User talk:Christophermluna

Hi Luna, Welcome to Wikipedia! It's good to see some new energy here; especially, I see from your User page that you have a background in computer programming, so you should find wml pretty much trivial. I do have Poetry of Mao Zedong on my watch list, which automatically includes the article's talk page. I have been involved in Wikipedia for a while, as a member of WikiProject China and WikiProject Poetry, mostly indulging myself with an interest in Classical Chinese poetry. During this time my main interest has not been Wikietiquette, or violations thereof, although I have noticed that ideas about it seem to vary (sometimes fiercely) from person to person or in certain article spaces. It's a mixed bag, with certain areas having quite different conventions (for example, just from my recent article work, handling transliterations into English in articles based on poetry depending upon whether they are based on Chinese, Japanese, or Icelandic sources). In some areas the ruthless weeding out of uncited or poorly referenced material is entirely acceptable, indeed laudable. This is mostly the case with articles dealing with popular subjects or relatively unambiguous technical topics. Classical Chinese poetry topic articles tend to move at a different speed, and involve various particular and systemic referencing and editing problems which tend not to be readily apparent. The "Poetry of Mao Zedong" article is a case in point. Let's work on it and make it a better article, but let's deal with it with finesse. I assure you that the poetry of Chinese leaders written in Classical Chinese is part of a long and notable tradition. And, I think Notability is the key here. Referencing is important, as are copyright issues, but you should note that some of the material in Classical Chinese poetry-related articles may have been derived from open source works: either traditional (as in the case of Tang Dynasty era texts) or been copied (more-or-less in translation, without necessarily being attributed) from an equivalent article such as from Chinese language Wikipedia, which in turn may have valid reference sources (although perhaps from sources in Chinese). Also, please don't delete whole poems, just because they are whole poems. For example, there are already and have long been two whole poems on the Yellow Crane Tower, on Wikipedia: one by Cui Hao and one by Li Bo (and I would have moved the Mao poem there long ago, if I weren't concerned over the copyright issue). I too believe that the "Poetry of Mao Zedong" has serious flaws. I don't currently have the reference resources to really give the article the treatment it deserves (and, frankly, I'm far more interested in Cui Hao (famous for his work in the regulated verse form) and Li Bo (also known as Li Po and Li Bai, and if you haven't heard of him you seriously should not be editing any articles on Chinese poetry!); however, I do know of Mao's "Yellow Crane Tower" poem, and its relation to the Cui Hao poem. That Mao might have written it in the the historical context stated in the Mao poetry article is the sort of content that I personally am interested in reading encyclopedic content about. In this case, I think the best practice is to leave unreferenced informational material, or data, intact, until it can be later referenced, or deleted if it seems to be demonstrably untrue (archiving on the article Talk page is also an option). I do not think that this is necessarily the case for all articles on Wikipedia, or for all articles which you may be working on; but in the case of some of the Classical Chinese poetry articles that I have been working on to improve, the pace of progress can be measured in years; but, often, my patience has paid off, with unreferenced material which I had serious reservations about, but nevertheless left intact, actually turning out to be useful one way or another. Happy editing, Dcattell (talk) 20:52, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Template talk:History of Korea
Please see: Template talk:History of Korea Thank you. Isitall (talk) 20:21, 16 July 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, but I don't understand what it has to do with me? ☾ Luna (talk) 21:00, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the previous confusion. I have read through your discussion with Sydneyphoenix on the Talk:History of Korea last year and believe you have a thorough understanding about Korea's prehistory and its Danjun myth. Currently a user named Historiographer showed up on History of Korea, Gojoseon, Timeline of Korean history,Template:History of Korea and kept reverting these Wiki pages based on his/her nationalist bias, such as counting Danjun myth into real history, removing Gija's impact from the context, deleting the Chinese commandaries both from the template and the text. Since you showed your interest in the prehistory field of Korea, I think you may like to tell us your opinions on those issues. Thanks for your time. Isitall (talk) 16:49, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
 * No worries. Just didn't know the situation. I might be able to take a look at it, but my interest in Korean history has waned, and I actually didn't know that much to begin with. I just looked into the sources being cited for their verifiability and notability, using my experience as a historian to flex a bit outside my field. I think that the pages dealing with Korean and Chinese history have a lot of potential NPOV issues and ones with sensitivities that I'm not adequately able to deal with. But thanks for thinking of me. ☾ Luna (talk) 18:22, 23 July 2013 (UTC)