User talk:Chuck Haberl

Languages in peril
Hi. Drop me a line if you need any help. Lingzhi &diams; (talk) 04:29, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

Duplication
Would you mind letting your students know that they should check to see if an article already exists on a topic before creating (and moving into Article space) brand-new and/or redundant articles under different/differently capitalized titles? I've found at least three cases from your students, so far, where redundant articles were created:


 * El Molo language (existing) versus El Molo Language (new)
 * Ainu language (existing) versus The Ainu language (new)
 * Klootschieten (existing) versus Klootschießen (klootschieten) (new)

I have moved these three back into User space. I haven't finished going through the entire list, so there may be others, and there are other drafts which look like they're about to have the same done with them, too. --Calton | Talk 23:07, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

See also:
 * Vivaro-Alpine dialect (existing) versus Vivaro-Alpine Dialect (new)
 * Dukhan language (existing) versus The Dukhan Language (Translation) (new)

--Calton | Talk 23:35, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for this notification, the students are indeed up to date with their training through WikiEdu, but it appears that there still remains some confusion re: adding a completely new article v. updating an existing stub. Chuck Haberl (talk) 18:16, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Review of the Swedish Sign Language Article
Hi, I am peer reviewing the article Swedish Sign Language and I wanted you to know the things I would implement to make it better.

The sections of the article are placed well, if I would have to change anything I would put "Education and communication" right under "History" instead of being near the end.

I believe the article does reflect all the perspectives that are represented in the published literature. I believe nothing is left out.

I do not believe I can guess the perspective of the author.

The statements in the article seem to have solid sources backing them up.

Some changes I would recommend implementing into this article would be to add more information about the history of Swedish Sign Language. As of right now I personally believe it to be very short.

If it is possible I would say to add more into the lead paragraph. I believe it can be longer than what it is now.

Other sections could be added. For example, the founder of the Swedish Sign Language.

Everything else looks to be perfect.

You do not need any of this. I believe the article is already a good one. Meh259 (talk) 20:47, 8 April 2021 (UTC)Meh259

Copying within Wikipedia
Prof. Haberl--please see this edit. The student copied content from another Wikipedia article, which is fine, but such new articles, even drafts, need to be properly attributed. Same with this one. Please tell your students, that this needs to be done every time they copy material from a Wikipedia article--sorry, but it's not optional. Please see Copying within Wikipedia for more detail. BTW I appreciate your attention to languages in peril. Drmies (talk) 22:09, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your comment, . I've written the WikiEdu staff for advice on how to respond, since they have recommended that the students host these works in progress in user sandboxes rather than making edits directly in mainspace, to avoid conflicts with other Wikipedia editors such as yourself, but you raise an interesting ethical dilemma about proper attribution while the edited pages are still under construction. Neither the training materials (nor Copying within Wikipedia, to be fair) anticipates such specific circumstances and it may be valuable to update the training and/or the the latter page to reflect them, in the interest of clarity. In any case, as you have noted, their intent was not to create new content on Wikipedia but merely to engage in editing new drafts of existing content temporarily until it can be evaluated by the WikiEdu staff and instructors such as myself. Chuck Haberl (talk) 22:39, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Before you say anything else, Chuck: make sure you're logged in; I just cleaned up your response. ;-) I know it--I know they weren't playing hanky-panky or anything like that, and making these kinds of edits in a sandbox is the best thing. So I hesitated for a moment but the guideline is quite clear--it doesn't matter whether it's in a sandbox or not. First of all, well it's there, but second, at some point it might be better than the original article, and thus moved into mainspace--why not? For Surui language, that would be great. So that history needs to be clear, and be preserved; admins often have a hell of a time trying to reconstruct it after a merger/move. I just did a quick check to see if I'm holding myself to the same standards. So that edit for my Mphahlele sandbox, that's all they have to do. I know, it's another nuisance, another little technical hurdle, but it is what it is. I just looked your class list and it's a lot of students, so I'm dreading the prospect of having to do it for all those sandboxes. But you know what, it's 2021, we should believe the experts, and knows this better than me. Diannaa, what do you think? This is in relation to Wiki Ed/Rutgers, the State University of New Jersey/Languages in Peril (Spring). Drmies (talk) 22:51, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Attribution is required anytime Wikipedia content is copied, even if it's to draftspace or userspace. I think it's up to the instructor to communicate our licensing requirements to the students and ensure that any copied material is/has been properly attributed. — Diannaa (talk) 01:34, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm the instructor,, and honestly tonight is the first time that these specific requirements are being communicated to me. The whole point to moving everything to userspace was to give the students an opportunity to familiarize themselves with your requirements gradually and gain a bit of breathing room to experiment with the format without running afoul of other editors and the admins. It can be pretty exasperating and I think we're all feeling a little overwhelmed here. I'll communicate with the students on Monday with further instructions (because no work is going to get done during the weekend) and tell them what they need to do to be more compliant with your requirements. Chuck Haberl (talk) 02:05, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, this is enough. The only thing they have to do when they copy material into userspace is state in the edit summary where it came from. Drmies (talk) 13:40, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Great, as I said, I appreciate your help, and I'll follow up with the students after the weekend,, but please be advised there are presently 5,587 students enrolled across 341 courses through the WikiEdu dashboard, and although I can't claim to have reviewed all of their sandboxes, it does appear that this is a pervasive issue. You might want to reach out to the WikiEdu staff and encourage them to update their training modules to include this step in order to conform to the licensing requirements as you have outlined them. Yes, as says, "it's up to the instructor to communicate our licensing requirements," but unfortunately it appears that the solution is not quite so simple. Chuck Haberl (talk) 16:00, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi all, we do indeed instruct students to note which Wikipedia article they're copying from in an edit summary here in step 4. We'll see what we can do to make this more evident. Thank you.Helaine (Wiki Ed) (talk) 21:13, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Mandaic Wikipedia
Hi Dr. Häberl, I have started a beta test version of the Mandaic Wikipedia at Wikimedia Incubator. You are cordially invited to assist with its development. Best, Nebulousquasar (talk) 21:36, 20 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Great, thanks, I'll be happy to take a look at it! Chuck Haberl (talk) 03:07, 21 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Interesting idea, I just wonder how many contributors there might be. I think I once read that there is a Syriac version with less than twenty users contributing. --89.204.153.33 (talk) 22:42, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks
I just saw that you are active here, thanks to Mcvti. I discovered your YouTube channel thanks to a footnote and want to thank you for what I learned about Hebraisms in Mandaic. Looking forward to seeing more and having a look at your books, too, when I shall find the time to do so. I do have some knowledge about Aramaic (mostly Jewish dialects and Syriac) but very little about Mandaic as of yet, a problem that shall be dealt with in the (hopefully near) future. --89.204.153.33 (talk) 22:53, 8 June 2022 (UTC)