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Non-free files in your user space
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Problems with upload of File:Preston Pals - Preston Flag Market.jpg
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License tagging for File:Preston Pals Plaque.jpg
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 * The image you have uploaded is pathetically low resolution. You did not even manage to tell us where the plaque is but I gather, it is on Preston station (Platforms 3 & 4?). Geograph currently has three plaques but not the Pals one. Frustrating: if I had known, I could have taken it when I took this photo. But I will try and remember to take a decent photograph next time I am up there. &mdash; RHaworth 13:36, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Roger The plaque is not on the platform yet, the image is the creator’s impression of what it will look like, the plaque positioning will be finalized with the council and then be unveiled by Royalty this year. Hope you can make it with your camera. Thanks Mark

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Orphaned non-free image File:Loyal north lancashire.jpg
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 * Please note that "for non-commercial use only", "non-derivative use", "for Wikipedia use only" and "used with permission" tags alone are not permitted, although you may accompany a fair use tag below it with, and/or . I will add a tag, although the image still needs to be used properly in an article.  mechamind  9  0  20:24, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Image licences
I saw your message at File talk:Preston Pals - Preston Flag Market.jpg. Is image tagging really too difficult? Is writing  or   as appropriate so hard? But never mind that. You did not even attempt to give a proper description in plain text. Pull your finger out and tell us: above all when was the photo taken? Where - is correct? Who are these men - you don't just put it in the image name. Where did you get the image from? It is no point in asking for help until you have given us that information. I have added a tag which should give you 7 days to do things properly. Also, if you can establish that these are proper PD images, then they should be uploaded to the Commons not here. &mdash; RHaworth 11:55, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Pals article
I have moved User:ChristineBea to User:ChristineBea/Preston Pals. You are likely to confuse yourself if you keep two drafts of the article. Your user page is meant for you to talk about yourself. As to the draft, saying "used by permission of Preston City Council" is insufficient. You must obtain explicit permission as explained in requesting copyright permission and associated pages. the article needs cleanup for unencyclopedic langauge but otherwise, please publish asap. &mdash; RHaworth 12:22, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

What content, where? Have you tried looking at your contributions? Link at top right. Apart from two images, nothing has been deleted. &mdash; RHaworth 13:49, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
 * When I log in now I cannot see my content. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChristineBea (talk • contribs)

I am not currently planning any more moves. And it is a page or article - en.wikipedia is the site. But have you actually looked at your contributions history? Have you noticed that it is full of links? You don't need to key anything to get to your work - just follow links! Did you actually read my advice at above? Are you going to make any attempt to provide a proper description for File talk:Preston Pals - Preston Flag Market.jpg? Did you actually read the text of PD-old? How can you apply that tag to an image taken in 1914? What is your relationship to user:User:Simon.mather? &mdash; RHaworth 14:19, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
 * when i log in as ChristineBea, the site is not there just a message to say its been moved, i can go to the site by typing an extra /preston_pals on the end of the URL, the message also says its been moved to ChristineBea/sandbox but when you click on that it also says thats been moved to ChristineBea/preston_pals...... does this mean every time i log in i need to go searching for the content? Thanks, Mark. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChristineBea (talk • contribs)

No it did not. File:Preston Pals - Plaque.jpg had a toally blank description - ask any other admin if you don't believe me. Yes, you need written confirmation. And yes, I fully agree Wikipedia is a big learning curve - but it's worth it in the end if you have good stuff to contribute. &mdash; RHaworth 14:22, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The image Preston Pals - Plaque has now been deleted!! that image had the Authors full name and permission. Are you saying from your last post that i need writen conformation from all images? if so thats fine, i will get it all together, but there seems to be pages and pages of information on the subject but no real answers. May be it just a big learning curve if you have not published before. Thanks, Mark

More Pals
I believe you, Simon is my Boss, he has been tasked with creating the page, and passed it on to me, I will go back and read all your links. We are producing the page for the Preston Pals committee in partnership with Preston Council. We have rescanned the images and need to have them on the page for a member of the council to view and approve. Would it be possible to have them on the page (with the correct tags) for a period of time, say one week so the Council can view them and pass them? Thanks, Mark

I have just spoken with Simon, he has discussed the permission with the Council and has received a letter confirming we can use the images (with the correct tags of course). How can we get this to you, email? or we could put it on a URL for you to down load.
 * Why do the images have to be in the page for the council to approve? Why cannot they be "put on a URL" as you describe it? Also please remember that decisions on Wikipedia content rest with Wikipedia editors not with Preston Council! Having said that, providing you write a decent description on File:Preston Pals - Preston Railway Station.jpg in the same way that you did for File:Preston Pals - Preston Flag Market.jpg, then the images will probably be safe for the time being. The letter must state the exact image names and must explain how the Council holds the copyright at all. The letter should be put on a URL and you should link to it from the image descriptions here. Please learn to sign talk page comments with ~ . &mdash; RHaworth 16:53, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
 * "If you have not published before" - that may apply to you personally but am I right that you work for a company with an "history within the printing industry which dates back over 150 years"? &mdash; RHaworth 17:05, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi Roger I think i am getting the hang of it now thanks, I will do as you request and link the letter in tomorrow, i believe its on it way to me now. I understand the editors have the final say, I dont think the Council will be concerned im just following instructions. I have added information to the following: Preston Pals - Preston Flag Market Preston Station site of Preston Pal Memorial The Pals outside Preston railway station As for the planned plaque i will contact John Shaw, Sculptor and engraver who will be commissioned to produce the memorial and get the copyright information. Thanks ps. im not sure how to sign off, i will look into that tomorrow

File permission problem with File:Preston Pals Plaque.jpg
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Sigs, etc.
Yes you are correct I didn't mean logging off, sorry, signing off, and you are also correct about the company, although we don’t publish work in the traditional manner anymore, it’s all databases and content management systems we deal with. I look after all the servers usually so I’m not really from a publishing background. We have many servers on canary wharf we manage remotely. Have you edited the Preston Pals area? I noticed there is some text hidden. That’s fine if you have that section needs looking at, I’m not sure why it’s there, I will find out. Also there is a header at the top of the page that keeps being taken out, maybe it’s not allowed? Thanks Mark ChristineBea/Preston Pals (talk) 10:03, 2 March 2011 (UTC) [copied from File talk:Preston Pals Plaque.jpg]
 * Despite my advice, I believe you did not actually create the above signature by hitting ~ (tilde) four times - why is it so difficult? "Have you edited &hellip;"? Don't ask - learn to read an edit history! How many other Wikipedia articles contain a welcome banner? Whilst I am confident that the Pals article will survive in (article) space, it is likely to be very heavily edited in tone and content - eg. we already have an article about the Battle of the Somme so details of that can be reduced to the Pals involvement. If you are trying to create a Pals website, this is not the place. I suggest that as well as creating an article for Wikipedia, you consider an alternative host for an extended version - Wikia would be good - you can port your wiki markup straight over and have all the welcome banners you want! &mdash; RHaworth 22:04, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Roger I really don’t know what I have said to upset up but is seems you seem to take offence to anything I say. I followed your instructions to create the sign off, I hit the tilde four times and there it was, so it wasn’t difficult once I knew how. I will take on board what you said about the edit history as I said before it’s a learning curve, now I know. I got the idea of the banner from the Wikipedia - Today's featured article, I didn’t realise you were not supposed to them. I read the Wikipedia Create Your First Article, but there was no mention of not creating banners, now I know. If the article is heavily edited that’s fine. This is a project that we are all trying to get completed (free of charge) for the good of the PAL's society. I would request your guidance in any matters. The Preston Pals already have a web site (All done and hosted free of charge). Thank you Mark 77.96.138.36 (talk) 09:30, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * You have not upset me at all! Disappointed me is a better phrase. I find it sad that you are not using the wealth of tools that MediaWiki provides - such as edit histories or creating a neat link to the Preston Pals website. You have after all been editing for nearly a year. As to the small matter of signatures: if you actually hit tilde four times, please explain how /Preston Pals got added to the signature in this edit. OK, you have now learned to sign properly but you forgot to log in! &mdash; RHaworth 11:33, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi Roger Thanks for the feedback, this project was handed to me last week so I really am a newbie. As to how the /Preston/Pals was added I have no idea, i just did as you requested. Anyhow I hope we can move on, I now know how to check the history, what not to put on and how to sign off, I have sent all the instructions to the relevant people to acquire and the copyright permissions, I have asked them to email your OTRS. Please feel free to take out any material you think is covered in other articles. Where would you suggest I put in the link to the web site? I don’t think I will be doing much more until all the copyright issues are sorted out, I would like to put on the badge and maybe one more picture. Thanks Mark ChristineBea/Preston Pals (talk) 13:16, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I see the /Preston Pals again! Have you set up a password in your preferences? If so change it! Your signature is supposed to link to valid pages - so put something in user:ChristineBea. (You could explain why you call yourself ChristineBea when your name is apparently Mark. But I must stress that is entirely optional - user pseudonyms are a well established Wikipedia tradition.) You already have a link from User:ChristineBea/Preston Pals to prestonpals.org/. What other link are you talking about? Unfortunately File:Loyal Regiment Badge.jpg is a rather pale alternative to File:Loyal north lancashire.jpg. So reduce File:Loyal north lancashire.jpg to no more than 240 px wide and adapt the image description from File:Loyal Regiment Badge.jpg, noting that even that description is currently inadequate.
 * On a separate tack, I am highly allergic to SHOUTING. Please forward to the planners of the plaque, my very strong recommendation that it should be written with normal lower case lettering. This memorial would have looked infinitely better in my view if the name of John Haworth had been written as John Haworth and all his comrades likewise. (In fact I might have put LUX AETERNA &hellip; in capitals on the grounds that the Romans never invented lower case!) As you may may have inferred, I have roots in the north - I was a bus conductor for Ribble Motor Services for a short while. &mdash; RHaworth 20:59, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Sig fixed
Here I am, there was a /Preston Pals on the end of the name ChristineBea, I have removed it. The original page was set up by one of my colleges Christine, we thought to save confusion to keep the user name the same (nobody really knew how to use Wikipedia) However, I am under your guidance now. I have forwarded your suggestion to the committee about the plaque. It’s a small world, I used to drink in the North Star pub with a few bus drivers, David Chapman, Frank Bretherton and Mickey Cant remember his surname he was an Elvis impersonator. Thanks Mark ChristineBea (talk) 09:21, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Signature fixed. This time your mistake was to post it to ChristineBea instead of here. Please update list of Pals battalions. &mdash; RHaworth 02:52, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Live
No action in more than a week so I have moved it to Preston Pals. &mdash; RHaworth 17:08, 10 March 2011 (UTC)