User talk:ChrisGriswold/Archive 3

"No more roman numerals"
I just want to understand why you have taken this stance on a few of the comic book wiki entries. Last I checked, it was a common practice within the comic book community. Was there a mandate on this that I missed? Please explain your actions. -- Majin Gojira 20:11, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
 * We avoid Roman numerals because they can be confusing (Firestorm, Hawk and Dove, for instace), particularly in the case of retcons, wherein character orders are changed. Please see WT:NCC. Thanks. --Chris Griswold 21:59, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Duhh. They'll know what's happening when they get to the page!!! Isn't that obvious to you?! It's kind of implied, silly--T-man, the wise 06:59, 2 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I suggest a ban of T-Man for being rude above, and calling you "silly". This beviour breaches the terms of his probation. -- Dyslexic agnostic 07:42, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Sources in Marvel Universe article
Just wanted to point out that my removing of the Citations Needed tag in this article was accidental; I removed it when I was adding the Sources section but decided against it later as I felt that the introduction section might need citations as well. I just forgot to add it again when I saved the page. And no, I'm not going to give individual OHOTMU citations, as they range from everything from full entries (Gods, for example) to descriptions of powers in certain characters' entries. Too much research for me to handle currently. Rest assured, thought, that there is no original thougth in any of my additions to the article (can't speak for other people's, though.) P.S. You might want to think about archiving your talk page already. -Wilfredo Martinez 05:40, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I may go through and tag individual sentences that need to be cited so we can either address or remove them. You're right about the talk page. I don't know how to make a fancy archive like some other editors have, though, with the icon. --Chris Griswold 05:43, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Nightwing Article
I like your attempts to help out the Nightwing article but honestly it's not helping the issue most people are having in that its STILL mostly repeating info form the Dick Grayson article, it just feels like you padded it out. I really think the two should just be merged.--Gurlpower Ca 05:43, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

What you call "padding", I call fleshing out sections that needed it. Before, it might have been agreeable to merge it, but now there's more information on the original Nightwing, plus information on Nite-Wing, Grayson's imitator. Pluse, there's the current storylines, which continue the tradition of characters borrowing the name, even bringing it back to the Superman mythos. Grayson may be the most recognizable Nightwing, but at least seven other characters use the name in the comics. --Chris Griswold 14:16, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
 * But actually, maybe it can be left intact as a subsection of the Dick Grayson article...--Chris Griswold 14:20, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Sorry About Speedster
I just misread something. I will be more careful in the future.--Radaar 17:13, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Sinestro
Thank you for fixing this. It actually hurt to read that page, before. --Shinydan 12:45, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I barely touched that, and it still needs work. I think someone simply made a revert to take out someone's copyvio cut and paste of appearance information. Why do you think I did it? --Chris Griswold 12:47, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Because I'm still new enough that I didn't think to look at the edit history. Oops. --Shinydan 09:13, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

General messages

 * I answered your question on the XIME page. --Beamrider 14:42, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Young Avengers
I was trying to trim those arcs as I found time. Thanks for finishing what I started. --Newt ΨΦ 01:15, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I noticed. I was going to thank you. --Chris Griswold 02:44, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I would have said "You're welcome." --Newt ΨΦ 02:50, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Super Skrull
Dude, you're cracking me up :) -- Ipstenu ( talk | contribs ) 13:54, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Variant Covers
I'm not sure how it's POV. Most of their comics ship with numerous variant covers. A lot ship with 6 or more. There's now a link to their August solicitations page, where Stargate Atlantis: Wraithfall and Lady Death: Blacklands are solicited. Each have the number of alternates stated. I could also add Aspen MLT for current regular uses of variant covers. Ekchuah 14:49, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, but that company doesn't do it the most. You don't have anything that can say that for sure.--Chris Griswold 17:21, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
 * But... they do. Should I change it to 'major'? Maybe there's some comic press in Peoria that makes 30 covers per issue, but in terms of large market, Avatar definitely makes the most variant covers per issue. Just comparing the solicitations on Avatar, Aspen MLT, and Mile High is more than enough to confirm that. That Avatar is the most prolific remaining advocate of variant covers is so widely known that it's taken for granted in the business. But if you're going to be snide about citations, you might want to cite any other claim made on the page. Right now there's nothing cited except for the variants of those two comics I mentioned and the number of orders required for New Avengers chase variants. Ekchuah 19:33, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Just because there aren't citations for other parts of the page does not mean you should make a claim like that without citing it. I'm not being snide; we try to cite things on Wikipedia. Try not to be rude, please. You're already creeping me out a little with your trip down the list of articles I created. --Chris Griswold 19:45, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
 * If you're creeped out by something you perceive, that's nobody's problem but your own. However, I would ask that you cite: sales figures for X-Men #1, Infinite Crisis and Superman #75, support completionist tendancies with regard to all of the above, Verotik's use of adult-only variants, change in trend of variant covers following Infinite Crisis, and the use of variant covers for TV Guide. The phrase 'remembering his success with X-Men #1' sounds a bit POV to me, unless you can cite that it was Jim Lee's stated motivation. I realize that all of these things are common knowledge and that no one with any experience in the industry would question or doubt them. But since that isn't good enough for Avatar, it isn't good enough for any of the above. Ekchuah 20:06, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree with you about those. Change them if you feel they need to go. --Chris Griswold 20:09, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Replace the entire article with 'A variant cover is when something with a cover also has other versions of the same cover. A non-exhaustive list of examples may include comic books, magazines or albums. Red Sox rule. ' Whoops. That last bit is a bit POV! 204.69.40.7 20:12, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
 * So true. --Chris Griswold 20:13, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

X-Men 3
"Changes to the plot summary need to be discussed here first before editing."

I would recommend removing this from the TODO. The reason is because it discourages any kind of collaboration on an article that is largely still in flux. Yes, I know it is horrible having to baby sit the article for unencylopedic changes, but there is a chance that someone with some good imput might be not imput because of that notice.--P-Chan 18:00, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
 * That's fine. I trust you completely. If you haven't removed it, I will.--Chris Griswold 19:46, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Minor edits
Chris, have you got the button checked for Mark all edits minor by default on the editing tab of your preferences? I ask because you seem to be marking all edits as minor, which is considered bad form per Help:Minor edit. Some people hide minor edits on their talk page and so would miss edits you have made which are certainly not minor, for example,, and  are highly discussable edits. Steve block Talk 20:27, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, you're right. I didn't even realize other people wouldn't see them. I'll change it now. Thanks.--Chris Griswold 20:29, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Your edit to Superman
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Superman
Umm... you blanked the article. josh buddy, talk 21:32, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh shit. I was wondering when the Firefox thing was going to happen to me. I will fix it. --Chris Griswold 21:33, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, I get it...Thanks.--Chris Griswold 21:34, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Appreciation
Thanks for the notice on your userpage. I'm still a very new editor and I respect your boldness, conciseness, prolificacy, and good humor. --Newt ΨΦ 03:50, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Seeing your name on an edit history makes me feel confident that the article's going to get better. If there weren't editors like you and the others on my lists, I'd get pretty overwhelmed, and I don't think I'd be doing this quite so much.--Chris Griswold 19:01, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I do my best, and enjoy doing whatever I can find the time to do. Glad to be of service. --Newt ΨΦ 21:33, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

An award for you

 * Thank you. --Chris Griswold 19:01, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Peruvian Wonder Woman thing...
Hi! Those are some other pages about this "Just imagine Stan Lee" thing:

http://www.bluecorncomics.com/atdccom.htm http://www.cinescape.com/0/editorial.asp?aff_id=0&obj_id=29072&this_cat=Comics http://www.chud.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22024&goto=nextnewest

Use them as better please you (im not an english speaker, sorry)

Greetings --Gonzakun 07/07/06

Your template mangling markup
If you want to display a link to a template, it's done like this: Cleanup-comics. It performs all the nowik stuff for you, and as much fun as it has been to watch you struggle with the mark-up, I think it is now time to let you in on the secret. Have fun with this new trick, use it wisely, and glad you found the template useful. Steve block Talk 12:30, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I really appreciate your taking the time to make that template. Thanks for the tip. --Chris Griswold 01:10, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

While I am here
Hello. Please don't forget to provide an edit summary. Thanks, and happy editing. . Seriously, there are people at requests for admin who will oppose simply because you don't use edit summaries in, like, 95% of your edits. Now I think you need a couple more months at the least before you think about running for adminship, but, if you are harbouring a notion in that direction, start using edit summaries. Steve block Talk 12:35, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I hadn't actually thought about it being an administrator, but I guess I will now. I have been trying to be better about using edit summaries, particularly since you mentioned it once before. I will use them from now on. I'd appreciate any more guidance you might have for me in the interest of becoming an admin. --Chris Griswold 22:56, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
 * P.S.: Are you able to see my editing stats? What program are you using? --Chris Griswold 23:00, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't know if Steve is using something unusual to bring up an exact number of 95%, but you can look through your own edits by clicking "my contributions" in the upper-right hand side of your screen (as I'm sure you're aware), and other people's by clicking "user contributions" in the "toolbox" in the lower-left hand corner, whilst on the user's talk page (it took me a while to notice that part). ~CS 00:02, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, I understand that. I just know that there are programs that let you see exact statistics. I downloaded one once and saw my stats; it also scared me into trying to use edit summaries more. Unfortunately, when I am done editing, I tend to hit the "tab" and "return" keys too fast for myself to think about it. it's a habit I'm trying to break. I do know that there are Wikipedia-specific browsers that might help me break that habit and also automate some of the tasks that I want to perform instead of having to manually cut and paste so much. I'm going to look into those once I get back to a computer I actually own. --Chris Griswold 00:13, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Winnie-the-Pooh
Do you have any specific cleanup concerns with Winnie-the-Pooh? Powers 13:43, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup concerns
Gidday. I noticed that you tagged the article Natasha Irons for cleanup. I don't see any blatent problems with the article. Would you care to explain? ACS (Wikipedian) 21:12, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I've taken care of it. I was marking a number of articles at once, but I failed to mention what needed to be fixed. It was mostly copy-editing stuff. --Chris Griswold 01:12, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

You needlessly changed the whole article to suit your POV. You misused a tag and even go as far as to make an addition to the intro that you cannot even varify. "Names herself "Lumina"? For all you know, Luthor assigned the codenames. BTW, it'd be wise to talk about the changes you want to make beforehand if they're going to be that drastic. ACS (Wikipedian) 04:36, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
 * How does it suit my POV? It was needlessly wordy, in the wrong tense, and sloppy. I cleaned it up. Yes, I misspoke on the "names herself" thing. I've since fixed that. The changes aren't drastic; they're normal changes: copy editing and tense correction. It would be nicer if you would approach me in good faith, rather than to say, "Comments regarding some thoughtless, self-centered work" How was my Work self-centered or thoughtless? --Chris Griswold 06:59, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

The wrong tense? Hmm. I was under the impression that articles about fictional stories shouldn't be written in the past tense. I call your work thoughtless and self-centered because you tag the article for cleanup without a reason, only to edit later as you see fit. If there's a real problem, either fix it or discuss it. You cannot just tag articles because they "don't look right" to you and leave them. That's where I get the idea that this is a POV thing. No one mentioned anything remotely wrong before. Furthermore, "needlessly wordy" is better than summarized to the point of no recognition. You actually expect someone to have any idea what you're talking about when you write it that way? ACS (Wikipedian) 19:59, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
 * You're right; they shouldn't be in the past tense. I changed it to present in a lot of places. Do you have any other specific concerns? --Chris Griswold 20:50, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

King of the Hill Character Edit
Hi. This is with regards to the character edits on the King of the Hill page. Understanding that the goal is to have concise bios for each, it's also understandble to want to see them accurately reflect the 'totality' of the character. I'm speaking mainly to the continued editing of the information that Connie is a blue grass efficianto. I feel this information is critical in instilling the depth that the writers of the show so obviously wanted to give her. As an observation and not a criticism, many of the character bios currrently posted are taken from the pilot. The show has evolved just about every character, with the exception of maybe cotton, a great deal. Respectfully, your bios don't reflect that; then again, perhaps I'm missing something. I'm new to Wikipedia, so pardon any breach of protocol as it relates to prior communication. I am however not new to this premise. The world owns that page, not one singular point-of-view. I'm adding the Connie info back while I await your reply. Prmdbr 10:53, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

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Ultimate Spider-Man
I have seen you un-fattened the USM article, and I think it was an improvement. But I think you should rethink simply deleting out USM-plot-relevant (!) characters like Geldoff or Hammerhead out or leave cameos of Shocker, Punisher, Killer Shrike etc completely unmentioned. Just my 2 cents, but I think the article is moving into the right direction. Onomatopoeia 17:56, 11 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Just a question, how well do you actually know this series? I assume good faith, but I am not sure whether you have slimmed/edited based on hearsay or after you actually read the comics. Onomatopoeia 13:13, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I have read every issue of every Ultimate title and have them available to me when editing the article. --Chris Griswold 13:15, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
 * OK. For the whole USM thing, **I** would still insert Geldoff, Hammerhead and Justin Hammer, and then, the article is pretty close. Onomatopoeia 13:25, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Nightwing in other media
Hey, dude. Look, I'm trying to assume good faith. I am. However, I gotta ask, is this whole editing campaign of yours based on a personal problem with moi? Your recent edits to Nightwing, were, in essence, a partial revert of my work in favor of the old text, followed by a separate edit where you change the again section to suit your...tastes. (Notice, I chose not to say the "p" word.) If I may do a bad Jerry Sienfeld impression...What's up with that? ACS (Wikipedian) 03:38, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Every editor edits to their tastes. I prefer the way the section is in my most recent edits to the way it was before. I'm not sure how that is not understandable. Also: Stop being paranoid. I get your username confused with several other "ACE" editors', and I don't really make an effort to tell them apart. If I am editing your work, it is coincidence. --Chris Griswold 03:47, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Jean Grey/Marvel Universe template
Could you look at the article itself? On my 'puter it's showing up with a space between the template and the punctuation (period) which is why I changed it to a simple wiki link. I don't see anything wrong with the template itself, so I don't know what's up. CovenantD 01:05, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I fixed it. Thanks. I had just figured you thought the "{{" to be an error. --Chris Griswold 01:52, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Comic book templates
You've just amended a whole slew of templates to sit in a category which currently has no place in the category structure and is somewhat incorrect. How come? I thought I had clarified the difference between the terms before? Steve block Talk 11:16, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I think I see what you're up to, and have moved a few templates that don't fit. Steve block Talk 11:41, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'm just trying to clarify which templates are which for better ease of use. Wikipedia was being slow last night, so I didn't get it all done, despite using AWB for the first time. --Chris Griswold 17:31, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Um, Chris, WP:CMC isn't appropriate for a category name, and please use better edit summaries than the default (clean up using AWB) it's making it very hard to understand what is going on. Steve block Talk 18:09, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * What are you trying to do/fix here? I can't see the problem you seem to think exists. Steve block Talk 18:10, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Should I change it back to "comic templates"? I'm trying to come up with the right structure. I'll revert it for now. Sorry, I'm also getting used to AWB. I was just trying to make these templates as easy for editors to find as possible. --Chris Griswold 18:13, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * So in what way do you think they aren't easy to find at the moment? Steve block Talk 18:19, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, before I started doing this, all of the templates were thrown together, and it was a little overwhelming to look through them all. Now they are categorized. I was just trying to come up with the best category for them all to fall under.--Chris Griswold 18:21, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, I don't agree but I take the point that they may possibly be hard to find. I don't think 50 odd templates in one category is too much, to be frank. But even so, how is Category:WP:CMC templates any clearer?  How many people know what WP:CMC means?  Steve block Talk 18:26, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, you're right, and that's why I've changed it. I just figured it was WP:CMC editors who were using the templates. --Chris Griswold 18:28, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I just noticed that Comicsproj is protected. I was hoping to make that a clearer as well, a more non-affiliated-editor-friendly version of WPCMC. --Chris Griswold 18:32, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Well done (I appreciate anyone taking an interest in template categories). Are you planning to delete the Comic templates category eventually? –Unint 22:37, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Spoiler tag RfC
In an attempt to better organize the debate we've set up a new discussion page and an RfC intro page, hopefully this will be more inviting to additional editors. The new pages can be found at Spoiler warning/RfC. You mentioned that you wanted to be notified when there was a vote. While not exactly a vote, there is a poll-like response area on the discussion page that you might wish to use to voice your concerns. -- Ned Scott 14:22, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, I noticed. Thank you. I also posted about this on the comics project notice board to get some more response. --Chris Griswold 17:30, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Little Boxes
Hey -- do you know how to put those grey boxes with blue dotted lines around block quotes? That was what I was trying to do with the quoted text on the Batman talk page, but I ended up with some barely visible tables instead... ~CS 21:59, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

How about this? All I did was put a space before the "H" in "How." --Chris Griswold 23:07, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Ultimates
hey, i saw you put the merge tag for a bunch of ultimates pages. do you know how to block a page from being recreated? because people just keep making more ultimates pages, even with all the concensus stuff. i saw a permanent block for Ghostbusters III. otherwise we'll be having these arguments with newbies forever. Exvicious 09:40, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Everyday Life
A question about User:ChrisGriswold/Everyday, why isn't this a regular page? It's well designed and has a hell of a lot of info. Is it basically a sandbox project and you accidentally left a category in? --Basique 21:48, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Chris II dud eventually make an article out of it, but later had it deleted. Don't ask me why, as I'm not fit to analyze the nuttier Wikipedians. ACS (Wikipedian) 22:13, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

superboy spoiler tag
you're tag didn't work. i don't know what it's supposed to look like, but now it's just red text. Exvicious 06:17, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Got a non-comicplot summary condensing project I'd like your help with
Category:StarCraft storyline currently has twenty articles covering the storyline of StarCraft, blow by blow, not counting the two game articles and the character articles.

Would you be willing to help me clean up this mess? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 11:21, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah; I don't know anything about StarCraft, and that might actually be a good thing. --Chris Griswold 17:48, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Then you're in luck, because we've got 20 articles covering the storyline! ¬_¬ - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 18:10, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Do you know which sections of this storyline go to which games? --Chris Griswold 18:12, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
 * There's a handy little navbox on the right of each page. By the way, you do realize that this is one game and one expansion pack, right? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 18:20, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Consider my lid flipped. --Chris Griswold 18:31, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Wait -- did he just request help, even though you admitted not knowing anything about the topic, and then criticize you for not knowing anything about the topic? ~CS 19:10, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, I requested help, then pointed out that the reason this was so bad was because it was 20 articles for a game and a half. - A Man In Bl♟ck  (conspire | past ops) 19:21, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I got that. It's just kind of unbelievable. I'm still trying to figure out where to start. I'll work on this tonight. --Chris Griswold 20:10, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Cancer Deaths Category
Chris,

I can't find a policy that covers this. Can you call up a single list of all persons in Wiki who have died from cancer, without having to call up each individual type of cancer list?

Regards,


 * Michael David 20:45, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Part of the problem is that the maximum number of links you can have on a category page is 200, including category links and article links. This is part of the reason we only add articles to both a category and its subcategory. There are some instances in which it is alright to use both. See Categorization/Categories and subcategories for information. In this case, however, it is an instance in which the subcategory further specifies a type of cancer.
 * You may also find Categories, lists, and series boxes helpful. It outlines the strengths and weaknesses of three different ways to group articles. You may want to use a list.
 * I hope this is helpful; it's obviously more helpful than an edit war that neither of us really wants. It's obvious to me that you are working to improve with Wikipedia, so I'd much rather work with you. If you have any more questions or comments, let me know. --Chris Griswold 21:22, 19 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Chris,


 * Thank you! I have had similiar disagreements over this issue with others on Wiki, and you are the first to make sense of it for me. I will explore the various links you gave me. I guess, as a lazy researcher, I like to have the resource do as much of the work for me as I can get it to do.


 * Thanks again.


 * Be healthy,


 * Michael David 21:38, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Clean up tags
Chris, I take your points, and rest assured there are some great merit to them, but I am going to have to ask you to bear in mind you can't just tag articles with a clean up tag. It's best practise to also expolain the reason for the tag being added on the talk page, otherwise you do risk appearing incivil. Thi is a wiki and we all need to work together; unilateral action should always be avoided, and noting issues you have with the content allows other people to carry out improvements or discuss the issues. I will take the other issues forward as well, however, you need to remember it's important to show absolute good faith in the wiki process. It's a hard line to tread, and god knows I never manage it, but showing willing is half the battle. Steve block Talk 13:31, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I only tagged a few articles without edit summaries and then used them from then on, but I didn't tag the Booster Gold article he was talking about; In fact, I continually find articles that I did not tag. I'm really not sure how anyone could say I have not been working with other people; I just re-organized the comics templates so that other editors could find them more easily, and I created the Notice Board specifically to work with other editors. Of course I have faith in the process, and I'm a little disappointed to think that with the work I have done you would think that. --Chris Griswold 20:20, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Personal attacks
I saw you message to Steve. The page you're looking for is Personal attack intervention noticeboard. I hope you include the edits in which he refers to me as Captain Dip. CovenantD 14:27, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Yeah, it's not really about just me; I just didn't know he was going this far with other editors. --Chris Griswold 19:29, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Example and warning
Yo, Christopher, what's the deal? Do you like...get something out of messing we my talk page? Why the "example" image? And why, exactly, are you placing a new message at the top? That's not the way. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 20:44, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
 * "Example" image? Oh, sorry. Editing accident. According to the Personal attack intervention noticeboard, that tag goes at the top. --Chris Griswold 20:51, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Chris, I can't see that Personal attack intervention noticeboard does say that it goes at the top, and I've already warned User:Ace Class Shadow as to his behaviour at 17:45. As he hasn't made a personal attack since I warned him, I think you should remove the warning.  I don't think the 3rd level warning is appropriate at this time.  Steve block Talk 21:07, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Done. --Chris Griswold 21:12, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Now I've asked User:Ace Class Shadow to respect the civility and personal attack policies and he has responded that he will try, so I'd ask we extend good faith in the expectation that is the case. Steve block Talk 21:18, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Of course. --Chris Griswold 21:19, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

An injection of sanity needed
Can you come over to Talk:Gate (Mega Man? I've run up against a wall trying to clean up Mega Man cruft, and someone is arguing that there's too much to say about the villain of that game. Part of the disagreement is over a "personality" section which...well, you just have to see. I'd appreciate a sane voice, if you can spare the time. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 00:30, 21 July 2006 (UTC)