User talk:ChrisGriswold/Archive 6

Clock King
There seems to be an edit war brewing at Clock King, and I'm involved so I lose my admin abilities. Appreciate a second eye. Steve block Talk 22:02, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

52 main characters
Chris,

For confirmation that there are nine principal characters in 52, please check out. NetK 01:09, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
 * You're absolutely right. Somehow, I was missing the context of what was being discussed. I got the edit mixed up with an edit I had seen involving the six characters who had returned via zeta beam. Ironically, this was something I argued for in the past. --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  )  01:21, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Pittsburgh Links
I've replaced all links in mainspace articles. Let me know if you need any further help. Regards, alpha Chimp (talk) 02:49, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I should have cleared all of the links that were just Pittsburgh . This excludes commented links and links outside of mainspace. I don't care to mess with talk pages. What else do you want me to get? alpha Chimp (talk) 05:54, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
 * No, I only want mainspace. I don't like to touch other stuff either. Thanks. --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  )  07:43, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Marvel Civil War
i noticed you changed 52 (comics) to 52 (comic book). do you think the same should be done for Civil War (comics)? Exvicious 02:53, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
 * No, and only because the article is more focused on the event than the actual limited series that is a part of it. --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  )  03:01, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Kudos
Just saw your recent work on Spider-Man and wanted to compliment you and say thanks for keeping a close eye on vandalism and such throughout the Comics Project, and for helping other editors keep up encyclopedic standards. You're fighting the good fight. Cheers, -- Tenebrae 19:35, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I appreciate it. --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  )  19:37, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Pittsburgh Wikimeet update
We now have 5 interested people and have moved to discussing the time & location of our first meetup. You may provide your input at Wikipedia talk:Meetup/Pittsburgh. Once we finalize something we will indicate it on the front page. Scobell302 02:58, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

"Attacks"
You do understand I've been feeling constanly attaked by you. Don't you? Howcome you think you're different. --The Judge 20:56, 9 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, I do understand you have felt attacked by me, and you are incorrect. I have never attacked you personally. I have disgreed with some of your edits, and I disagree with the way that you behave toward editors in general, not just me. Whereas you have claimed that you are being attacked by editors other than me, I'm not the only editor who has felt that you have attacked them.


 * Quit taking things so personally. Accept criticism of what you are doing, particularly when you specifically ask for it. I am surprised I did not issue the No Personal Attacks Warning earlier, but I am very serious about reporting you should you attack another editor again. You've been warned enough times even before having the template attached to your talk page.


 * Do not attack another editor again. --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  )  21:02, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

"Attacks"
You do understand I've been feeling constanly attaked by you. Don't you? Howcome you think you're different. --The Judge 20:56, 9 September 2006 (UTC) I find you incredibly rude. And I'm not the kind that take crap from anybody. If you ofend me I'm sorry but I'll tell you, and nobody offended is gong to have a nice tone. Or at least has the bad tone justified.

How am I supposed to react to "please, don't rely on your memory in the future". That's totally "jerk-like", and I wasn't the only to tell you. the problem was that we both kept pushing it. That was a complete mistake we both made, and I'm sorry about it.

Now, read yourself, I read your comments (all to everybody) in the pages I've crossed you, do you realise how "pesimistic" you are? Seriously, you tend to disrespect everybodys work with a bossy attitude. How did you find out about Appearances, I haven't even used it? Heck I haven't even finished it. What do you want me to think about that?

I can make an effort to be able to take you. But what in for me? You've got to give me something. And all I want is respect. If you feel sure my ideas are so bad, somebody else will put them down. By not doing everysingle time yoursel you'd show that it isn't only you, that there are others feeling the same way, and that you're not personally against me (wich is weird, since I think I only know you from a weak ago) And you get respect form me, I noticed you don't like people telling it to you like it is, you get that too.--The Judge 21:14, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry about the mess somebody was editing at the same time--The Judge 21:14, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, "do not attack editors again" to you too!! Seriously--The Judge 21:22, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

thanks
Thanks for the support. I've just lost patience with the... logically-challenged on Wikipedia. You are one of the good ones. CovenantD 03:02, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
 * No problem. Click the link. --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  )  03:02, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Exactly the sort of thing that convinces me Wiki process is broken... CovenantD 23:20, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Treuce
Ok, how come at the begining of the Supergirl series, she didn't recognice Linda's friends and family?? Matrix is there kind of like Sam, from Quantum Leap, in the body of some stranger. And the Linda memories were kinda there but not "hers". I almost learned to read with that book, my old man used to buy bunches of the translated comics and give them to whichever of us was there when he came from the newspapper stores. I was always aslept, so my brothers always got the Batman and Superman comics, I was stuch with supergirl or green lantern, but I started liking it. (if you wonder, at the time we were getting the Quantum leap translation re-runs, hehe)--The Judge 05:46, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The whol earth-born angel thing happens when one person is prepared to sacrifice their life for another, dying person. The two characters' souls, minds, and bodies become one, and they gain powers. Eventually, both the Kents and the Danvers come to think of the new being as their daughter. Linda and Matrix split later, and they are both fully formed people. --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  )  06:11, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Wait, in the end she told the Danvers? Howcome at the begining Linda's memories were kind of fuzzy?--The Judge 18:52, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The Danvers and the Kents become friends and accept each other as parents of their daughter. The merged being had trouble in the beginning separating and adjusting to the merged minds. --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  )  18:53, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Comics Cleanup
Chris, I'm honored. Not to make this too much of a mutual admiration society, but you've developed, in a very short space of time, into one of the most professional-quality editors here. Anything I can do to help, I'm in. --Tenebrae 19:02, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Count me in as well. I'll try my best, though I hold the clock of 'too much overtime' over my head this year ;) Still, I totally agree this is something that can and should be done. -- Ipstenu ( talk | contribs ) 14:16, 11 September 2006 (UTC)


 * If I'm not being too forward, I'd like to suggest that CovenantD and Khaosworks have been doing good work for many months as well. I know there have been some editorial disagreements, but that seems quite a while ago. --Tenebrae 17:33, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Not too forward at all. I already invited CovenantD; please do invite Khaosworks. I haven't worked directly with him, but now that you mention his name, I've seen it on good edits in the past. --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  )  17:35, 11 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I also thank you for the invitation but I really don't have time to participate formally. I have a few articles on my Watchlist and am happy to help keep those in line -- I could add some others (particularly the Milestone Comics line, which I'm currently re-reading), but that's about as far as I can go.  HalJor 17:55, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
 * No problem. Thanks for considering --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  )  19:06, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Likewise, thanks for the invitation but school has started up again and I don't think I'll have time. I will definitely keep an eye on things, though, and pitch in if I can! --HKMarks 04:34, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Any idea when the cleanup will be starting? I've noticed there hasn't been much activity to the project page or talk page for a little bit now. RobJ1981 16:10, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

AWB comic replacement
Hi, I noticed you were replacing the some comic related wikilink at quite a fast rate. If you are doing the same task please use a more helpful edit summary than "clean up, Replaced: AWB". You can type one in manually or tick the replacement box, unless it's an AWB bug? Thanks and keep up the good work. :) -- Andeh 23:08, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Matrix/Linda Danvers era
Hi, Chris! I noticed you reverted my title changes in Supergirl. I don't dispute that the specific dates are somewhat unclear, complicated as the M/LD era was. But reading the current structure, I see the heading for the two of them with only one subheading, "Supergirl (1996-2003)", probably referring to the magazine. But Matrix also had several Supergirl titled issues (1994). So that's why I had put in separate Matrix and Linda Danvers subheadings, since each subsection focuses on one or the other. Anyway, I enjoy your recent other edits in Supergirl as they nicely summarize things, enticing the interested reader to visit the linked pages for further details. All the best, Alan. AlanSKaufman 12:57, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Category:DC Animated Universe characters
Chris, can you depopulate this using AWB? I can't use the thing, wrong OS, so I don't know what can be done, but once it is depopulated I can delete it. If anyone argues, just tell them the category was created by a user who was evading a block and as such should be deleted per Banning policy. It might be helpful to state in the edit summary when you do this that you are depopulating a category created by a user evading an arb-com block, see Requests for checkuser/Case/T-man, the Wise Scarecrow. Let me know when it's empty and I'll delete it. Steve block Talk 15:17, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually do use the following edit summary: depopulating per Categories for deletion/Log/2006 September 2, that'd be great, thanks. Steve block Talk 15:32, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Taking care of it now. --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  )  15:44, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Meetup & WP:PGH
If you want to "advertise" the Pittsburgh meetup at WP:PGH and via e-Mail, you have my approval. Scobell302 19:18, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Done. --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  )  19:21, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Re:SHB stuff
No problem :) It would be great if other project members took part in those discussions. It's a pity they don't although we do ask for their opinions. —Lesfer (t/c/@) 22:32, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

DC animated universe characters
I deleted the rest of that stuff. Brian Boru is awesome 17:33, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Which stuff? Depopulating? --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  )  17:37, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

The category that user The Judge created it's now blank It's Category: DC Animated Universe characters. Brian Boru is awesome 17:41, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for doing that - I got busy and couldn't sit at the computer clicking Save 250 times - but in the future, please be sure to use an edit summary. --Chris Griswold  (  ☎  ☓  )  18:02, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Note on listing comics-related items for deletion
Hi Chris, thanks for the heads up about that message board. I didn't know it was there. I've been doing a big overhaul of the categorisation within the Science fiction film category. I don't think there's anything else comic-related that needs to go but I will let you know of anything I find. Mallanox 20:55, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Misunderstanding

 * evidence that this user has modified others' comments
 * You may want to take a look at that page. Vandalism, with regard to editing another editor's comments, refers to changing the content. I tried to fix your formatting and help you out. And then I made a comment that I would help you if you ever needed it. I'm not sure how that comes across as malicious to you. --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  )  22:54, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I do see, however, that the page I linked to is no longer used for that page. I apogize for this. In the future, try to ask questions or seek other avenues before accusing someone of vandalism. --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  )  22:55, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not going to edit your web link, but I think what you may be looking for is this --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  )  22:57, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

well, thank you very much and sorry for the malicious tone. when I reviewed the changes I was convinced you did change content as the link you "fixed" was leading to a blank page. but put yourself in my place. how do you react to this in the following circumstance: Kamikaze 23:11, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * A user would accuse you of sock puppetry, tag your page accordingly, and only after all that he would start "asking questions".
 * A user would add his comments to your talk page not caring if, during the process, he removes some of your comments thus seemingly indicating disrespect.
 * I honestly don't know what all of that is about, although I do remember wondering if you were in fact a sock puppet. We had a pretty bad problem with that sort of thing recently. You're right though: Editors need to ask when they are unsure instead of accusing. Let it drop, and it will be over, and no one will remember. Keep it going, and you'll have a miserable time with Wikipedia, and you'll probably quit editing. I know it sucks, but I'd prefer that you stick around, so try to get over it. -Chris Griswold  (  ☎  ☓  ) 23:28, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Again, I apologize again for rushing to a conclusion. I've removed the warning, feel free to as you'd like with the rest.Kamikaze 06:44, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Welcome to Esperanza!
Welcome, ChrisGriswold, to Esperanza! As you might know, all the Esperanzians share one important goal: the success of this encyclopedia. Within that, we then attempt to strengthen the community bonds, and be the "approachable" side of the project. All of our ideals are held in the Charter, the governing document of the association.

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 James E. Zavaleta T  C   E 12:04, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Features of the DC Universe
Hello. There were only 2 edits, both by User:Jc37. The first one was a redirect to List of locations of the DC Universe. The second added the speedy tag with reason "redirect with no links to it", and G7 (request of author) also applied. There's no prejudice against recreating this however, if you wish to create a new article or a redirect. Cheers. --Fang Aili talk 13:19, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: Star Wars issue articles
When the discussion over these individual articles took place, the consensus was that the individual articles be merged into story arcs. When I asked about those issues that were one-shots, the only response back was to just leave them. —Skope (talk)  20:06, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Please link me to the discussion of issues to story arcs. When the merge discussions were logged, no links were provided. --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  ) 20:16, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * it started on pages like Talk:Star Wars: Empire and Talk:Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic (comics), then when I brought up the topic on the Star Wars Wikiproject, the user who started the merge requests (CovenantD) joined the conversation on there, and we came to a consensus on the storyarc-merging idea, and he did not object when I asked about the individual articles. Granted there were only three people (myself included) involved in the discussion, but it wasn't in private.  I admit I should have linked that in the discussion logs, but I thought since CovenantD was in on it, it was okay.  —Skope  (talk)  23:10, 15 September 2006 (UTC) (oh and please respond on my talk page)
 * I lost track of it when I took a break from Wiki. CovenantD 23:52, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

The unbearable convolutedness of Xorn
I'm itching to do a revamp of the Xorn article, primarily (as I have detailed on the talk page) because the article as it stands styles itself as the current in-universe biography of the character(s). Which, setting aside the whole "real-world" emphasis of Wikipedia for a moment, frankly makes absolutely no fucking sense. Xorn as a character now stands like Hawkman's retarded bastard red-headed stepchild. From the moon. Anyway, I was thinking of detailing my plans on the Wikiproject talk page, but I thought it might be better to ask you for the particular advice I need, primarily (a)How much of a "real-world" perspective I should take, and (b)how many spoilers should be revealed in the lead section.

Here's a draft for a new lead section:


 * Xorn is a fictional character published by Marvel Comics. First appearing in New X-Men Annual 2001, Xorn was a new addition to the X-Men membership during writer Grant Morrison's revamp of the franchise.  Originally portrayed as a Chinese mutant with a "star for a brain", he was evetunally revealed to be Magneto, the X-Men's archnemesis, in disguise at the climax of Morrison's run.  After Magneto was apparently killed in the "Planet X" story only to resurface alive and well a few months later in Excalibur Vol. 2 #1, various explanations have been given both in story and by Marvel Comics as to the true nature and identity of Xorn.

Let me know what you think. WesleyDodds 20:17, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Much better. The only way to coherently discuss that character in particular is chronologically, rather than by continuity. It's also much better encyclopedia writing. I applaud this. I'm actually standing up and clapping and cheering. Xorn's a character I like, and this article can preserve the character as he is in different stories rather than trying to make sense of the continuity. --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  ) 20:21, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks. There's a couple of interviews with Morrison and some Newsarama stuff I plan to cite, but if you find any other worthwhile links please post them on my talk page or go ahead and add them to the article once I restructure it.  Also, i must note I haven't read an actual issue featuring Xorn beyond the entire New X-Men run (skimming and message boards are how I keep up on comics I don't feel like spending money on), so help with issue information after that would be appreciated.  I love reading articles and books for material I want to cite, but Chuck Austen is the limit for me.  WesleyDodds 20:28, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Dig the current state of the article. I've got to convert the links into citations and I'll fill out the New X-Men section later, but the gist of it is there.  WesleyDodds 06:28, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Much, much better. I really appreciate the work you put in. --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  ) 06:32, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: Batman Begins
Okay. What, exactly, can I do about that? ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 22:43, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * You can hold me tight while we weather this storm together. --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  ) 22:53, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Gayness to the anus. Ahem. Yeah, I knew. Didn't think much of it. The IP addresses seem fairly similar and the user seems like a decent person. Good luck with the mentor thing, if it happens that way. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 00:27, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Notability (comedy)
Hi, Chris. Thanks for your kind words on my talk page. I had a look at the proposal, and it looks like a sensible idea, based on the similar notability requirements for music. Unfortunately, I don't know much about the comedy scene, and I don't really feel qualified to comment extensively on the details of the proposal. However, I trust your judgment, and will support the proposal becoming policy when you feel it is ready. (As someone else noted on the article's talk page, you'll want to remove the first-person content by then, but I think it's OK for now, while you're still gathering ideas.)

Best, —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 16:35, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Yes, the first-person text will be gone; I think I misunderstood the direction for creating policy, actually. --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  ) 16:38, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Hulk / Maestro
Hi, Chris. As per your comment on the Hulk (comics) talk page, I've now noted a proper merge request for Maestro (comics) - sorry about that, I'm still a little new to some aspects of wikipedia. Hope I got it right...! --Mrph 20:07, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

linkspam
Thanks Chris - I think I'll spend some serious time looking at the links on the marvel articles - some pretty poor quality links IMHO. BTW I've seen your work on the comic articles (in trying to get our low-quality and unsourced matter), keep up the fight!

--Charlesknight 22:59, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

A few comments and a question
I added all three Amalgam pages I mentioned on the Comics project talk page for AFD (they are posted on the Comics project notice board as well). Feel free to comment on AFD if you want. I also added my name to Comics cleanup. Any idea what articles will be cleaned up first for the project? I can head up Amalgam cleaning of some sort. The pages certainly need work. I've started as you can see, but there is a long way to go. I know alot about Amalgam, not everything though. RobJ1981 01:24, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd like to hit one of the big articles first, to get everyone working together, like Wolverine. Give me a week or so and I can have the Amalgam comics in front of me, and I'll be more ready to help. --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  )

New Super Mario Bros.
The game really needs a criticism section. There are tons of criticisms and they usually involve the game to be really short. Some involve the lack of new elements. Frankyboy5 02:12, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

RE: Boost

 * To may knowledge, the point/assertion was that he could, not that he did. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 02:31, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Pittsburgh Area Pages
Why are you including all of these non Pittsburg Area Locations in your WikiProject? Leechburg, Gilpin, Kittanning, etc are not in the Pittsburgh Metro Area. How do you figure these are?

--Cngodles 19:18, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Da Vinci and Pittsburgh
The Renaissance mentioned in the Pittsburgh article is referring to the First Pittsburgh Renaissance, i.e. the urban renewal projects championed by Mayor Lawrence and Richard K. Mellon. There were two of these in Pittsburgh's history the aforementioned First Renaissance and the "Renaissance II" led by Mayor Caliguiri. Da Vinci has nothing to do with it. &quot;Country&quot; Bushrod Washington 20:19, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Protecting children's privacy
Hi. You contributed to the discussion at Protecting children's privacy. If you have the time and interest, I'm asking contributors to past a brief summary of their position on the proposal here, thanks. Herostratus 20:01, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Pennsylvania
There are four articles being threatened by a merge proposal. The details are listed here WikiProject_Pennsylvania. Would you mind weighing in (hopefully in support) of keeping the articles. --evrik 01:40, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Category:Comics creators from Pittsburgh
Yo, man. You going to create that category?Cause it's not there. If not I'm going to delete the category. Brian Boru is awesome 13:43, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Why would you delete it? Why not just add a sentence to the category page? --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  ) 16:55, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Hulk/Maestro merge
Hi, sorry to bother you again - I've just spotted that User:Puddhe has now completed that merge. However, the WikiProject Comics/Notice Board and Hulk talk page haven't been updated to reflect this. Just after a little advice on how to proceed - what I need to tidy up, or whether the merge should be reverted as it's been less that two weeks since the initial proposal. I'm a little more confident about this side of things now, but I wasn't expecting that to happen. Any advice? Thanks! --Mrph 19:31, 25 September 2006 (UTC)