the police report the caller notified police after observing "two black males with backpacks" on the front porch, one of whom was wedging his shoulder into the door as though to force entry."
 * I was trying to formulate would have read something along the lines of: "A caller to the police reported two males trying to enter the house." This seemed more neutral and didn't get into any of the disputed or unwarranted bits that should be dealt with in their own right if at all. I also like wording that is concise and to the point without all the intrigue and insinuation attempts promoted by the two sides of the dispute.
 * Anyway, the bottom line on all of this is that a simple courteous "Hey, I'm not sure if you realized it, but I think the Gates articles fall under the topic ban" would have sufficed. But civility, competence and courtesy mean different things to different people. :)
 * I edits lots of articles in a a given day, and I move about from things that interest me, to things that pop up on my watchlist, to things that are on the news or in magazines and periodicals I'm reading. So it's entirely possible that some day in the future I may edit an article that has some relation to Barack Obama. If someone has a concern it would be most helpful if they would just let me know with a nice note. (The trolling and stalking of the complainer in this case speaks for itself as far as their intentions and good will).
 * Kudos to those who actually respected our assume good faith and civility guidelines in this case and who had the wisdom, common sense, and decency to suggest restraint and discussion as a first option. How amazing that not once did those involved in blocking me ask for or give me a chance to offer my input. Cheerios! ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:47, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Courtesy break
Per your above comment, I have unblocked you. Given that you have said you will avoid Arrest of Henry Louis Gates and similar articles I see no reason to keep this block in effect, particularly since objections to it were raised on ANI. Two other points though: 1) Parts of your comments do not do you credit, as you cast aspersions on other editors unnecessarily using words like "abusive," "trolling," and "stalking." It's understandable that you're upset and annoyed by the situation, but those kind of comments obviously don't help your case. 2) In the future, you should very much err heavily on the side of caution with respect to topics that might fall under the ban restriction. If it even seems remotely related to Obama don't get involved, or at least ask first. Obviously some things might be up for interpretation, but the Gates thing was actually fairly clear cut (for example when you moved text that actually discussed Obama, though you did not write it). As I said on ANI I have no doubt that you were editing there in good faith, but it is basically up to you to hold to your ArbCom restrictions, and if you cross the line you risk a block. If you edit something and then realize it probably falls under the topic ban, just undo yourself and I doubt anyone will make a thing of it.

I think we should try to put this past us now and move on. Happy editing. --Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 04:03, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Very kind of you BTP. I thought your comments and those of a few other editors/admins were quite well reasoned and appropriate in the ANI discussion, which was interesting to follow. Those who offered encouragement here on my talk page were also very kind and generous to do so. An unexpected block out of right field when someone has been editing in good faith with only good intentions can be quite demoralizing.
 * I would like to clarify some things.
 * 1) As far as your "not being one of my favorite admins", nothing could be further from the truth. I like all well meaning and good faith editors of which you are certainly one. My point, which I've tried to be consistent on, is that you have a strong point of view politically and that from what I've seen you would do well to restrain from administrative actions towards editors who are editing from a point of view at odds with your own, because from what I've seen I think you have difficulty seeing good faith and the reasoning behind their editing, just as they have difficulty seeing and relating to some of the liberal positions advanced (more commonly) by many editors here. I've disagreed with many of those who are my closest friends on Wikipedia, and I think it's important to be able to be open and honest in disagreement, while maintaining respect for one another. I apologize if I haven't done a good job of expressing that to you in the past, I thought I had.
 * 2) You are always welcome on my talk page and I encourage courteous comments and suggestions offered in good faith. What I've objected to are threats and intimidation. If you treat me respectfully as a fellow editor, I know we won't have any problem. And as my edits are generally straight down the middle I don't anticipate any problems on political subjects either. But where I've tried to abide by our NPOV guidelines and to include perspectives that are notable and critical of Obama and his policies I have found you to be influenced by your personal beliefs, which is understandable, but I don't think makes you the best editors to play the role of enforcer.
 * 3) The actions of trolls and stalkers speak for themselves. When I've made it clear to an individual that I don't find their comments helpful or informative and they continue to post incessantly on my talk page, to involve themselves in my discussions on other editors' talk pages, to engage in discussion about me on other editors pages, and to pursue administrative actions against me at every opportunity, I think pointing out their pond scum like qualities is not only fair, but appropriate. Those descriptive terms are also accurate in describing characters that don't appear to make any useful or helpful contributions to Wikipedia's content. Cheers! ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:14, 29 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I feel like I'm following BTP around here like a little puppy dog - but, yep ... what he said. ;) — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ? 04:06, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Now I'm following you Ched! Seems wrong somehow. :-)


 * I don't want to rehash our past disagreements C of M so I'll let your first point go, but obviously we know where the disagreement lies. As to the "trolls" type comments, I'm just telling you they don't do you any favors in a situation like this, and there's simply no need for them, but ultimately you will say what you want to say, of course. Also I would not hesitate to contact you on your talk page if I needed to, the only reason I commented on ANI that it would be better for another admin to ask you to not edit the articles in question was that I had specifically told you I would avoid enforcing ArbCom remedies against you, since you were uncomfortable with me doing that. Dropping a note on your talk page is not exactly enforcing a remedy, but I wanted to err on the side of caution. Anyhow, hopefully this is all resolved now. --Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 04:25, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) I'm not sure we agree on where the disagreement lies. 2) Understood. 3) I still seem to be blocked. :) You could ask Ched to help, but I'm not sure I want end up indefinitely blocked or maimed by some sort of horrific administrative mishap. ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:29, 29 July 2009 (UTC)


 * autoblock cleared. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b><sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 04:35, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks Xeno, you beat me to it. I forgot about the damn autoblock. --Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 04:36, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I used to forget until they installed a helpful reminder for dum dums like us into the unblocked template =) –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b><sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 04:36, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * That is helpful, now if I had only used the unblock template! My informality will be my undoing someday, perhaps on Wikipedia but more likely in real life. :-) --Bigtimepeace | talk |  contribs 04:42, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Ched isn't mad at me now is he? It was just a joke. You know, hazing the noob admin. Gulp. ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:09, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Ched mad? Pfft ... at words on a webpage?  Shirley you jest.  Anger is a poor bedfellow I believe.  I'll admit, there are times I'm disappointed, but it's usually because I'm hurt when I see people I respect discussed in an insulting manner.  Grudges make poor companions Child, and while you still have many supporters, I believe that if you continue speak of our fellow editors in a disparaging manner, the number of supporters will dwindle over time.  You're capable of good work here, but good work is easily tainted by vitriol.  I'm sure you don't want to read my words of advice any more than anyone else who has tried, so I'll just wish you the best. I trust the "gulp" was intended as humor, but rest assured that I'm not personally offended. ;-) — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  16:58, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Just to be clear, the gnat to which you refer has continued to bug me. There's obviously no need to pursue and stalk me around Wikipedia looking for trouble. You don't see all of the edits because I can't be bothered to point them out, but a nuisance is a nuisance. It's nice that you want to believe the best in your fellow editors. But when an individual shows they are here to cause disruption and are incapable of contributing usefully, I don't see any need to mince words. I'm glad you weren't annoyed with my attempt at humor directed your way. It was hilarious. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:03, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

No More BS


Micronation relations can wait. I have just finished a huge, tedious overhaul of the "Foreign relations of ..." articles, and they have enough fantasy to last me for months. "Saudi-Japanese relations are based on mutual respect and common interests in all areas." "The United States has promoted national reconciliation, encouraging Nicaraguans to resolve their problems through dialogue and compromise." Enough! I will do some dull but uncontroversial articles like Ethiopia–People's Republic of China relations while I recover my sanity. You might give it a try. Take a break from the Obama wars. :~) Aymatth2 (talk) 20:15, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not even allowed to mention any subjects that start with the letter O. It's outrageous. I mean ridiculous. Oops. I mean uhoh. Wait that has an "Oh" in it too. I'm finding this very difficult. And hasn't Obama commented on Saudi Arabia and China? It's a slippery slope. Thank goodness there are diligent and vigilant editors constantly looking out to make sure the I'm kept on the straight and narrow.
 * The best political relations article was Iceland-Korea, but some ne'er do well mucked it up entirely. All it takes is one trouble maker to undo lots of hard work.
 * When I was in Brunei they had an entire museum devoted to the gifts of tribute the Sultan had received from the leaders of other nations and various dignitaries. I'm hoping to become a Sultan of Wikipedia. What are you bringing me? ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:25, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh and there was an entire segment on China's investments and expatriates in Angola. So if you're working on that relations article let me know and I'll find it for you. Interesting stuff. Unless you're Tibetan or a Uighyer (sp?) or some kind of activist it's all good... ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:27, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Better stay away from Kenya – United States relations - dangerous there. Aymatth2 (talk) 20:46, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Gulp. The so-called birthers are everywhere... I'm not hearing much about Africa in the news these days. Not since the pirates.
 * Anyway, I'm mostly interested in U.S. relations with Vietnam. Improving bilateral trade as it relates to improving my access to pho and banh is very important. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:57, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Is it true that Wikipedia already has its god-king? ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:00, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes Aymatth2 (talk) 23:20, 29 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Hey, we can still edit the food "things we eat" articles together. ;) ... awww come-on now ... that was funny. :-O — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ? 03:16, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah... ummm... Don't quit your day job. ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:41, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * LOL .. I guess Letterman isn't gonna start sweating yet then? ;) — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ? 05:21, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Welcome back!
Have one of these, my treat!

Grundle2600 (talk) 23:07, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Civility in ANI thread
This comment, specifically the "More mature and respectful parties" comment, did not help civility here.

Please don't poke the bears. The section needing collapse was self-evident. Getting nasty back at Roux was not productive.

I've already warned Roux on his talk page, but I want to remind everyone involved not to behave in a hostile manner, particularly on ANI. Thanks. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 01:29, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Seems valid to me. Everybody's a critic. ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:48, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Edit summary question
"Why isn't Baptisia arachnifera getting a work up on the beach?" It will - if you look at the times of my work, you'll see I was up way too late last night working on the Duncans. I do have to sleep sometime. Did you see my new article already in mainspace? <font face="Old English Text MT"><font color="#ee3399">Lady <font color="#0095c6">of <font color="#442288">Shalott 14:03, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * User:LadyofShalott/Baptisia arachnifera <font face="Old English Text MT"><font color="#ee3399">Lady <font color="#0095c6">of <font color="#442288">Shalott 14:49, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * That article is looking very good. I'll see if I can find anything to tweak. Sleep must come second to completing the sum of all knowledge. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:37, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Re:Martin's BBQ
Hum..., Yes, I would say that they deserve an article, but not the current one in Wikipedia. I used to go to the original one located between Avenida Lomas Verdes and Santa Juanita in Bayamon and let me tell you, forget KFC. Do you know the secret behind their formula? They marinated the "pollos" in beer. Anyway, here are two websites, especailly the "San Juan Herald" which would explian the notability of Martin's BBQ: and Puerto Rico Herald. The article needs a little work. Tony the Marine (talk) 04:25, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for your kind words CoM. I'll admit, I honestly hoped that you weren't too upset with me. I know that I can be "over the top" sometimes with the "Can't we all just get along" stuff. On a side note, I noticed your post to Jimbo's page - I realize that I must now bow down before you as our supreme commander. :P — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ? 06:33, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I was thinking Sultan. High Priest may violate the communalist push for total separation of church and state (is Wikipedia a de facto state?). But Supreme Commander would work okay, although I'm not sure if the pacifists would go for it. Maybe something more elegant like Supreme Purveyor of Truth would be good. Or Head Councilor of Fairness. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:44, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * That would have to be Supreme Purveyor of Verifiability, wouldn't it? <font face="Old English Text MT"><font color="#ee3399">Lady <font color="#0095c6">of <font color="#442288">Shalott 05:08, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Hungry?
Harissa caught my attention, after the final episode of Food Network Star. Drmies (talk) 13:58, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Assistance?
Hi CoM

Created an embarrasingly light stub that perhaps you might be willing to assist on.

Regards, Bongo  matic  22:20, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Italian hotdish? ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:24, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Hadn't thought of it, but yep. Bongo  matic  01:30, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I may need you help with Chinchilla rescue centres if the speedy is declined. I'm not sure it's notable... ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:29, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Looks like it's in good hands, but I'll watchlist it. Please help bring Timballo up to DKY-eligibility. If we could only convince Drmies that Italian=Nevetherlandian we'd be set (we could even probably have the whole Timballo discography in time). Bongo  matic  02:36, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Chinchilla rescue centres
Look at it now...quick! before it gets deleted! Drmies (talk) 02:45, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Did you donate at Chinsatplay website?
 * Whoa, did you see that rabbit on the top left of that page? What's that doing there? Drmies (talk) 02:55, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think that's a rabbit... Speaking of Chinchillas and Basic Income this new article on ProudNation seems right up your alley! ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:01, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Is your tongue in your cheek, Dr. Mies, or are you thoroughly confused about what a chinchilla is? (It's neither a dog nor a rabbit.) <font face="Old English Text MT"><font color="#ee3399">Lady <font color="#0095c6">of <font color="#442288">Shalott 03:02, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * He's probably never seen one alive before. They look very different in Jambalaya or stir fried. Tastes a bit like chicken. ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:09, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, seriously, what does it look like? Oops--I may have put the wrong category on that &^%$^ article. Drmies (talk) 03:29, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think I need to check the history. Thanks Lady. Yeah, I did for a moment think about dogs, I don't know why--I'll have you know that I have a friend who once had a friend who had a chinchilla, and I petted it. (The guy also had a diesel Norton, imported from India, much more impressive than that fuzzy rat.) A momentary lapse of reason. I probably need some sleep. Drmies (talk) 03:31, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You're certainly welcome. BTW, I'm guessing you've seen that the article is now at AfD? What's a diesel Norton? <font face="Old English Text MT"><font color="#ee3399">Lady <font color="#0095c6">of <font color="#442288">Shalott 03:34, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Presumably, one of these, fueled by diesel. Bongo matic  03:36, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, a motorcycle from Norton Motorcycle Company that ran on diesel--very unusual for a motorcycle. He had bought it somewhere in India at the end of a vacation, and then performed two impossible feats with it: he got it through customs (cost him his camera, as a bribe), and then got it up to the third floor of an Amsterdam apartment building--one of the early twentieth-century ones, no elevator, narrow staircase. Anyway, it was a weird thing, only produced 18HP if I remember correctly, but it looked really cool and old and it added a wonderful aroma to the apartment. I couldn't even smell the dog rat  rabbit chinchilla! Drmies (talk) 03:43, 4 August 2009 (UTC)


 * The best news of all came when LoS declined the speedy nom! Seven joyous days of reprieve for that wonderful (and important!) article, assuming there's no snow closure (but a lot of editors push for the full-seven days so here's hoping!). Are y'all sure it isn't Christmas? The gifts just keep on coming! What wonderful humorists you are. ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:38, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah the power of rhetoric/editing... I hope the page gets to stay--I'm teaching business writing in the fall, and this would be a useful example. There was a snarky edit comment by whoever declined that speedy...cats aren't pets? something strange. Well, if if gets deleted that will all be buried deeply. Hey CoM, it's kind of fun hanging out here again at your place--but can you turn the air down a bit? Remember--you can only change it once per week! Drmies (talk) 03:45, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Who would dare make a snarky edit summary? ;-) As for a potentially good class example that is likely to be deleted... one could always request that an administrator entertain a polite request for userfication. I might know one whose userpage mentions being willing to listen to reasonable such requests. <font face="Old English Text MT"><font color="#ee3399">Lady <font color="#0095c6">of <font color="#442288">Shalott 04:12, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Deplorable
Well, obviously you have too many fans, so your ArbCom restriction has been used by disruptive editors to game the system or forum shopping. I think minority's voice is always be warranted without fear on Wikipedia, but unfortunately, that does not occur Although I and you seems to have politically different ideas, you have a right to defend your idea to the public as long as you abide by the Wikipedia rules--Caspian blue 04:07, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, I agree. However, I encourage you to use the article talk page on repeated reverts.  Caspian understands this concept and defends it as well.  Scribner (talk) 04:14, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I guess that your edit would be immediately reverted since CoM only takes valid criticism or polite visit .--Caspian blue 04:18, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You need to use caution on personal attacks. Scribner (talk) 04:21, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I did not attack you, but said about the page owner's way of welcoming/unwelcoming. Besides, I noted your personal attacks not only here but also on ANI. Please be very careful of not doing personal attacks and harassment. Thanks.--Caspian blue 04:23, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You absolutely did, and I'm warning here just as I did on your talk page. Scribner (talk) 04:35, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * And your forum shopping to harass me is not surprising. I'm warning here you again for your repeated harassment. Please bear in mind that you should abide by the NPA rule.--Caspian blue 04:43, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Scribner, you should probably take these serious concerns to ANI. Given Caspian's refusal to acknowledge the validity of your interpretaion, talk page warnings really aren't adequate. Bongo  matic  04:41, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, I'm okay to remove this whole thread here, but well, I don't think you can remove my comment on ANI because it is about his obvious misunderstanding.--Caspian blue 05:01, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Requesting your vote
AFD On this AFD. LoveMonkey (talk) 02:49, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * As a big supporter of meta pages (see for example User talk:ChildofMidnight/talk and User talk:ChildofMidnight/talk/talk), I think I would probably vote keep. I have no idea what Libertarian metaphysics involves, but it sounds fascinating! And I do prefer it over Totalitarian (metaphysics) :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:53, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Wait a minute. I just reread your request. You are asking for an AfD on an AfD? I love it. A meta-AfD. Why hasn't this been done before. Clearly it is long overdue. Can you work up a template? ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:58, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually I guess that wouldn't be a Meta-AfD. Or would it? This stuff is way over my head. I like simple articles that are easy to understand, like those on Chinchilla rescue organizations and politicians. I suggest consulting Skomorokh or Peter D... ummm ooops. I guess he can't be consulted anymore. Anyway, I need to go see what Bill O'Reilly has to say about Amsterdam. Apparently it's very sinful over there, although they do have some nice architecture. ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:03, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Whatever Billo says about the goats--it's only for 'export', so to speak: for American tourists. Drmies (talk) 03:52, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * What is meant by "goats" in this context? I'm finding your relations to animals very confusing/ intriguing this evening. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:06, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Alright C.O.M., I saw your edits on other stuff with Skomorokh and thought you objective. Jeez I was just asking.LoveMonkey (talk) 03:10, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Not on your life, your work is good, so I was hoping for help on the AFD from you.No offense taken at all. Your not a puppet so if you get C.O.M. you get just that. I asked for help because you would be fair and objective. I began to doubt some of my edits since I used the term libertarian metaphysical and it was pointed out to me that's not something used in academia and when I could not find the term anywhere, well.. The rest is history literally, I lost.LoveMonkey (talk) 03:30, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I've been known to ramble. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:33, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Totalitarian (metaphysics) isn't that what We was about?LoveMonkey (talk) 03:30, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll have to go look. I think Me (novel) is a better title. ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:33, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

template
Hey CoM, what do you think of this? (Serious question!) Drmies (talk) 15:52, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Excellent. You made that? ChildofMidnight (talk) 15:56, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, just some cutting and pasting from the peacock template. I think there's a use for it--in band articles, organizational and corporate articles (check out the 'history' section of Oxford Leadership Academy), etc. But I don't know if I got the wording right, I don't know what policy to link to (if I need to do that at all--I think it would make sense), and I don't know if I can simply 'add' a template, or how to do that. I'd appreciate any suggestions, edits, tweaks, etc. Thanks for your help! Drmies (talk) 16:10, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * What is the actual formatting to add it to an article? ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:14, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I would imagine it would be ... But since it's in user space I guess that doesn't work. As you can see, there's a "documentation" section at the bottom which I put in nowiki brackets--I have no doubt that that's where things need to happen before it can go anywhere. I'm going to find out. Oh, remember "Before My End," Selma's most prominent death metal band (Selma has less than 20,000 inhabitants)? I just got their EP in via email. Not bad! If you like that sort of stuff, which I'm still not sure I do, haha. Drmies (talk) 17:16, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Did you make it to the concert? I'll keep a lookout for your camcorder work on youtube. I think the Village Pump might be the place to discuss the template. But that technical stuff is over my head. I mostly focus on trying to add political labels to pigeon hole people in their biographies. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:27, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Haha, right you are. But remember, you're lying through your conservative teeth. Our very first interaction was you setting me straight on how to perform a merge and keep the history. Ha! No, I didn't make it to the concert. But I did go and see Willie Nelson, John Mellencamp, and Bob Dylan last weekend. I tried to label them as 'liberal' while I was getting a beer and just got laughed at. Drmies (talk) 17:33, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The laughter was probably because you have the labels all wrong. Willie Nelson is a libertarian. John Mellencamp is a Blue Dog. And Bob Dylan is an anarchist. I hope that helps. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:51, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

See my talk page
I have to agree with Eagles247 about the cowboys.-- The LegendarySky Attacker 19:59, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You should weigh in on the discussion. But remember that your views will be recorded in the page's history and can be called up to add to your eventual humiliation when America's team stomps the Philthy scanvenger birds. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:06, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * We'll see ;)-- The LegendarySky Attacker 20:07, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Amended remedy
The Committee has amended several remedies of Requests_for_arbitration/Obama_articles, at least one of which mentions your name. You may view the amended remedies at Requests_for_arbitration/Obama_articles.


 * On behalf of the Committee.  MBisanz  talk 03:25, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Discuss this


 * This is great news and just in time. I have some outstanding sources on Obama's true birthplace (hint:he's Dutch) and verifiable proof that Joe Biden is a robot with a circuitboard malfunction. The truth must be known! ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:41, 2 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Does this mean that Marvin the Paranoid Android is covered by ObamaArb now? Where will it end? - 2/0 (cont.) 04:26, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Per the restriction on AfD nominations of bilateral relations articles, since any article has a nexus with a country, and all countries have a non-deletable potential bilateral relationship with the United States, and Obama is the head of state of United States, all articles are Obama-related. QED. Bongo  matic  04:38, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Ah, my mistake. The topic ban is still in effect. The truth will have to wait... Thanks for the good humor gents. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:04, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Topic ban violation
This quite clearly violates your topic ban, as you should obviously know since your comment actually mentions Obama, and since you were specifically warned away from the AfD about this article. This is simply not acceptable. As a courtesy to you I agreed to not enforce the Obama ArbCom remedies against you, but another admin would be well within their rights to block you for that talk page edit. I do not think you can claim that you did not know that page was verboten, and it is your job to stay clear of Obama topics, and err on the side of caution&mdash;not to count on others to warn you after the fact.

If another admin happens by this you might well be blocked (indeed that's probably what should happen), but I'm just (again) warning you to stop editing in these areas. The next time it happens I'll ask another admin to administer a 24 hour block&mdash;you've already been given some leeway on this as you know. --Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 19:28, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The topic ban has been modified. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:29, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I've seen one of the modifications (1RR being limited to Obama-related pages I think was the thing) but to what are you referring? Can you provide a link? I thought you were still topic banned from Obama articles, unless something has changed very recently. --Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 19:35, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * At ChildofMidnight, I guess you misread the modified ArbCom remedy. You can not edit nor comment to anything related to Obama during the 6 months, but after that is expired, you can edit such articles and revert 1RR per week. The modified remedy statement is clumsy in writing that could give misimpression that CoM and others can edit Obama related articles. You really need to stay away from US politics topics which would be generally likely related to the president. --Caspian blue 19:38, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * That's not how I read the remedy. Can you point me to where you see that? ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:40, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah nevermind. I see the remedy above is still in place. You are correct Caspian blue. Thank you for pointing that out. Indeed I had focused on the new remedy statement. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:42, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Again, can either of you point me directly to what you are referring? I think it highly unlikely that the revised remedy is written so clumsily that it could have been misconstrued as ArbCom vacating their remedy against C of M&mdash;C of M was just blocked (and unblocked by me) one week ago for violating his topic ban, so he was well aware of it then. --Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 19:43, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The new remedies are here and they came into play (if I recall correctly) after the issue a week ago. But it appears to me now that as Tarc and Caspian blue indicate the 6 month topic ban is in fact still in place. So it was my mistake per reading the wording of the new remedy and missing the bit above it. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:49, 5 August 2009 (UTC)


 * (ec)The remedy 9 is not modified since June 21 so still CoM and others are topic banned. However,
 * The remedy 9. 2 was amended on August 2 after Sceptre's requested. The writing could give a misimpression, but well, that could be modified to reflect the topic-ban by clerks. --Caspian blue 19:52, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I see what you are referring to, but the topic ban is quite clearly still in place as you say. Probably the Arbs should not have worded the revised remedy the way they did (I'll try to get them to clarify that), but really you still should have known better&mdash;you knew very well you were under a topic ban in addition to a 1RR restriction, and it was quite obvious that the Arbs changed the 1RR restriction but not the topic ban. In any case, please be more careful in the future. --Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 19:54, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It's clear now. I don't think it's hard to understand how reading the new remedy I thought that 1RR on Obama subjects was in effect. I simply missed the ban statement above it. In fact, I hadn't realized Scjessey and I were the only ones subject to that particular remedy. Anyway, no need for a clarification. Mistakes happen. But I think we're all clear now. If you look at my page history and read my comments posted above and at the top of the page it's quite clear I thought the new remedy was 1RR on Obama articles. That would have been more appropriate and helpful, but I see that isn't the case. c'est la vie. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:00, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, I understand, just for the sake of getting this straight for the future (for other editors who might enforce the remedies if not for yourself) I've asked the Arbs to clarify this here. No need for you to do anything since I told them you understand the situation, but probably their language should be more precise, or they should just make a formal statement saying "this is what we meant." Not a big deal but they may as well get it right for future reference. --Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 20:10, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Krugman
Aren't you limited to one revert per week on BLP's? If so, you're over that limit. Scribner (talk) 01:38, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. But thanks for asking. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:39, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You're right it's not just BLP's it's all articles, with a requirement to use the talk page on reverts, right? double check  Scribner (talk) 02:05, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Personal attack removed. Scribner (talk) 18:51, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * He did not violate anything, because his restriction has been changed. Please see Requests_for_arbitration/Obama_articles. Grundle2600 (talk) 23:19, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Krugman
In edit summary for this edit you said that you are tweaking. While most of your changes were tweaks you also reverted my last edit. Was that your intention or you just edited old version of the page by mistake? -- Vision Thing -- 11:48, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the cordial note. Sorry about that, the edit summary reflects the changes I made. I hadn't intended to remove that content at all and would have used a different edit summary if I had. I'm not sure why that happens to me sometimes, but I guess I must have accidentally worked from a version of the article that wasn't current at the time and failed to notice. I tried to restore it to the right spot. ChildofMidnight (talk) 15:33, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

? the source was irrelevant to the sentence it supported, which was about Krugman being "liberal" - a word which doesn't appear in the source. WP:AGF much? Rd232 talk 20:20, 6 August 2009 (UTC)


 * The article's is subtitled "Paul Krugman has emerged as Obama's toughest liberal critic", notes his authorship of "The Conscience of a Liberal" and says he has "has all the credentials of a ranking member of the East Coast liberal establishment." Please don't remove sources from articles with misleading edit summaries. This kind of activity is very damaging to the encyclopedia. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:46, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Chili Bowl
I started the midget car racing article. There had been no other use before early this year. I think the racing article should be renamed to Chili Bowl (race) and Chili Bowl should become a redirect to the disambiguation page. Do you object? If you don't, I doubt it would be controversial. I'm willing to do the work. Please respond here on your talk page with your opinion.  Royal broil  21:59, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * No that would be great if you're okay with it. I wasn't sure whether to name the Chili Bowl restaurant article after the guy or the restaurant especially with Chili Bowl already taken. I try not to rock the boat and didn't want to step on any toes. But I do think it woiuld be nice if people could find the restaurant article and the link to the disambig. page is a step too many. The other way would be to leave the race as is and change the disambig at the top to point to the Chili Bowl restaurant article. I couldn't figure out how to do that. The restaurant seems kind of fun, especially if someone could get a photo. Isn't use of "midget" a BLP violation? For shame. Have a good one RB. Nice to see you. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:08, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * All along, I've thought that the midget car article should be moved if something else came along. I'll move it when I have a little time in a few hours.


 * I actually did a nice play on words with the Chili Bowl article. It was part of this past April's April Fool's Day in DYK - (link). The hook was Did You Know... that HBO television network broadcast midgets racing for prizes in a chili bowl ? Teh he! That might be a bigger BLP. Except racing cars are not living while the motor is off. Have a good one!  Royal broil  22:36, 5 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I thought that everybody knew that "race cars" were "our friends". Living, breathing friends. :P — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  22:54, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm worried about you Ched. By the way my request for you to mentor a difficult user is a reflection of the high esteem I hold you in and recognition of you consideration for your fellow editors. Having said that, I hope I can now get back to giving you a hard time. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:48, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Karl Rove
You should see the activity! Drmies (talk) 02:12, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Barack Obama might have mentioned his name once so I'm not sure I'm allowed to edit that. ;) ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:15, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Seems like a rather aggressive trim. I was about to revert all the edits, but the way they're gunning for me I don't need a Karl Rove edit showing up in my history. The Wiki-Nazis are already after me. You have to admit the bit about him distributing an opponent's campaign flyers with notice about free beer at shelters and rock concerts was fairly awesome... I mean totally inappropriate. Some of the section retitling look okay. :) I'm trying to focus on the positive.
 * Meanwhile I tried to clean up some of the smears and BLP violations on Matt Drudge, but user:Ratel is very focused on including every possible tabloid smear and innuendo to out Drudge as being gay. I don't have any idea whether the guy is gay or not, but what kind of person spends that much time trying to attack another human being? I guess anything goes if it's a conservative? Yikes. Seems kind of sick to me. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:22, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I didn't look at the Rove edits so closely--some of them seemed fine, some not so. I do like my politics a bit cleaner than the average American campaign allows. But let's not go name calling--saying that only conservatives can get attacked with impunity is not verifiable, and you know it. I'm staying far, far away from all of those articles--they suffer heavily from recentism and from the bipolar political climate. And the very existence of the blogosphere is not helping anything or anyone. Ha, I'm a total luddite (he said, while typing away wirelessly on his laptop). Drmies (talk) 02:31, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You missed an amusing discussion on Paul Krugman where a couple of editors were outraged by the idea that he should be identified as liberal or partisan, despite the guy's latest book and his NYTimes blog being titled The Conscience of a Liberal. I was told that trying to identify him as such was like calling him a communist. Which is probably true. :) But I have a tough time arguing with him and all the reliable sources discussing his partisanship and attacks on the Bush administration when the rest of the article is sourced to his opinion pieces. C'est la vie. Jerraud Powers got signed to a four-year contract. Did I tell you about that? How's John Parker Wilson holding up? Don't put any more of these Conservative thread titles on my page by the way. I only want thread titles that are NPOV. Yes we can. ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:11, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm I'm sorry I missed that. I'm pleased to hear about Jerraud Powers, and don't know a thing about Wilson. The more I follow football players after their college careers, the more I am convinced that college athletics is great for lots of people, but not for the vast majority of the players. I do apologize for the title--but then, I just mentioned his name, dude. Oh, I took the opportunity to proofread your post. Report me at ANI if you like. ;) Drmies (talk) 03:55, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

almost six months late...
...but better late than never--congratulations to you too! Drmies (talk) 03:01, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * My mistake. I've tried to correct. Now I have to write an article for the Dutch player's birthday I used for your cake. I should have used Leopold de Beers. Oh I found another one I can use. Thank goodness. Imagine my having to write about Dutch soccer players... Ugh. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:25, 7 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I sure hope Malik saw the message/apology before this bold refactoring. You know what, I'm going to put Obama's name on my talk page, and your first edit there will be your last. Oh! He's on yours now! Does that mean you can't edit your own talk page anymore? Well, there's always the talk page for your talk page... (I liked WP much better when K-stick was around.) Drmies (talk) 05:25, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but honestly I think it's too messed up here for him. I kind of pull for people to get out of here. That's why I haven't posted anything to Tru. I'm really hoping he made out into the light. When it's you and me I know I don't have to worry. We're already messed up beyond repair. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:27, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I know I'm messed up...I sometimes barely recognize myself... Drmies (talk) 05:30, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict. I was just commenting on that actually...) You're up awfully late by the way! And the USDA reference was to a USDA website that has plant images. I was very impressed with it when we were able to use some great photos and illustrations on a couple of LoS's new articles. So I was noting my dismay that for other plants there were either no photos or, in another case, they were copy-righted. That admin like to ABF, what can you do? Even when they're proved wrong they stick to their guns. Speaking of which, remember when congress extended copy-rights for their media buddies so Winnie the Pooh wouldn't go public domain? Those sleazy slime, and you better believe the liberal media didn't have much to say about that atrocity. Keep those profits flowing. Kind of reminds me of your environmental and taxation "principles". :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:35, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

August 2009
in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for. Please stop. You are welcome to make useful contributions after the block expires. If you believe this block is unjustified you may contest this block by adding the text below. As was discussed in the thread on ANI, my topic ban applies to article and talk pages. That is not an article or a talk page. This is more disgusting abuse against consensus by an admin. No surprise. You also failed to issue a warning or to discuss the issue first. You've made clear in previous discussions your disdain for me Sarek, so it's no surprise you're coming after me. This is a disgrace. Right up there with Aitias, Connolley and others who abuse policies and disregard our rules to go after editors they don't like and to support their friends. I don't hold grudges so I hope you'll take action to recognize your series of mistakes soon. I've become friends with editors who I've had disagreements with, but some recognition of your part in the problem will be needed. (refactored somewhat) ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:13, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * ChildOfMidnight, please refrain from personal attacks. I agree; I believe SarekOfVulcan is at least partially mistaken - however, your conduct has not been satisfactory either. Please also see why I believe so at Arbitration/Requests/Clarification. Come back after a very short breather and take a look - nobody likes to see anyone blocked, particularly given the effect it can have on people. Ncmvocalist (talk) 07:08, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I appreciate your kind consideration and suggestions. These abusive admins and a pack of POV pushing editors (many of them non-content contributors) are coming after me and trying to build up my block log to make me out to be disruptive. It worked for Arbcom (barely) after they finally got a single bogus and improper "edit warring" block against me. If you expect me to sit by quietly while I'm maligned by these worms you are mistaken. There's nothing I can do to stop abusive characters from blocking or banning me, and you better believe they will happily use my block log in the future as another weapon against me and continue these attacks until soemthing is done about them or I'm banned permanently, which is what they really want. But I will not remain silent as long as their abusive behavior continues and they so brazenly violate Wikipedia's core policies. Thuggery should not be aided or abetted in any way shape or form. We must all be willing to stand up to  Wiki-Nazis. ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:31, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * ChildofMidnight, I'm fully aware you're very angry because of the nature of the block. You are entitled (and welcome) to ask a number of the questions you have posed on this page, but you are expected to do so in a calm, civil and respectful manner. You currently are not doing so, and continuing along this approach will result in a block that is completely justified. Now that your editing privilleges are restored, hereafter, please work on remedying this, no matter where you contribute. Take care. Regards, Ncmvocalist (talk) 08:10, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

ANI
You have been mentioned in an incident report at AN/I. Bongo matic  06:51, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Haha. The usual stalkers and trolls are showing up to go after me. It's open season. Neutral Homer and WMC's (Connolley) partner in crime Mathsci. Have you seen that nightmare arbcom proceeding they are involved in? Actually there are a couple I think. What are the chances arbcom actually does something about these abusers?


 * Anyway, thanks Bongo, but really I think the good people should stay away from these pigs in the mud. I like y'all too much to have you deal with these swamp creatures. And it's already been demonstrated that it only takes one abusive admin with no warning or discussion to block, but it's almost impossible to get abuse undone. Thanks for thinking of me though. :) If you read the thread above, it was pretty clear what was coming from the abusive harassers that are after me. Arbcom has encouraged their behavior and they will continue to go after those they disagree with and I'm target numero uno.


 * Cheers bro. Have a good one. Maybe Doc will share some of the cake with you if the rodents on his talk page don't get to it first. ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:05, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Get a load out of Bigtimepeace who admits that the Arbcom "remedies" didn't apply. He doesn't even acknowledge his repeatedly trying to impose false restrictions on me at AfD, my own talk page, and other places. Never mind that I went along with it all up to a point to avoid additional disruption and drama.
 * These people will not be satisfied until I'm banned and they don't care how much they have to lie and distort things to make it happen. Their grotesque censorship and abuse of policy has been exposed. Even when something is clearly stated by the lead Arb handling the case, the thugs involved in attacking me still support the block.
 * No contortion of logic is too great in support of an abusive administrator going after someone on their hitlist. Never mind the consensus in the original discussion. Never mind the clear statements of the lead Arbcom handling this case. Never mind the active request for clarification (from an editor who continues to stalk me despite his being banned from contact), these people are after me and they don't care how they have to distort the rules and lie to accomplish their mission. I WILL NOT NOW OR EVER REMAIN SILENT IN THE FACE OF ABUSIVE ADMINS OR ATTEMPTS AT HARASSMENT AND INTIMIDATION OF GOOD FAITH CONTRIBUTORS. My article contributions and article creation work speaks for itself. There are no outrageous edits they can produce. Only attacks and smears that expose their own dishonesty and ignorance. ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:44, 7 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Why are you dragging my name into this? William M. Connolley (talk) 08:26, 7 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Your abusive behavior and block acted to encourage more attacks and abusive admin behavior. Because you got away with your actions and supported your cohort Mathsci's personal attacks and disruption, those behaviors and malicious actions continue to take place. Even after you were shown I did nothing more than make a simple copy-edit on new page patrol and that I received vicious attacks and accusations on my talk page from your buddy, you never made any effort to apologize or fix your mistake. And your disruption has encouraged Mathsci to continue his attempts to bait me and other editors with impunity. When abuse goes unchecked it builds on itself.


 * I steered clear of your arbcom hearing and didn't make an enormous deal out of your involvement in the Ancient Egyptian fiasco, where you reverted to your preferred version and then protected the page (a disgraceful piece of business that was part of a pattern of admin abuse towards editors working in good faith on that article). I've also looked for signs of change and tried to reach out to you. I posted a question on your talk page and you didn't even have the courtesy to respond. I don't see any indication that you recognize your mistakes or that you are willing to treat editors respectfully and to do better. I've been hoping to ask your opinion on the ocean chemistry and climatic variability articles I created, I know they need work and that the subjects are in areas you have expertise, but your hostility and abusive behavior acted to discourage me from asking or wanting to work further on those articles. I don't mind standing up to abuse, but I don't seek it out, and I much prefer to edit collegially with good faith contributors and collaborators.


 * You seem quite happy to be sanctimonious with your little clique of friends, and you don't seem to mind trampling on anyone who you or your friends find to be a bother. That type of mentality from an admin is cancerous, which is why I've avoided you. But I'm not surprised when I see you involved in disruption after disruption. ChildofMidnight (talk) 08:44, 7 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I think you're lost. Best wishes with finding your way back. I'm unwatching here; there is nothing to see William M. Connolley (talk) 11:24, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

unblocked
I have unblocked you, however I will reblock you if you don't tone down your language. John Vandenberg (chat) 08:00, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks JV. I'm off to sleep now. This has kept me up way past my bedtime. Take care and have fun.


 * Also, would you mind reviewing the diffs above of Sarek's edit warring and refactoring of another editor's talk page comment and his statements on the appropriateness of his doing 3 reverts in a 24 hour period. I'd like to know if you think this abusive block without warning, without discussion, and against consensus, even after it's pointed out that it was WRONG, taken together with his other behavior, is the type of conduct we should expect from civil and helpful admins? What should be done about it? See you tomorrow. ChildofMidnight (talk) 08:07, 7 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Yea, I'll take a look. John Vandenberg (chat) 08:10, 7 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Please disengage from this entirely. Your recent comments have been heated and harmful, to yourself and others.  I will block you for the next comment you make about this dispute if it is all sweetness and roses.  If you cant be sweetness and roses about this, step away from the keyboard or work on a different topical area.  I dont want to have to reblock you. John Vandenberg (chat) 09:24, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay. I will follow your instructions. But please keep in mind that while I was blocked these editors were allowed to smear me and I was unable to respond. And Sarek and Protonk and Mathsci are continuing to do so. It was a bad block, yet I'll be stuck with it on my record, and on top of it these attacks on me at public noticeboards are very damaging. Clearly these editors want me banned. That's what I've been trying to explain to Arbcom all along and why your "remedies" were so harmful. The decision encouraged the type of stalking and harassment done by the editor I'm not allowed to mention, and others have followed his lead against me and others with whom they disagree. I'm happy to give you details if it's helpful. Good night. ChildofMidnight (talk) 09:32, 7 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I have your comment, which was unnecessary, as I said earlier I would take a look at this. Please stop commenting on it. John Vandenberg (chat) 09:33, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

pods
Here's Sarek's idea of civility. Here's Sarek refactoring another user's comments. The other editor changes it back. Sarek refactors again. Then protects his page. Receives a warning. Argues 3 reverts in 24 hours is appropriate and okay. This is the kind of abusive admin we need to get rid of. They make the rules up as they go along, impose them arbitrarily and don't abide by them at all. Sarek should be desysoped along with Connolley. I don't know about Protonk, maybe he's just having a bad week and can't be bothered respecting his fellow editors and assuming good faith. That he sticks to his false and abusive assumptions even when they are proved wrong is pretty distrubing. ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:29, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I've run out of time a bit this eve/morn, and must hit the sack.
 * In regards to Sarek, he has apologised for that, and Sarah777 appears to have accepted that.
 * It's too late/early for me to look at Protonk, and I am guessing that is best left as-is. Let me know if there is a long standing feud here.
 * And WMC/Mathsci is on my todo list anyway. I'll look into it.  Feel free to find and add the link you mentioned on my talk, but please dont add more detail as I want to have a quiet day tomorrow if possible.
 * Please avoid commenting about any of these contributors for a few days at least, except on arbitration pages where necessary, and preferably review your comments on arbitration pages before posting, removing any personal attacks that are not well supported by diffs. Personal attacks result in more bitterness; they may draw attention, and inflict pain, but they dont fix the problem.  If anything, personal attacks draw resources away from fixing the problems.
 * Feel free to remove this comment if you want to remove this section.
 * John Vandenberg (chat) 18:52, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay. I agree with everything you've stated. I noticed that Sarek apologized. I would have let those incidents go (I saw them because Sarah had posted on Giano's page about something related and I was investigating). For an admin engaged in that kind of inapporiate conduct to come after me with this abusive block is more than I can stomach.
 * I try to avoid disputes and I don't want to play policeman or spend my time dealing diffs and reporting abuse, but like Giano and Malleus I'm tired of these hassles with abusive admins. I know we're all human here, and I'm certainly not perfect (don't tell anyone), but these attacks and disruptions are interfering with the ability of content contributors to work collegially and constructively. The harassment and stalking by aggressive POV pushers needs to stop. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:11, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

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