User talk:Chrisjnelson/Archive 20

Just a quick rhetorical question
Did your edit summary in Template:Cincinnati Bengals roster just now gain anything by the addition of the invective "bitch"? - Vianello (talk) 21:40, 3 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes.► Chris Nelson Holla! 21:41, 3 September 2008 (UTC)


 * "Bitch please." It's a joke. I know what Chris meant.  Pats 1  T / C  00:18, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Chad
I know what you mean, I've been in that spot before.  Burner 0718  Jibba Jabba!  05:05, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Which name to use (Johnson/Ocho Cino)
In a biography, yes, it is appropriate to use their current legal/well known name at all times. However, in historical listings, it is appropriate to use the person's name at the time. In a listing of Olympic gold medal boxing winners, it is appropriate to say Cassius Clay won in 1960. but you don't say it like that in Ali's bio. Look at the templates on Kareem Abdul-Jabbar's page. This is actually much more common in women's sports (when they get married) - see Chris Evert, who spent most of the 80's known as Chris Evert-Lloyd; All of her championships when she was married is listed as such, but obviously her bio does not call her that during that time. I don't know if there is a wiki policy on this - but this is the way that it is done everywhere (media, etc). So.... it's proper to list Chad Johnson in the 2007 Pro Bowl template, as that was his name at the time.JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 15:27, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Larry Allen
I have a question about your changes. The "retired" back to "former" is understandible, after I read it again, I could agree, because usually "former" makes you think their dead, until I re-read it. lol However, in the infobox, why re-order his numbers? I placed them in cronlogical order, it only seemed like it would be the right thing to do. Also, It says "Super Bowl Champion (XXX)", he only won one, so why not leave it as "Super Bowl XXX Champion"?? It saves some space. Just thought I'd ask. Hope you like how I expanded it, and if you look at my edit summaries I provide a link to what some of my summaries mean. lol Lastly, please use the feature when/if you respone to this message so that I'll know you have responded, I'd really appreicate it. Thanks,  Cra sh  Underride  16:09, 11 September 2008 (UTC)


 * In my experience, the numbers have been in numerical order. The numbers shouldn't be meant to tell you what teams he played for, it's just a list of the numbers he wore during a career. The same goes for the way Super Bowls are listed. In the current one it is the standard and I don't think that should change between active to retired infoboxes. I also don't know what talk back is.► Chris Nelson Holla! 17:22, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree about the Super Bowls changing between infoboxs. I think if a player wins one it should be "Super Bowl XXX Champion", and then if they win more than one, change it too, "2x Super Bowl Champion (XXX, XXXIV)" and so on and so forth. That's what I mean. I just figured the numbers should be in order, just so you can see what number he had on what team, by goin' "Ok, Larry Allen wore 73 first, and he played in Dallas first, and then changed to 71 when he played in S.F." That sorta thing. is somethin' you can add to my talk page that tells me I have a response on your talk page, it doesn't interupte the conversation by jumpin' from one page to another. The template page tells about it and how it works, it's not that hard, I don't think.  Cra  sh  Underride  17:28, 11 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Well my reasoning is that the years are in parentheses because they essentially take the place of years. For everything else, we do years in parentheses, like "3x Pro Bowl selection (2002, 2003, 2004)." The Super Bowls we do the exact same way, only the number of the super bowl is more relevant than the year so we replace it. Doing "Super Bowl XX champion" is in my view no different than doing "2004 Pro Bowl selection." I think we should just be consistent throughout.► Chris Nelson Holla! 17:32, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I completely understand the whole (XXX) in parentheses if they have more than one, same with "2x Pro Bowl (2004, 2006)", but if they only have one for their career, up to that point, or the whole thing, why couldn't it be "2004 Pro Bowl" or "Super Bowl XXX Champion"? I mean it's simpler, saves some space, and it sounds better (imo). Cra sh  Underride  17:48, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

I just think it should all be the same way.► Chris Nelson Holla! 18:00, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Image credits in captions
Hi. Very nice photos you've taken.

I am not sure if this has been discussed with you in the past, but I noticed that you stipulate on your image description pages that you be credited in the image captions of articles - not just on the image description pages. Unfortunately, this seems to violate WP policy (last sentence in the section). Also, there has been moderate conflict with others in similar situations that seem to have been resolved quite easily (in particular, see Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive302). Do you think you might be able to make your image use request more compliant with WP policy? -Seidenstud (talk) 13:04, 12 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Would you be willing to remove the captions? -Seidenstud (talk) 19:42, 13 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm not gonna go through and remove them because it'd take too long, but people can if they want. I'm aware of the policy so it's fine with me.► Chris Nelson Holla! 23:57, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

User page vandalism
Someone blanked out your barnstars section and replaced them with "thanks". I took care of it for ya.  Burner 0718  Jibba Jabba!  01:40, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Discrimination
Who do you think you are banning me without any proof? I don't even know you, where does it say that Bsaleem undid your Barnstars...You should be banned.

...What?► Chris Nelson Holla! 18:23, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Haha
left other people work,you edit enough and the other users dont like it,and stop deleting idiot you feel great but you are a stupid —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cardinal7 (talk • contribs)

Question
Do you know how to propose a template for deletion?--Yankees10 01:20, 25 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I would imagine WP:Templates for deletion would help.► Chris Nelson Holla! 01:23, 25 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks--Yankees10 01:34, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

updating a template
the last time i checked it;Template:CurrentNFLKickers was about 2 months out of date. If it's going to be used; it needs to be updated currently. Please help in updating it. - -The Spooky One (talk to me) 21:18, 25 September 2008 (UTC)


 * More like two weeks.► Chris Nelson Holla! 21:53, 25 September 2008 (UTC)


 * And I only saw one name wrong.► Chris Nelson Holla! 21:56, 25 September 2008 (UTC)


 * It's been updated since the last time i looked at it, and it looks much better now; but shouldn't it list all the kickers? There are a couple of teams that have more than 1 kicker. If not, then it should probally be renamed to StartingNFLKickers..- -The Spooky One (talk to me) 21:58, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Pacman_Jones
I would like to solicit feedback concerning moving this to Adam Jones (football). It makes sense to me, but is there consensus? Please opine in the section of the article talk page. Cheers, Dlohcierekim&#39;s sock (talk) 20:36, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

My life
you have nothing to do in your life true? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rcarranza (talk • contribs) 04:02, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Tony Gonzalez
Chris, would you mind explaining to me why you moved Tony Gonzalez (American football) to Tony Gonzalez (tight end)?  RC-0722 361.0/ 1  17:59, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Because there's a wide receiver, and it didn't seem to make sense to me to have an American football disambiguation on one page and a wide receiver one on another page, since wide receiver is part of American football.► Chris Nelson Holla! 19:41, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * There is a flaw in that thinking. The article about the Chiefs tight end's name is Tony Gonzalez; on the opposite side of the equation, the wide outs article name is Anthony Gonzalez. Because the articles are named differently, all one would have to is to place   on both of the pages, and your problem is solved. For an example, see Adrian L. Peterson and Adrian N. Peterson.  RC-0722  361.0/ 1  20:19, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm not referring to Anthony Gonzalez. I'm referring to former Boston College wideout Tony Gonzalez (wide receiver), who signed with the Falcons as an undrafted free agent.► Chris Nelson Holla! 20:25, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, but let me ask you this, is he really notable enough to have an article? BTW, sorry 'bout slow reply time, busy doing real life stuff.  RC-0722 361.0/ 1  19:16, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Chris Horton
Thanks for your additions and fixes on Chris Horton. I am wondering if you have some definitive authority/citation to settle the question of his birthplace. As I noted on his talk page, there is some apparent discrepancy about this. An editor before me had changed his birthplace to Los Angeles and had deleted all the references to Horton as a New Orleanian; I restored the New Orleans references and provided a source that he attended De La Salle High School. But as to his actual birthplace I found the sources in conflict. Some say he was born in New Orleans and I do suspect that is true, but here are two sources that say he was born in Los Angeles.

http://uclabruins.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/horton_chris00.html (see under "Personal")

http://www.nfl.com/players/chrishorton/profile?id=HOR552347

I suspect that these are in error and I am hopeful you know of a definitive authority that settles this. Thanks.--Arxiloxos (talk) 01:06, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry to say I do not know for sure. The problem is, a lot of sites, (college sites, NFL sites) end up adopting the high school location for the birth place. This can make it hard to get a true answer unless you find a college bio that says "born on [day] in [place]." For what it's worth, NFL.com is usually wrong and usually has the high school location. Though I'm not sure what to think since LA wasn't where he played high school.


 * I've added Horton on facebook so if/when he accepts my friend request, I'll look on there and see if it's in his profile. If not, I could ask him.► Chris Nelson Holla! 01:20, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Problem solved, he said L.A.► Chris Nelson Holla! 01:57, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Um, is facebook really a reliable source for things like this?  RC-0722 361.0/ 1  00:27, 1 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Considering he literally told me himself, I'd say so.► Chris Nelson Holla! 00:29, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * But what if he's lying? What if your lying (not accusing you of lying, this is just a what if situation)? We don't know who you have for facebook friends; and for that matter you don't know if he's a poser! So, is facebook still a reliable source?  RC-0722 361.0/ 1  00:37, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Well first of all, he is not the only source on this. NFL.com and other sources say L.A. so it is certainly verifiable. There was just some debate as to whether to whether it was L.A. or New Orleans, and I had him confirm it.

Secondly, his facebook profile proves he is not a poser. There is no question it's him, and anyone can add him if they want.► Chris Nelson Holla! 00:42, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, but why didn't you just cite NFL.com? Why risk being fed false info from what you assume to be a reliable source?  RC-0722 361.0/ 1  00:54, 1 October 2008 (UTC)


 * We already knew what NFL.com said. The problem is there were sources for New Orleans too, so I was attempting to confirm it from him. I did, and I'm not "assuming" it's a reliable source. I know it is.► Chris Nelson Holla! 00:59, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, it is apparent I will have to make my point via example:
 * I am a Tony Gonzalez fan (I'm sure you know which one I'm talking about), and suppose I am trying to find out how many yards he needs to break Shannon Sharpe's record. Now, lets suppose that NFL.com and other sources say that he needs 3 yards, but, lets suppose just for the sake of supposing that I find other reliable sources that say he needs 2 yards to break the all time receiving yards by tight ends record. Now me, being the investigative guy that I am, decide to e-mail Tony G personally and get the truth right from the TE's mouth. Tony e-mails me back a few days later confirming that it was, in fact, three yards. Can I cite this e-mail? No. Why? Per WP:V. It says (and I quote), "Material challenged or likely to be challenged, and all quotations, must be attributed to a reliable, published source." Note the word "published" Now, I decided to go ahead and find the definition of published and (from Answers.com) it says, "To prepare and issue (printed material) for public distribution or sale." Now, let me ask you this: how does facebook classify as a reliable source?  RC-0722 361.0/ 1  03:53, 1 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Well first of all, that comparison is insanely weak. Can you honestly say an NFL player is equally as likely to know all his statistics and another player's as he is his own birth place? That is ridiculous. Horton is a 100% reliable source of his birth place, while an NFL player would not be the most reliable source for his statistics. Here's a quick quiz for you:


 * Where were you born?
 * Please list all the grades you've received on every school assignment you've ever had.


 * How's that going? Having a little trouble with #2? Then I guess, by your logic. I can't trust that you know where you were born either.


 * Secondly, and most importantly, I am not using Horton's word as the source of the edit. I am using him to throw in his two cents between two conflicting by verifiable edits. It is verifiable from some sources that Horton was born in New Orleans. It is equally verifiable from other sources that Horton was born in Los Angeles. Since we have two conflicting sources, I went to Horton as the tie-breaker. Do you think we should say "Chris Horton was possibly born in Los Angels or New Orleans" or should we say "Chris Horton was born in Los Angeles" accompanied by a verifiable source and knowing that Horton himself confirmed it? If you choose the former, then you're just being stupid.


 * Quite frankly, I don't understand why you're pursuing this when it is both verifiable from the man himself in addition to being verifiable from a reliable source (NFL.com). You clearly don't intend to undo my edit (and I wouldn't allow it to stand anyway if you did), so what are we doing here? I am not wasting any more of my time discussing an accurate and verifiable edit, and I suggest you do the same. Do not post here again, as any further messages from you will be deleted.► Chris Nelson Holla! 04:17, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Najeh Davenport
You got a source on that? That would be a good fantasy steal.  Grsz  talk  18:59, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I saw it on Pro Football Talk, but I'm sure you can find more sources by googling it.► Chris Nelson Holla! 19:18, 30 September 2008 (UTC)