User talk:CircafuciX/Archive 1

Alchemist myspace bulletin on Tripsis
Hey there, I'm thinking you need to have a myspace account to view bulletins posted by users. Here is the one posted by Alchemist:

http://bulletin.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=bulletin.read&messageID=3592764277&MyToken=9648b10f-21b9-46fd-8d9b-77db362f198f

From:	 Alchemist

Date:	 01 Jun 2007, 01:17 PM

Subject	ALCHEMIST: Complete Work On New Album; Announce Tour Plans

Body:	Australia’s ALCHEMIST have recently completed work on their brand new full-length album Tripsis.

Tripsis, as described by ALCHEMIST guitarist, vocalist Adam Agius (the band is rounded out by guitarist Roy Torkington, drummer Rodney Holder, and bassist John Bray), is “The most consistently heavy album since Spartech with all the Alchemist trade marks - psychedelic, atmospheric, packed with crushing riffs intertwined guitar melodies and groove. Tripsis is also the fastest album delivered by Alchemist with a few songs taking the Surfthrash sound to new heights.”

Advance Tripsis song titles include: “Wrapped in Guilt”, “Degenerative Breeding”, “Grasp The Air”, “Substance for Shadow”, and “Tongues and Knifes”. Tripsis will first see its Australian release in mid-July via Chatterbox Records, with its international release through Relapse in mid-September.

Additionally, ALCHEMIST are set to tour Australia and New Zealand starting July 21st through late August in support of Tripsis. This tour will kick-off with an appearance at the Abducted Festival in Brisbane with BLOOD DUSTER, EARTH, TERRORUST and more. Following, will be a European tour in October. That tour will kick-off with a headlining performance at the Prog Power Festival in The Netherlands. A complete ALCHEMIST tour listing will be made available shortly.

For more information on ALCHEMIST, please visit the band’s official website: www.Alchemist.com.au and MySpage page: www.myspace.com/Alchemistau.

I do have a MySpace account, strange...

Have you added the band as a friend? The bulletin will only display on your user page if they're a friend AusBruce 05:17, 2 June 2007 (UTC) :)

I'll be sure to add them then, I don't add bands to my account but maybe I should since now I know bulletins do that CircafuciX 05:28, 2 June 2007 (UTC) thanks

Affiliation with Suny Delhi
Stopped by to see what your affiliation might be with SUNY Delhi as I noted you placed information about their culinary team on the page.--Christopher Tanner, CCC 20:21, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes I attended the school and I decide to return next year and am under current personal obligations and I feel as if there is A LOT of missing info about the college. CircafuciX 20:07, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia New York Meet-Up
Howdy! Please come to the First Annual New York Wikipedian Central Park Picnic. R.S.V.P. @ Meetup/NYC --David Shankbone 22:22, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

6th Children of Bodom album
Regarding your ref question, that's where the information was learned and reworded for originality. If you're a fan of the band, you really should check out scythes-of.bodom.com. Feel free to leave me a message. Dark Executioner 19:01, 20 June 2007 (UTC)Dark Executioner

Terror 2000
Thanks for your help, with the box and the projects and such. It looks much better now. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 20:07, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

No problem I'm here to help. :) and I knew the one header I made would of been a POV problem, but it was undeniably negative. Also, I was thinking on making the article myself but you beat me to it. --CircafuciX 20:35, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Please see my comment on the article page. --CircafuciX 00:35, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Utmost Apologies
Sorry about that. I am still pretty new to Wikipedia but I will try to do better in the future :)

EDIT: I think I reworked it correctly, also updating the summary. —comment added by Lte2112 (talk • contribs) 21:26, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Alright a bit sorry as well, I didn't know you were that new but as long as you're learning thats good. Good luck out there. :) --CircafuciX 21:33, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

How Like a Winter
Coincidentally, I was working on this page (including citations) when you made your edit and renamed it, resulting in an editing conflict. What's your reason for changing the capitalisation on "How Like A Winter" and "...beyond my grey wake" ? I wrote it exactly as the band write it on their website and on my CD of theirs. The lower-casing by the band on "...beyond my grey wake" is probably deliberate, this is doom, remember. In my view the way the band writes it is the only correct way, they could write "HoW lIkE A wINteR" if they wanted. Anyway, I have copied my edits to elsewhere to give you time to justify the upper/lower case changes you made before I change it back, and work my edits/additions back into your version of the page. Aptenodytes 01:58, 23 October 2007 (UTC) - Hey, no worries about the edit conflict, I saved my changes to my PC so I can copy the new bits back in. No worries about the capitalisation now I know the Wiki rule. And I don't have any problems with your other changes (genre change to gothic doom etc), the case changes were the only thing I didn't understand. I'll add more to that page in the next hour or so, including fixing the citations etc. BTW, feel free to "Wikify" my other creation Tsatthoggua if you want, that's the second page I authored, How Like a Winter was my first. Aptenodytes 02:37, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the work on Tsatthoggua, it looks a lot better now. I think I'm getting the idea of how to do things at Wiki. :) Aptenodytes 11:21, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Greetings
I am searching for those knowledgeable about metal...you seem to know what you're talking about. If you ever need any help with an article let me know and I will take a look and give you an opinion, and may offer my help if I think you're correct. All I ask is a similar favor.Navnløs 20:11, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Agreed
I definitely agree with you on the line break vs. comma break issue. What I meant when I firt talked to you was simly that I would be willing to help you anytime with anything pertaining to a subject I might know about, all I ask is that you might help me out with a page or information, etc. when I might need it. I don't want to sound like I'm collaborating with another user (this is not allowed), though, so I chose my words carefully. So I have to make it clear that I will not just agree with you because you ask me nor would I want you to vote or agree with me just because I ask, on any particular hypothetical situation. All I want is that we might be able to help each other, if needed, on any "metal page" issues or others. Hopefully, you will take this into consideration.Navnløs 18:05, 29 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Correct. I have seen many of your edits on numerous pages and that is how I found you. Navnløs 20:30, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm
I couldn't really tell you that why that is, other than the fact that they have had problems with that in the past. I joined a while back and got an email swiftly afterward. There's almost no reason to join that site, though, unless you want to add bands to their database. I only use it rarely to look up discographies and the such for bands. Navnløs 18:07, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't reall know about forums, but I'm pretty sure you can't post bands anonymously, you would have to create an account. Navnløs 16:52, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Well it is ultimately up to you, of course, but if you do want to add a band to the database, then I'd join. Navnløs 21:33, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the help with the citations on the Amon Amarth page. That certainly seems cumbersome to write all that stuff out. Navnløs 23:00, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, once again, I appreciate it. Navnløs 17:52, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Dimension Zero (Sweden)
“If you were intending to write an article on a band, please don't replace your other band article you want to create with one that is there already. I suggest using Dimension Zero (US band).”

Using the title “Dimension Zero” for the Swedish Metal Band is in violation of the United States Patent and Trademark Office service mark (Serial #78072275 Registration #2573924), owned by Liquid Records, the label for the US band Dimension Zero. To be in accordance with the service mark, the Swedish Dimension Zero must be referenced as “Dimension Zero (Sweden).”

I attempted to move the contents from “Dimension Zero” to a new page “Dimension Zero (Sweden)”, and then update the contents for “Dimension Zero” with the US band information.

Using “Dimension Zero (US Band)” on a website that is managed in the United Sates does not comply with the service mark. The US band “Dimension Zero” owns the name “Dimension Zero” in the United States. The Swedish band must use “Dimension Zero (Sweden)” to comply with the service mark.

-- Dimensionzero (talk) 18:05, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Hey
I don't really give a shit what most people think but I figured I would at least tell you that I do know that metalcore is a real genre, even if I dislike it. I nominated the article and its subgenres to prove a point. I see many articles getting deleted with no sources. Metalcore has no sources and people constantly add bs to the article. The people who edit the article have shown that they have no intention of ever putting any references or sources (the metalcore page and its subgenres did have one to two references per each, however I deleted these links after finding out they all went to questionable sites that showed huge bias and were utterly ridiculous or did not work). The article and its questionable subgenres need serious editiing. Navnløs (talk) 23:25, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Lol good stuff, I agree with you mostly on what you said. Navnløs (talk) 20:27, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Sweet
Thanks for the info, it's much appreciated. I was hoping someone might see the edit summary, since I'm too lazy to start asking a bunch of people. Navnløs (talk) 19:38, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey, just out of curiosity. I know you prefer line breaks, so why don't you speak out on the issue?  I mean there's a debate going on and I'm tired of the comma breakers saying they're in the majority when it's obvious they are not (look at all the pages w/ line breaks).  Not enough line breakers speak out on the issue, though, so it would be great if you joined the debate, if you want. Navnløs (talk) 19:42, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

All That Remains (band)
Hi, I noticed you re-added the flag icon to this article's infobox although WP:MOSFLAG deprecates such usage. What advantage would you say this usage of the flag gives? --John (talk) 02:43, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply. I would agree that keeping the logo is a good idea, as the logo identifies the band, but that keeping the flag serves no purpose, as 🇺🇸 USA carries the same information as United States, in an encyclopedic sense. It might be a useful space saver in a larger table with many nationalities, but I don't see how it helps our readers understand the article in a location like this. This is why we have evolved WP:MOSFLAG to provide guidance about when a flag is and isn't helpful. I would respectfully submit that I agree with the MoS that having a flag alongside the nationality of a band in their infobox adds nothing. As of almost all of the discussions I have seen on this, it seems the community agrees with me too. Best wishes, --John (talk) 04:42, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Template:Extreme metal
Like that new layout? Thundermaster Thundermaster's Talk 18:37, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Unsettling?
You think that's unsettling!? That crazy IP address user and User:Scarian are usually always following my edits around, watching what I do and attacking when they don't like it! I wish there was something we could do, but they're pretty much following all the rules, albeit sometimes in a twisted way. They're always on my back, and I already have to worry about User:Twsx who has been my traditional enemy at many times, and has shown troll attributes at times, as well.  Blizzard Beast  ''$ODIN' 18:57, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Deathcore the band?
I found that page as well while I was searching for sources. I would really appreciate it if you could help me find out more about them. My gut says they have nothing to do with the genre in dispute, but we have to close all doors when dealing with deletion. Thank you. --Wick3dd 05:46, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I am not all that interested in grind either. I am, however, very interested in death metal, and that was what brought me to that page. It doesn't matter to me whether the article stays or goes. If it stays, it needs to be rewritten. That Karen Carpenter person is the author, so watch out for their POV. They already told me to listen to grind on myspace and contrast it to "boring modern death metal such as Decapitated..", and that would take place over proper sourcing. I think that some of the sources you listed can certainly be used if kept, but we need more concrete evidence that I frankly don't care enough about to get haha. Thanks for your civil input.--Wick3dd 08:05, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I am still not sure what an admin is going to think of all this at the end of five days. This article very well may be deleted for not being notable enough.--Wick3dd 20:54, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Some light reading
Read WP:ALBUM. Then you won't make so many errors. Hope that helps. 156.34.226.252 21:01, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Now... before you make another blunder and revert the Focus corrections... there are several policies in the edit summary. Read, and understand these policies... and then your contributions will improve and your edits will be positive ones instead of unencyclopedic ones. Hope that helps. 156.34.226.252 (talk) 21:19, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * PS I'll give you a partial passing mark on the Viking/viking. But it doesn't matter if the line is broken for WP:ALBUM. It's a comma delimited field. The consensus to use commas in the other box hasn't been finalised so that battleground still exists. Follow who? You rv'd my edit first. Lots of editors follow me around so they can learn how to edit properly. Why do you follow me around so much? 156.34.226.252 (talk) 21:23, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Circa. I think it's best if you do as he says and read the policies. If you have any doubts about the policies themselves why don't you come and ask him or I about them? If you have any queries after the reading the said policies, please do not hesitate to ask. Scar ian Talk  21:27, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

re: your questions
The weasel words in the lead section may well have been true. But they were unencyclopedic... uncited weasel words and sounded like some dumbarse 14 year old wrote them. If a reasonable wording from a reliable source (and online fanzines devoted to heavy metal like metel-archives are NOT reliable sources... not too many heavy metal websites are) then they line could be added back in along with the reliable ref. The third genre was a re-direct link to a genre that doesn;t really exist. Metal fusion???? again... did some lame teenager invent that at recess??? It re-directed to Jazz fusion???... and that article has absolutely nothing to do with Jazz in any way shape or form. Jazz influenced heavy metal... just falls under Prog metal anyways so it should cover off the so-called fusion side of things. As for this Jordan character. Is your friend Jordan a mid-40s holder of a Masters Degree in Mechanical Engineering? Does he work as a records/database management consultant and associate professor for a respected Eastern Canadian University libarary? (a glorified librarian) I would say he probably doesn't because A) I am a mid-40s Asset Management consultant working in a University library... and B) My name isn't Jordan (although my name does start with J) Wikipedia has policies and guidelines for a reason. They are to be followed. And if you try to edit by your own rules... then your edits will be reverted or corrected. It's really quite simple. Read the policy documents. And your edits will improve... guaranteed! Hope that helps! 156.34.232.128 (talk) 22:49, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * All 156 edits come from myself... or from one of my co-workers. I am the only one who edits music related articles. The other 156 editors stick to their own fields of interest (History, Science etc). And all of their edits combined do not even come close to the number of edits I have in a day. When I am at my desk... my IP number is static. It's the 156 IP page with all the barnstars. If I grab a laptop and go roaming around the University (something I do alot since every building has ots own library) the IP changes all the time because our proxy servers refresh themselves often. What my IP is right now... may not be my IP in an hour... or... it might stick for 2 days? The proxy servers refresh after a certain volume of traffic passes through them. I've been editing Wikipedia almost as long as there's been a Wikipedia to edit. As a former "logged in" user I had over 20000 edits. But I decided to reject my account for the "purity" of anonymous editing (it's what Wikipedia is built on) I have close to 30000 more edits as an anon. I have a dormant account that only a few people know of and it's for email purposes only. I have days when I only edit 20 pages. And I have days when I edit over 200. Even as an anon I still have a watchlist (I won't say how I do that) My watchlist has almost 4500 pages on it... all music related. If someone edits a page and either does vandalism, does something dumb, something that violates policy, something that goes against guideline or consensus... I see it. Sometimes I revert it. Sometimes I correct it. Sometimes I ignore it. If an editor has a tendency to shade policies and guidelines. Or if they are an IP/User that is a persistent vandal or troll... they show up in bright red on my watchlist. So I always know when something stupid has been done and I can go srtaight in and revert it or correct it... whichever is required. If a "red" editor proves him/herself worthy and earns my respect as an editor... I turn the red highlights off. That is how I've edited here for several years. It is how I know when someone is doing something wrong and it is how I am able to catch so much vandalism on the project. Of my near 50000 edits here... over 20000 of them have been vandalism warnings. As for your genre questions. I will answer those later. In the time it took me to type this long explanation... 100 pages on my watchlist were probably vandalised. I am going to focus on that for now. Have a nice day. 156.34.232.128 (talk) 04:41, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Okay
I am for lists. What exactly do you suggest we do? Add all those things you mentioned into the lists? That's a lot of work. I will definitely voice my opinion on those pages.  Blizzard Beast  ''$ODIN' 18:43, 5 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, unfortunately, they are aiming for hasty. They may get their way. I already voted on the doom metal and black metal list, you should do the same. I asked Funeral why he chose those specific pages and not the thrash metal or death metal list, but he did not respond.  Blizzard Beast  ''$ODIN' 19:30, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Okay, please read WP:CANVAS. Your conversations with Navnlos are bordering on breaching the policy. You are not allowed to coerce other editors into siding with you. If you wish to inform a user of an AfD (Or anything like that) you must inform them neutrally so as not to inflict bias. If you have any questions please do not hesitate to contact me. Scar ian Talk  20:50, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Sure, no worries. Everyone makes mistakes. Scar ian  Talk  21:04, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, I exactly don't know what I am supposed to do to prevent the list from being AFD'd. There is one thing I know, that the thrash list as of now is much more than just a category. It conveys more information than. Weltanschaunng 16:25, 6 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey, don't worry about Scarian. You are not canvassing. You didn't convince me of anything nor did I convince you of anything either! You told me about an issue and I agreed with you, thats it.  We discussed what can be done, that is not canvassing. We weren't coercing each other at all, in the least!  Also, what is your opinion about the Bestial Warlust article anyways?  Blizzard Beast  ''$ODIN' 18:10, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
 * A neutrally-worded 'notice' isn't canvassing. This is, though. Funeral 18:13, 6 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Don't tell me I just did it again... and I'm not trying to sway his opinion, I'm telling him something he already knows for a fact... Next time I'll say express your opinion on (or these) afd's... --CircafuciX (talk) 18:28, 6 December 2007 (UTC)


 * If they are mentioned in a book that is a very, very strong reference and with the other references they would back up each other, so I'm for it. Now, if this is canvasing then I think I'll just simply remain silent... --CircafuciX (talk) 18:38, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Stop worrying! You never canvassed! Also, it looks our side won on the black metal list debate, but it was a close call. The deletion got closed as "no conclusion" or w/e...but neither side clearly won. It's a victory for now, but if these list keep getting put of for deletion our side may not be victorious again...in fact we may very well lose, and the lists get deleted.  Blizzard Beast  ''$ODIN' 23:57, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Boxes
I like your cool blue boxes. Good luck with your finals! I'm also about to take mine...argh.  Blizzard Beast  ''$ODIN' 18:03, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Nice, Wintersun is the shit. I know what you mean about the photoshop stuff, and I am a big fan of photoshop (and pretty damn good at using it) but I don't have it any more, so I'll have to leave that to you.  I could download it on to my computer, as I did before, but that would take a while and I'm too lazy and my computer also has no room because I havw way way too much music on it.  Blizzard Beast  ''$ODIN' 17:22, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Dark Tranquility prods
Just want to open up a dialogue on the prods you're contesting on the Dark Tranquility demos. (Trail of Life Decayed, A Moonclad Reflection, and Enfeebled Earth.) On all three prods, the reason you're giving is that they were released by a known pioneer in the genre. Could you point me to where that automatically confers notability? I'm not seeing it in MUSIC. (Or, of course, if you can find a couple of independent, reliable sources that discuss the notability of these demos, and if you add that to the articles, I'd be thrilled.) --Fabrictramp (talk) 00:43, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

List of thrash metal bands
Have a look on the talk page. I have made a list of bands which I think do not belong to the list. Weltanschaunng 15:42, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Death
You rule. A Sniper 22:10, 14 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi friend. Can you please deal with the pending warnings for the three Death albums that just showed up (on the Death discussion page)? I'm pressed for time and don't want to see those covers obliterated needlessly. THANKS, A Sniper 17:18, 13 February 2008 (UTC

Re:LoCmb
Yeah, I had that idea on the AfD page! Well, I think the exp. list feature is ideal for such a diverse list as LoCmb. Weltanschaunng 15:22, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, someone undid my edit. Though I see the light of that user's point, it will be a bit difficult for new users. Also I have no idea of the volume of traffic on that list, thrash list is very peaceful(:D)! It actually helps to have less editors on the page if you are experimenting. Well I will copy the code on that list's talk page, in case you (and others) do some work in that direction. I hope that list never gets AfD'd again. Weltanschaunng 15:41, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

death/thrash
How would you define death/thrash? A lot of these bands on the removal list are death/thrash. Weltanschaunng 13:59, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I remember there being an article (or was it in thrash metal?) on deathrash. Are they similar? Weltanschaunng 01:03, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Reply to your comments
But if I just say Circa it has no humour... no sarcastic tone... no wiseassness whatsoever. Which is how I tend to look at all usernames. If you haven't gathered already... I think user names are useless/foolish/unreq'd/etc. Are you old enough to drive? Does you drivers license say CircafuciX beside the spot where it says "NAME"??? I doubt it very much if it did then your parents really hated you :D. I see that you are working hard to improve. And, as I said before, I respected your attempts to rm yourself away from the twit-clan. You will only get better and better if you think "more encyclopedia", "Less fansite". Wiki would benefit if everyone entered into this place with the same philosophy. First thing you need to add to your comments page is "must get sense of humour... increase my personal level of smartassecessity" And learn to have some fun. :D. Start referring to Scarian as Swearian or whatever. Call me Flibsy instead of Libsy. Call me f*ckhead... I don't care. Names on Wikipedia mean absolutely nothing. The only name that needs to be respected is... Wikipedia. 156.34.208.112 (talk) 00:16, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Ahh.. but there is one more comment.... my POV is always right. 50000 edits without a single mistake. 50000 more to come :D . 156.34.208.112 (talk) 00:29, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * You need to read the Wiki Philoposphy... By his own mandate... Jimbo is just another user... no different then you or Scarian or anyone. He edits rarely. And when he does he's had many an edit reverted. That's the Wiki-way. Unlike me... he's made mistakes :D . 156.34.208.112 (talk) 00:39, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The template discussion consensus is that logos are great within the text as long as the the logo has some notability and, even better, if it's mentioned in the article. Similar to my edits to Kiss and Iron Maiden. As for Cryptopsy... their logo... is just a logo. You incorporated into unrelated text simply for the sake of sticking it in there. Adding some pertinent content along with it would make it seem more like it was meant to be there... rather than looking like some sort of "graphic wound"... which is how it looks right now. Also, as per the ongoing discussions... if a bands logo is notable... and adding it to the main content doesn;t result in the article looking stupid... then newer, better quality logos should be uploaded to replace the ones that are currently floating around. 95% of them looked like sh*t... which was part of the reason the discussion and cosensus to remove them happened so fast and furious. Hope that helps. Sorry for the paragraph. well... no...actually I'm not :D 156.34.208.112 (talk) 01:13, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Templates
I've noticed that you have made edits to all/most of my templates. Please refrain from making edits to the top parts of the template. I made them the way I did for a reason, your edits don't change the looks of them at all. If you edit them, go ahead and fix links or add releases, don't change the format of the template.Metal Head (talk) 00:33, 22 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I have already stated this. The font color was set to white. I can see it perfectly, as can the other wikipedia users. There are many templates just like the ones I create. I have set them side by side and the only thing different between the one that I did, and the one that you revised, is the fact that your code is longer. There is no color difference at all. Also, you do not put TBA albums on a template. You wait until that album is released. I will revert the edits again if needed.Metal Head (talk) 05:24, 23 January 2008 (UTC)


 * You do not need to see v d e on the top of a template. People know that it's there, but they do not need to see it. Some people hide them on purpose. The template is black because of the genre of music it's being made for. I don't like a lot of white being shown, thus the darker blue for vde and the hide bar.Metal Head (talk) 13:47, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Opeth
I cant understand why Porcupine Tree is not an associated with Opeth in your opinion. Seeing as is the vocalist for Porcupine Tree produced 3 of Opeth's records, he aldo did numerous guest appearances both on vocals and with instruments on 3 Opeth records and as well Mikael Akerfeldt performing guest vocals on the Porcupine Tree album titled "Deadwing". Also, Amon Amarth is no longer associated with Opeth since the only tie between those two bands (Martin Lopez) is no longer a member of either band. Also please explain how Krux, Nifelheim, Satanic Slaughter, Tiamat and Witchery are associated with Opeth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.114.124.161 (talk) 04:31, 13 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, this is a shared IP address on a library computer. All of the explicit vulgar stuff has nothing to do with me personaly. I do have an account on wikipedia, but for days it hasn't been letting me log in. As for your points, I must say they are good. But please, do tell me of Opeth's affiliation with those bands I had mentioned. Becuase, for more than a few of them, I cannot find anything in relation between them. Also, thanks for taking my Porcupine Tree points of fact into account, it is appreciated. (my wikipedia account is "metalstyle") —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.114.124.161 (talk) 04:31, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

The reason that Porcupine Tree SHOULD be an associated act is becuase, there are more than one reason. There are 4 very real and valid reasons, and 1 sort of valid but not associated with music(IMO)

A)Produced 3 opeth records, not just one

B)guest on vocals on 3 opeth records, not just one

C)guest on variuos instruments on 3 opeth records, not just one

D)Their as yet untitled side project (featuring Steven Wilson, Mikael Akerfeldt & Mike Portnoy) to be released in 2009 <this is documented on blabbermouth.net

E)as said in the Deliverance&Damnation documentary and again in the ghost reveries bonus DVD, Mikeal and Steven Wilson(vocalist for PT) have been friends for about 10 years —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.114.124.161 (talk) 03:56, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Burningclean has proven himself many times to be quite the dumbass when it comes to things related to Opeth. As for Dream Theater, Mike Portnoy is thier drummer and is working with Steven Wilson(porcupine tree) and Mikael Akerfeldt(opeth) on a untitled side project, set for release in 2009. <-references of this side project are mentioned on blabbermouth.net

The funny thing to me is, people now don't believe me when I make my claims even when there is proof to what im saying. If all of the factors I pointed out in relation to porcupine tree and opeth don't count, I really would like to know what factors would count in a situation like this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.114.124.161 (talk) 23:15, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Yay, Circafucix
For blocking that vandal. But how did you do that? I thought you had to be an admin to block people. I didn't think you were an admin...  Blizzard Beast  ''$ODIN' 23:47, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, ok, cool.  Blizzard Beast  ''$ODIN' 23:57, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Regarding Trivium
Now some ip(s) has(have) tried twice to remove it from the list. maybe if its the same ip and it tries to do it again, we can report it. Weltanschaunng 10:22, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Well same ip range, same edit. Good time to report eh? (Damn Dynamic IP abusers!) Weltanschaunng 15:43, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Well you know how dynamic ip works...but yeah not too many cases. Weltanschaunng 10:51, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Blacklace
The entry you keep posting is not about a metal band from Manhattan! It's about a Canadian band from the '80s, whom, despite having an AMG entry, aren't likely to pass WP:MUSIC without someone's significant effort. Chubbles (talk) 19:46, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
 * The AMG link you posted; click it. That band is Canadian. For the Manhattan group - Encyclopedia Metallum is pretty much worthless as a reliable source; they're not listed in Martin C. Strong's Great Metal Discography. Do you have anything else substantial on them? Chubbles (talk) 19:58, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Cryptopsy
Are they truly progressive metal? Their WP page lists them as technical death metal, and I don't think that's the same thing. Thoughts? --Managerpants (talk) 21:40, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * That's cool, man. I don't know the band, so I will take your word for it. I didn't think you were adding them superfluously or anything, but I just wanted to hear what you had to say. Did you get my e-mail, by the way? --Managerpants (talk) 23:18, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It should have been forwarded to whatever e-mail account your WP account is registered to. --Managerpants (talk) 03:53, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It should be the one in your preferences. --Managerpants (talk) 11:37, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem. I'll just send it again, now that I see your e-mail address here on your user page. :-)  --Managerpants (talk) 18:29, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Cryptopsy definitely moved beyond 'technical death metal' with 'Whisper Supremacy' and 'And Then You'll Beg', in my estimation. Additionally, apologies for seeming like I was being difficult with the Voivod demos - thought the page just hadn't saved properly. Hope I've signed and dated this as you asked. (Additionally, created an article for the 'No Speed Limit Weekend' live demo tape and hope to add some quote citations regarding some albums in the near future). (HatefulRaven, 240208, 03:15 GMT) HatefulRaven (talk) 03:16, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

All that Remains
Stop changing every edit I do to the article. ATR are not a melodic death metal band, learn your genres before labeling a band, thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.206.212.234 (talk) 21:41, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

opeth - apologies
Sorry, I didn't realize that they were hyphens and not en dashes, as they should be. I apologize if I came off as a dick. = ∫tc 5th Eye 20:25, 25 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Linking doesn't hurt anything. Most band articles do have instruments listed in the personnel list. It's definitely okay (and practiced widely, in my experience) to re-link terms several times; generally once per sub-section or something like that (if that makes sense). = ∫tc 5th Eye 20:40, 25 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay cool. I'm always glad to see things work out like this. Take care. = ∫tc 5th Eye 20:50, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

RE: Wintersun
You're absolutely right that I don't wanna get into that again, lol. Well last time we solved the problem and we can do it again. Take a look at Talk:Wintersun. I added something into the music infobox next to the genres that will hopefully stop people from warring over the genres. I also made it so that people will be forced to argue about it on the talk page and to support their claims or they will be reverted. Damn, I'm good. I may be bragging but that was a great solution that deserves kudos. I think that fit right into the category of WP:Be Bold. Anyways, that should solve it.=)  Blizzard Beast  ''$ODIN' 23:20, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Encyclopaedia Metallum
Hi there. I was just browsing through the Orphaned Land discography. While I do appreciate your contributions to those articles, I did notice that the Encyclopedia Metallum has been included under the professional review heading. Now I love using the Encyclopedia Metallum as a reference guide but in no way or shape can it be considered a professional review website. All reviews there are submitted by anonymous fans. A general guideline is that if the real life identity of the reviewer is known, then the review can be included as a professional review. The following links might be useful. I'll be removing the Encyclopedia Metallum from the Orphaned Land albums myself but I do not know if you have included the Encyclopedia Metallum on other album articles you have worked on. If so, it would be much appreciated if you could remove them. Cheers. --Bardin (talk) 03:06, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikiproject_Albums#Professional_reviews
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:ALBUM#Non-professional_reviews

Category rename
I have (once again) removed your move request template from Category talk:Sludge metal groups. In order to move a category, you have to follow the procedure outlined at WP:CfR. Thanks. JPG-GR (talk) 21:33, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Blooddrunk leak
Why is it my edit on blooddrunk was reverted by you? It was accurate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.237.148.117 (talk) 07:28, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Your vote is wanted
Please go here and vote according to your thoughts on the issue. Thanks. Undeath (talk) 05:59, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Flags (and other stuff)
Hey, user:156.34.x.x warned me about this flagicon thing. I was never in favor of flagicons. IMO, guessing the country from seeing the flag should be left to quizzes and quizzes alone. Maybe we can do something about this beforehand, what do you think? And what's with the post above? Weltanschaunng 13:07, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * By beforehand, I meant doing something about it, before someone from outside (the regular editors, this is bordering wp:own) does some edits to the page related to the flagicons. I saw the black metal list page without the flagicons and, apparently the columns were gone (the user removed ). Considering the amount of formatting done on the thrash list, a change from the outsider will create chaos there.


 * As far as left to quizzes comment is concerned, I was talking about my opinion that country identification from just the flag's tiny thumbnail is difficult, unless you are totally familiar with that particular country's flag. IMO, if we want to include nationalities, we might as well write down their names, instead of keeping the page users guessing. But that's my opinion. However there is also a policy which defines the use of flagicons in articles. It says that flagicons should be accompanied with a link to that country, amongst other things. Weltanschaunng 05:20, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Also on another topic, do you like the new intro to the article? I am considering adding images of the big four and german three to the list. Maybe the intro needs better wording, so that it really gels with the rest of the article. Any ideas? Weltanschaunng 05:33, 6 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I think the drop down feature is pretty safe, even user:156.34.x.x supports that one. I said that the outside guy might accidently remove some tags (column tags, div tags), wrecking the article. I didn't understand how you might incorporate tables in the article, maybe remove columns? On that point, I must say I liked the way the LoCMb looked before the columns. Column removal might ease the addition of pictures, maybe even song samples (hell I am going crazy!), that's just an idea though. On the down side, article length will grow substantially.


 * A lot of stuff can be added to the intro, key labels, scenes. I am kind of visualizing the intro as a summary of the thrash metal article. We can move the photos down so that the intro doesn't look big (I added photos so the intro looked meatier:P) . I like your table idea (atleast the way I am visualizing it), but maybe you can do something in your sandbox (a single entry maybe enough)? Weltanschaunng 07:10, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Well this is what I have done User:CircafuciX/Sandbox. I created a sandbox for you, since you didn't have one (then), and mine's occupied. Weltanschaunng 08:43, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * That's a trick question! Well I don't know for sure. The format I am suggesting will increase the article length by three. Putting the pics in with it might be difficult (though there might be a way). However, if it is ever implemented, I guess exp. list feature may have no use (maybe we can still incorporate it). Dunno, time for more experimentation. Weltanschaunng 09:03, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Have a look now:User:CircafuciX/Sandbox. Weltanschaunng 09:11, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I was thinking of the images outside the table. I was thinking of adding images of the seven bands, interspersed throughout the article, like it is done in non-list articles. Weltanschaunng 09:28, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Oh yeah enuff work for a day! I got my project work to do as well. Weltanschaunng 09:35, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Hey have a look at my sandbox, especially at the metallica entry (you will need to scroll down a lot). I fashioned this after the List of Telecaster players article. The article overall seems unclean, but I think if something of that sort is done for a substantial number of entries, maybe we will be talking of FA status here. Weltanschaunng 09:32, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Well as of now I have extended the above format to the remaining big four. I am having problems with Anthrax though, I am not familiar with their music. The bio I have written is made up of 'what I gather from AMG and their article'. Can you help me on it? Thanks! Weltanschaunng 13:04, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I am unsure of their true thrash albums, the AMG article as well as the wiki article is unclear on that point. Also did they actually make a complete shift to mainstream metal on Sound of White Noise and Stomp 442? AMG is pretty much clear on the other things I've written. I have zero knowledge of Anthrax, I have only listened to Caught in a Mosh for that matter. Weltanschaunng  15:11, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * By mainstream metal, i meant an anthrax equivalent of Metallica...and yeah you can do edits on my sandbox. Weltanschaunng 16:24, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

OK...away from the topic, I'd recommend you archive your talk page. It is pretty long, also for some reason it doesn't seem to fit my screen horizontally (my res is 1024 x 768) . Weltanschaunng 16:37, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I tinkered with your talk page, and my conclusion was that the vertical dark blue bar is responsible for the horizontal problem. Weltanschaunng 17:55, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I dunno, but when I previewed with it removed, my prob was fixed (doesn't your browser show it?) Weltanschaunng  18:06, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

GA possibilities
Yes, I would like very much to see the lists of bands that could obtain this status. Of course I'll still be trying my best with SFU, but if I can get more than 1 article up to GA, then I'd be happy!

Also, I've looked, but I can't really find many more sources for SFU than the ones already listed. If you could help me with sourcing, I'd appreciate it. Thanks, Dark Executioner (talk) 23:46, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the list, but sadly I don't really listen to/like any of the bands you listed for me. Sorry, Dark Executioner (talk) 15:25, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

RE:Debate
It's over and the icons will stay. You can still put your vote on the page for future reference.(just in case the user wants to delete them again) Undeath (talk) 02:58, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Hey...
Looks like I missed the debate, but thanks for the heads-up. I used your kaidenfire e-mail, but I'm guessing you didn't receive it. :-) --Managerpants (talk) 11:28, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, incidentally, I had to chip in my 2¢ over at List of thrash metal bands to counter the Inquisition over there by the Usual Suspects. I don't get these people, truly. --Managerpants (talk) 11:51, 6 March 2008 (UTC)