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Waifs and Strays (album)
Hi, just wondered why you deleted/redirected my page. I understand the guidlines on the notability of articles. Would it help if i provided more sources? for example Waifs and strays, Ian McNabb discography and http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/music/pid/2215443/a/Waifs+And+Strays.htm This page even has a review I am currently trying to compile a complete picture of Ian McNabb's music on wikipedia, and i cant really do this without that article. Thanks in advance for your understanding, --Jonie148 (talk) 07:57, 17 October 2012 (UTC) Okay, Thanks for the help. The cookies look yummy! --Jonie148 (talk) 07:33, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Jonie! Yes, what you did was good! You can find the guidelines for albums here: WP:NALBUMS. Most albums do not meet the criteria for standalone articles on Wikipedia. Overall, we require significant reliable and independent sources. The sources that you provided are actually not independent, since they merely exist to promote the album. That said, I think they provide sufficient verifiability that I won't redirect. You should go ahead and add the swapshop as a review and try to find any other reviews out there. Don't neglect adding published information from offline sources, such as books and magazines. I would also recommend that you draft your articles in a subpage of your userspace, so that you can work on the article without disruption (redirecting), before you add all the necessary sources. I would also recommend moving your user profile, i.e., User:Jonie148 to User:Jonie148/workshop, then create individual subpages for your work in progress, so that you can have a bit more privacy, otherwise, your work listed on the front page may become a target for trolls. (This is just my personal experience.) On another note, it looks like you've been here for a few months, but never received a proper welcome. Hope you enjoy the (virtual) cookies! If you need help with anything, please feel free to ask anytime. Cindy  ( talk to me ) 21:07, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

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Thank you!
Hi Cindamuse! Thank you for tagging my Atlantic Food and Horticulture Research Centre article. I am fully committed to bringing my submission in line with Wikipedia's quality standards so I welcome every criticism and suggestion that comes my way. However, as a new editor I'm having a bit of trouble recognizing exactly what needs the most work, and I'm hoping you can help me improve. Regarding the bare URLs: Are they in compliance now? Coincidentally, another user was graciously helping my article out with the Reflinks tool around the same time you added the tag. Regarding Recentism: Is that tag directed towards listed events in the centre's past that may not be considered as important as they are portrayed to be in the article? Or is it something else entirely? I would also appreciate any input you may have towards improving the layout. I am currently working on refining the overall prose and grammar of the article, and rest assured that I have followed and read each link supplied in the tag, but I hope/know you appreciate the learning curve that faces new editors. I truly aspire to become a valued contributor someday! Skinnzy (talk) 06:43, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey there! Welcome to Wikipedia! I noticed an edit conflict (two users editing at the same time) when I was reviewing the article. I didn't want to overwhelm you, so I just thought to rest a bit and revisit it later. The URLs look better, just take another look at citation #11 for spelling and add an access date. Recentism addresses comments and notes that refer to current or present time, since the time frame will change from one day to the next. Take a look at Template:As of and just keep in mind to use dates, rather than undefined phrases relating to time, i.e., present-day, tomorrow, yesterday, currently, etc. You should also review Template:Convert, and the Manual of Style for WP:REFPUNC, WP:MOSBOLD, WP:ITALIC, and WP:HYPHEN. You can also add an infobox from Template:Infobox organization. Finally, make sure to indicate in the lead section, how or why the organization is significant or important, that is, worthy of an encyclopedia article. For example, have they received any honors or awards? (If you need help with this, let me know.) These are the only things that jump out at me right now. I'm more than willing to help out, but don't want to step on your toes. I think you're doing a great job! Please feel free to contact me any time you have questions or need help navigating through Wikipedia. And have fun! Best regards, Cindy  ( talk to me ) 09:54, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Borderland Beat
Hi Cindy, a while ago now, on June 18th in fact, you were kind enough to take a look at, and comment on, my page for Borderland Beat news blog which was subject to a speedy delete. Our exchange is in your archive, page 25. I have had another shot at making a wiki page for Borderland Beat, so once again I would very much like if you could take a look at the new page and pass comment. The new page is at User:Georgeblake/Project and the original page is still up at User:Georgeblake/sandbox. Thanks! Georgeblake (talk) 19:21, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

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Lady Montagu of Beaulieu
Thanks for improving the article. Do you think it should be deleted? Surtsicna (talk) 08:22, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey there. Unfortunately, real life currently has me sidelined. I am unable to work on improving the article sufficiently. I came upon your work due to the improperly placed A7, of which the editor incorrectly equated the criteria to notability. A7 ≠ notability. While a title in the peerage is a credible claim of significance and/or importance to forgo the A7 CSD, the majority of the sources currently in the article are not independent of the subject. Offline sources (books) will provide clear data to establish notability. At this point though, establishing notability will require a bit more work. Believing that, I have chosen not to recommend deletion or merging. I would suggest that deletion sorting for peerage may help with the article. Outside of that, I would userfy until the GNG can be met. Hope this helps. Cindy  ( talk to me ) 23:54, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Aaron Robinson (composer)
Hi Cindamuse ~ I noticed that you placed a disclaimer with quite a few reasons regarding the article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Robinson_%28composer%29 ... could you perhaps go in and fix those that you felt were causing the problem rather than simply placing the disclaimer? If we all helped one another, we could all benefit from our good services. It seems that more contributors are eager to find what's wrong with an article, rather than going in and adjusting what would make it right. Disclaimers send the wrong message to those wishing to use Wikipedia ~ since it tends to "discredit" the article already approved. Any help you could offer in alleviating what you deem problematic would be useful. I am new to this, and have been very grateful to all those who helped get the article this far. I would like to post more in similar fields, but need to learn before I do ... your contribution will aid in this learning. Thank you. Impromp2Music (talk) 15:21, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Maintenance tags are not badges of shame, disclaimers, or attempts to discredit, but serve to flag areas of the article that need attention. The templates additionally place the article into queues for editors that work on specific issues. While I am often available to cleanup issues on various articles, doing this with every article outside of appropriately identifying these issues, thereby offering others the opportunity to learn is a bit counterproductive. To learn more about the specific issues, you can click through the hyperlinks to the detailed guidelines. Reading through the Manual of Style, along with the links pertaining to sourcing should be a great start. If you have specific questions once you review the guidelines, please feel free to contact me again. Best regards, Cindy  ( talk to me ) 15:32, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Very nicely done cleanup! Roger (talk) 18:34, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Please feel free to contact me anytime you need help or have a question with anything that I've done. Cindy  ( talk to me ) 18:53, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

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Frank Fortunato
May I ask what is wrong with the article? I assumed everything was fine with References and Text and has been in The Sopranos and Max Payne 3 which to the Public are big things. Big Paul99 (talk) 08:01, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Paul! There is a link at the top of the article, which directs you to this page: Articles for deletion/Frank Fortunato. In essence, the subject fails the guidelines, which require significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of Frank, his employer, work, or affiliates. The Wikipedia community will discuss the notability of the subject and the viability of the article in accordance with the encyclopedia's guidelines. You are more than welcome to participate in the discussion, ask questions, and respond to statements that others have made. If you have more questions about editing Wikipedia and navigating through everything, please feel free to contact me. Best regards, Cindy  ( talk to me ) 21:45, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

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Open Food Facts
Hi Cindamuse, I've just seen that you removed the page on Open Food Facts I created this morning. I won't argue what is notable and what is not, this is Wikipedia's business after all. However, since I spent one hour working on this page, would it be possible to have access to its content? It's really no fun to see efforts disappear as if they never existed. By the way, this should be part of Wikipedia's policy, don't you think? When an editor is rejecting an author's manuscript, it does not mean it disappears forever, fortunately... Thanks in advance for your consideration. Best regards, DavidBourguignon (talk) 17:44, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey there, David! Thanks for contacting me. As far as Open Food Facts, I didn't actually delete the article. You can always see the actions taken on deleted articles by clicking on the red links. Generally speaking, I don't think many people would hesitate to send an editor a copy of a deleted article (outside of those articles that represent attacks or copyright violations). Just contact User talk:RHaworth (Roger) and ask him to email you a copy. As a side note, the article was speedy deleted, because it failed to indicate how and/or why the subject is important and/or significant. If you recreate the content, I recommend drafting the article first in a subpage of your userspace. It's much easier to work on articles in a subpage, then move the article to the mainspace once it meets the policies and guidelines. Drafting your article also protects it from unexpected speedy deletion while you're still working on establishing notability. Simply click this link and work on the article there. Make sure to add an appropriate statement addressing how the subject is important or significant. Why does it warrant an article in an encyclopedia? Once you add this statement, simply support the claim and the article with significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject (the website/personnel/affiliates). You can read the notability guidelines for websites and Internet content here. If you have additional questions, please feel free to contact me. Cindy  ( talk to me ) 18:22, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks Cindy for the great feedback. I contacted Roger as you recommended. I will definitely write first a draft in my user space before submitting this results to you. By the way, I don't understand why this is not the actual process in Wikipedia... This would improve the general content production pipeline a lot. Here are my two cents: when creating a new article, it is first saved in the user space, and a "submission request" is sent to the relevant reviewers/editors (according to the article specific topics). Till the reviewers/editors comments are not satisfactorily answered, the article is considered "pending". This way, nobody would complain about speedy deletion, and most of the tiring "notability debates" would be over. What do you think about this Wikipedia's policy update? Thanks again. Best regards, DavidBourguignon (talk) 14:12, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Dear Cindy, thanks again for you help. I did receive a copy of my article and create a page in my user space. Moreover, I explained my idea to Roger on his User_talk:RHaworth page and hope this will be discussed among editors at some point. I do think this is an important matter to improve the article submission process and recruit more contributors in the future. Best regards, DavidBourguignon (talk) 09:32, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi David! Hope you are doing well. Just want to touch bases. You should check out WP:AFC. I think this may be in line with your thoughts regarding an article submission process. Hope you have a great weekend! Cindy  ( talk to me ) 19:47, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Tony Cucci
Tony Cucci is an Actor, I have referenced well and someone who has appeared in The Sopranos and some big Films should have a right to this, But please. Since you can't help me and I cant do anything about it, Please just delete it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Big Paul99 (talk • contribs) 12:27, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey Paul! Not sure if you are aware, but Wikipedia actually has notability guidelines for actors, which encompass the criteria for inclusion in the encyclopedia. You can review the guidelines here. We also require that notability is verified by significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. The citations offered in the Tony Cucci article are limited to a IMDb entry and the subject's personal website. We cannot use either source to establish notability. You can read more about reliable sources here. To be honest with you, the majority of the articles that you have created do not meet the threshold for notability and may actually result in deletion. Since you are writing articles on behalf of the individuals that are represented by your talent agency, I recommend that you read WP:COI and WP:PROMOTION. Wikipedia is really not a means to promote the professional interests or awareness of individuals or organizations. If you have additional questions, please feel free to contact me. You are also welcome to participate in the community discussion about the article at this link. Best regards, Cindy  ( talk to me ) 18:43, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I wasn't aware of that Actors had notability guidelines. All I want to do is become known on here, Create all Actors on The Sopranos and be known for something like that, I'm currently on the project of Italian American Crime, I have to say.. References are better on New York Times, Alot of those Mob Guys are well known on The Internet. For Actors, I usually pick a Random film and make a page for them, then when I've done that. I make sure the "Cast" section of the film, that all the actors have a page. Yes, I understand now. I will carry on The Mob pages, I see quite alot need to be created on, Lucchese crime family and Gambino crime family. I've seen many have attempted to create a page for them and have failed well, Here I am and I'll try and keep them up with Good Information and Good References. Thank you and take care! Maybe you could come along to Staten Island and meet a friend of mine named Gary Brant who is currently President of our Organization, While I am Co-Prez. If you have any Small Actors that you know of, give me a message. Thank you! :) Big Paul99 (talk) 18:53, 3 November 2012 (UTC).
 * You should check out our WikiProject for actors. WikiProject Biography/Arts and entertainment Essentially, it's a gathering place of editors like yourself that collaborate on biographies about individuals from the entertainment industry. Here's the project for crime and criminals WikiProject Biography/Arts and entertainment. I couldn't find one specifically for the mob, but it could be hiding somewhere. Sign up for both projects! You can also contact other members and ask questions. Wikipedia is quite a large website with A LOT of people and so much to do. It really can be a lot of fun. Getting connected with others with whom you share common interests can enhance the enjoyment. That sounds a bit wordy, doesn't it? LOL I think you get the idea though. Just have fun with it. Again, if you have questions or need help, feel free to contact me anytime. (Glad you made it safely through Sandy's visit!) Best regards, Cindy  ( talk to me ) 19:38, 3 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you so much! I will sign up, I'll check out a Project for Crime, I've seen it somewhere but I'll find it, so dont worry. I have sent a Book to a friend of mine, which is about my Career in bad things which I wouldn't like to say and wouldn't like to give it away also. Once my Book has been completely checked over, we will start our production for a feature film and hopefully it will become big. Yes, I did make it through Sandy, haha. But, no hurricane, tsunami or earthquake is going to stop me from editing on Wikipedia! You take care, and I hope you weren't hurt or even effected! by Sandy. Cheers Big Paul99 (talk) 20:50, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

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Regina Maris (schooner)
Hi, Cindamuse, I appreciate your interest in the Regina Maris (Schooner) page. I am new to Wikipedia editing (though I have done some work on small wiki pages elsewhere.) Can you help me get started on editing the Regina Maris (schooner)page? I would like to make the following edits:


 * Change the current page title "Regina Maris (schooner)"  to "Regina (Schooner) aka Regina Maris (Barquentine)" The reason is that the same ship sailed under the two different names/rigs at different times of its history.  Also, most folks who knew the ship (who are still alive) would know her as the barquentine Regina Maris.  (See the Lead paragraph below for reference)

Next change would be to make the following paragraph the Lead for the page.
 * The sailing vessel, Regina Maris, sailed all the oceans variously as a cargo vessel, private yacht, cruise ship, scientific research vessel, sail training vessel, and movie & TV setting. Launched in 1908 under the name, Regina, rigged as a 3-masted topsail schooner, she was rebuilt and re-rigged in 1964 as the 3-masted barquentine, Regina Maris, the name and rig she retained until her breakup in 2005. [1]

Citation: [1] “Regina Maris:  Long Live the Queen”, by David Berson. Woodenboat Magazine, Issue #149, July August 1999, pg 70-74

The material currently serving as Lead paragraph can be moved down into the main body of the page for future organization/editing. Thanks, Nelsbkstg (talk) 23:24, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for contacting me. While getting started on Wikipedia can be a bit tricky, please understand that articles are written in accordance with established guidelines and policies. The proposed article title doesn't actually meet the naming convention policy. That said, if you go to the article and click on the "What links here" link at the left of the article, you can the "redirects" that were created to assist editors looking for the article using different names. The proposed paragraph also doesn't meet the guidelines for lead sections. You can check out the Manual of Style at this link. Please feel free to contact me again if you have any questions. Cindy  ( talk to me ) 18:43, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Jose Bonilla (jdjbj43)
Hi Cindamuse. I wanted to get some help with a wikipage and you were one of the prominent responders to my attempt at creating a Julie Marcus Wiki Page. I wanted to repost, but thought I'd ask for some advice first. She's a personal friend of mine and asked me to help her out in this area because she was the one cast member without a wiki presence. But, as I mentioned, I'm a rookie around here. She has a decent filmography and her animated character's show is now well into it's first season (Dragons: Riders of Berk). If you have time, I'd love to learn a bit more on the qualifications to be noteable enough for a wiki page. I see one of her cast-mates Zack Pearlman is alive and well on wiki, and his career is not as lengthy. I know the system isn't "if A > B & B > C then A > C", but perhaps I can consider this at least as a marker that her page may be approved? Thanks for the help in advance. Jdjbj43 (talk) 23:37, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
 * At this point, you want to make sure not to post the article, since it has already been determined by the community that it does not meet the notability guidelines. That said, if you have new information to provide that you think might help to establish notability, you can request a review at WP:DRV. Before you do that, you need to read the notability guidelines at WP:NACTOR and WP:GNG. In essence, Wikipedia requires significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. We cannot use IMDb, personal websites, self-published sources, or blogs. The mantra to keep in mind is "reliable" and "independent". Hope this helps. Cindy  ( talk to me ) 19:07, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

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Disingenuous?
Hi, I noted that on a page you have been editing Aaron Robinson (composer), on the talk page user:Music4ibc made a post [|diff] referring to Robinson in the 3rd person. I find that possibly disingenuous as until two weeks ago user:Music4ibc had Robinson's bio details on his user page, indeed Music4ibc is Robinson's Youtube channel name and Myspace page name. There is also an IP from the Maine public library system who talks about |"joining Wikipedia and trying to write" yet a day or two previous the same IP address is responding to | queries aimed at user:Impromp2Music, the creator of Robinson's page? I don't know enough to see if it's worth investigating whether this is socking/deception or friends/colleagues, either way it smells funny to me. Anyway, You seem to have the editing of the page under control. regards 78.86.229.157 (talk) 06:28, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Sad days. I have tried to work with this editor to no avail. Yet, clearly from what you have shown, there is socking going on. I was kinda in a wait and see mode. I knew that the two registered accounts were related, but wasn't sure whether they were socks or meat. They were all referring to the subject as Mr Robinson and using the same form of grammatical syntax and tone. They are also using a dynamic IP address, i.e., one that changes, rather than remaining the same. I would recommend going ahead and filing a sockpuppet investigation, asking for checkuser. If you need help, let me know. Cindy  ( talk to me ) 07:34, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
 * @Cindamuse. Are you aware of #Thats aweful! and #Transformerman at Impromp2' talk? Some very good teaching and kinship is happening aside from the possibility of sockpuppet potential. The editors impulsive imputation of you is "checked and mated". ```Buster Seven   Talk  09:35, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I did see that. I'm kinda in wait and watch mode with it right now. We'll see what happens. Cindy  ( talk to me ) 01:56, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

American Society for Metabolic & Bariatric Surgery
Cindamuse - I spoke with a user in Wikipedia chat today that verified my edits and removed copyrighted materials. The fact that an administrator via chat made these edits today is the reason I am wondering why they continue to be undone. The information posted there now is original. The information that was a direct copy-paste from the website was removed days ago in a section entitled "Mission". As you will notice even in the page that has been undone, it is no longer listed. The information being displayed is original and was written in-office. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LakeshiaMurphy (talk • contribs) 22:12, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, I removed the content that violated copyright protection, resolved issues with promotional content, removed content that may have been inappropriate due to the conflict of interest, then placed maintenance templates to highlight outstanding issues that need to be addressed. Then you restored all of the issues in violation of the encyclopedia's policies and guidelines. Alex is actually not an administrator, but rather a new editor. For further information, I have posted links on your user talkpage that point to the policies and guidelines of which I am speaking. Best regards, Cindy  ( talk to me ) 22:34, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

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Are you editing under IP 86.44.24.94?
Till 09:19, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Now, I'm guessing that you are seriously not asking an editor to disclose their IP address. What is your concern? What leads you to ask the question? Cindy  ( talk to me ) 09:32, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry! I just saw this and though it was you. Nevermind! Till 01:19, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks for the explanation! I can see how you would think the IP would be mine. I would never close a discussion that I opened. At the same time, it was a highly unusual situation for an IP user to close the discussion. In the end though, if another editor had closed it, the result would be the same. Anyway, hope all is well with you. Your work is appreciated... happy editing! Cindy  ( talk to me ) 05:29, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your kind words and letting me clear that up :) Till 22:54, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

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