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Chishti order
Why add Arabic? I believe that there are few Arabs in the order. Perso-Arabic script, as used in Afghanistan, Pakistan, and by some Muslims in India, is sufficient. It might be a good idea to add Devanagari :) Zora (talk) 07:38, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Because the order cannot deny its arabic roots and is returning to them. I am in the order so I know. Shouldnt articles be edited by those that know? Chishm (talk) 18:21, 31 May 2012 (UTC)


 * No, articles should NOT be edited solely by those who belong to the order, or say that they belong to the order. You say that it's returning to its Arabic roots. Or is it that you think it should? And what does that mean? Rewinding the clock 1300 years? How are you going to sit at the feet of Ali? You may be right ... but I would need some references if I am to believe what you say. Zora (talk) 18:45, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Hi, I just spent 17 years living in the middle east and am now talking a break in california before heading back. My kids were all born in Saudi Arabia and I spent a long time recovering our land in Medina that my great grandfather purchased. He lived there 40 years and is cited in wikipedia as sheikh pak chishty. My parents spend every ramadan in saudi. Since being here in California I have met a lot of people interested in their roots and heritage and it seems that is ok for them and it should be ok for me to. I left london when I was 23 to go and live back in the middle east and now sufism is again growing in Dubai, Turkey and even Saudi. Our family tree goes back to Ali and the 1st chishti was abu ishaq shami from syria at that time. I will continue to bring the cultural diversity back to my family whether someone chooses to write about it or not. I am disappointed that people cannot read about this. Mohammed www.midofuzn.com


 * OK, that is more understandable. However, it's not at all clear to me that one Chishti family with ties to Saudi means that the Chishti order is returning to its roots. It means that you are :) I think that's a good thing, BTW; even though I'm not a Muslima, I know that if I were I would be a Chisti or perhaps a Mevlevi. I am distressed by the hard-line Saudi stance against Sufism and the destruction of precious historic sites in Saudi. It would be all to the good if there were more Chishtis in Saudi, Dubai, and Turkey.


 * Rather than expressing your feelings with the simple addition of a word in Arabic, what about writing a Wikipedia article about the current status of Sufism (all orders) in Saudi? I think that this would be useful. I gather from reading here and there on the web that there are groups, but that they keep a low profile. You don't need to "out" anyone, but pulling together available newspaper and journal articles would be helpful. In the main article on Sufism there is one "Sufi teacher" listed for Saudi, but looking at the Abdallah Bin Bayyah article, he doesn't seem to belong to any order. So there's really no info on WP for Saudis who might be interested in Sufism. Zora (talk) 22:21, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Yes I know Bin Bayyah and also Jiffri, they are mentioned in the main sufi article. We put together a sufi show in abu dhabi a couple of years ago. You can you tube some clips if you type 'mahabba awards the sound of reason' for example. The problem with newspaper articles is that they are all government controlled and edited so nothing about sufis gets out in the middle east. We only feel the change from more events, gatherings and discussions taking place. I could write an article but I dont want anyone to get in trouble, do you have any suggestions around this?


 * News articles outside Saudi are not government controlled. Frex (for example), here's the first article that come up on a Google search: . There also seem to be a number of books about contemporary Saudi that mention the persecution of Sufism.


 * As I noted on the talk page of the Chishti article, it would be very useful to have a list of current teachers (with lineage affiliations) and centers all over the world, so that people who wanted to find a teacher could do so easily. When it came to Saudi, we could just cite the Washington Post article and say that few Sufi teachers there dared to go public. Perhaps we could put local pronunciations/written words for Chishti in the section for each country/region. That makes more sense than putting them all at the top of the article.


 * Could you do that research? My time is limited. I could do editing and proofreading on your contribution. Zora (talk) 20:23, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

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