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Chimeric Link, good luck, and have fun. Pam  D  07:40, 18 July 2022 (UTC)  Pam  D  07:40, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

VEXAS
Hallo and thanks for expanding the article on VEXAS, which I started a while back after my consultant (for another rare autoinflammatory disorder) mentioned it as an interesting new disease. There are a few points to note:

Welcome to editing. It can be a fascinating time-sink: rather like an infinite jigsaaw-puzzle, always something new to fit in and fix. (Somehow yesterday I ended up creating an article about a Canadian First Nation's museum, starting from stub-sorting an actor from that nation. All good useful stuff.) Pam  D  08:22, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Date formats: Firstly, the publication date must not be in an all-numeric format. The choice between "July 18, 2022" and "18 July 2022" is set by the first major edits to an article, unless it has strong national ties (but I don't think being discovered by US scientists counts), so the dates here should be consistent. "Access-date", or "Retrieved" can be in either of those formats or all-numeric, but again consistency is called for. So I've changed all the dates you added to the existing "dmy" format. See MOS:DATE and WP:CITEVAR etc
 * References go after punctuation, not before - again, I've fixed
 * The reference should show the source, so the "Vexing VEXAS" needs to show that it's from "ASH Clinical News"; in fact I found that it had an author to credit as well, right at the bottom.
 * Never use "currently": this encyclopedia will last forever (well, for quite a while) and articles need to be future-proof. There is always a way to word things to stop them going out of date, and the as of template can be useful too.
 * People's degrees and "Dr" etc are not included in the text of the article: doing so looks like self-promotion.
 * Important question: are you yourself one of the researchers involved, or a colleague, friend, family member? Please read WP:COI on "Conflict of Interest" and make any necessary declarations.
 * Related point: neither of the refs for the last sentence actually seem to mention both Beck and the Relapsing Polychondritis Foundation. His web page "Research" section doesn't mention VEXAS, and the foundation's announcement of the research only talks about "partnering with the researchers at NYU Langone Health and the NIH". I considered removing the sentence, but perhaps you can add a further source which connects them? (Again, your knowledge that they are connected suggests that you are yourself connected: please clarify).


 * On second thoughts I've removed the mention of Beck's lab and link to his page, as this does not seem supported by the information provided. I might also mention that medical articles in Wikipedia are subject to even closer scrutiny than most, with a team of editors who watch them carefully and a stricter requirement on sourcing than for everyday articles - see WP:MEDRS. I don't see any problems here (apart from that, possibly promotional/COI, Beck Lab mention), but just a heads-up. 08:33, 18 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello Pam. Thank you for the follow-up.
 * Please allow me to address your points in order.
 * -Thank you very much for correctly formatting the dates and citations.
 * -Thank you for correcting the placement of references.
 * -Thank you for removing the use of the present-tense term "currently". To address your question, no I am not one of the researcher's involved, colleague, friend, or family member.  I am however acquaintances with an individual who had been diagnosed with VEXAS.  I found the wikipedia entry on the disease somewhat lacking compared to other data sources (e.g. the NIH website) and thought it could use some updating.
 * -I did not know about the inclusion of degrees! I am new to this fun little world of editing.
 * -It would you appear you are correct that the news release from the Relapsing Polychondritis Foundation does not explicitly make reference of David Beck. I mistakenly drew the connection drawn on inference that it appears he is the only researcher at NYU Grossman School of Medicine and NYU Langone Heath directly researching the disease (given his primary role in its discovery this also follows).   I will however note that David Beck's lab website Research section does indeed note that he is studying VEXAS (please see here: https://davidbecklab.org/research/ as well as this press release: https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/renowned-clinicianscientist-joins-division-of-rheumatology-at-nyu-langone-health-301401782.html).  In addition this recent review from Nature is first-authored by David Beck (and notes both his study of Ubiquitin-based diseases such as VEXAS and NYU affiliation: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35523963/).  I also found a more recent release from the RP Foundation (June 21, 2022 where the earlier cited article was from March 31, 2022) (here: https://polychondritis.org/2022/06/the-relapsing-polychondritis-foundation-invests-in-potentially-groundbreaking-collaborative-research-at-md-anderson-cancer-center-and-the-nyu-grossman-school-of-medicine/) that directly states: "Dr. Kanagal-Shamanna’s research will be conducted in close collaboration with Dr. David B. Beck, M.D., Ph.D., New York University Grossman School of Medicine, New York, NY, who, with the financial support of the RP Foundation, partnered with the NIH to discover a new autoimmune disease named VEXAS Syndrome in 2020."  Of note in this article, Kanagal-Shamanna is studying Relapsing Polychondritis and not VEXAS.  Based on the above citations do you think it makes sense for us to add the information back in? The impetus here is not to promote the David Beck lab but, rather, to shed light on the ongoing research to better treat this disease and inform patients/family of ongoing investigations.  And based on the publication history it would suggest that his group as well as the group credited at the NIH are the primary sources for ongoing study.  Given it is a newly identified and understudied rare disease this information feels relevant (as opposed to say, a malady such as breast cancer where there are many hundreds of dedicated research groups).
 * Let me know what you think!  And thank you for your input! Chimeric Link (talk) 22:01, 18 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your reply: no time right now to go into the sources, will look later, but the explanation of why you worked on the article is just my sort of thing - you can see on my user page the random reasons I've created a random collection of articles over the years, and "Someone I know has got this rare thing" is just the sort of reason. Enjoy your editing! Pam  D  08:16, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: David B. Beck (July 20)
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Gusfriend (talk) 07:18, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Photo
Hallo, I see you've started Draft:David B. Beck (I wondered about it when I began the VEXAS article). You uploaded a photo and described it as " Press-release photo of Dr. David B. Beck after joining the faculty at NYU School of Medicine (circa 2021)" and also as "Own work". If so, then you appear to have a COI with Beck: as the photographer who took the photo in the official press release. If this is not the case, perhaps you misunderstood what "own work" means here (it does not mean "I copied it off the internet"). Please clarify. Thanks. Pam D  08:09, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: David B. Beck (January 13)
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 ❯❯❯  Raydann  (Talk)   04:18, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Fixed WP:OVERCITE and resubmitted. Chimeric Link (talk) 00:14, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

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