User talk:Chocolaterain451

Speedy deletion nomination of Victoria Thorpe
Hello VictoriaThorpeArt,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Victoria Thorpe for deletion, because the article doesn't clearly say why the subject is important enough to be included in an encyclopedia.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions.

Zazzysa (talk) 19:17, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

September 2017
Welcome to Wikipedia. It might not have been your intention, but you removed a speedy deletion tag from Victoria Thorpe, a page you have created yourself. If you believe the page should not be deleted, you may contest the deletion by clicking on the button that says: Contest this speedy deletion which appears inside the speedy deletion notice. This will allow you to make your case on the talk page. Administrators will consider your reasoning before deciding what to do with the page. Thank you. Zazzysa (talk) 19:38, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

Please do not remove speedy deletion notices from pages you have created yourself, as you did with Victoria Thorpe. If you believe the page should not be deleted, you may contest the deletion by clicking on the button that says: Contest this speedy deletion, which appears inside the speedy deletion notice. This will allow you to make your case on the talk page. Administrators will consider your reasoning before deciding what to do with the article. Thank you. Zazzysa (talk) 19:46, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

It's a bad idea to write about yourself
Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. We welcome and appreciate your contributions, but it appears you have written or added to an article about yourself, at Victoria Thorpe. Creating an autobiography is strongly discouraged – see our guideline on writing autobiographies. If you create such an article, it may be deleted. If what you have done in life is genuinely notable and can be verified according to our policy for articles about living people, someone else will probably create an article about you sooner or later (see Wikipedians with articles). If you wish to add to an existing article about yourself, please propose the changes on its talk page. Please understand that this is an encyclopedia and not a personal web space or social networking site. If your article has already been deleted, please see: Why was my page deleted?, and if you feel the deletion was an error, please discuss it with the deleting administrator. Thank you. —C.Fred (talk) 19:59, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Victoria Thorpe


A tag has been placed on Victoria Thorpe requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a real person or group of people, but it does not credibly indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please read more about what is generally accepted as notable.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the. —C.Fred (talk) 20:14, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

Hi Fred I did contest but was not given an answer it was just deleted please can you shed some light as to why Anne Stokes has a biography page yet I am not allowed one? How do I write one? Thanks!

A common misunderstanding
Unfortunately, many people make the mistake of thinking "anyone can edit Wikipedia" means "anyone can edit Wikipedia in any way they like", rather than something closer to "anyone may make contributions to Wikipedia in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. One of the consequences of this misunderstanding is that many people think that Wikipedia is an ideal place to publicise or promote themselves and their work. I do not blame people for coming here to do that, as they commonly do so in perfectly good faith. However, when editors have explained to such a new editor that doing so is not acceptable, if the new editor continues in the same way then it becomes difficult to continue to view it as a good faith mistake, and if the same thing continues after warnings then sooner or later the editor in question may be blocked from editing by an administrator. You are very welcome to start contributing to Wikipedia from a neutral point of view on subjects other than yourself and things related to yourself, but if your only purpose is to post pages to publicise your work, then Wikipedia is not the right place to do it. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 20:25, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

Hi thank you for being understanding! I did it because I wanted to create a page about a character I created and I thought it would be pretty cool for people to refer to a page and know a back story about me. I suppose that isn't the case as no one is replying to my questions and I am being ignored when I contest which is quite upsetting. Do you know if I am allowed to add my character to a page?

Lack of clear information for new editors
I see that at Talk:Victoria Thorpe you wrote "You should make it more clearer that you can't write about yourself as the article I read on Wikipedia did not say anything about writing about yourself". I totally agree, and I have every sympathy with people who come here, create an article in good faith, and see it deleted for reasons they could not have foreseen. I think Wikipedia should make sure that nobody can just come here and create an article without first being aware that there are guidelines and policies which they need to follow. That said, however, I still stand by what I wrote above about the situation changing if an editor continues in the same way after being informed of policies.

My advice to new editors is that it is best to start by making small improvements to existing articles, rather than creating new articles. That way any mistakes you make will be small ones, and you won't have the discouraging experience of repeatedly seeing hours of work deleted. Gradually, you will get to learn how Wikipedia works, and after a while you will know enough about what is acceptable to be able to write whole new articles without fear that they will be deleted. Over the years I have found that editors who start by making small changes to existing articles and work up from there have a far better chance of having a successful time here than those who jump right into creating new articles from the start. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 20:32, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

James you are a star! You are so understanding, I feel rather jumped on by everyone else and it has discouraged me about the whole wikipedia thing to be honest.
 * This is something I feel quite strongly about. I could say a lot more about it, but just now I don't have time. Meanwhile, though, here is one small point. Whenever you post to any talk page or discussion page, always finish your message with four tildes, that is to say ~. That will get automatically get replaced by a signature which not only shows who posted the message and when, but also provides a link to your talk page which can be convenient for any other editor who want to contact you. Also, if you put (or the user name of any other editor) and also use ~ as a signature, then that editor will get a notification, so that he or she can come along and see what you have written. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 20:44, 7 September 2017 (UTC)


 * It also seems that nobody left you a welcome message. I apologize for that oversight. The welcome includes links to many of Wikipedia's policy pages. One of the pages that is often linked to is WP:Your first article, which walks through the various dos and don'ts of creating an article. Front and center on the list of things to avoid is an article about yourself. There are a couple of reasons for this. One, it's often seen as being self-promotion, and Wikipedia strongly discourages its use as a promotion or advertising platform. Two, it's hard to write a neutral article about yourself or any related topic; it can be done, but it's hard to maintain neutral tone and neutral point of view. That's why we prefer articles to be written by independent editors. —C.Fred (talk) 21:17, 7 September 2017 (UTC)


 * (And the following message is a template. Forgive the boilerplate, but it gets you the necessary links. —C.Fred (talk) 21:19, 7 September 2017 (UTC))

Thanks for all the information! It's a shame I was missed and brought on this situation. Just wanted you to know that it was genuine and wasn't meant for self promotion. I actually wanted to create a page specifically for a character series I am working on as a bit of a copyright safety net. Many of my artist friends have had their designs stolen and I thought this would be a good place to pop a little info on and it be date and time stamped. I also thought it would be pretty cool to direct to a page saying a bit about my background as an artist. But I totally understand why the rules are there and appreciate them. I put in for a name change too as I definitely don't want to be coming across as a promotional profile! Hopefully that can be arranged :) on the bright side I have a shiny new bio for my website at least! VictoriaThorpeArt (talk) 14:56, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
 * In reply particularly to this: "I actually wanted to create a page specifically for a character series I am working on as a bit of a copyright safety net."
 * You need to be extremely careful in that regard. Read the fine print below the edit box: "By saving changes, you agree to the Terms of Use, and you irrevocably agree to release your contribution under the CC BY-SA 3.0 License and the GFDL." In other words, any of your characters, if you write about them on Wikipedia, you have given away the rights to the material you publish here. Taking it a level further: if you were to upload a picture of the character to Wikimedia Commons, then anybody could use that picture for any purpose, including commercial reuse. You couldn't complain that your design was stolen if you saw it for sale somewhere else, because you gave it away.
 * Yes, that paragraph is harsh. Yes, it may scare you a bit. I don't want to scare you away from contributing; however, I want to make sure you understand the copyright repercussions of posting creative content to Wikipedia or its related projects. Remember that Wikipedia exists as an encyclopedia. It's purpose is to provide free material on a range of notable subjects in a neutral fashion. It is not a time-stamping service, copyright repository, or webhost. —C.Fred (talk) 15:26, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

brilliant thanks for the info, that clears that up! I did notice when I uploaded the photo of myself about copyright and was going to look more in depth into it but I didn't mind people using the photo of myself! I guess I will just wait until I buy the rights instead VictoriaThorpeArt (talk) 17:43, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

Welcome!
Hello, VictoriaThorpeArt, and welcome to Wikipedia! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Unfortunately, one or more of the pages you created may not conform to some of Wikipedia's guidelines, and may not be retained.

There's a page about creating articles you may want to read called Your first article. If you are stuck, and looking for help, please come to the Teahouse, where experienced Wikipedians can answer any queries you have! Or, you can just type help me on this page, followed by your question, and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Here are a few other good links for newcomers: I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes ( ~ ); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you have any questions, check out Questions or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome! —C.Fred (talk) 21:19, 7 September 2017 (UTC) —C.Fred (talk) 21:19, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
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