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Okay, I'll bite. What is a CD log? What creates it? Why do you need it? What is it used for?I've been around for years, have nominated many pages for speedy delete, and have never heard of it. Hawkeye7 (talk) 02:30, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
 * If using Twinkle, you can modify your Twinkle preferences to create a user subpage log as you nominate pages for speedy deletion. I've noticed CSD logs becoming points of examination of RfA candidates, which is why I asked the question.  Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 16:03, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh okay. I've never used Twinkle. Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:34, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

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Katie Howard AFC comment
Hi Chris! Thanks for responding to my inquiry here. I had a followup question for you. I am not sure how it works, and was not sure if you would see my response. So I figured I would reach our just in case. Corporatemonster (talk) 17:10, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I am watching the AfC help desk so I would see your reply. You can always use replyto, to, u or the like to get a user's attention if you doubt they would otherwise notice. I replied on the help desk page.  Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 17:43, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

ARBCOM
Yes I am aware of this now, I apologize, I've just never really had to ask for a third opinion on here before so I wasn't sure where to go. First thing I did was Google "wikipeida admin contact" and I found this page: Requests for administrator attention. I probably should have done a bit more thorough research beforehand. Again, I do apologize for the inconvenience, I started something on the articles talk page, if it doesn't get attention within the week I'll make a request for comment as you have said. If you have any further comments on the matter, just leave something on my talk page under where you started the previous conversation. –Nahald (talk) 19:59, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Draft Supersingular Isogeny Key Exchange
Carvalho1988 (talk) 05:05, 31 May 2014 (UTC) Chris, On 21 May you posted a note on the Draft Article:  Supersingular Isogeny Key Exchange asking for others to look at the material and improve the content for the layman. Several others have made modifications as have I. The editor that originally rejected the article has also made a number of important modifications that improve the readability of the article for the layman. Do you have any suggestions? Thanks you. Carvalho1988 (talk) 05:05, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
 * No. I've accepted it. Also, per WP:SIGN, you only need to put your signature at the end of your comment not the beginning. I use replyto to address my comment and notify you. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 16:34, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

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Thank you for your participation
Chris, I would like to take this moment and thank you for taking part in my RfA that happened a while ago. Although it didn't turn out as I had planned, I certainly appreciated all the comments and suggestions given by you and other people. I will learn from all of them and will hopefully run again someday when I'm fully ready. Thank you. TheGeneralUser (talk) 13:39, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk: Articles for creation/user:GreenLips/Sandbox
regarding Bill Haney

Chris, thank you for your response. Can you please explain what gives you the impression that there is a conflict of interest? I have read the COI and don't see where I am in violation. We are strictly trying to do this for someone who truly deserves it. I see you have pursued his bio and suggested he may not be notable enough for Wiki, however, I uploaded 5 newspaper articles about Bill Haney and his many contributions to Michigan culture as well as other areas. The upload wizard accepted them, but now I can't find them and don't know where they went.

Thank you for replying and I look forward to you further assistance. Let me know if there is a way to send you the articles I uploaded for your review and/or opinion.

GreenLips (talk) 18:27, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Although it's fine to contact me on my talk page, I'm going to answer you on the AfC help desk so that the conversation is centralized there. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 18:44, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

[[Wikipedi talk: Articles for creation/user:GreenLips/Sandbox
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!! It;s so nice to find a kind hearted editor out there! Please keep in touch while I fumble around with this. Bless you! 69.136.145.172 (talk) 22:39, 3 June 2014 (UTC) Greenlips

Wikipedia talk: Articles for creation/user:GreenLips/Sandbox
Chris, I really appreciate all your help. I'll do better at sticking to the facts. Thanks, again.

GreenLips (talk) 20:57, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

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Thank you
...for your attention in approving the Paul Julian (meteorologist) article. Any issues noted, and suggestions to offer? Cheers. Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 08:13, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Please use citation templates. I already introduced Cite journal; you can read more at WP:CITE. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 15:48, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I just deleted Draft:Long finned Perth Mint Surgeon Fish and thought: how appropriate for a trout person to be tagging a fishy article. Now I see that I had something else to say to you. I think it is not too strong to say I was shocked to see you approve Paul Julian. The decline comment on a previous state says "the sources cited here are all by the subject, but we need sources about him". Surely the state you approved suffers from exactly the same fault? &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 09:48, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you for contacting me about this. I respect your opinion and I took another look at it to see if I was wrong. Fully half of the sources are independent of Julian, some added by Leprof 7272 after the last declination. Yes, I'm concerned that the author admits this is a vanity project. Regardless, I think the subject meets WP:GNG and stands better than a 50/50 chance of surviving AfD. Tag the article or nominate it for deletion if you think it's necessary.  Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 16:46, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Question
Hello, I noticed that you declined the submission of my page about "Mineral & Gem international show". I saw your comment about the references. I used exactly the same with my french page, but i know it's in french. If I want you to accept my submission, do I need to find english references ? Thank you :) Hugopottier (talk) 13:11, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
 * You misunderstand. Jds.fr isn't a reliable source because it's crowd-sourced advertisements. Non-English sources are allowed per WP:NOENG. Because the entry lacks independent, reliable sources, it fails WP:GNG. That's why I declined it.  Thanks you for letting me know about the French-language article; I've tagged that, too. To get your submission accepted you'll need to add sourcing from books and newspaper articles.  Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 16:17, 5 June 2014 (UTC)


 * I actually noticed that I used a different source on the french page. The JDS source is use to describe the information and not to promote the show. And I also will change the source on the english page. Just let me know if it's ok after that. Hugopottier (talk) 08:09, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Jds.fr is just an example. Most of the cited sources aren't reliable.  Please read WP:RS. It is incumbent on you to convince the reviewer that the subject meets criteria. If you haven't read that criteria I think you're going to have a hard time.  Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 16:48, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

heh
Hi Chris -

Lirani does have an ambassador, it just looks like he didn't sign up for her course page - User:NativeForeigner, a sitting arbitrator. Though I try to direct people towards on the ground support whenever I can, I wouldn't say I'm quite actively responsible for it, since I do so in a volunteer capacity without resourcing beyond what I put in to it on my own, and my region is literally all of California and Hawaii - not something that can practically be covered by a volunteer coordinator. I am hopeful that the WEF will have an outreach setup for California starting either next fall or next spring that does actually have someone in a position of directly ensuring every single class in California is directly and extensively supported, but that's at least a few discussions away from being something actually happening yet. Kevin Gorman (talk) 01:24, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Just confirming this. I've been fairly caught up with other things, although I have been assisting with the course. I didn't add myself to the course page for various reasons, some of which are now rather null and void. NativeForeigner Talk 01:30, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks for letting me know. I only contacted the professor since it looked like there wasn't an ambassador. I'll let you handle the class, then. I plan to accept the draft submission assuming the previous admin doesn't have any objections.
 * While I'm eager for WEF to apply resources to this problem set, I have expectations for anyone in a position of responsibility, volunteer or not. I made my comments to Lirani not to call anyone out but to assure Lirani that Wikipedia has a mechanism to address stuff like this. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 01:57, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Of course. If you want to assist, you're more than welcome to. My on wiki time will be very limited, and my experience with courses/WEF is limited. Regardless, I am assisting. NativeForeigner Talk 02:06, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Draft:Katie_Howard
Hi Chris. Previously you have used some automated function (I think) format the references properly over at Katie Howard's page. She has had some additional mentions from some fights lately and was wondering if you could do that again. I was wondering how I could get ahold of this function as well. Corporatemonster (talk) 06:24, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I used Reflinks, as the history tab indicates. Read WP:REFLINKS for instructions on how you can use it.  Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 06:36, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Draft:Khagendra_Lal_Chattopadhyay
Hi Chris,

The page is factually correct, I have listed the wikipedia page about 1955 national awards in reference, which refers 'Jadu Bhatta' film being on merit award list. Kindly confirm 'what other reliable sources are needed.' I am his grandson-in-law, we have family photographs in albums which can be uploaded. Not much coverage is there about Khagendralal on Internet, so I tried to create the entry, kindly help to understand.

Did I miss a signature?

1.23.215.191 (talk) 17:55, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * While I'm sure this article is a big deal for you, please understand that nobody here cares. Rather than be emotional, please be objective. Wikipedia is based on secondary sources so we can't use your family photos to substantiate your claims. You've provided no references at all (Imdb is not a source) and certainly no proof Chattopadhyay was ever a movie producer. Even if he had been producer on Jadu Bhatta I'm not sure if that passes WP:FILMMAKER. Please read WP:RS and WP:GNG. I've also invited you to try the Wikipedia Adventure to improve your technical editing skills. Finally, you might be interested in editing Bengali-language Wikipedia. It might be easier for your to develop your editing there before attempting to do so here.  Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 17:59, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Welcoming and DYKs
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LA Wiknic
Hi Chris. I've put a link at WP:Wiknic that LA Wiknic is "under discussion", but it would be great if you could update WP:Meetup/LA with some preliminary details, so we could move this to the active stage.--Pharos (talk) 15:58, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I started 4th Annual Los Angeles Wiknic based on last year's design. I updated the LA meetup page. I'm not familiar with how to get the event pushed to LA Wikipedians via watchlist and talk page. Please advise. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 20:34, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Help with two small things for Anbaric Transmission?
Hey Chris troutman, thanks so much for taking the draft of the Anbaric Transmission article live. I'm wondering if you might be able to help me out with two small other things related to that article. Since I have a financial conflict of interest in working on behalf of Anbaric Transmission to draft the article, I won't make these edits myself.

First, I've just uploaded the company's logo. Do you think you could add it to the infobox on the article?

Second, searching just "anbaric" here on Wikipedia currently redirects to the page for His Dark Materials, as the term is used in that book. I'm wondering what you think about setting up a disambig page, so that searches for "anbaric" would point there instead, giving readers the choice of either the His Dark Materials article or the Anbaric Transmission article. If this seems okay to you, do you think you'd be able to set up the page and change the redirect?

Cheers! ChrisPond (Talk · COI) 18:27, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅ Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 21:03, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much! ChrisPond (Talk · COI) 13:39, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Recent review-Eurachem
Thanks for taking the time to review; sorry to hear the organization doesn't make the cut at this time. I'll have another look, but looking harder at the guidelines I don't think there's any prospect of fixing that; the organization (it's not a company) is well enough known in its own area,  but you won't see a lot of genuinely independent third party coverage of analytical chemistry organizations. I'll likely park that indefinitely or request deletion. SLR Ellison (talk) 10:52, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

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Ashley Little (author)
Hi Chris troutman. You rejected my recent submission titled Ashley Little (Author) citing a lack of notability. There are many other authors that are as or less notable than Ashley Little. A quick browse led me to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathaniel_G._Moore

Is there any way to have another person look at my post?Garryanas (talk) 01:50, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * First, the fact that you can point to other articles is an invalid argument. I took a look at Nathaniel G. Moore, anyway. That author is mentioned by more than one reliable source (National Post, The Globe and Mail, and Quill & Quire, among others). I don't see any notability in Bcbookprizes.ca. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 03:00, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Chris troutman: thanks for your input. That helps me. I'm still confused though, and would like for this article to be accepted. In an earlier draft,  https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Ashley_Little_%28author%29&diff=613068565&oldid=587141254  , I included reviews from Quill & Quire, Publisher Weekly and the Kirkus Review. Since then, Ashley Littles second novel has garnered even more acclaim, and she has won two notable awards (BC Book Prizes). Should I edit in some more reviews, and make the article look more like an earlier draft? Would that help? Thanks again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Garryanas (talk • contribs) 15:15, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Draft: Blanchardstown Brass Band
Hi Chris, Thanks for your recent review of the draft article "Blanchardstown Brass Band". You mentioned that it fails the notability criteria for bands. I read through the criteria and I would think that the band meets criteria 10, as it has made several appearances on national TV in Ireland (RTÉ, TV3 & TG4) and also featured in "The Purple Taxi" movie. The bands feature on RTÉs "Capital D" documentary programme would probably also agree with criteria 1 & 12. I would also like to point out that RTÉ considered the band notable enough to do a documentary about. Can you please explain to me why you have declined it and how I can fix it? Thanks, Blanchbrassband (talk) 16:25, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I declined the article because the band's appearance in The Purple Taxi was mere seconds and they didn't seem to be the focus of attention. It would seem to fall into WP:BIO1E. Their appearance on Capital D comes closest to making them notable but #10 says "Has been a featured subject of a substantial broadcast segment" (emphasis mine). I don't think a five minute piece on the band is substantial. Other editors may disagree since it's up to interpretation. Capital D itself doesn't appear to be notable and I've raised that discussion on the applicable talk page. Not all of your remaining sources are reliable so I have not been impressed.
 * I have some second thoughts based on A Candle in the Window, Instrumentalist, the Independent, and the Nationalist. None of those sources cover the band in detail and each mention is minimal. Still, those sources might be enough for some editors. I don't have a suggestion to fix this problem beyond hoping the band gets more and better media coverage.
 * It's typically at this point that I remind enthusiastic editors that nobody cares. I'd also like to point out that you really need to change your username. Group accounts are not allowed; a username must specify one person. Editing on behalf of the band is also problematic. Every editor should be contributing for the collective good rather than for their own selfish desires. I've already reported your username and I was told that your editing will be tolerated in the draft namespace. The moment you make conflicted edits in the main namespace there's going to be a problem. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 23:08, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

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Question about page rejection
Hi Chris, A page I recently created was rejected. It is for Focus25. I've been getting into exercising and thought it would be interesting and helpful to other individuals like me. I tried to write it in a neutral tone without promotional copy. If you could provide some feedback as to what I should do to improve it, I would very much appreciate it. Thank you! alvb — Preceding undated comment added 00:36, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
 * As the header template indicates, I was the editor that declined your submission. I left very clear comments with linked guidelines. I'm not sure why you still have questions. In any case, Focus T25 isn't notable so I'd just forget about it and maybe revisit in a couple years. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 01:17, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

+acc
Hi Chris - tangential to the discussion on my talk page, I noticed that you don't have +acc. Since you do participate in active physical outreach, there is a good chance you'll eventually end up needing it, so I went ahead and gave it to you. Whether or not it ends up being necessary when helping out a class depends a lot on the network setup any given school is using - ex: half of Berkeley's network assigns a unique IP to every logged in user, but the other half doesn't, so it's pretty much a toss-up as to whether or not I hit the six account per day limit while doing stuff here - but there's little downside to having it. Besides account creation related stuff due to side effects of the rights packaged with it, you'll also be able to create editnotices outside of your own userspace now - not a very widely used thing but occasionally useful. Kind of funny to notice you didn't have it as a result of that discussion, but for people who are likely to eventually end up needing it it's usually better to have it in advance than to end up accidentally putting an outreach event on hold while you find someone to take care of account creation. Best, Kevin Gorman (talk) 22:35, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. LA has another edit-a-thon this weekend so I might be using it. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 03:10, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Rather confused person
Hi, an article-for-creation request that you declined, from Mcgama88, seems to have been made by the same person as edits from User:Mmcgary44 on Trisomy. There are no user pages created, and I'm not sure how to search for any more socks with similar names. I'm also at a loss to explain to this person what is wrong with their material, which is essentially unreadable to geneticists and even more so to the general wikipedia audience. Hoping you might have suggestions. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 15:42, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure I understand the issue. If it's a matter of notifying a user that their contributions are problematic, use the talk page. The content is too technical or simply incomprehensible, is essay-like, or qualifies as original research. I don't have much experience reporting socks but you can always start a report and perhaps a checkuser can determine if there is socking going on. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 17:08, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I doubt that there is any intent to abuse the system, so a sock-puppet investigation would be premature. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 20:23, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

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Thank you!
Hi Chris, Thank you for your spirited defense of the article on School-Based Family Counseling. I agree that it was written in a somewhat academic tone. I would have liked to have taken a shot at rewriting it, but am not sure this would be a productive path given one Wikipedia editor's very strong opposition. I would value your advice!Gerrardb (talk) 04:39, 22 June 2014 (UTC)B. Gerrard
 * Don't let a single editor determine how you edit Wikipedia; stick to written guidelines and policies and you'll be fine. Be advised that Wikipedia is not a replacement for academic writing.  An article on school-based family counseling might not ideally look like what you envision.
 * School-based family counseling was determined to be a copyright violation and deleted. I suspect there was too much text copied or at least paraphrased from the source material.  If you can avoid that you could re-create that article. Normally I would suggest you inquire about getting that content restored to a user sandbox to start over but since the article was deleted as a copyvio, that won't be possible. I don't know that, the deleting admin, would choose to help you out but you could ask.
 * Before deciding about re-creating the article, try working on some of WikiProject Psychology's "to do" list. You could also help other articles with "to do" lists. Doing these maintenance tasks would help your editing skills and give you a better idea of Wikipedia's norms. If and when you choose to go forward, feel free to ask if you'd like my help.  Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 05:15, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Fresh catch o' the day!
For this revert, restoring an erroneous (good faith) bold edit whilst citing WP:BRD and requesting unnecessary discussion, you are awarded, in the spirit of levity and collegial feedback, this trout. Kind regards. VQuakr (talk) 07:36, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
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Ambassadors of Ghana to Russia
Dear Chris, I was trying to add a category to 'Ambassadors of Ghana to Russia' The page I wish to add is not on the English site, but on the Russian site. What do I do?  Translation in English, Category:Embassy of Ghana in Russia I would be grateful for your help. Thank you.81.204.38.26 (talk) 22:54, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Since I have posted on your talk page, I am watching it and will respond there. You don't need to contact me on my talk page, as well. Please be careful when linking to categories.  You must place a colon  ahead of the word 'category' or it will put that article (like my talk page) in that category.  I fixed it myself. Finally, be careful to log-in before you edit. Certainly you would want me to know that Dorothy Elliott is leaving a message for me, not some random IP.  Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 23:07, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you Chris, I understand it is not possible to add categories from other language sites. I think it will be a good idea if that was possible as and when the page is not on the English site. Thanks again. DorothyDorothyelliott (talk) 23:20, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

CVU
Hi there.

Yay! I am considering coming back to CVU! I choose you as a trainer. Are you able to take on another student? I already have the User_talk:Akifumii/CVUA Thanks. -- Akifumii Talk 15:46, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * If I take you on as a student, how sure can I be that you'll complete the training? Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 18:59, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * One of my biggest regrets was to quit CVUA. I am positive I will complete the training this time.  Are you up for it?  -- Akifumii Talk  19:20, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Ok. This is your new CVUA page. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 21:04, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Done with the first assignment. -- Akifumii Talk 02:00, 26 June 2014 (UTC
 * Just a talk page stalker :p Akifumii, the first revert link you have given is appropriate. But if I were you, I would not have used rollback to revert it. You mentioned that it is a good faith edit. By using rollback, you give the IP the impression that 'your edit is vandalism and does not require an edit summary'. You should use Twinkle AGF button to revert, and with a revert summary. That was also their first edit as well, so it does not warrant the use of rollback. Jianhui67 T ★ C 17:46, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Friendly request.
Hello there Chris! I'm not certain if you've noticed the RfC on VPR about the use of deprecated and obsolete HTML elements used in wikitext, but I'm in the process of going through and trying to clean some of it up in templates, modules, help/project pages, and attempting to reduce future uses by helping editors update their signature to not use these obsoloete tags. If you are interest in updating your signature, I suggest replacing:

with:

which will result in a 212 character long signature with an appearance of:  Chris Troutman  ( talk )

compared to your existing 189 character long signature of: Chris Troutman  ( talk )

— Either way. Happy editing! — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 21:36, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅ Yes, I was aware of the RfC. I'm a history major and couldn't really follow the discussion. Thanks for letting me know what needed to be changed.  Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 21:58, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Talkback from Technical 13
— &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 22:31, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Gatch torture
You probably have this on your watch list, but Immurement covers this in more detail with decent sources. Dougweller (talk) 16:28, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

WikiCup 2014 June newsletter
After an extremely close race, Round 3 is over. 244 points secured a place in Round 4, which is comparable to previous years- 321 was required in 2013, while 243 points were needed in 2012. Pool C's was the round's highest scorer, mostly due to a 32 featured pictures, including both scans and photographs. Also from Pool C, finished second overall, claiming three featured articles, including the high-importance Grus (constellation). Third place was Pool B's, whose contributions included featured articles Russian battleship Poltava (1894) and Russian battleship Peresvet. Pool C saw the highest number of participants advance, with six out of eight making it to the next round.

The round saw this year's first featured portal, with taking Portal:Literature to featured status. The round also saw the first good topic points, thanks to and the 2013 Atlantic hurricane season. This means that all content types have been claimed this year. Other contributions of note this round include a featured topic on Maya Angelou's autobiographies from, a good article on the noted Czech footballer Tomáš Rosický from and a now-featured video game screenshot, freely released due to the efforts of.

The judges would like to remind participants to update submission pages promptly. This means that content can be checked, and allows those following the competition (including those participating) to keep track of scores effectively. This round has seen discussion about various aspects of the WikiCup's rules and procedures. Those interested in the competition can be assured that formal discussions about how next year's competition will work will be opened shortly, and all are welcome to voice their views then. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews. If you want to help out with the WikiCup, please do your bit to help keep down the review backlogs! Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. and 18:48, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Seeking wikiPedia mentoring in SoCal
Thanks for the revert - I completely missed that 2013 date! I'm in San Diego, looking for a few wikiPedia-savvy people to help me make sense of the learning curve... Do you have a series of assignments you recommend? Thanks! DrMel (talk) 03:11, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I see you're not exactly a new user so I'm not sure what to recommend. For Wikipedia buttonology and coding, I'd recommend the Wikipedia Adventure. It's a little juvenile but it's good. If you feel comfortable with that material, there's The Missing Manual. It explains concepts in Wikipedia. I see you've already joined a few WikiProjects and you've added yourself to the list of Wikipedians in San Diego. By working on the various WikiProject to-do lists you'll practice editing and encounter more Wikipedians. Edit-a-thons will appear on occasion and those will be helpful, too. If you plan to travel up to LA for our upcoming Wiknic we'd be glad to have you. If you start building an edit history you might consider taking the training to become a Campus Ambassador. There was a course just this past Spring at UC San Diego that  was involved with. I'm involved in a bunch of stuff so check out my user page to get an idea of who else and what else is out there.  Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 03:53, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Mahan!
You are correct! When it did nothing to help me, I deleted it. Should it still be entered? I appreciate your help, but I would appreciate it even more if you had time enough to walk me through the process as set out in the directions, step by step. Then, it may become simple for me too. In any case, thank you very much for your help. Pendright (talk) 02:44, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, all I did was add "A-Class=current" to the MILHIST template. Most talk pages have WikiProject banner templates and many of those templates have optional parameters that can be used (like the class rating). "A-Class" is one of the parameters in that template. You've already created the justification for the request. Dank added your nomination to the announcements so you should be hearing from an interested editor sometime. All you have to do now is wait. I have experience with WikiProject GA but I've never done an A-class review so I can't help you on that. Does that answer your request? Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 03:24, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, thank you kindly!   21:52, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Do you consider that helpful to a new user?
"We don't answer this sort of question here."

Think about the message that sends to a new user, please. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  05:55, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
 * The same user left a message at the AfC Help Desk to which I replied. While I could have double-tapped that response on the AfC talk as well, I chose to be curt and let the other response assist the user. Yes, most new users wouldn't be pleased with that first response. I'll try to bear that in mind in the future.  Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 06:16, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for your responsive answer. We all have to deal with new users who sometimes engage in "forum shopping" behavior. And other shit sometimes too. Every case judged on its merits. But I think that an assumption of good faith serves us well in almost all such cases. So, just a hint, or a suggestion. Cullen328   Let's discuss it  06:49, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Yun Mu Kwan Draft
I think in this case the submission has been bypassed and the draft is no longer being dealt with. Not sure how to remove drafts when this happens.Peter Rehse (talk) 17:41, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Hmmm. An end-run around AfC. I'm going to have to think about how to handle this. Thanks for letting me know. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 18:09, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
 * At first it annoyed me too and I put it up for speedy delete but considering a lot of the issues first mentioned are now cleaned up and there is no actual requirement that articles have to submitted via the draft process - I ended up providing some help. I was just wondering how to remove redundant drafts.  There does not seem to be a clear policy.Peter Rehse (talk) 18:46, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I would think redundant drafts can be deleted under WP:G13. However, the draft was declined due to a lack of reliable sources and to my mind, it never had any notability. My further concern is that the reliable sources don't substantiate the articles's claims. (It appears to be a hoax.) I'm not so sure this main namespace version is passable and I'm considering going the AfD route. I think I'll nominate the mainspace article.  If it gets deleted the author can go back to the draft. If the AfD fails, we can delete the draft.  Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 20:08, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your excellent help with my course!!
Thanks so much for fielding student questions, helping them move their article online, and being generally super helpful for the wikipedia project for my course in boundary layer meteorology at UCLA! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jfk nl80 (talk • contribs) 21:30, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Question
Hi - you declined submission on the page Allyson Stewart Allen, however all of the references are verifiable - could you advise me on how to overcome this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Museofmarketing (talk • contribs) 14:17, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I explained my reasoning on the draft; you should read that. The applicable notability criteria specifies that the subject "Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions.". Allyson Stewart Allen doesn't meet that, to my mind. You are welcome to submit your draft again and get a second opinion. You can also ask at the AfC Help Desk. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 17:22, 4 July 2014 (UTC)