User talk:Cinosaur/Archive 1

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Well, you made a good effort, but it is obvious that a few editors are willing to spend all the time it takes to block any attempt to discuss the various social criticisms of the film that are being discussed in the press. I really can't spend the time to argue with them. All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 14:27, 18 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the message. I'll try to look into it.  I note that, IMO, the Performance Analysis section is too long.  It is no longer so important to discuss, in such detail, that people underestimated the box office appeal of the film before it opened.  I would say that this stuff should be reduced in light of the fact that the film has now opened successfully and become a blockbuster.  If some of the less notable "old" information in the article were streamlined, there might be more room in it for the discussion of important themes.  Besides, the article is really not that long.  All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 07:40, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Request for Feedback
Hello Cinosaur. I appreciate your advocacy on the Avatar edit. I was wonderingn if you'd like to take a look at this page before I post it. I welcome your feedback http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Amandaroyal/International_media_reaction_to_Barack_Obama%27s_election —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amandaroyal (talk • contribs) 06:16, 12 February 2010 (UTC) oops, that was me --Amandaroyal (talk) 06:19, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

SPI
Note: your name has been added to a list of possible sockpuppets on this page. Please don't be alarmed; there is no presumption of guilt involved here, and it is often necessary to mention names who are likely innocent but just happened to cross paths with the person who is the subject of the investigation.  — Soap  —  03:42, 15 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the heads-up, Soap. Answered there. Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 05:00, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

File permission problem with File:Krishna as avatar.jpg
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 * Forwarded the permission email per your request. Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 07:58, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Main Edges‎
Just a note, Main Edges‎ has been blocked for abusing multiple accounts. So he won't be a problem anymore, he also won't be able to answer your post, as his talk page access has been revoked. You can find a little more information out here. -  NeutralHomer •  Talk  • 04:38, 15 February 2010 (UTC) Also note that you were listed because the lister found it rather suspicious that you knew the ropes. All's right now, and the editor even expressed doubt of the relation on my talk page. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 04:45, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Article theft
That's a good topic to delve into. Unless they copied and pasted the article, you can just usually warn the editor and move it back. If they copied it, get an administrator involved because they will hopefully know what to do with that. If you want, you can still move it back into the userspace now. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 05:03, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply Kevin. We have decided to take this theft as a blessing in disguise and continue editing it in mainspace. Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 06:39, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Themes in Avatar
I have merged the history of your sandboxed version of the article into the mainspace version. Someguy1221 (talk) 05:01, 15 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Someguy1221. What do I do next time when somebody steals my articles? I am relatively new to Wiki and do not know all the rules and guidelines yet. Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 05:04, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Look up. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 05:06, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Regarding the user Main Edges
I know your new to Wikipedia, but the checkuser has already been run there, and User:Main Edges was confirmed to be a new account of an old banned user who was simply "taking a piss" as it were. Pay it no more mind at all, the account has been blocked, and there's nothing more to deal with here. Its his standard modus operandi; he shows up at Wikipedia every few days under new accounts trying to be a general pain in the ass. Its been taken care of, so further comment isn't needed. -- Jayron  32  05:23, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Exhibition of excellence!

 * As I stated in the award justification above, your modification was able to beautifully capture the critical intent of my edit while providing for brevity and ease of reading -- and in a single word, no less (umm...no more? :)  DRosenbach  ( Talk 18:06, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Avatar themes
Hi. I started proofreading and got about halfway through. There's lots of good material there, but I'm not sure it's presented in the most logical order. I'll finish proofreading tomorrow. I suggest that you keep adding material, and when you think you really have all the themes covered, we can reconsider the organization. Also, it seems to me that (the first half, at least), gives very short shrift to the criticism by conservatives and others. If you want this article to be rigorous, you need to cover all the major criticism of the themes, and criticism of the filmmaking itself, such as that the bad guys are too obvious and superficial - there is no real conflict for Jake; his choice is made very clear. -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:00, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your thorough revision and yes, I will try to come up with more material to balance the article out. Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 05:07, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

I finished the first round of proofreading. I think the second half of the article reads a little better than the first, but perhaps that is because the first half of the article does the heavy lifting in terms of trying to organize and introduce the subject. Come back at me in a few weeks if the article has rounded out more, and I'll be happy to give it another look. Thanks for creating the article, which I think fills in something that really deserves more discussion than the main article can give it. Also, thanks for the barnstar, although I don't know if I really earned it yet! All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 14:38, 16 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Many thanks again, SSilvers, for your fine ce job. I've kept musing, though, on how to balance out what you saw as "very short shrift to the criticism by conservatives" in the article. Looks like criticism of the movie itself is in the realm of the main article. I would be happy to include more left-wing critics, but have not found any worthwhile ones yet. Do you have any suggestions? Also, since I am relatively new to Wiki, what is the process to request for the article's quality assessment? Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 14:49, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Here are a couple of quick links that you can follow up: -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:03, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
 * http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/the_big_picture/2010/01/avatar-why-do-conservatives-hate-the-most-popular-movie-in-years.html
 * http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2010/01/is_blue_the_new_black_why_some.html
 * http://www.slate.com/id/2241542/
 * http://io9.com/5422666/when-will-white-people-stop-making-movies-like-avatar
 * http://ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/criticism-avatar-spiritualism-base
 * http://theamericanscene.com/2009/12/21/on-political-film-criticism
 * http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/jan/11/mawkish-maybe-avatar-profound-important
 * http://www.themovieblog.com/2009/12/avatar-encites-political-and-religious-criticism
 * http://bossip.com/202343/recent-criticism-of-the-box-office-hit-avatar-states-the-film-exploits-racist-themes/
 * http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,26561642-27197,00.html
 * http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjmnolte/2009/12/11/review-camerons-avatar-is-a-big-dull-america-hating-pc-revenge-fantasy/
 * http://www.thenewstribune.com/tacoma/24hour/consumer/outdoors/story/1061680.html


 * Wow! Many thanks. io9.com is already included here, will work on the rest. Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 04:34, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks!
For the barnstar!! AniRaptor2001 (talk) 06:04, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Thank you.
Thank you for my Barnstar. The first thing I thought when I saw it was, "This will be a good place for Cinosaur to implement his cited thematics." Little did I know it was actually your article which was stolen from you, lol. It's looking good though, a little work and you could have it GA status eventually. Keep up the good work. DrNegative (talk) 04:57, 18 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks DrNegative. May I count on your input towards its improvement, given the 3 GA articles already on your stripes? I did not realize now much work it would be before I started it. Oh well. Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 05:09, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Avatar environmental theme pic candidates
I found four pics, which qualify for fair-use, that could all represent the environmental theme subsection quite well. I was wondering if you would look at the four I have uploaded to my Flickr account and tell me which is your favorite. After that I can choose one and attach fair-use rationales, copyright notices, etc.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/25451300@N06/sets/72157623343106345/ DrNegative (talk) 18:34, 19 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Many thanks. I guess this one is the most descriptive of them. Do you think it could use a slightly better resolution without violating fair use guidelines? Cinosaur (talk) 00:28, 20 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I added that one and cropped it for a higher resolution. I also added it to the article as a thumbnail. Let me know what you think. DrNegative (talk) 00:56, 20 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks. That looks good. As you could see, there is a new section for the bulldozer theme now, called State vs. citizens, and I guess this image should shift to there. As for Technology vs. Culture and Environment, would you mind having a look at this one and see if we can use it under fair use? Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 01:02, 20 February 2010 (UTC)


 * My apologies, I wasn't aware of the new section. And yes, that photo was a press release photo released by Fox and would qualify as fair-use as long as we give a good rationale as to why are using it like we have the others. DrNegative (talk) 01:06, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

No worries! (c)Aussie. :) Would you mind adding that new screenshot to Technology vs. Environment as well? Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 01:27, 20 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Added. Needs a caption, shes all yours. :) DrNegative (talk) 01:44, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Kudos! Cinosaur (talk) 01:50, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh and one other thing, if you feel the need to, the first pic that I uploaded for the article with the air strike shown now, was a bunch of soldiers on the ground firing their weapons. You can click on the picture and revert it to that previous version of it (the soldiers) - if you think showing two separate pics of the same helicopters within the article is too much. Otherwise disregard this statement. DrNegative (talk) 01:54, 20 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Good point. ✅. Cinosaur (talk) 03:15, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Cameron interview
Cinosaur, check out this Terry Gross interview with James Cameron. (From Amandaroyal, now signing with a new signature) --Panda609 18:44, 22 February 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amandaroyal (talk • contribs)


 * Thanks, Amandaroyal. I will see where it fits. Or have you got an idea? Cinosaur (talk) 02:48, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


 * What struck me the most was that he acknowledged that the images that reminded viewers of Iraq or Vietnam were "by design." Also, he said he admired Marines a lot, and made the main character a Marine because he brother was a Marine. He also said that "with all the talk about this movie, nobody has mentioned that the main character is disabled." So Terry Gross said what she got from that is that it reminded her of when children think anything is possible, and dream about flying and Cameron says "you are onto something." I wonder what's out there on the disability/dreaming of possibilities theme? --Panda609 (talk) 00:41, 27 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, I meant to create a subsection Human guilt and aspirations under Social and cultural themes to accommodate that part of her review, as well as a number of similar points, but have not got to implementing it yet. Do you want to do it yourself? Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 05:35, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Have a look here and see if you like it. Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 11:45, 27 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I like it very much. I'm glad you block quoted what Cameron said about dreaming. It really struck me. --Panda609 (talk) 21:03, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Article lead
Hi. Don't worry if we don't get the Lead exactly the way we want it the first time. We can always refine it more, and no doubt it will change more as the article continues to evolve. BTW, as for the Los Angeles Times quote, I think it gives perspective to the whole article: Although an article about themes is of encyclopedic interest since the themes have gotten much media attention, the writer of the article is saying that we should bear in mind that all of this controversy has grown out of a movie that is, at it's core, NOT an intellectual movie, but rather an action-adventure sci-fi entertainment, with a familiar love story, designed to showcase lots of gee-whiz special effects. :-) All the best!  -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:42, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

International media reaction to Barack Obama's 2008 election
Hi Cinosaur, International media reaction to Barack Obama's 2008 election is live. I'm going to add the pics back today. I fixed the sourcing. That's what most people seemed concerned about. --Panda609 16:23, 24 February 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amandaroyal (talk • contribs)
 * Congratulations, Panda609. The article looks and reads quite well. Are you going to plug it into the main article on Barack Obama as a See also: article? Sorry that I could not be of much assistance in wroking on the draft, but you actually did not need any. Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 16:49, 24 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I plugged it into the main article today. Two hours and counting and it's still there! Crossing my fingers. How do I get the darn thing reviewed so I can take that tag off the top?--Panda609 (talk) 00:46, 27 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I have assessed it C-class and High importance under Barack Obama project to solicit a further review by one of the project's editors. Cinosaur (talk) 05:37, 27 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you!--Panda609 (talk) 21:02, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

A few excerpts that you requested from the video (All quotes of Cameron)
"I wanted an environmental theme in there, I wanted a spiritual theme in there, but the studio of course in their way tried to get me to down-peddle that."

"It was common wisdom prior to Avatar that you don't do that in a mainstream film." --Cameron talking about using an environmental or political message.

"It was death, if it got out that there was an environmental message in this film it would cost us 50% of our box-office."

"There were requests to cut down on the hippie, tree-hugging stuff, but that was why I was wanting to make the film. It was the fundamental driver."

"We are going to go through a lot of pain and heartache if we don't acknowledge our stewardship responsibilities to nature." -- in response to one of the messages he hopes the audience gets from the film

"People are connecting to the message of the film as well as the visuals."

"It's the Russo fantasy of the noble savage but thats why the film works."

"I think the fact that people respond to the Na'vi, respond to their philosophy of connectedness to the earth and to each other, means that we have that within ourselves."

"I reject that" - in response to some critics' view of the film being racist

"I think [critics] are looking at the film from a civil-rights aspect instead of a historical perspective. When indigenous populations who are at a bow and arrow level are met with technological superior forces, [the indigenous] lose. If somebody doesn't help them, they lose. So we are not talking about a racial group within an existing population fighting for their rights."

"Absolutely not" -- when asked if the noble savage can win alone.

"I've already talked about the 'White Messiah' concept and how I think that thats not appropriate, its not germane to what the movie is doing"

"We are in uncharted territory with this movie because its a big $200+ million four-year production, big mainstream Hollywood picture that is dealing with socio-political, cultural, environmental themes. The studios try to stay away from that stuff because they don't want to lose one ticket sale to somebody who might be upset by a message. Every movie is a big experiment, and sometimes social experiments, and I was hoping that there was a way to create an emotional reaction and gravitate the public conversation to these topics."

"You have to find a key into the heart of the audience which means you have to find universals of human experience and then express them in exotic new ways. So you gotta find something that people recognize, simple as boy meets girl."


 * Great quotes, DrNegative! Many many thanks. Will work on them now. I would also like to add the video to the article, at least as an external media reference, if copyright prohibits us from downloading and using the video file itself. What do you think? Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 00:55, 4 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Oops, I just noticed the Transcript tab on the video page. Sorry for having you look through the video unnecessarily, DrNegative, I could have gone through the transcript myself. I really appreciate your help and hope you have not wasted too much of your time on this. Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 01:06, 4 March 2010 (UTC)


 * LOL! Its ok. I am actually pissed at myself because I didn't see it either. It would be nice to embed the video if policy would allow us. Might have to ask on the Copyright board if its legal to do so because it is an excellent video considering the subject matter. DrNegative (talk) 01:42, 4 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Out of curiosity spent half an hour loading the first minute of the show :) -- it's interesting that Cameron used the traditional Indian greeting gesture by folding his palms at 0:47. Where has he gotten that from, I wonder? Cinosaur (talk) 16:53, 4 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I have noticed him do that in several other interviews as well. Probably his little formal way of saying thanks. Definitely not something you see someone do in American or Canadian culture often so you may be on to something there. It seems he picked that up from somewhere. DrNegative (talk) 21:21, 4 March 2010 (UTC)


 * On another note, your additions using this source all look great. You actually taught me that Wikipedia has an "External video" template that I didn't even know existed. DrNegative (talk) 19:59, 5 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, it's a great source in the first place, and the one I would have been very unlikely to discover and tap into if it were not for you. Thank you very much! Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 00:20, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Slight delay
Hi. Please give me a couple of days on the review and copy edit. You caught me with a busy week ahead. I'll try to make progress little by little. Thanks for your patience! -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:59, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 * SSilvers, please do not embarrass me by asking for time and patience. Rather, I am very grateful to you and other editors for your going out of your respective ways to contribute to this article to such a significant extent. Much obliged. Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 05:56, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Re: the template discussion, I don't want to disagree with you there, but I thought I would give you my opinion here, and you can delete this message if you don't want it here. IMO, the template seems entirely unnecessary. The article already has a table of contents for easy navigation. You don't want to clutter up articles with templates unless they are really helpful. If anything, I think there are already way too many templates. Just my opinion. All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 07:08, 7 March 2010 (UTC)


 * SSilvers, thanks for your tact and for the friendly advice. I agree that the template is somewhat redundant at the moment, but was thinking ahead of time when we have 2 more articles on Avatar's sequels. From what I could gather, the Themes in Avatar article is seen by some editors (myself included) as a future repository for themes from all the three films, when it may be handy to have a navigation template. But, again, I agree that the template may be premature, and will comply with the Wiki guidelines and consensus. Besides, dealing with deletion discussions is a good learning curve for me. Thanks and regards, Cinosaur (talk) 07:25, 7 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I have agreed to deletion. Cinosaur (talk) 01:48, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

translations
Hi Cinosaur. I did submit a request for that one and they did it, but they are pretty selective. It has to be an article about the U.S. They also try to provide content from a variety of countries on a variety of topics. So I think I just got lucky. --Panda609 (talk) 22:33, 8 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Cinosaur (talk) 03:39, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Featured picture candidates/Vishnu on Garuda
I am privileged by the FPC, but it will fail due to its low resolution. About Themes_in_Avatar, I suggest instead of File:Krishna as avatar.jpg, a more authentic image of Krishna be used. Also permission for File:Krishna as avatar.jpg needs to sent by WP:OTRS system. I am also nominating File:Rama with Bow and Arrows.jpg for deletion as it has no proof of over 60 years claim. The image is IMO is more than 1990s poster art. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 17:26, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your comment. I have aleady sent an authorization email for the image of Krishna, although I agree that a more authentic image would be better. I have just not found one yet. Do you have a suggestion? As for FfD nomination, I answered there. Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 02:21, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for uploading the new Rama picture. Added it to Rama infobox. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 05:00, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Happy Ramnavami! Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 05:05, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Happy Ramnavami to you too. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 05:06, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
 * V & A has low resolution images of Rama and Krishna. Where did you get the higher resolution images? I was searching for some imgs for Hinduism articles. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 02:17, 27 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I wrote to them and they mailed them to me. I thought that using higher definition images will improve the article and provide for possible FP nominations. Cinosaur (talk) 02:24, 27 March 2010 (UTC)


 * What did you write to them? Did they charge?
 * I not sure about the copyright issue, though by PD-art: all art goes into PD after 100 years. The images you uploaded are much older. I have contacted User:Elcobbola on his/her commons page. (s)he is an expert in copyright of images, who helped me by educating me about image copyright. I will let you know the result of the correspondence. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 04:57, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

This is the reply to a query regarding the use of their high-def images on Wiki:

Thanks for your email and for your interest in our image service.

We do not individually check the applications, it is an automated service - you will have been sent the image even though your stated use does not meet the terms and conditions. Thus you will not be able to use the image on Wikipedia.

The image service is intended to supply medium resolution images for academic or educational publishing in low print runs, not for online use.

We generally encourage and allow low-res images on our website to be used for non-commercial purposes online, but Wikipedia excludes itself from this because it only allows images that do not retain any such claim and can be used commercially. While we encourage Wikipedia editors to reference British Museum material, the Museum does rely in part on income generated from image licensing, and we are not currently able to change our terms and conditions.

Some Wikipedians say that since the images themselves are in PD due to their age, their digitized copies cannot be under any copyright, regardless of their resolution and of the Terms and conditions that archive holders ask people to agree to prior to mailing them the images. Claims otherwise and attempts to impose restrictions on the use of such images online may constitute Copyfraud. Or are they wrong? Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 12:25, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Please add this to, who I have already contacted. He/she is also an admin on commons. Elcobbola may also know for a proper platform for a larger discussion. IMO, commons being wiki's img repositry, is the best place to discuss this. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 13:48, 27 March 2010 (UTC)


 * ✅ Cinosaur (talk) 14:38, 27 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Please read my talk to see Elcobbola's reply. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 16:15, 27 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Good news. Cinosaur (talk) 17:04, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Finds/considers
This is very funny, because this Anon used "finds" exactly the same way here. :-) -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:04, 20 March 2010 (UTC)


 * And here. Do these changes make any difference or imrpovement? What is their point? On a separare point, SSilvers, did you intend to say "Religious and mythology" as opposed to "Religion and mythology"? Cinosaur (talk) 06:04, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

No, just a typo, sorry! Fixed now. -- Ssilvers (talk) 14:34, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Themes in Avatar
For what it's worth, I think renaming the article is a very bad idea. The word "interpretations" is vague and adds nothing. The title of articles should be as short as possible - it makes it hard to find things, and more likely that searchers will have trouble typing long titles into the search box. only one user, who never wrote an article, really wants to change the name. Plus, the MOS says that editors should respect stylistic choices made by article creators unless there is a good reason to change something. The idea that we should be "open" to silly ideas is, er, not constructive. -- Ssilvers (talk) 07:03, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the word of caution. I have made it clear there that I do not favor the renaming motion. Could you please answer my question above re. Religious/Religion? Cinosaur (talk) 08:13, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I added my comments at the Peer review and also added the Fair Use summary to the image. I'm not watching any of these articles, so feel free to come back to my talk page if you have further questions.  All the best!  -- Ssilvers (talk) 15:59, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I also suggested a change in one of the captions to try to relate the two adjoining sections on 9-11 and civilization. The double image was nifty, but we have too many images, and the bulldozer image makes the point very clearly by itself.  Also, the Home Tree destruction image was a better one to use above than the one we had, since it looks even more like the destruction of the World Trade Center.  If you disagree strongly, feel free to revert.  All the best,  -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:20, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the message. OK, I took a shot at expanding the lead per WP:LEAD. Probably others can refine it further. It is better not to have too many refs in the Lead section, since they are used below in the more detailed discussion, and we don't want to make casual readers wade through an intro bristling with too many refs. Would you kindly go thru the refs in the Lead section, and if any are not really needed up there, delete them (or move the full cite down to where it re-appears below). All the best! -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:06, 25 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Hey, check this new article out!  Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:02, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Re: Cowherd - there's nothing wrong with it, except that it's an irrelevant red herring. Unless you are comparing things to Avatar, they don't belong in the article, so, unless I am missing something, Cowherd is irrelevant and introducing irrelevancies takes the reader's eye off the ball. The article doesn't serve the picture, the picture serves the article. Makes sense? -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:54, 26 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I took a VERY quick look at the diff you sent me, and your changes seem OK. I watch over 1500 articles, and you're doing a great job here, so I have retired from proofreading this article and no longer watch it.  If you have substantive issues on which you want my input, though feel free to ask.  I will say one word about WP:DASH:  You should not have space mdash space.  The MOS says that you can either have no spaces with an mdash or a spaced ndash: space ndash space.   I personally find the spaced ndash the most attractive.  -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:24, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Themes in Avatar
The article Themes in Avatar you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Themes in Avatar for eventual comments about the article. Well done! Pyrotec (talk) 14:42, 18 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Best of luck. I suggest that you have a look at Featured article candidates so that you know what to expect. Pyrotec (talk) 17:24, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

File:11 Septemper attack WTC burning.jpg
The image is free and much better. Worth adding to 9/11 page too. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 12:27, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
 * That's a problem. Still the current 9/11 img in the article needs to go. It is an invalid fair use. It is easy to resolve the images, but you need to answer the more fundamental question: why this nomination NOT premature? (WP:FA? criteria 1b, 1c concerns) I suggest you withdraw the nomination now and renominate after 6-12 months, when this question would not crop up. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 04:47, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Themes in Avatar FAC
I processed the closure; remember to leave the featured article candidates template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Thanks for being so gracious in the face of what must have seemed like a sudden onslaught of criticism; not everyone would have responded like that. On the particular issue I brought up, the reason I haven't opposed the nomination is because I don't know if I'm being unfair. As I say, I'm sure the article is a comprehensive summary of the subject as of now; the mere potential for further material at some fuzzily-defined point in the future might not even be an actionable oppose. After all, a particularly strict (if silly) interpretation of 1b and 1c would mean that no subject could ever be eligible for featured status. So, where does it go from here? My recommendation is that you get some wider feedback from those in the know, perhaps at Wikipedia talk:Featured article criteria or Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. If they take a look at the issue and counsel that 1a and 1b aren't relevant here, I wouldn't oppose if you nominated it again. All the best, Steve  T • C 08:35, 20 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Well I can see how you misinterpreted it as a request that you take it to FAC. I still actually think it needs abit of prose work and polishing to meet FA requirements. It is very rare that an article is entirely read for FA so soon after passing GA. It is an excellent article and almost there for sure. I won't oppose or support the FAC I'll let other decide that. But in the current situation I think it has the potential to pass within a few weeks. If not this time then with a bit of work maybe in a few weeks. The mention that more book sources are needed is a valid one but that can't be the sole reason for failing it. FACs should be based on the sources that exist at the present and I believe it is a highly comprehensive article in the current climate. It would be nice for book sources to be added as they are published though. Dr. Blofeld       White cat 16:46, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Now that you've seen some of the reality of FAC, I'd like to give some typically gloomy advice, for which I hereby apologize in advance. I disagree with Steve: If you had left the nomination at FAC longer, you'd have gotten harsher comments from the FAC regulars. They hadn't even begun to challenge whether all the refs are WP:RS, and I believe that quite a few will be challenged at FAC. I would let this article sit for at least nine months or a year, before bringing it to FA. First of all, I think there will, indeed, be more "mature" commentary after about six months than there is now. I bet you that several eager beavers are at work right now rushing to get books about this film into print while it's still hot - the director's cut with expanded DVD features will be out in November (is that date still right?) and you will be able to quote commentary from that. As Dr. Blofeld notes, the prose still needs work: this is largely because the article consists of dozens of quotes and short descriptions of reviews. I think you will be able to write a better narrative by waiting for better source materials describing the film's themes, which will be able to replace, in some cases, our attempts to synthesize lots of disparate news articles. Then, we'll need a new peer review. Meanwhile, I suggest, keep tweaking things, looking for free images, and girding your loins. By the way, with respect to the image captions that were criticized, I agree with the commentator: We can't just say "Reviewers noted that x in the film looked like y". We need to be more specific. Maybe something like this: "The depiction of soldiers moving through the jungles of Pandora with automatic weapons reminded reviewers of images from the Vietnam War." In any case, it is no shame that the article does not yet qualify for FA: It's remarkable that this type of daughter article got to GA, because it is at a natural disadvantage. All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 02:37, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Last paragraph of Critical reception Avatar (2009 film)
Hi. I thought your recent edit was an improvement, but unfortunately the paragraph may have a basic problem that can't be cured. This was brought up and discussed at the peer review and discussed at the article talk page. Any comments you would like to make at either of those places would be welcomed. Regards, --Bob K31416 (talk) 16:17, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

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Hey Cinosaur, I received your message. After looking further into it, I am still unsure as to the policy of when we can or cannot use the template in an article. I noticed your RFC, so I will monitor it myself to see what input you receive about it. DrNegative (talk) 18:09, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Moved
I moved your question from WT:EL to the External links/Noticeboard. WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:05, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Themes/Cameron
Happy holidays! LOL. I think Cameron looks thoughtful and earnest in this photo. Also, in April, when the photo was taken, before Earth Day, Cameron was talking about environmentalism, etc. in the film. Here's another photo http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:JamesCameronCCJuly09.jpg from Comic Con in July, but I don't know what he was talking about, and I think he looks a bit smug and sloppy here. There is more media here: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Avatar_%282009_film%29 and here: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Avatar_Rally_Vancouver-5.jpg I also saw that the photo being used for the destruction of the World Trade Center looked nothing like the felling of home tree, so I replaced it with one that, at least has fire in it. Not nearly as good as the image we originally used there, but everyone's afraid of the image nazis here at Wikipedia. All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:21, 19 December 2010 (UTC)


 * While on the subject, I do not know if this photo would be appropriate Cinosaur, but I thought I would show it to you in either case. Recognize something about it? DrNegative (talk) 05:08, 20 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Happy holidays and Merry Christmas, DrNegative! Are the "image nazis" what you're hinting at in the photo? :) And where do you think it fits best in the article? Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 06:17, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Avatar discussion
There is a discussion in regards to this edit to the Avatar (2009 film) article. As frequent editor of the article would you please offer a third opinion at Talk:Avatar_(2009_film). Thanks. Betty Logan (talk) 14:43, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Mantra-Rock Dance
Hi. This is 'way outside my area of interest. It looks like a great article, so far. Obviously, you need to present the reaction to the event in the press. Good luck with it! -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:03, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

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DYK for Mantra-Rock Dance
The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Re:Comments on a FP candidate
It was directed at Purpy Pupple- the backwards ampersand seem pretty clearly deliberate to me! J Milburn (talk) 11:42, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Mantra-Rock Dance PR
You are most welcome. The image layout looks better, particularly the "New Science" image, which is strongly directional. I didn't know that the Harvard templates added the ampersands automatically, although I have noticed ampersands in other articles using the Harvards, now that you mention it. However, fooling around this morning with the template parameters, I discovered that using |Bromley and Shinn| instead of |Bromley|Shinn| inside the template produces the desired result. As to the question about the Stanley Mouse link, I'd be inclined to delete the quotation marks and keep the link. I think the link is helpful, and I think the citation at the end of the sentence is attribution enough in this case. However, I'd unlink "hippy" in the quotation near the end of the first paragraph of the "Reaction and effect" section. Finetooth (talk) 17:39, 14 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't think the ampersands will cause a great fuss, actually. I'd rather not go back through the PR and mark things off. I used to do that, but the process is too time-consuming. Not much bang for the buck, as they say. And, yes, I think the article is ready for GAN. It's likely that the reviewer there will see things that I missed or will have different concerns, but those things can all be addressed as they arise. Best of luck with it. Finetooth (talk) 19:58, 14 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for pointing out that template, which I had never looked at closely before. I don't mean to be rude, but to honestly add that template, I would have to review the entire article and check each of the changes you've made since the last time I looked. That process is what is, on average, so time-consuming. (It is a formal part of the GAN and FAC processes, which involve a good deal of back-and-forth.) I try to make helpful suggestions but resist adding any Finetooth Seal of Approval or Disapproval at the peer-review stage. It's certainly not required. Actually, peer review is fairly informal, and editors can add review comments of any size or shape. Finetooth (talk) 21:19, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of Malati Dasi for deletion
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Your GA nomination of Mantra-Rock Dance
The article Mantra-Rock Dance you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Mantra-Rock Dance/GA1 for eventual comments about the article. Well done! Pyrotec (talk) 18:57, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Mantra-Rock Dance
Nice work! Was this your first FA? I'd be interested in hearing what you thought about the FAC process. Also, I placed the article in the "Culture" section of Featured articles because it seems to lean more than way than Music. What do you think? -- Andy Walsh  (talk)  01:54, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for promoting the article, Andy. It is my first FA, except for the unsuccessful stab at FA for Themes in Avatar one year ago. I think the FAC process is a very stimulating, educative, and gratifying experience, thanks to a bunch of willing and expert editors out there, like User:Nikkimaria and User:Sasata and, I am sure, many more who I have not had the fortune of meeting yet, and I look forward to more of the same. Yes, and it does belong more under Culture. Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 06:07, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Congratulations on the FA. I hope to see more of your work in the future. Finetooth (talk) 01:00, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Re: Never Can Say Goodbye: The Music of Michael Jackson
Hi, I put in an inline citation calling it a tribute and put in an alt hook. Thanks for alerting me of your comments and taking the time to review. J04n(talk page) 15:51, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

File:Malati_Dasi_with_Bhaktivedanta_Swami_in_Vrindavan_1975.jpg needing permission
Hi Stifle. May I ask you to please confirm the image's OTRS permission on Commons? An email containing the owner's permission was forwarded on March 1. I apologize for this queue jumping request, which I wouldn't have made if it were not for the image being used to illustrate a DYK nomination poised for its Main Page chance. Many thanks. Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 16:01, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll need either a ticket number, some part of the email address it was sent from, or the email subject to have any chance of finding the ticket. Stifle (talk) 16:07, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your answer.
 * subject: Fwd: Permission to use your pic on Wikipedia
 * sent on: March 1, 2011 5:52:23 PM GMT+05:30
 * I hope this helps. Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 16:28, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Your ticket number is 2011030110008973; I cannot currently process the ticket because I am at work and Commons is blocked there for some reason. If you post that ticket number at Commons:COM:ON someone will probably clear it for you. Stifle (talk) 08:59, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Copy-editing Malati Dasi
Cinosaur, today I copy edited the Wikipedia entry for Malati Dasi. Please have a look. Iss246 (talk) 22:39, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Cinosaur, I'm very motivated to earn another Barnstar. Is my copy editing good enough to merit a Barnstar? Iss246 (talk) 01:16, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Iss246, again, many thanks for your swift and exacting copy-editing. Have a look at your Talk page. Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 01:28, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Malati Dasi
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Malati Dasi
Yes, that sounds interesting, and I will certainly have a look. I will probably not get to it for a couple of days but certainly by the weekend. Finetooth (talk) 20:58, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Smart_Cover_DYK_removed
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Barnstar
Thank you for the barnstar. I was glad to help, and I wish you luck at GAN. Finetooth (talk) 01:47, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Iman al-Obeidi
Hi Cinosaur - I see that you have deleted my section "Current location" at Iman al-Obeidi but you didn't update the page with references to where she is. The reason I created the section is so that a person could quickly scan the page and answer the questions "is she accounted for?" or not. The way it is written now a person would have to read the whole page a couple of times to be able to determine if anyone knows where she is right now. So I am curious if you have a better solution to this problem. I am interested in the big picture of tracking people who go missing like this and a protocol making updates easy for people to find. Thanks for your work on this page: )--cda (talk) 17:23, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi CDA. You definitely have a point. In removing your Current location section I reckoned that this reference to the headquarters of Libyan National Intelligence as her current location published in Nederlandse Omroep Stichting and quoted in the article under Government response would suffice to make the Current location section redundant. However, if you disagree with me, please feel free to restore the section, this time with a more precise clue as to her whereabout. Thank you for your contribution. Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 17:35, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. I may put it back in today because I think it makes the article easier to read (especially if you re-check the page trying to see any changes) but first I am going to try to see if there is precedent for this kind of situation on Wikipedia, and how it was handled. Anyone reading this with an opinion please contact me on my talk page. thanks again --cda (talk) 21:10, 27 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your work on the article. By the way, the Guardian has linked to it "http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/27/benghazi-woman-rape-and-detention They say "there is a sizeable entry on Wikipedia about Obeidi, giving chapter and verse on her dramatic appearance at Tripoli's smart Rixos Al Nasr hotel". Regards. --Youssef (talk) 16:12, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the thanks, Youssefsan. :) The Guardian reference is already included on Talk:Iman al-Obeidi under "This article has been mentioned by a media organisation" template, along with other media mentions. Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 16:19, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I will post your question to the project members at Women's History project talk page. Thanks. - PKM (talk) 03:13, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Re: DYK for Iman al-Obeidi
Your requested change has been performed. --Allen3 talk 15:18, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Iman al-Obeidi
The DYK project (nominate) 16:04, 8 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Congratulations. A vindication of your hard work. Wavehunter (talk) 17:59, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

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File:Prabhupada's_arrival_in_San_Francisco,_January_17,_1967.jpg
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 * Yes, I do. It's listed on the image page as this. Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 17:34, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I could find no reference for this ticket on the image page. Did you ever et any reply from some OTRS volunteer? --Damiens .rf 04:11, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Oops, you're right, this file is a duplicate of this one, which's got the OTRS ticket. We can safely delete the one in question. Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 05:39, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

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Main page appearance
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Mantra-Rock Dance was a musical countercultural event held on January 29, 1967, at the Avalon Ballroom in San Francisco. It was organized by followers of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness as an opportunity for its founder, A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, to address a wider public, and as a promotional and fundraising effort for their first center on the West Coast of the United States. The Mantra-Rock Dance featured leading American rock groups of the time such as the Grateful Dead and Janis Joplin with Big Brother and the Holding Company, as well as the then relatively unknown Moby Grape. The bands agreed to appear with Prabhupada and to perform for free. Participation of such countercultural leaders as poet Allen Ginsberg, who led the singing of the Hare Krishna mantra onstage along with Prabhupada, and LSD promoters Timothy Leary and Stanley Augustus Owsley III, considerably boosted the event's popularity. The Mantra-Rock Dance concert was later called "the ultimate high" and "the major spiritual event of the San Francisco hippy era". It led to a few significant and favorable media exposures for Prabhupada and his followers and brought the Hare Krishna movement to the wider attention of the American public. (more...)


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Congratulations
That Mantra-Rock Dance will be a TFA is good news indeed. It deserves a wide audience, which it will now get. My best, Finetooth (talk) 16:54, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Themes in Avatar
I just wanted to let you know, that you have a FA worthy article in my opinion, should you ever want to try it again. I would support it. DrNegative (talk) 19:39, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * DrNegative, thank you for the surprise visit and for your suggestion. In fact, I've kept fancying a new stab at FA, especially ever since User:Erik referred me to new scholarly sources to expand the article and address some of the concerns previous FA reviewers had with its frame of reference being limited to merely news reports. I agree with Erik, and find that these and other proposed sources would really make the article more well-rounded and comprehensive. However, I've been and still am very busy in RL, and may just not get enough time to work these sources into the article and then pull off a new FAC any time soon. Would you be willing to do it yourself, with me as a helper? Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 16:07, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, I will be able to assist you soon if you need it. I understand about being busy in RL, no problem, we'll get to it. DrNegative (talk) 17:20, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
 * If you feel like looking up and weaving the new sources per Erik's suggestions into the article, that'd be great. This is really the only thing separating the article from a justifiable FA nomination. I'll be around. Thank you very much. Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 06:38, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

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Bhagavad Gita trial in Russia

 * This is fast evolving, I changed my vote to reflect this. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 17:07, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
 * FYI - I don't know any Admin. Do you? Sorry, all I knew to do was change my vote and ask for it to be closed. Please let me know how I can help. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 20:52, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

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Bhagavad Gita trial in Russia
I found your article to be really too blunt to be true and the idea of writing such unimportant article applying with day to day updates like an news anchor, this seems to a work of complete nonsense. It will be wholly wrong for the wikipedia editor to take a pedantic and purely idealistic approach to problems of this nature, isolated from the actual realities and grassroot problems involved in the working of the system and unmindful of the consequences that would emanate if a purely idealistic view as opposed to a pragmatic one were to be propounded.’’--Johnmylove (talk) 18:39, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your feedback, Johnmylove. While I disagree with you that the article is"unimportant" – see the article's AfD discussion, for instance – you are most welcome to try and improve it per Wikipedia policies. Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 19:30, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Let me when you finish. I will glad to give an informal PR for GA status. My main worry would be that all POVs are covered and balanced. The article should not read pro/anti ISKCON/the Russian Church. I will try to examine the article in this regard. -- Redtigerxyz  Talk 04:59, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

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Bhagavad-Gita As It Is trial in Russia
Hey, why the name change with NO discussion on the talk page. This should be discussed first, and done by consensus. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 23:44, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Ism schism, just reverted. Would you like to voice your opinion at the talk page?Cinosaur (talk) 23:50, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Radio object with continuous optical spectrum
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Credo Reference Update & Survey (your opinion requested)
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Themes in Avatar
Hi there. While reading the article "Themes in Avatar", I checked the citation on a particular opinionated statement: citation #26 linked to http://www.webcitation.org/64JDsoJTc

This link leads to an article not associated with the Wiki article or statement (I read all of it), but instead to some news story about Russia's decision on banning a Hare Krishna book. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Synaptic Elucidation (talk • contribs) 02:04, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for catching this. Fixed. Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 04:18, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

New Message!
Hello, You have a new message at User_talk:CorrectKnowledge. Thanks! -- Tito Dutta  ✉  05:09, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * And also "Student doing Yoga" image does not exist. See Lifestyle userbox section here! We can add a new similar image in the infobox! -- Tito Dutta  ✉  05:15, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅ I have replaced the image. So, it should be fixed now! -- Tito Dutta  ✉  05:22, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * You have one new message in same page! -- Tito Dutta  ✉  07:58, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

GA Review
Hi Cinosaur, you recently decided to review the article Bhagavad Gita for GA status. This decision was perhaps not a correct one, given that you have repeatedly suggested that the nomination be withdrawn. The nomination of any GA candidate can't really be withdrawn once an editor decides to take up the review. As of yet you haven't made any comments at Talk:Bhagavad Gita/GA1. Your comments elsewhere have been brief and ambiguous. For instance, you recently suggested that the editors of the article need to work on the sources. Perhaps you could clarify what you meant by that. Then again, you said there were problems with structure and content without hinting at what they were.

In your last visit to my talk page you said that you were busy in real life and were looking to speedy fail the article. That would be very inappropriate. Even the original version of the article met the criteria for a detailed review, let alone the current one. Besides, articles which are speedily failed themselves have detailed comments left by the reviewers (example) to help the future editors and reviewers of the article. Please also take a look at what WP:WGN has to say regarding the stability of the article: "Vandalism reversions, proposals to split or merge content, good faith improvements to the page (such as copy editing), and changes based on reviewers' suggestions do not apply."

I understand you are busy in real life and have your own articles related to Bhagavad Gita to take care of. Since you have been through a GAR yourself you already understand what a tedious process it can be. I think the best way go from here would be to void the review. Please leave a comment on the GA page expressing your inability to continue the process any further (I am busy can't continue this etc.) and I'll take steps to void the review after that. Of course, if you have the time and energy to review the article you are welcome to continue the process and we would be glad to work with you on improving the article. Regards. CorrectKnowledge (talk) 18:39, 7 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I have replied to your comments regarding references at the GAN page. Correct Knowledge  «৳alk»  00:32, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Malati's 16 missing years
I'm not that expert in wikipedia so to bring attention I undid your undoing of my edit. It is actually meant to to be taken out and replaced with what she actually did from 1977-1993. (In fact now that I have discovered your talk page I will undo what I just did as it now serves no purpose.)

There is a big hole in her history we note that in the article she goes off the radar in the 70s and only reappears in the late 90s. Why is that? If she never left ISKCON then why is there nothing in her records? Why not ask her yourself what she was doing. Here are her email addresses "Malati (dd) ACBSP (GBC) (New Vrindavan/Columbus - USA)"  and Melanie Nagel . You will no doubt get a sanitized version, with no mention of her being a madame in NY or heroin addiction, HIV etc, but that doesn't matter as I know that Wikipedia doesn't like to print such sordid things. But I would like to see if she says she was in ISKCON all during that time. Now that would be interesting.van Lustig (talk) 13:29, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Sam van lustig, thanks for the message. Per Wikipedia rules, any claim (and especially about a living person), must be verifiable by reliable sources. My removing your edit was because you had not provided any secondary reliable sources for it. Until you finds such sources to back up your proposed edit, it won't stay. You may want to read more on identifying reliable sources and verifiability here and here. Many thanks for your understanding. Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 13:44, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

As I said you could just ask her yourself if she was in ISKCON from 1977-1993. Or is she not a reliable source?van Lustig (talk) 13:57, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
 * No, she is not. Please refer to this Wikipedia policy for an explanation. Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 19:38, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

The King and I is at FAC
Hi, Cinosaur. I hope you're doing well! One of the articles I am working on, The King and I, has been nominated for FAC. It would be great if you could take a look at the article and give comments at the FAC. Thanks for any time you could spare! -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:20, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the visit, Ssilvers. I hope all is well with you too. Commented there, for what it's worth. Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 08:33, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help! -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:25, 3 February 2013 (UTC)