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a relief
to see improvement of the west coast articles after all this time, it was a lonely haul for a while - if you are up to it - please email, if that's ok... JarrahTree 02:18, 19 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi there! Just seeing this now. My aim is to tackle architecture in Tasmania, firstly looking at its historical cinemas and theatres. I am new to Wikipedia so I may make a few mistakes, or make some faux pas edits unintentionally. I don't know how to email you? Haha CineBrick315 (talk) 04:20, 2 June 2022 (UTC)


 * beware the online sources like https://www.discovertasmania.com.au/about/articles/zeehan

they are by nature fickle and can disappear - if you dont have access to THRA items like Whithams volume - Whitham, Lindsay (2002). Railways, Mines, Pubs and People and other historical research. Sandy Bay: Tasmanian Historical Research Association. ISBN 0-909479-21-6. - I have a copy somewhere and will extract the article reference - specially when an item can be sourced from trove https://trove.nla.gov.au/work/33100965/version/266018972?keyword=whitham%20lindsay - it is much more secure and a valid WP:RS JarrahTree 05:31, 19 May 2022 (UTC)


 * This is good to know! Certainly hard when there's so few decent online sources for West Coast Tas. CineBrick315 (talk) 04:21, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Trove is always worth going through, however I have many books that would be probably in Cracked and Spineless... JarrahTree 10:22, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Something to note
WP:MOS -WP:EXT - we do not put external links in text of articles - if necessary - inside reference please... The Heemskirk mountain bike addition is a classic example of what is advised against... JarrahTree 10:19, 5 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Oh I see - it's because the newspaper links (The Advocate) require payment to view? CineBrick315 (talk) 23:48, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Sincere apology - wrong article - Derby - https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Derby,_Tasmania&type=revision&diff=1091602317&oldid=1091592724&diffmode=source we try for the sake of the rules in WP:MOS to not have external links in text, they need to be inside references... so, no its not Heemskirk or the Advocate... apologies for the wrong article. JarrahTree 04:28, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

Queenstown's halls/theatres
The Metropole (sic) and Capitol were important community locations, and in Trove, they had a range of functions by local groups, and it would require a more thorough search on the 1930s newspaper items it clarify the assertion that they were fair competition as cinemas - the Paragon is indeed a great location reflecting the changes in the community - my rough checking so far suggests they deserve stubs in themselves, in view of what was held in them... JarrahTree 10:16, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Theatres and Cinemas
would fit much better with the usual category of x  in state and territories - rather than state only...

See the ancestral/parent category which would be - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Entertainment_venues_in_Australia_by_state_or_territory

to create a whole new set of cats without checking what the larger parent category is a common mistake....

Please look more carefully in the future when creating new cats, specially other countries or other related subjects to see what the larger context might be - thanks. JarrahTree 05:25, 24 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Thank you for this! CineBrick315 (talk) 05:53, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

For a very clear understanding of the long established practice - look at

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Categories_by_state_or_territory_of_Australia  JarrahTree 05:32, 24 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Excellent CineBrick315 (talk) 05:53, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * so if you look at my recent edits - it is possible to modify the x by state (cinema or theatre) to add or territory to line up with the new category... if it fits and looks ok... JarrahTree 06:03, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh hell - if you are going to create the template - there is the precedent issue - why just tas - why not all other states - and if you are really going to do it, you will have to have a much clearer understanding of relevant categories, and while you are at it - try editing talk pages to add the relevant projects, if you go running, there's a lot of crawling still to do... JarrahTree 06:14, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi there! Yes I got the idea from here
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Cinemas_in_Western_Australia
 * For cinephiles such as myself having such a template on each theatre page will make navigation easier. CineBrick315 (talk) 07:29, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I have updated all affiliated pages with "* or territory" to line up with the new category. There is now two empty categories:
 * Cinemas in Australia by state‎ (empty)
 * Theatres in Australia by state‎ (empty)
 * I will recommend that they are deleted on their talk pages. CineBrick315 (talk) 07:48, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

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next
have a good look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Twinkle

and inside your preferences page - and you will see there is a way to recommend CSD from your twinkle app - which is an efficient way to recommend a cat when it is empty... JarrahTree 09:00, 24 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Thank you JarrahTree, I've just installed it. CineBrick315 (talk) 01:45, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I do hope you get something out of it, it has a marvellous array of things. JarrahTree 12:19, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

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 * Understood, I will try and reword the deleted information. CineBrick315 (talk) 00:42, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

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 * Thank you ✠ SunDawn ✠ I appreciate it. I am (slowly) working through all major theatrical and cinematic buildings in Tasmania. The Odeon Theatre, Hobart, National Theatre, Launceston and the Gaiety Theatre, Zeehan are my favourites so far, if you have time to check them out it'd be greatly appreciated. CineBrick315 (talk) 04:53, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

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There is information supplied about copyright and rights in the message from Admin DanCherek above - it would appear that you have uploaded and utilized images that are not complying with the requirements of what is required for wikipedia. It has got to the point where, in your very positive involvement in increasing content of Tasmanian subject area, the understanding of what is possible (or not) has not caught up yet.

It would be very useful for you, and any other reviewing person(s) for you to explain in your words and understanding, why you think the two images in the article about Burnie are valid contributions....

If you are caught short by such a request, another way of thinking about it, is to have a look at the explanations: -


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If you have any questions, ask! If you keep uploading images that cannot be identified as having permissions being within the requirements, you can be blocked. We would not want that, as you are creating good content for the Tasmanian project. You need to sort out what you cannot upload (lack of suitable permissions ) and understand very clearly that simply uploading 'found' items from on the internet may have no sign of anything that releases the images from copyright constraints. JarrahTree 05:29, 12 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi there, thanks for your message. I am slowly working my way through a lot of this, though admittedly I often find I read something then completely forget about it a month later! I have permission from the author for the coloured image and the other is in the public domain. I will do some research on their permissions and update the image's details shortly. CineBrick315 (talk) 00:13, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
 * But in the meantime your uploads can be deleted, as they do not have any indication that in fact the photographs are actually not adequately identified as being given permission to reproduce... Very important to clarify the issue sooner than later... Ask for help rather than put off... JarrahTree 04:22, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you and I appreciate the concern. I have amended them both now. Could I ask that you review the permissions for me?
 * https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Burnie_Theatre,_Tasmania_1950s.jpg
 * https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Burnie_Theatre_facade_in_1966.jpg
 * Any pointers would be greatly appreciated. CineBrick315 (talk) 12:56, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
 * apologies in delay in replying JarrahTree 12:13, 16 August 2022 (UTC)


 * https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Burnie_Theatre,_Tasmania_1950s.jpg - the claim in the section english description that australian and us copyright rules coincide on PD, as far as I know, is not correct... but not sure where the link on that exists...


 * https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Burnie_Theatre_facade_in_1966.jpg

Permission claim requires some sort of link or backup to clarify - if the photographer gives permission for use under wikipedia requirements - more is needed... JarrahTree 12:18, 22 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Interesting in both cases. Regarding the permissions of the original photographer, what may constitute? I am wondering if it is easier to ask him to re-upload the image from his own account? Regarding the public domain of the black and white image, information can be referenced from the Australian Copyright Council's Photographers & Copyright Fact Sheet (downloadable PDF) and the Department of Communications and the Arts Duration of copyright documents. Both state that images taken before 1955 are in the public domain. Am I on the right path here? CineBrick315 (talk) 06:30, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
 * very close - but permission from photographers (or owner of copyright) for after 1955 - also involves requirememnt of understanding the wikipedia side of licensing/rights - JarrahTree 01:35, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * even better go back to Dan Cherek's message above - the last three paragraphs are worth reading again, and exploring the links - there should be sufficient explanation of the issues there. Well worth a re-read or checking... JarrahTree 01:48, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you JarrahTree CineBrick315 (talk) 10:50, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Mountains of the West Coast
OK, it is possible to accept Mount Zeehan, the small hill that it is, as being in Zeehan, no problems - but in that part of the west coast to have Mount Heemskirk as being within the ambit of Zeehan, is like saying that Renison Bell is a suburb of Zeehan - not on. The short distances between separated named features in the area between Zeehan and Mount Read are problematic enough, and the differentiations are completely confounded by absurd locality names for unincorporated areas, but Mount Heemskirk is not in or part of Zeehan, or alternatively Mount Zeehan is not part of the Heemskirk Range. JarrahTree 01:37, 25 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Rightio :) CineBrick315 (talk) 10:50, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

g'day from the mainland
the antartic division indeed is in kingston (I have been there...) but kingston is in hobart as well - in categories we dont have parent and child cats in the same place - see the full story at - Categorization, and the subsequent parts/sections. Thanks. JarrahTree 10:42, 6 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Ah I see! Thanks, I will amend this and a few other affected articles CineBrick315 (talk) 10:49, 6 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Ultimately its no big deal, as once you get used to checking it - you might even find others have added parent/child cats where adult/child cats occur - for english wikipedia it is taken seriously, in commons it is less strictly policed, it seems... JarrahTree 13:12, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

I am sure there is a fine line
WP:NOTGALLERY and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Image_use_policy#Image_galleries - not sure whether it's worth getting carried away too much with the idea of adding photos - JarrahTree 12:25, 22 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Good evening! Gotcha. Some of the historical images added illustrate physical changes to the built environment and surrounds that I find visually interesting. For instance on Davey Street, Hobart, prior to the construction of the Hotel Grand Chancellor, Hobart the road did not connect with the Brooker Highway as it does today. Having an image of the historical streetscape assists readers. I understand there are others less important that I've been playing with however, such as the Wrest Point Hotel Casino. CineBrick315 (talk) 12:34, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * hmm I would say more text with the images would help your argument - you are explaining here, but in the text with the photo it maybe might be worth a bit more than just a few words... bearing in mind some enthusiasts will dive in delete the lot regardless... context at the image coal face might make them think twice. Good arguments here (and your argument is good) are not the resolution of the issue - its defence against the turkeys that is required, should they venture your way... JarrahTree 13:12, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay, sounds good! CineBrick315 (talk) 23:52, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

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In most cases - just leave a comment at the project page - most tasmanian articles and templates have minimal page watchers, even less engaged watchers, so for the record better to leave a comment somewhere and go ahead with the action. Edit summary space is not the place to leave the comment. You are correct - demolished items are not valid landmarks. JarrahTree 11:03, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

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Nope
The talk page which you have left a well thought out item -

I think the issue is a bit more complicated - the talk page https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&range=latest-90&pages=Talk:British_colonisation_of_Tasmania  is one thing  (0 average readers)

But hangon - precedence and consistency and continuity within the project:


 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:British_colonisation_of_Oceania

and the subsequent variant approaches at each state/colony means that to just do one like Tasmania, the exceptionalism is not a help. The large issue of 'dual naming' is one which goes for capital cities of each state as well. So the reason for 'nope' -


 * the message is to a silent page


 * the change of name to one I do not agree with - the dual name format is what I see as a good compromise. It is likely that if the dual names for capital city conversation is any clue - this is where I bow out. The overall demeanour of the editors and style and manner of discussion around city names, is not why I became an editor.  Best of luck.  JarrahTree 12:00, 19 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello JarrahTree! It's been a little while - I hope you are well. I agree with dual naming and understand its case-by-case complexities. In time I believe the Wiki will go this way.
 * Regarding the British colonisation of Tasmania article, given the specific historic time period between 1803 and 1830, when in the western world knew the island as Van Diemen's Land, I still think the article could be named British colonisation of Van Diemen's Land and it would be more accurate. The Mongol invasion of Persia article isn't called the Mongol invasion of Iran for comparison, however the modern location of Iran is acknowledged in the article's infobox.
 * Of course, as a silent article, it makes little difference at the moment what it is called, but as discussions surrounding colonialism become more commonplace in Tasmania, I can see the article becoming more useful and referenced over time. CineBrick315 (talk) 10:56, 21 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your greetings so civil! (Getting over a horrible flu) I agree with you about the more specific article name. JarrahTree 11:07, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I hope you get well soon! CineBrick315 (talk) 09:29, 22 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the wishes - JarrahTree 10:06, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Hobart meetup
Hi CineBrick315, just letting you know there will be a Hobart meetup on Saturday, 3 June 2023. Details are on Meetup/Hobart/4. Hopefully you can join us. Jimmyjrg (talk) 06:32, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

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Please
When in sandbox - please do not create live categories... it would be appreciated if you nowiki them until you have taken the item live... thanks JarrahTree 13:07, 8 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Ah, I see! Thank you CineBrick315 (talk) 02:44, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
 * It is really no big deal, but if you have a large number of possible categories - and they linger long (during the fixing up process) they attract attention... JarrahTree 03:06, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
 * apparently there also other ways to attract attention, unnecessarily, is leaving trove refs in caps - WP:SHOUTING offends some and it is worth 'de-capitalising' trove refs where ever possible...
 * Wow, you have done an article about Boyer mill! Well done. JarrahTree 15:20, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I've also learnt a lot about the functionality of pulp and paper mills / Tasmanian industry in the process CineBrick315 (talk) 12:15, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
 * It's a nightmare in the environmental sense, but the material for that is another story JarrahTree 12:22, 12 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Trust all is well, .... Re Main Street Zeehan, thanks for your work! but please beware the tone and WP:weasel - and the nature of encyclopediac tone - please... If necessary I can explain... JarrahTree 14:02, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello! Yes It's very drafty at the moment... I'll have to revise it again in the morning. I should really be working in my sandbox! CineBrick315 (talk) 14:06, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
 * But I would imagine my old house in Queenstown is even draughtier...
 * I think the hotels of zeehan and queenstown could almost be in separate categories, if we can find enough refs to have separate articles... the
 * whitham material (lindsay the son of Charles Whitham I am sure had an article about the number of hotels in Zeehan...
 * it's there JarrahTree 14:14, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Wonderful you have a direct history with the area. Although I have no direct connection, I am fascinated by the West Coast. I will continue to contribute to its pages, as I read new things, as articles get published and I advance my Wiki coding skillset. :) CineBrick315 (talk) 04:17, 13 October 2023 (UTC)


 * The bizarre usage of mainstreet zeehan in Bay_of_Fires_(TV_series) was outright weird, imho. JarrahTree

templates and colours/colors
As far as I can tell there are no strictures on modifications in oz templates. Best just to do it, and wait and see.... JarrahTree 03:08, 13 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Very interesting! I might just try a few things and see where it gets me! CineBrick315 (talk) 04:13, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * read my deleted more historically elusive/allusive message (I assume you know how to trawl through your page's edit history) the editor named in there is particularly good with templates... JarrahTree 04:21, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * intriguing - just came across - overcoloured (with curly brackets at either side) JarrahTree 12:03, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

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