User talk:Chrisjnelson/Archive 31

Eagles roster navbox
From the Eagles' Wikipedia page:

However, both the logo and uniforms were radically altered in 1996. The primary Kelly green color was changed to a darker shade, officially described as "midnight green"; silver was practically abandoned, as uniform pants moved to either white or the aforementioned midnight green; and the traditional helmet wings were changed to a primarily white color, with silver and black accents. The team's logo combination—the stylized eagle and club name lettering—also changed in 1996, with the eagle itself limited to a white (bald eagle) head, drawn in a less realistic, more cartoon-based style, and the lettering changing from calligraphic to block letters.

Considering that the Eagles have an all green jersey and an all black jersey and silver is only an accent color, black, not silver should take precedence in their navbox. Commandr Cody (talk) 01:14, 6 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Disagree, and I think you'll find most will too. The black jerseys are alternates and are never found with a heavy dose of green. That's why your color scheme looked so bad.► Chris Nelson Holla! 01:16, 6 October 2009 (UTC)


 * The silver works better, since it is a alternate just like black.-- Giants 27 ( c  |  s ) 01:24, 6 October 2009 (UTC)


 * There's a reason you don't see the Eagles wear green jerseys and black pants - they look like crap together.► Chris Nelson Holla! 01:46, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Leave Me Alone!
I've already been through this with someone else. Yes, I NOT the best at writing summaries. It just seems like everyone after me when I write these articles. What is wrong with telling people how the scores came to be? It's like my articles gives everyone the middle finger just for existing!

--Alakazam


 * Chrisjnelson, are you still having issues with Alakazam? Because I am. He keeps writing game summaries for several 2009 NFL teams which are subpar. They lack an encyclopedic tone, contain slang, and have duplicate wikilinks. On top of that, most of his summaries contain the exact same idiomatic phrases from other summaries. I don't mind if you do or not, but I've started yet another section on his talk page about his lack of respect for writing guidelines, if you want to chime in.
 * 63.124.111.130 (talk) 19:41, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

File permission problem with File:Geoff Pope.jpg
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 * Firstly, sorry for templateing but I assumed you wasn't aware of the above since none of you images have evidence of permission. Another thing that could be a problem here is that is's not enough that "[person] has given me permission to upload to Wikipedia". The copyright holder needs to explicitly agree to license the image under one of our acceptable free-licenses, not just agree to it being uploaded here. Cheers, -- aktsu (t / c) 01:10, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, I've not tagged the other images yet as I figured it be best to give you some time to respond first. -- aktsu (t / c) 01:12, 9 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't really know how to provide evidence, they were verbal permissions or facebook chats, of which I don't have transcripts.► Chris Nelson Holla! 01:50, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I've asked Moonriddengirl to chime in to make sure, but to my understanding we need a statement from the copyright holder or a notice on the website where the images appear or similar to be able to use them. Sorry :/ -- aktsu (t / c) 02:34, 9 October 2009 (UTC)


 * This is correct. I'm afraid that verbal permission or facebook chats directed to you are not sufficient. We need a legally usable licensing statement from the copyright holder either at the source of original publication or an e-mail from a clearly associated address to the Wikimedia Foundation. Steps for requesting these, including a link to a boilerplate release form, can be found at Permission. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 19:13, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Tagging
Just to let you know, I've tagged the images that I've found that are a concern. If you can't get verification before the usual time passes, please don't worry about it too much. The images are likely to be deleted, but will be restored when the verification process completes. That said, I'm a bit concerned about File:Travis Williams.jpg. Unless Travis Williams was using a tripod, he seems unlikely to be the photographer, and the copyright ownership is almost always with the photographer, not the subject. This is true of a number of images below.

For your convenience, images tagged as needing verification of permission include:
 * File:Travis Williams.jpg
 * File:Onterio McCalebb.jpg
 * File:Tristan Davis.jpg
 * File:Anthony Toribio.jpg
 * File:Babatunde Oshinowo.jpg
 * File:Brandon London.jpg
 * File:Wale Dada.jpg
 * File:Brice Butler.jpg
 * File:Keith Saunders.jpg
 * File:Scorpio Babers.jpg
 * File:Pedro Sosa.jpg
 * File:Zac Diles.jpg
 * File:TJ Rushing.jpg

I'm looking back a bit further and will add more when I've completed. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 19:27, 9 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree with the decision to tag because ignoring WP:AGF because of copyright concerns is the correct move IMO. And Chris, why can't you just have them e-mail OTRS. If I have it correct, the e-mail is: info-en@wikimedia.org -- Giants 27 ( c  |  s ) 19:30, 9 October 2009 (UTC)


 * There are just a couple of more.
 * File:Mike Byrne.jpg
 * File:Dan Carpenter.jpg
 * File:Vonnie Holliday.jpg
 * File:Jalen Parmele.jpg
 * File:Allen Ervin.jpg
 * File:Chris Horton.jpg


 * But I do want to add that it's not so much about ignoring AGF. It's just the procedure. I'm a member of the team that answers those letters, and I would have to go through the process, too, if permission was given to me. :) But while the e-mail address is above is correct for many contact situation, contact for permissions is permissions-en@wikimedia.org. You should read over WP:Permission still, though, because if the permission is not properly worded, it still won't be accepted, and it can be a total pain going back and forth until the wording is right. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 19:36, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Akili Smith
Do you have a source for his retirement or are you just assuming since he hasn't played in two years and probably never will again?-- Giants 27 ( c  |  s ) 12:59, 10 October 2009 (UTC)


 * He hasnt played in two years, hes 34, and he sucks, so its highly unlikely he will ever play again.--Yankees10 16:15, 10 October 2009 (UTC)


 * That's not a source, I feel the same way but it doesn't mean he's retired.-- Giants 27 ( c  |  s ) 16:16, 10 October 2009 (UTC)


 * The article also says he's coaching.► Chris Nelson Holla! 16:21, 10 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Haha, I actually never paid attention to that.-- Giants 27 ( c  |  s ) 17:08, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Patrick Cobbs
So what do you think of Cobbs being out for the year with a torn ACL? Big blow to the all mighty Dolphins or will Lex Hilliard follow through? Stealthninja545 (talk) 05:46, 15 October 2009 (UTC)Stealthninja545


 * I don't think it's a big blow at all. He's likable because he's versatile and a hard worker, but he's not a huge contributor on offense. He's carried the ball six times and caught three passes so far this year. The offense runs without him. The real loss is on special teams, but that unit's never really been good anyway.► Chris Nelson Holla! 13:32, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Ryan Baker's number is number 90 not 79.
Chris,

Ryan Baker wears #90 during practice, and indeed this is his number. I confirmed with Ryan himself that this is his current number.

Stephen Baker MrSCBaker —Preceding unsigned comment added by MrSCBaker (talk • contribs) 20:13, 16 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, but we don't know that. Seems like you might be a family member. We need some sort of source to make your allegation true. So tell us one and if it is true, then you can change his number.  Osi  tadinma  05:57, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Ryan Durand
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Jairus Byrd
Hi, I'm here to ask you if you can help me improve Jairus Byrd's wiki. I know he's from a rival of the Dolphins but I think is important due to the impact he is making in the league and more important, in the AFC East. --Octa62 (talk) 17:04, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Re:
Ouch. Can I have a real life that doesn't require me to revert, drop everything and search for a transaction?-- Giants 27  ( Contribs  |  WP:CFL ) 23:33, 7 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Then don't revert if you aren't going to check something like that. We're not talking blatant vandalism here. Do you really and edit that has someone moving a DT to IR and moving another DT up from the practice squad doesn't have a chance of being accurate? Not to mention, it's been online for hours now. Either check it online or don't revert it, simple as that.► Chris Nelson Holla! 23:36, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Dolphins Secondary and Ted Ginn and Ronnie Brown
How much of a problem is the Dolphins secondary in!!! You lose your best CB in Will Allen and now you have to trust two ROOKIE Cornerbacks. The one Ill like to trust is Sean Smith because of his height but it looks like Vontae is starting to play really good. I loved that pick versus the Patriots.

Also, you think the Dolphins should try and select Dez Bryant in next years draft? Because Ginn is not going to cut it. I cant believe they had Dwayne Bowe on the board in 2007 but of course they dont choose him. Man Im one frustrated Dolphin fan but Ill always love them.

I also have a concern about Ronnie Brown's ankle injury he suffered versus the Bucs. Looks like he wont be ready for Carolina on Thursday. Thats a big blow for my fantasy team. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stealthninja545 (talk • contribs) 05:23, 16 November 2009 (UTC)


 * It hurts losing Allen because he's very good, but I also feel the season is pretty much lost and I like both Smith and Davis as prospects, so I'm excited to see their progression even if they'll have their struggles initially.


 * It wouldn't surprise me to see a receiver high, but Parcells doesn't typically do that. I'd personally like Alabama ILB Rolando McClain if he comes out early.


 * Yeah hopefully Brown's injury isn't serious, but I doubt he'll play against Carolina with the game so soon after the last one.► Chris Nelson Holla! 16:57, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Vulgarity
What is with this? Are you just a racist little bitch? - Maybe that was a little harsh, but you have done this on a constent basis. I don't even expect this from you.  Osi  tadinma  19:20, 19 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I have a black best friend, black girlfriend, and black cousins. No, I'm not a racist. I just say nigga sometimes in a friendly manner.► Chris Nelson Holla! 09:35, 20 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, but your white, and to me when a white person says the N word it sounds racist, wether it was sarcastic or not; it's like a black person calling a white person cracker or opposite a porch monkey, and that type of behavior is unexcusable on WP.  Osi  tadinma  14:42, 20 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Look, I'm sorry you're not cool enough with the black community to say 'nigga' freely, but that's just how it is. Maybe if you're really nice to them they'll let you in the club one day. Teach you the handshakes and dance moves and everything. But until then, try not to be so bitter.► Chris Nelson Holla! 19:03, 20 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, okay, good remake Chris like you always do.  Osi  tadinma  19:33, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

What a baby.► Chris Nelson Holla! 20:40, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * No. That edit summary was way out of order. I noticed your comments below too (related to the Pat Murray AfD). You're really pushing it now. Aditya Ex Machina  15:34, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

The Wildcat is dead?
The last thing I wanted. For Ronnie Brown to get hurt and be out the rest of the year but also thats what I said when Pennington went down. This is also good for the kids like Hilliard and Pat White to show what they got to show for. Hell, on his 1st career carry in the NFL, Hilliard made a 3rd and 16 conversion. I was also very, VERY impressed on how Ricky played today. He didnt play like he did in his prime in like 03-04 but, Wow he did great! Back to the topic. Is the Wildcat dead? I think its alive but on life support with out Ronnie in the mix.Stealthninja545 (talk) 08:48, 20 November 2009 (UTC)Stealthninja545


 * The wildcat isn't dead, but there's just no one to run it as efficiently as Brown could. Ricky doesn't look good running out of it.► Chris Nelson Holla! 09:36, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Pat Murray
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Is this the type of statement consistent with collegial editing?  Grsz 11  02:47, 27 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, you're wasting everyone's time because you don't know what you're talking about. I have a problem with that and I don't respect it.► Chris Nelson Holla! 02:57, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
 * It doesn't waste anybody's time, nobody is obligated to respond. He's a non-notable player who hasn't played in a game and fails WP:ATHLETE. Sure, it's open to interpretation as to whether simply sitting on the bench in sweatpants makes one "notable", but there is nothing I did in reading WP:ATHLETE that is somehow inaccurate.  Grsz 11  03:02, 27 November 2009 (UTC)


 * WP:ATHLETE is not a policy. Anyone with a brain knows an active roster NFL player is notable enough for inclusion here.► Chris Nelson Holla! 03:05, 27 November 2009 (UTC)


 * And there's the root of the problem. Practice squad guys are not notable IMO, but guys on active rosters are. WP:ATH is a guideline, i.e. you can follow it but you should really use WP:COMMONSENSE for individual articles.-- Giants 27  ( Contribs  |  WP:CFL ) 03:10, 27 November 2009 (UTC)


 * You just explained why Murray is notable...► Chris Nelson Holla! 03:10, 27 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Was that directed at me?-- Giants 27  ( Contribs  |  WP:CFL ) 03:12, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

My bad, didn't look at who said it haha!► Chris Nelson Holla! 03:14, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Do we really need a new AfD?  Grsz 11  04:40, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
 * CSD G4 says the article is the same, which it isn't because if you look at the previous version of deletion it had barely any refs. Since then I've added 3 or so and college career section.-- Giants 27  ( Contribs  |  WP:CFL ) 13:41, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

UFL
I've added a link to ufl-football.com for use in the NFLactive infobox, I've also attempted to add UFL stats to the infobox but it's not showing up when used with the NFL stats .-- Giants 27  ( Contribs  |  WP:CFL ) 16:45, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Cullen Harper
An article that you have been involved in editing, Cullen Harper, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/. Thank you.Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message.  Eagles   24/7   (C)  20:24, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Draft Navboxes
Hey Chris, I see you created all of the Dolphins Draft Picks navbox templates. Why is it that you stopped at 1983?  Eagles   24/7   (C)  21:35, 28 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Can't remember. Most likely laziness.► Chris Nelson Holla! 21:43, 28 November 2009 (UTC)


 * But the Cowboys ones and Colts ones stop at '83, and the Bears ones stop at '82. Or were they just copying you?  Eagles   24/7   (C)  21:47, 28 November 2009 (UTC)


 * No clue.► Chris Nelson Holla! 22:03, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Cant believe it. The Bills beat us.
Tell me how frustrated you are on how the Dolphins played. I just cant believe how they just let Buffalo (of all teams) just run all over them in the 2nd half. Hmm...this sounds familiar. Week 7 all over again??Stealthninja545 (talk) 03:30, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Thoughts
Category:National Football League running backs, Category:National Football League wide receivers. I don't like them, nevermind the fact that they're only populated by a few articles.  Pats 1  T / C  23:35, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree, there's no need for the categories to exist considering that Category:American football running backs is more neutral.-- Giants 27  ( Contribs  |  WP:CFL ) 23:37, 4 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't see the point of them.► Chris Nelson Holla! 18:34, 5 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Good...so can we get rid of them now?  Pats 1  T / C  04:05, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Ive been editing like crazy and Great Win by Miami
Beautiful Win today. Man, Henne deserves that game ball. Also, Ive been editing all recently promoted/demoted, cut, signed and injured players.Stealthninja545 (talk) 21:52, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Richie Incognito
think we edit conflicted once or twice there, oops. Regardless - think it's right now. Thanks for adding in stats :) StarM 21:14, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Langford's birthplace
I haven't been able to confirm that Tanner is his birthplace. What website confirms this?  Eagles   24/7  (C)  03:30, 27 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Some website list it as a birth place. Does that necessarily mean it's his birth place? No, not really, because a lot of websites take "hometowns" and make them birth places and the facts get lost along the way, but it's verifiable and it's better than nothing.► Chris Nelson Holla! 03:32, 27 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Ok, I guess it's safe to assume it though, because he went to high school there and the hometown/birthplace is always consistent.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  03:34, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Color templates
Why did you revert my changes on those Alternative Color Templates for NFL teams? I made those to actually have alternative colors for those teams, because right now, the actual and the alternative colors are the same for a number of teams. --bender235 (talk) 20:24, 27 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Some of them just don't look good.► Chris Nelson Holla! 21:57, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period. Additionally, users who perform several reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. When in dispute with another editor you should first try to discuss controversial changes to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. Should that prove unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. Please stop the disruption, otherwise you may be blocked from editing. --bender235 (talk) 20:35, 28 December 2009 (UTC)


 * WP:DTR.-- Giants 27  ( Contribs  |  WP:CFL ) 20:38, 28 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Stop fucking things up and we can move on.► Chris Nelson Holla! 22:26, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Does this solve the matter? If not, I encourage you to develop a consensus at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Football League before reverting further. Yes, I recognize that you were restoring the "last good version", but it would still be nice if you would edit a little more collaboratively and avoid any edits which might be construed as an attempt to drive off other editors or imply article ownership. - 2/0 (cont.) 05:02, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Just in case you didn't notice: you can "turn on/off" the use of the alternate color templates in the player infoboxes with this Template:NFLusealtColor. --bender235 (talk) 02:33, 30 December 2009 (UTC)


 * But some teams look good with the alternates (Bills, Dolphins, Patriots, etc.). The Saints looks weird with Black on gold and then gold on white. It's not very consistent.► Chris Nelson Holla! 03:13, 30 December 2009 (UTC)