User talk:Cielquiparle/Archive 4

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Nonmarital sex
Premarital sex seems to indicate that non-marital sex (the hyphenated form) is a near-synonym, so why should this term redirect to Human sexuality instead? That other article does not seem to mention the term at all.

For context, the term "nonmarital sex" is used in Media and American adolescent sexuality, and I think Premarital sex is an appropriate target in that case. PleaseStand (talk) 18:33, 3 January 2024 (UTC)


 * @PleaseStand From what you're saying (and from what those pages say), it's a broad term that could redirect to several different places – it hardly seems automatic that it would only redirect to Premarital sex. (If we were being really picky about it, it could be a set index page!) But sure, go ahead and change it back. At least the #Definition section acknowledges that it's a broad term that overlaps with other definitions. Cielquiparle (talk) 20:38, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
 * OK, I changed it back. Maybe, I will see if I can find sources and write an article specifically about the term, if I can find the time to do so. PleaseStand (talk) 04:05, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Michael Vogt
Hello, Cielquiparle,

Please look more closely at a page history before tagging an article for deletion. This page was an ordinary redirect and an editor blanked the page. So, it was not an "empty article", there was a blanking that should have been reverted. A look at the page history would have made this immediately apparent so I'm not sure how you missed it. I Know your editing from your thoughtful participation in AFD discussions so I hope you bring that care and attentio to page patrolling. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 04:56, 14 January 2024 (UTC)


 * @Liz In fact I did see this and I commented on the article Talk page. Should I have sent to AfD or elsewhere instead? Cielquiparle (talk) 05:02, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Taiwanese Americans in the San Francisco Bay Area
Hi I see you were working on reviewing this article a while back. I’m looking at articles from 15 October today because today is the last possible day to draftify anything in the NPP queue from that date. I thought this article might be appropriate to send to draft for improvement - what’s your view? Thanks Mccapra (talk) 08:29, 15 January 2024 (UTC)


 * @Mccapra Draftification is an excellent solution. Cielquiparle (talk) 10:25, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Favor?
Am I right in remembering from Nihon Shōgakkō fire that you have some competence in Japanese? If yes, could you confirm that File:Jōhana radium spring in 1931.jpg does in fact mention something about radium? It totally tracks and the period is right but I don't read Japanese and wanted to make sure this image is okay to use on radium fad. Sorry to impose! Thank you for any help you can offer. jengod (talk) 22:25, 21 January 2024 (UTC)


 * @Jengod Correct, ラジウム (printed on the card itself as ラジューム) refers to radium. Interesting article. On another note, if/when you have a moment, could you please take a look at Anti-Americanism among African Americans? (It's missing a lot of history.) Cielquiparle (talk) 00:12, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
 * 1. TY @Cielquiparle! @ForsythiaJo quadrupled what was a 3-sentence stub I threw together after working on some springs articles including Radium Sulphur Springs 2. Of course I'll take a look. I wish I could promise to be able to contribute to its improvement!! jengod (talk) 00:23, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Come to think of it @Jengod, thanks for your fixes to Clair Cline – I had been hoping that the DYK process would drag on for longer so I would have more time to work on it but I guess the topic was too exciting/novel. To be clear, I haven't touched the Anti-Americanism article yet – I also mean to try to help fix it but am not sure I will find the time. Cielquiparle (talk) 00:52, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Oh very glad to help. It was a v cool story and I'm glad my facility in digging around genealogy DBs was of some use! jengod (talk) 03:08, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Cleo Damianakes
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Cleo Damianakes you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Bruxton -- Bruxton (talk) 22:01, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Cleo Damianakes
The article Cleo Damianakes you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold. The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Cleo Damianakes and Talk:Cleo Damianakes/GA1 for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Bruxton -- Bruxton (talk) 05:04, 7 March 2024 (UTC)


 * @Bruxton Thank you for your review. I believe I have responded to addressed all of your comments so far. If some of the points are deal breakers, we can expand the article as needed. We can discuss when you return. Have a good trip. Cielquiparle (talk) 06:31, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

A peace dove for you
Hi Cielquiparle, I am glad to see your participation after what feels like awhile at AfD, because I consider your contributions thoughtful, well-researched and focused on building the encyclopedia. But I am sorry the recent discussion seems to have become a bit personalized, so I am writing to reiterate my respect and appreciation for your contributions. Thank you, Beccaynr (talk) 17:37, 24 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Appreciated @Beccaynr. I would just ask you this: You have eight articles about non-profit organizations listed on your User page. If all those articles were nominated for deletion tomorrow, would you be confident that they would satisfy the extreme standard of WP:ORG that you are advocating? I would argue that they would not. There is almost no information about a nonprofit that doesn't actually originate from the nonprofit itself; most of the coverage tends to quote directors and staff of the nonprofit; and even if nonprofits are promoting specific causes, you could easily have other editors arguing that any articles about a specific cause is about the cause, not the nonprofit itself and thus doesn't count, or that the articles are too promotional, or not in-depth enough about the organization, or that they focus on "routine" events that are not particularly relevant or are too news-driven, or that it's not comprehensive enough to write an entire article (when the policy specifically says the article needs to contain enough information to write more than "a very brief, incomplete stub"). IMO, it's possible to poke holes in any source. It's important to consider the "why" behind the policy and how it actually works in practice, not just enforce dogma. Cielquiparle (talk) 22:22, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
 * For nonprofit organizations, the WP:NONPROFIT section of the guideline applies, and please note I do not think it will be productive to debate each of those articles on your user talk page. Thank you, Beccaynr (talk) 22:39, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @Beccaynr "Usually notable" is not the same as "notable". Cielquiparle (talk) 22:43, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Irma Tam Soong.png
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Disambiguation link notification for April 16
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Citation Barnstar

 * Thanks @Turtlecrown, likewise for all your thoughtful citations and edits, and for making category-elimination exciting in the Unreferenced articles context. (September 2008 is calling.) Cielquiparle (talk) 11:51, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Well done! Nice work indeed. BorgQueen (talk) 11:52, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

New Pages Patrol newsletter April 2024
Hello ,

Backlog update: The October drive reduced the article backlog from 11,626 to 7,609 and the redirect backlog from 16,985 to 6,431! Congratulations to, who led with over 2,300 points.

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Draftify
Hey Cielquiparle. When you move articles to draftspace, you should notify the creator on their talk page and request speedy deletion of the redirect. See WP:DRAFTNOTIFY. Also, avoid draftifying within an hour after a user has been working on the article, per WP:NPPHOUR. I recommend using the User:MPGuy2824/MoveToDraft script, which will automate the first two steps and remind you if the article has been edited in that past hour, among other things. SilverLocust 💬 20:27, 5 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @SilverLocust Will do. Thank you for pointing me to the script and instructions. Cielquiparle (talk) 21:08, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Found this at NPP The Blue Angels (2024)
A film about Blue Angels. I am going to get it 5x- already started. I wondered if you want to collaborate on getting this article spiffed up. I have many qpqs and we will both get credit for the nomination. It might also inspire the new user who started the article because they will get credit. The Blue Angels (2024). Bruxton (talk) 14:59, 27 May 2024 (UTC)


 * @Bruxton Well done. Article looks good! Not sure it needs much spiffing...? Cielquiparle (talk) 18:08, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you, please do see what you can do. I think the article still needs more perhaps WP:MINEing also. Bruxton (talk) 18:31, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Bruxton Deserves a better hook. Thinking about it. Cielquiparle (talk) 04:35, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I am stuck! Maybe see what you can do with that nomination, the reviewer is asking for better hooks. I will add you to the nom. By the way I have missed you at DYK, but even my own activity there has gone down. Bruxton (talk) 00:25, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Bruxton Not sure what to do now. We have a reviewer who is very literal. This is partly why I got out of the hook-writing business. I had a well-meaning editor with barely any DYK experience spoil the Alfred Cowles hook at the last minute with no discussion, so it ran with a super boring version of the hook. Happens. Cielquiparle (talk) 06:18, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I was called away for a few days, but I just responded there. Bruxton (talk) 04:27, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

nachos revert
Hi Cielquiparle,

I noticed that you reverted my edit on the Nachos, and while I do reflect that I should've discussed the addition on the talk page, I just wanted to let you know that I did not intend to vandalize the page, just a newbie forgetting a simple rule :|.

Pingy / Pongy 02:23, 12 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Thanks for explaining @DingDongPingPong. Take a look at the edits made by the IP before you who was clearly vandalizing the page. It made sense to revert to the version of the article before. Cielquiparle (talk) 02:30, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me.
 * But on the Nachos article, does there not seem to be multiple under-referenced sections, especially Nachos? Does that not then call for the under-referenced banner?
 * Pingy / Pongy 02:34, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @DingDongPingPong You were using the wrong tag and unintentionally tagged the entire article as "Unreferenced". You should have only tagged the specific section, which requires a different tag. See WP:WikiProject Unreferenced articles/Mistagged articles cleanup for more information. Cielquiparle (talk) 02:47, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Ah, yet another newbie mistake :). Thanks for pointing that out! Pingy / Pongy  02:50, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Is this an agreeable revision or could it still do with some work? Pingy / Pongy  02:59, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @DingDongPingPong Sure. Cielquiparle (talk) 03:04, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Command information newspaper
Hello! Your submission of Command information newspaper at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at your nomination's entry and respond there at your earliest convenience. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Z1720 (talk) 21:29, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Opinion
Hey @Cielquiparle, hope you're well. I wondered if I could use your wiki-experience for a sec. I made a list today named List of things claimed to possess 365 of something, and just wondering if you could think of ways to improve it, or improve the title, or if the idea even warrants a page at all. I thought it might be an interesting addition to Wikipedia. Regards, Ridiculopathy (talk) 15:36, 3 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi @Ridiculopathy. My advice is to have a look at WP:NLIST and WP:LISTCRITERIA as the list likely will get challenged by the list police at some point. (The thing to look for now is a reliable source that talks about "things that come in sets of 365" as a category (or equivalent) to help make the case that it's not original research or an arbitrary collection of things.) Cielquiparle (talk) 22:24, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi @Cielquiparle, thanks for the feedback. I wasn't aware it had to come from a reliable source that already pre-grouped such ideas. Hypothetically if I were to find a source that linked such ideas as this article is trying to achieve (a list of lakes that are all reputed to have 365 islands, etc), where does one reference such a source in the wiki page - is it to each of the individual items in the article, or just once at the beginning or ending? I just thought up the idea for this page the other day as an interesting concept for a wiki article, but maybe it's too "original research"-esque to qualify for a standalone list, which is fair enough. Thanks for the advice. Ridiculopathy (talk) 01:07, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @Ridiculopathy Just once at the top is enough (depending on what it says) and remember, that source doesn't have to list every item on your list page – it just has to back up the overall concept as a "thing". Cielquiparle (talk) 05:17, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I see what you mean. Every day's a day at school on Wikipedia! Ridiculopathy (talk) 13:59, 4 July 2024 (UTC)