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Article title change request: Andrew Daniel
Hi Cindy. :) Can you please change the article title of Andrew Daniel to Drew Daniel, his common name? That's the only name he's ever gone by in his career (and personal life). He was a contestant on the TV show, Big Brother. Here are a few links for verification:, , , , , and . I just updated the article a bit; another editor previously entered his name as "Drew Daniel" in the infobox. Thanks! --76.189.126.159 (talk) 18:18, 6 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I see it was changed already. Thank you! --76.189.126.159 (talk) 21:21, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

A cup of tea

 * Hi, mentor Cindy, thank you for restoring notability tag to the article of Khurshid Eqbal in the existence of the source of mainstream online and print Urdu literary magazine, Jadeed Adab from Germany, Pakistan and India. I thought, as the wiki rule, at least one reliable source is needed for notability, but you referred me policies for rereading, so I have done, and appreciate your knowledge of that subject of area, especially Urdu language, you have accessed and assessed to read the short Urdu but meaning full article, written by writer, poet and editor. Actually I do not match my review and opinion with any choices, and I do realy not consider myself an academic person, but personally, as other academics, and educational institutions refuse the reliability of the whole wikipedia encyclopedia, do the same, because of that. I assume good faith, and do not even bother if someone would add tags to every article of wiki, right or wrong.

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CSD schools
Hi Cindy. I wasn't  aware of the Cossde  issue. If you come across anything  like this again, don't  hesitate to  let  me know and I'll  help  out. You can also  leave a message for  us at  WT:WPSCH. Cheers, Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:29, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I'll certainly keep this bit of information in my back pocket if it ever happens again! Cindy  ( talk to me ) 09:39, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion work
Hi, I have to agree with what you say. But it seems that all these articles contain no more information that their name and location and no RS could be found other than administrative lists. Cossde (talk) 09:03, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
 * That's more than enough. It's already more than there is about soccer players and insect genera. Short article are 'stubs' - they provide an opportunity  for someone to  build on them - except  that  it  rarely  happens for the footballers. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:28, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I posted over on the other page, but thought to respond here as well. Kudpung is correct. Many school articles expand over time, starting as a stub, then growing over the years. Cossde, I think there's simply a misunderstanding of the purpose or intent of the A7 criteria. Unfortunately, many editors misunderstand the A7 criteria and use it to identify articles that lack notability. The A7 criteria has nothing to do with notability. Rather, the A7 CSD tag is used to identify articles that fail to indicate the significance and/or importance of the subject, which is a lesser standard than notability. The policy is very clear that educational institutions are exempt from the A7 criteria. Even if an article does not have sources, but still claims significance or importance, it is not eligible for A7 speedy deletion. Hope this helps. Again, anytime you have questions, please feel free to ask. Best regards, Cindy  ( talk to me ) 09:44, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

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Below a certain pt, they are not notable, but I am not going to determine where that pt is on my own a/c. Belonging to a league is a conceivable claim to notability, or perhaps at least the importance to be worth a redirect. Please use prod or afd.  DGG ( talk ) 01:21, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Yooze a silly boy. Tawkin' 'bout air conditioning? What be "a/c"? accord? You crackin' me up. I'll take another look and redirect or PROD/AFD. They awready been A7'd, so let's see who be comin' along the next time. ;) Cindy  ( talk to me ) 02:22, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Michele Landsberg
Very nice transformation on the Michele Landsberg article, it's cool to see some talent in action! Sorry about my possible conflict, I'd started looking at it just before your template I guess. Regards, heather walls (talk) 07:28, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Heather! I didn't actually get a conflict message. That said, we were certainly on the same page in removing the content. And on the other hand, I'm sure there is much more that can be added to the article. Hopefully, we'll have an image before long. At this point, though, migraine has me down for the count. Major ugh. Thanks again for the kudos! Cindy  ( talk to me ) 20:58, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks for suggesting speedy deletion of "The Elliott Argument". Purely for the lols, here is the author's FB page. Sometimes I like to read it, just to feel better about myself. https://www.facebook.com/THEATHEISTKILLA (run by Chad "The AK"/"5-Thirty" Elliott) - enjoy. Mongoletsi (talk) 09:33, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * When I first saw the article on Wikipedia and questioned the validity, I searched online for anything that I could add that would support notability. Possibly it was a book or something, but poorly written in Wikipedia? I just wasn't sure. The only thing I found was the Facebook page, along with pure rubbish and vandalism posted across the Internet. I knew it had previously been deleted as an attack page at Elliott Argument and marked the recreation the same. After doing so, I noticed that it had been declined once under that criteria, so I removed the CSD to place a PROD, thinking the next step would be an AFD, but the edit conflict had it deleted. Original research, soapbox, essay. Blah, blah, blah. Silly stuff, really. (Disclaimer: I'm a Christian and preacher's kid, but fully able to separate my personal opinions or convictions from the policies and guidelines of what is or is not appropriate for the encyclopedia.) Cindy  ( talk to me ) 21:46, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Just noticed that the article is at AFD. I'm not going to pile on the discussion, since consensus is clear. Oy vey. LOL Cindy  ( talk to me ) 22:10, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

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Chesney Snow
HI Cindy, Candymaze here! I can't thank you enough for your help and clarity. I just responded on my talk page with a few questions. Regarding reliable sources. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Candymaze1981 (talk • contribs) 12:27, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

HI Cindy Candymaze here. Can you help me delete the article Chesney Snow? Again, I just wanted to help complete the definition that was already on wikipedia of Chesney Snow and made an effort to make it as neutral as possible. I sincerely appreciate your help on formatting etc. Would love to have the article on wikipedia obviously but please if you feel that the article really should not be on wikipedia please help us remove it. Thank you. Would rather not have an article on Chesney Snow if it should not be there. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Candymaze1981 (talk • contribs) 00:24, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks again Cindamuse, really appreciate your help. I think I might be getting a better idea of what you are referring to. Again a misunderstanding. So a listing of the subject generated by wikipedia does not necessarily constitute notability for wikipedia's standards, correct? It would be a challenge for me to find coverage outside of something that is covering something that I have done or new's that is covering just me as in a tabloid for example. Apologies if this is annoying just trying to understand an example of what is needed. Again the intent is not to use the page as a promotional tool but it was a simply to complete what was already listed there. When can it be determined if the article's resources will meet the general notability guidelines? Could you show me an example of what the resources or coverage would be cause I'm confused as to what would be legitimate.

Thank you for your help with this. Can you explain or give an example of significant sources, so that I know? Would be a headlining artist at the World Science Festival for example be a significant source for example? http://worldsciencefestival.com/participants/chesney_snow For example the participants of the WSF are mostly the leading figures in arts, politics, and sciences on the planet. It is completely independent of the subject or no? Would the Harvard University publication the Harvard Gazette be considered via news video if it features the subject? I'm just trying to get an understanding of what would count towards the sources to compile them. If these type of things count then I do have these. But how to use them?

Also do the multiple wikipedia pages that mention Chesney Snow on the various productions count towards significant sources? Thank you for your help on this. I was not intending to use wikipedia as a personal page or networking site by any means. Again, I was merely attempting to complete the definition of Chesney Snow that was already on wikipedia regarding the name Chesney as a given name. It does feel a bit weird that winning one of the highest honors in American theatre would not be considered a notable accomplishment but there are no egos at play here I do not wish to go against wikipedia policies, I enjoy wikipedia and would not wish to denigrate it or misuse it in anyway. It's fascinating how the articles are created. "Chesney snow" was already generated on wikipedia before the article was created.

I know for a fact that many of the biographies on wikipedia are maintained, edited, and disputed by management of living artists. It is not our intent use it as merely a promotional tool for work and life but to complete the definition that exists. Perhaps provide some brief background. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Candymaze1981 (talk • contribs) 14:15, 24 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Hey there! I just noticed that you have been posting comments in various sections and between conversations held by other editors. When you post comments on user talk pages, it is important to use the "new section" link at the top of the page, which automatically creates a new section and alerts the editor that you have left a message. It is also important to sign your comments by adding four tildes at the end of your comment, i.e., ~
 * It is difficult to follow your intent, so I'll just provide a few answers and links below:


 * 1) You keep implying that you are editing on behalf of a group. How many people are editing on this account?
 * 2) If you want to have the article deleted, you can simply blank the content, since you are the only editor working on the article.
 * 3) For more information about what constitutes "significance" and "reliable", please see this link: WP:VRS. From there, make sure to click through the links provided for additional information.
 * 4) Wikipedia articles cannot be used as sources.
 * 5) The WSF source is not independent, since it merely exists to promote the musical festival.
 * 6) Having a name listed on Wikipedia is not an indication of notability. You can find more information about notability here: WP:N, WP:NACTOR, and WP:GNG.
 * 7) The Drama Desk Award for Outstanding Ensemble Performance is a noncompetitive award presented to the production and is not considered a major award.
 * At this point, based on the questions you have asked, I would suggest that placing the article for community discussion, may result in a better understanding of the process. It also provides an opportunity for other editors to weigh in with thoughts on notability or adding more sources to the article. Let me know your thoughts. Cindy  ( talk to me ) 03:12, 25 September 2012 (UTC)


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Thank you Cindamuse. So after getting that information yes it makes sense to delete. There is some inaccuracy in your statement though. The Drama Desk Award for Outstanding Ensemble Performance award is considered a major award. You are actually very wrong on that. It is rarely given out and it is an award given to the cast/actors, not the production but for their actual performance. It's classification as a non-competitive award means it's akin to the special award, as the Lifetime Achievement awards are special awards. It is honestly perhaps one of the highest honors. I know this because I asked the Drama Desk committee chairperson, the other cast which received the award was The Normal Heart, a cast of some of the most respected actors in New York theatre. AS stated "

This year the nominators chose to bestow special ensemble awards for acting to the casts of two shows. Therefore, individual cast members for these shows were not eligible for acting awards in the competitive categories. In Transit The Normal Heart"

directly from the Drama Desk Awards...

I love wikipedia, I only asked questions and again had no intent to misuse it. But thank you for that in total. Your have definitely helped me. Thank you and FYI I'm not trying to be difficult, arrogant, or prideful. Hopefully I don't come off that way. I'm merely asking questions.

Also the World Science Festival is not a music festival simply seeking promotion. It is a leading science festival, implied by the name, featuring some of the leading scientists, artists, and cultural figures in the world.


 * Hi Chesney! Please know that you do not come off as difficult, arrogant, or prideful at all! ;) I'm hoping I can answer your questions in the best way possible for you to understand and hope that I don't come across in the same way. I certainly have no desire to detract or diminish the accomplishment and honor of receiving a Drama Desk Award. While the Drama Desk Award for Outstanding Ensemble Performance may be considered a major award by the presenting organization, it is not considered a major award in the terms of Wikipedia notability. Two different schools of thought there. Among the notability guidelines for actors is:
 * Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions.
 * Has a large fan base or a significant "cult" following.
 * Has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment. (as an individual)
 * As far as WSF, I simply meant that the reference is a promotional piece, rather than an independent entity offering significant commentary about your individual participation in the festival. Hope that makes sense. I'm glad you are enjoying Wikipedia. I kinda like it around here too. (Although it can become addictive!) Don't blank the article yet. At this point, we need to find sources to establish notability. A quick look shows that there might be some in Gbooks. I have a migraine at the moment, but will try to look more by tomorrow. Cindy  ( talk to me ) 18:44, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you Cindy. I'm learning. I am hoping you are feeling better. Been a rough week on my end too. Lost a friend in an accident + we are preparing a presentation for Mr. Harry Belafonte to come on board a project as our executive producer. So funeral and performance in the same day. As for the article I have put the info and references back into the article for the time being. Thanks again for your help on this. Take care. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Candymaze1981 (talk • contribs) 16:11, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

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 * Thanks! You are too kind. (Your pony is in the mail.) Cindy  ( talk to me ) 02:59, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
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Thanks for your speedy reply to my question about COI. The page would be for my late husband's artwork, I suppose. I believe it will meet the definition of Notability because his work was reviewed by numerous independent publications at various times. I will start a draft in my sandbox and see how it goes and submit it sometime later. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robin.f.moore (talk • contribs) 16:13, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

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You might be interested in the fact that the subject of the article actually wrote an article on the notability tag you placed. Ryan Vesey 16:22, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks Ryan!. While I had already read the Independent article, I think it's more telling that in the month following the creation of the article and placement of the notability tag, nobody cared to remove the tag after establishing notability through the general notability guidelines. Quite puzzling, indeed. Cindy  ( talk to me ) 19:54, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
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 * That is certainly a promising idea, although I think the number of articles sent to AFD could be increased. I would also like to see a bot, similar to Suggestbot, that sends a note to editors stating something to the effect "In September, you recognized the following articles as lacking established notability. Your work reviewing these articles is greatly appreciated. At this point, you are invited to revisit these articles to review the current status. Suggested actions may include adding additional sources or content to establish notability, or sending the article for community discussion to determine whether the article should be kept or deleted." I personally don't micromanage articles. When I see that other editors are working on a specific article, oftentimes, I choose to no longer watch the article. In this regard, I think a bot to request that editors revisit articles where they previously placed maintenance tags would be welcome. Your thoughts? Cindy  ( talk to me ) 01:31, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

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Your congratulations to Jimbo Wales and his new wife made me realise that there are some good people out there. Very nice. :) --Jonty Monty (talk) 19:15, 6 October 2012 (UTC) That makes me sound as though I thought there were only bad people around. Lol  --Jonty Monty (talk) 19:30, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, JM... and welcome to Wikipedia! It's a sad commentary that a simple courtesy in offering a newly married couple best wishes is rare these days. Your courtesy here is appreciated. Your work is appreciated, as well. If you ever have a question or need help navigating your way through Wikipedia, please feel free to contact me anytime. Hope you have a great weekend! Best regards, Cindy  ( talk to me ) 10:18, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
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Hi Cindy. :) Can you please get Emblem 3 renamed to Emblem3, their correct name. They are contestants on the current season of The X Factor and have never stylized their name as Emblem 3. The name can be verified at The X Factor article, on the X Factor contestants page, and on the group's official website. Also, here are some of the many reliable sources that verify their name is Emblem3:. There are dozens more if you need them. Thanks! --76.189.112.132 (talk) 18:48, 13 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Nevermind, apparently someone else already changed it. Thanks, anyway. :) --76.189.112.132 (talk) 20:53, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey there, sorry I wasn't able to get to it sooner. I've been down with a migraine the past few days. Hope all is well with you! Cindy  ( talk to me ) 09:36, 15 October 2012 (UTC)