User talk:Cinosaur/Themes in Avatar (2009 film)

Ready for mainspace?
Glad to see this is finally being created! I'd started my own version but you're much farther along, I'll contribute to this as much as I can. Doesn't look like it's far from being ready for the mainspace. AniRaptor2001 (talk) 04:38, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks AniRaptor2001. Looking forward to your contribution. Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 05:13, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem. I'd go so far as saying that the article is ready to move into mainspace, unless there's any other important themes you'd like to add. AniRaptor2001 (talk) 07:16, 14 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I was thinking of including Racism and racial guilt theme to it as well, and has requested an editor to add it. Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 01:23, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Now that the draft has been stolen and moved to mainspace, and already referenced in the main article, should we take it as a blessing in disguise and start working on the published version instead? Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 05:10, 15 February 2010 (UTC)


 * It was done by an administrator, so it's probably in good faith. Let's go ahead and work on it over there, yes. AniRaptor2001 (talk) 05:24, 15 February 2010 (UTC)


 * No, it was originally stolen by a now banned user, and then fixed in mainspace by the administrator. All the better. See you there. Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 05:50, 15 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh my I hadn't seen that. Oh well. AniRaptor2001 (talk) 06:15, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Proposed introduction.
Thanks for the introduction, AniRaptor. It is fine with me. Do you want to go ahead and put it in? Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 05:37, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Images
AniRaptor2001, judging by your talk page you seem far more experienced with uploading and using images and dealing with WP image copyright policies than me. Can we upload and use this image under Iconography section? Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 05:46, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, we're only able to upload images that aren't in the public domain under the terms of "fair use", which can only be called on if a comparable free image cannot be obtained. I have some reservations with the policy, but it keeps wikipedia out of legal issues, so it does have its uses. Because comparable free images of hindu deities are available on the commons, (such as the one of Rama, at right), we're limited to using those. Works of art (such as every image on the page you linked to) are especially difficult, because unless they were created many years ago (usually after the death of the artist, plus a certain number of years depending on the jurisdiction), they are not in the public domain; they can only be used under fair use if the subject of the article is the work itself, and only a low-resolution reproduction of the work will serve to properly illustrate the subject matter. This is why we can use screenshots of Avatar (copyrighted material) in the article about the film. AniRaptor2001 (talk) 06:58, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. What about the image off this page, which bears more resemblance with the Avatar theme than the one you found. It is lifted off the same site but has embedded credits. What is Wiki's policy on such images? I reckon there should be no problem using original art that belongs to me? Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 07:09, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I recommend having a read of these pages:
 * and . Basically, the image is either usable in Wikipedia under fair use, or it is public domain/released under a free distribution license and can be uploaded to the Commons. If neither criteria is satisfied, then we can't use the image. Keep in mind that ownership of a work of art, (or hosting an image file) doesn't confer ownership of copyright, which is what Wikipedia is concerned with.AniRaptor2001 (talk) 07:38, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Article invitation
Thanks for the invite Cinosaur. I'm thrilled to see that work brought back to life in this one. I will get back to you soon with more suggestions. --Panda609 16:49, 14 February 2010 (UTC) (Amandaroyal) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amandaroyal (talk • contribs)


 * Looking forward to more of your contributions. Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 00:32, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

It looks good Cinosaur, well-written and comprehensively sourced. One observation in "Religion and Spirituality": Avatar's director John Boorman quoted a similar distinction as one of the key factors contributing to its success: - John Boorman didn't direct Avatar, and I don't think he was involved in the production at any level. Betty Logan (talk) 23:09, 14 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Oops - thanks Betty for pointing my blunder out. That's been a sheer oversight. Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 00:32, 15 February 2010 (UTC)