User talk:Circeus/jul-oct2006

Digimon 02
I noticed your note on the Digimon talk page and to help with the sourcing on the reasons those Adventure 02 episodes were banned episodes you can use Youtube's English downloaded episode pages for that:

Episode 44 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DI1pBPUiVxc

Episode 45 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kf2l--PCkh8

Episode 46 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_4xmXIy9yw

Although videos like this scare this should help give you what you need for a source. A few important scenes I noticed when viewing these videos are; 44; MarineDevimon destroying buildings on his rampage and the fact that both Silphymon and Shakkoumon were forced to kill MarineDevimon and LadyDevimon. 45; Daemon threating to incenerate a apartment building with people watching before Imperialdramon Fighter Mode intervene. 46; the fighting in the city between WarGreymon and BlackWarGreymon including a small scene where WarGreymon is knocked into the side of a small building. I hope these video's will help you in looking for a good source for the material to prove it. -Adv193 05:20, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

I just did some checking around and this is the only source I can provide on those three banned episodes. -Adv193 15:24, 1 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually the banned episode of Pokemon Tentacool and Tentacruel was banned due to the scene of buildings being destroyed and the reason why I quit watching Digimon back then was due to noticing when I was watching that run on ABC family and it went from episode 43 to episode 47. -Adv193 15:33, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

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After checking that link to the banned episode page I think it would be better to put a citation mark on that section rather than try to delete personally as the material in the episode partly explains why Disney has chosen not to show it or you can just leave the banned episode details in but take the September 11 attack info out and believe me it was watching Digimon on ABC Family back then is where I personally got wind of it myself. -Adv193 15:39, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah looking back on this situation I can say is that these three episodes have been aired on Fox Kids but they were brought out of rotation after Disney bought out Saban, I am not comfortable about deleting this information but as I said on my last post that pargraph can be modified rather than deleted. -Adv193 16:56, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

I just rewrote the paragraph to comment that these episode used to air on Fox Kids and if you don't like the way I wrote it then you can just re-edit it or delete it if you want. Also the reason I gave you those YouTube links so you could view those three episodes yourself. -Adv193 17:43, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

category sort
I noticed you did a category sort on something I worked one. Good. Is there some wiki tool you use to do this sort or do you sort the categories manually or?. Thanks Hmains 02:39, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

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I am afraid I removed it from my watch list. It was probably a tornado of some kind or another that involved links to multiple 'History of xxx' states that I changed to 'Natural history of xxx' states. Thanks Hmains 03:19, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

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OK. Thanks anyway. Hmains 03:27, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks on the Avifauna cats
I bit off a lot working on Avifauna. However the initial page from January, (that I used) the List of Kansas birds, was then updated with pics. Because I spent a about 2 months on the List of Arizona-SW birds (Yuma County, Arizona), I had found all the errors. I was able to help his final edits, and I even left a ( ? ):, it's still on the arizona page, but 2 birds were added to answer the ?-reference. Anyway....Thanx, I progressed to plants (for the Lower Colorado River Valley,) actually, the Sonoran Desert, but have been caught here with the Natural history cats, Trees of the various states, and the Flora of Southwest, Western U.S., etc. I have been Busy. ....I will say my pride and Joy is the start at the Midwest.. the Prairie Chickens, and some select birds ( Lark Bunting) go there. It is for the moment: "Category:Fauna of Plains-Midwest U.S.", there is a Flora and a "Trees of Plains-Midwest U.S.". ....Anyhow I needed help.

A recent worker just did "all" the Natural histories, with Tornadoes, Hurricanes, etc. And the Fauna is being worked on. And i see Fishes got started, as well someone wants to do the plants of all the countries.

I actually have done many of the western states, but it is a little time consuming, going state by state, and finding the links ~ (What an Understatement..) Well, "enjoy", "peace", and in Akkadian  (to)–be–safe....  Michael inHOT,YumaAZ.. --Mmcannis 00:54, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

WP:DYK
Thanks for tidying up my DYK nominations - I have noticed your smartening up most of them recently. It feels a bit like wikistalking, but in a positive way, so thanks. – ALoan (Talk) 15:29, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

User:Ghirlandajo
You are merely the latest victim in this user's pattern of engaging in wildly uncivil behavior, accusing admins of misconduct, threatening to file grievances, and then backing off when he realizes his claims have zero merit. Don't sweat it too much. --Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 19:04, 7 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I haven't done an extensive review of your current dispute with him but I know he does have an ownership complex over articles that he has worked on. For the most part he does high-quality work; it is a shame that he is utterly incapable of working with others or adhering to WP policies regarding civility etc. See, e.g., the nightmare I went through with him over meticulously well-sourced additions to Oleg of Novgorod. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 19:11, 7 July 2006 (UTC)


 * It's a consistent pattern of bullying and intimidation, plain and simple. And when I confronted him about it in my case and challenged him to go ahead and file his claims, he backed off instantly. But I wonder how many have been cowed into submission by his threats? Frankly the only reason I didn't file claims myself is that I don't have the time or the patience to jump through the hoops. If there was some sort of proceeding against him I would certainly put my two cents in, though. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 19:17, 7 July 2006 (UTC)


 * FYI Requests for comment/Ghirlandajo --Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 19:23, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: Ghirla's pique at Briangotts
Salut Circeus,

Ben ecoute, je sais bien que Ghirla est caractériel comme tout. Moi j'ai essayé de le raisonner il y a quelque temps au sujet d'une autre remarque de ce genre, j'ai essayé de le calmer sur sa page de discussion, mais j'ai jamais eu de réponse. C'est clair que c'est un gros dilemme... – Grafikm  (AutoGRAF)  21:01, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Je suis tout à fait d'accord avec toi. Mais bon, comme on dit "on ne se refait pas". Je vais essayer de lui parler, mais comme il répond meme pas à ses messages, ça va etre un peu difficile... – Grafikm  (AutoGRAF)  21:08, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Le truc en fait, c'est qu'en ce moment, il y a un conflit giganstesque sur la partie russe de Wikipedia, dont Ghirla s'occupe beaucoup. Il y a des guerres dans tous les sens, c'est un peu le Bronx... Donc en fait, les gens qui sont déjà pas très patients par nature, comme Ghirla, démarrent au quart de tour et en général, ça explose... :( – Grafikm  (AutoGRAF)  21:18, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Ce qui se passe actuellement, c'est qu'il y a un conflit gigantesque un peu partout entre, en gros, le point de vue consideré comme "pro-russe" ou "pro-sovietique" d'un coté, et des editeurs ukrainiens et/ou polonais un peu radicaux. Personne n'est parfait dans cette histoire, mais ça degenere tres tres vite... – Grafikm  (AutoGRAF)  21:30, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Forshaw: both
I have both actually.... :-) – Kim van der Linde at venus 23:37, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Mmmm
Youve just banned an Anon, on the basis that youve assumed that im a blocked user. First off i suggest using Request For Checkuser. Second, i also suggest banning Deathrocker as appropriate for his use of Anons to violate his Revert Parole, and then him doing it openly.

Yew may also wish to go through the Abrirrition case for that user, as he was found guilty of using Anons to impersonate Leyasu a number of times as well.

If your going to ban Anons on assumptions, you should also follow policys. As an admin, thats both your duty and your job.


 * If you check the arb com case, you will also notice that Deathrocker has been banned far more times for changing those edits against policy. So that avenue of attack was pretty non-consequential.


 * Remember, your the admin. Your supposed to block people for not following policy, not for following it while you break it continiously.

If your going to block all these 'sockpuppets', i suggest blocking all of Deathrocker's known ones that he is using as well. At the minute your in massive violation of policy. Sure im violating WP:SOCK and WP:NOT. But the point is, if the admins can violate and be biased as to who they let violate policys, so can other Wikipedians. Everything works both ways.


 * Your abusing your admin powers now by blocking any user that makes an edit that doesnt agree with what you want to be on the article. Please dont force people to start reporting people for this. As an admin your supposed to uphold policy, not violate them whenever you see fit to push your own views onto articles and/or compromise the intergrity of articles. Also, grammatical corrections do not count as Vandalism. I am also not a sockpuppet. Im sure a Request For Checkuser can verify that one, as well.

Plus, labelling my reverts as vandalism is wrong as well. What your restoring is vandalism that several admins before you have reverted. The AbrCom also ordered it reverted in case yew forgot to check. Policys also demand they be reverted.

It was also labeled vandalism before as well.

What your currently doing is giving the two fingers to policy, the arbcom, and most of Wikipedia. Not paticularly admin behaviour that.

Sockpuppet?
Hi Circeus, I've noticed that the IPs, and ‎ are similar, and they have vandalised the same articles. Could they be sockpuppets from different IPs? --T e rrancommand e r 14:53, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Persondata
I've noticed that you are one of the very few persondata adders and your contributions are therefore greatly appreciated! :-) One thing I've noticed is that you tend to put the name as it appears in the article title as the "name" field and the name in full (e.g. with initials expanded) in the "alternate names" field. My guess, going from the instructions at the WP:PERSON page, is that it should be the other way round and the "name" section should have the name written out as fully as possible. Does that make sense or does it sound like I'm barking up the wrong tree? TheGrappler 15:33, 8 July 2006 (UTC)


 * There's definitely some ambiguity. I initially thought the same as you. But then I noticed: When specifying the person's name, use the following format: [surname], [forename] [middle names], [title]. For most cases this will be straightforward, for example, "George Walker Bush" becomes "Bush, George Walker". So my guess is that if forename and middle names are available, they ought to be used. I think the convention of using the article name is more about making sure that if there are variations on the name (e.g. a person famous under a stage name, or different romanizations of a Cyrillic name) then the variation used as the article title ("the most common in English", at least in theory) should be the first name on the Persondata, but fully expanded. Does that make sense? TheGrappler 21:37, 8 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I just took "[middle names]" to mean actual middle names, in full. It's an interesting question and I'm certainly not criticising you over your choice. Just thought it was odd we were doing things in different ways - which is a sign the pair of us are actually working against consistency at the moment! I am currently writing a note - representing both views - on the talk page for persondata. Feel free to intervene if I misrepresent you; I just think it would be wise to canvas some third opinions! TheGrappler 21:46, 8 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Ah, you see, the whole thing is so ambiguous I actually took that advice as neutral between our points of view. When it says "use the name in the article title", I agree entirely - some people have multiple names (Cassius Clay, anybody?), so we should use the name used in the the article title. But I suggest writing it in full, and you suggest leaving it in the truncated title form. Both of us agree with using the title name though. TheGrappler 21:54, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Panairjdde
I'm not really involved in the continuing dispute. I only started reverting his edits as vandalism because I noticed a user was making changes en masse (which is rightly suspicious), and noticed that he had ignored an admin. I was only active in the matter because none of the admins seemed to notice what he was doing. Now the community has noticed the argument between him and Codex Sinaticus, I've moved on. CRCulver 23:00, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Dear Admin, I think it is quite obvious that Panairjdde is quite the controversial character. He seems to be engaging flame/edit wars with many people (look up his discussions and history) and worst of all, lets his bias influence his edits on Wikipedia. First of all, all my discussion relating to edits were deleted - leading me no choice but to edit unilaterally, which was not what I had planned to do. Second of all, it is quite obvious that he lets his bias control the way he edits - and his use of double-standards from one article to another shows this. Next, is the fact that he is indeed engaging in multiple edit wars - which is quite the distraction to Wikipedia and causes many other Wikipedians great distress at the activities of this troll. Please do something about this, he is angering other Wikipedians due to his penchant for deleting anything that he is personally against and therefore is a negative influence on this site.

Re: Chamber of Nationalities
I'm awfully sorry, but I am afraid you'll have to ask the article's author about that information. It does meet the DYK criteria in every way, though. -Fsotrain09 04:13, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the intervention
...with the Leyasu IP sock. I am not inclined to go 3RR battling with her. Does constant circumventing her block fall under the vandlism banner...and should it be reported at WP:AIV? Or should it be posted at WP:ANI? Again thanks! Fair Deal 15:27, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Re : semi-protection
Because you're classical, like me? Protection to me are still in terms of full protection from all editors. :P - Cheers, Mailer Diablo 16:16, 9 July 2006 (UTC)


 * No problem, my friend. And there's the Finals to watch too! :D - Cheers, Mailer Diablo 16:24, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Duke of Caxias
Thanks for yhour help and pointing my attention to that error, however, I simply removed the remark about Sao Paulo etc. I left additional comments on that article's talk page. Please try to find any other errors, as the Portuguese article seems very vague and hard to read (as I am not a native speaker of that language, it was even harder).



But anyway, thanks NOVO-REI 16:40, 9 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Okay, references have been added, which I explained further on here. Some references retain Portuguese, as it is pretty hard to get detailed information outside the host language.  However, I did this with Confederation of the Equator and Pernambucan Revolt, which were both nominated, and have both passed from DYK.  So, I'm trying ;-).  Although, I have to respect you - I understand you are looking out for the betterment of the community. NOVO-REI 17:22, 9 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for all your help, I've been watching it. I am sorry about the mistakes I make, perhaps I not a very good Wikipedian, unfortunately.  WIkipedia is blessed to have people like you in it though. NOVO-REI 18:06, 9 July 2006 (UTC)


 * You're welcome, but I am NR, from above - sometimes I get signed out automatically (don't ask me why:-) ). 24.164.196.105 18:27, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

So, what do you think of the article now? And me as a newcomer? NOVO-REI 18:32, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Amorphis albums
Please stop reinserting this category, it is broken and I am trying to fix the problem. Also, it is entirely unnecessary, there are only seven of them. Just zis Guy you know? 20:03, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you!
Thank you for the award. I didn't do much but I only hate people writing wrong digivolutions. I'm very happy to see it. Onur

Moving Generic Citations
Hi - because Citation templates had been a redirect to a category and edited 2 times, User:Ligulem had to manually move using a cut and paste from Template messages/Sources of articles/Generic citations. Can you delete Citation templates and move Generic citations there (or merge the history. Thx in adv -- Trödel 00:08, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

new day boilerplate
Regarding your deletion of the NEW NOMINATIONS section, that allows the &section=2 parameter to work on the TfD instructions. In turn, that prevents edit conflicts during nominations. It also gives a clear target for those that don't bother to read and follow instructions. Nudge nudge, wink wink.

The alternative would be to order the nominations from oldest to newest; then the &section=new could be used. But that would break months/years of tradition.

Please don't delete it again.
 * --William Allen Simpson 00:40, 10 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry about that. It looked like some misguidedly-inserted header. Circeus 00:42, 10 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Let's hope not too many folks have the same reaction. The old way (edit the whole page) can take forever, creates edit conflicts, and is more load on the servers.  One advantage of &section=new would be that it's a built-in, not relying on page format.
 * --William Allen Simpson 17:13, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

If you're not interested in overextending yourself over this user, trying to patch things up, as it were, don't worry about it. While assuming good faith, I also intend to not be stupid, keeping an eye on his potential future contributions carefully.

However, if you'd like to clarify your thoughts based on the "contribution, not the contributor" ideal, that is, explaining more on the purpose, it might warm him up. Nevertheless, there's no obligation to, until his future contributions proves him to be less of a detraction to Wikipedia than I gather he definitely seems to be to you.

Thanks again, CobaltBlueTony 02:10, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Hamdan v. Rumsfeld
Thanks for the help and response.(Robp 21:20, 10 July 2006 (UTC))

Railway terminals & beyond
Hi, Circeus. Thanks for pointing me to the policy which I myself mostly wrote, it's nice to know my work was not in vain and that people quote it on occasion :)

The reason for the revert was quite simple, though. WP:RUS indeed says that the "-ий" endings could be romanized as either "-y" or "-iy". The choice is ultimately made by the author of the original text. Changing one variant into another is just impolite as changing British spelling into American.

Please contact me again if you have further questions about this.&mdash;Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 14:43, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Template:Principal cities of Poland
I'm not getting into an edit war with you over this, but what you claim is an "established standard" is clearly not by the disclaimer: This is for informational purposes: listing here does not imply endorsement. Your format, which oddly enough sets the flag afloat somewhere in center right, far off the right border, appears in about four or five boxes, far from a "standard". You might also want to cut down on the language you use on other good-faith editors. In conjunction with your poor spelling it makes you come across as a bit limited. ~ trialsanderrors 05:19, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
 * It might not be an "endorsement", but consistency (mostly in color here) is good. Besides, that version was needlessly constricted and poorly coded. My spelling, as far as I am aware, is no worse than any other users, although I readily admit issues with my computer's spacebar. Circeus 05:22, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Color is not grounds for reversion. Explain poorly coded. Clearly a template that can't fix the flag to the right border shouldn't be held up as an example for good coding. ~ trialsanderrors 05:30, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I've move the discussion to Template talk:Poland

Reverting blocked user edits
Hello. Thank you for blocking Italy national football team vandal. A question: if I revert his contribution/vandalism, will this count towards my infringment of 3RR? Thanks--Panairjdde 14:11, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Dear Admin, it is quite obvious, that while Panairjdde works the undermine other national football pages, he keeps the Italian National Site under his under supervision, deleting anything that he is presoally against. Not only this, he has deleted my discussions - forcing unilaterial edits instead of edits through discussions between peers. Also, it should be noted that Panairjdde does frequently clash with many other Wikipedians for his shameful actions and unilateral deletions on pages that he personally does not favour without listening to the discussion of the other Wikipedian. It should also be noted, that this user engages in double-standards and hypocracy as he frequently attacks other National Team pages while keeping his own, squeaky clean. One needs to only look at the Korean Republic football discussions page and Panairjdde's own discussion page to see the negative impact this user has on the Wikipedia community. Please take all these issues into account, and note that not only I have been foiled by his personal bias, but many other users have clashed with this user, due to his own personal judgements over-ruling the need for good, unbiased Wikipedia pages.

Armenian dram and language icon
I can see your point. But many countries are multi lingual. Take a look at Swiss franc and Finnish mark. If you have a strong reason to remove the language icon from Armenian dram, then make some rules that make sense, and apply that to all currencies. '''Don't fix one instance of the problem. Fix the entire class of the problem.''' --Chochopk 00:21, 13 July 2006 (UTC)


 * So do you think that there *should* be language icons when there are more than 1 language? What about the case where the language name is not implied by the country name (e.g. Malay is the language of Brunei, Dzongkha is the language of Bhutan) --Chochopk 03:15, 13 July 2006 (UTC)


 * OK. I don't have a problem with that. But I still don't understand what you mean by "part of the lead". Can you give examples? Let's try Rwandan franc, Brunei dollar, and Canadian dollar. About more than 1 non-English language, what about using templates like lang-fr? --Chochopk 03:38, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * What is the lead? --Chochopk 03:48, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Got it. What I originally intended was to make the currency infobox like country infobox. But I felt country infobox fails to address this issue. But I still think it is important to include this information in the infobox, and language indication is required when 1) there are more than 1 non-English languages, 2) the language spoken is not implied from the country name. I will devise a consistent method of doing so. --Chochopk 03:54, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Good idea. If I them all, would u mind if I put it back for Armenian? --Chochopk 04:00, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you
Hello, Circeus, thank you for your support and for your advises. I have now written an answer where I quotate some references. It is so sad to be out of an article because an authoritarian attitude, but I just cannot do the same, because the subjects of my interest are almost the same of Ghirla. As a matter of fact, I suspect that he reviews my contribution list to watch new articles and change them. See Las Médulas, Granada Charterhouse, or the special case of First Romanesque, style that was first denied its existence, (he first thought it was original research, then that it was about the churches in a valley in Catalonia): when given evidences with sources and quotations, he stopped his acusations but then changed the name of the article without any explanation. As other user and I requested for an explication of the change, he just changed again to the former, without a word. It is very hard to work in an enciclopedia with that "help". I have lost most of my time here writing letters to him and trying to dialogue with him. He may be prolific editor, but I am not ashamed of my contributions, I think they are valuable and I don´t deserve such a treatment. Thank you again, and cheer up!--Garcilaso 12:46, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I would also like to ask to you which is the adequate proceeding to inform of the problem or to have some external help. Although I have been writting here for months, I still don´t know how to defend from such attaks. Last one is a clear threat for restoring the chronological order of the interventions at the talk page, formerly changed by him to make no sense of my interventions, that complaint of his silence although he was editing that days. . What can I do? Thank you for advance, --Garcilaso 13:25, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Unsourced Information
Considering you placed the protection tag on the template, I was hoping you can look at the user who I have been edit warring with edits on a related article. The user keeps adding a highly POV unsourced piece of information. When I removed it and told them it violates WP:OR and isnt even attempting to be verified, they tell me to add a fact tag and put it back. I do not understand why anyone would keep adding back information they know to not be verifiable, or why they would attempt to keep it in the article. I understand leaving fact tags perhaps when the original person who cited it cannot be found, but this user simply refuses to provide a source for the statement.


 * statement -

All I have been told by this user is I should rewrite it if I have a problem, but since there no source, whats there to rewrite? I can't state a view differently if there is no source for it at all, and one refuses to be given. -- zero faults   ' '' 16:13, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Template:War on Terrorism
The following articles removed from the template definitely belong there:

1. Bybee memo. It is about the prisoners captured during the War on Terrorism. 2. Combatant Status Review Tribunal. It is about the prisoners captured during the War on Terrorism. 3. Extraordinary rendition. It is about the prisoners captured during the War on Terrorism. 4. Long War. The Bush Administration has callen the War on Terrorism that. 5. Unitary executive theory. It is about the prisoners captured during the War on Terrorism. 6. U.S. government response to the September 11, 2001 attacks. Do I need to explain? 7. Detroit Sleeper Cell. This was certainly not a main event.

The following articles were added, and shouldn't have been:

1. 2002 Bali bombing. This was not a main event. If the Madrid and London attacks are not listed, why this one? 2. Hambali. His organzation's article is listed, and has a link to his. 3. Khadaffy Janjalani. His organzation's article is listed, and has a link to his. 4. Shamil Basayev. His organzation's article is listed, and has a link to his. 5. Moscow theater hostage crisis. The Second Chechen War article is listed, and has a link to it.

Notice that the articles that belong there even the template, and the ones that don't doesn't have it.

As the Second Chechen War and the Al-Aqsa Intifada are ongoing conflicts, they should be listed as "Contemporaneous conflicts", just as the other war templates have that section.

Also, why were the borders of the flags removed?

Please, fix the template accordingly. Esaborio 06:06, 14 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I removed the borders once because they were causing the names to break off from the flags, my resolution is 1280,1024 and I use IE if that helps. -- zero faults   ' '' 11:40, 14 July 2006 (UTC)


 * We list Koffi Annan when the UN is listed, we list Osama bin Laden when al-Qaeda is listed, we have Ayman al-Zawahiri, who is not even the leader listed. Yet the other group should not have its leader listed? Abu Sayyaf and Jeemah Islamiyah are major players in OEF-P, they are responcible for Oplan Bojinka, they held the summitt that had the 9/11 suicide bombers gathered. They are responcible for the bomings in the Philippines that led to the US involvement in the area, one that was asked for by the government after Abu Sayyaf kidnapped numerous US tourists in the area. They play a bigger role on the terrorist side then most of the nations listed play on the anti-terrorist side.

Yes, but they never appear anywhere, unlike bin Laden and ZAWAHIRI. Esaborio 04:34, 15 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Furthermore it seems Nescio is refusing the even answer the question regarding the 2005 Bali bombing and instead wants to rewrite the entire template. He is actually refusing to answer why he removed it. I find his dismissal of me quite in bad faith, and since that is the issue that originally led to the template being protected, can you please ask Nescio directly to answer why he removed the item. He will ignore me, but perhaps he will nto dismiss you. -- zero faults   ' '' 10:42, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

I'll see what I can do. Esaborio 04:34, 15 July 2006 (UTC)


 * My main issue is Bali, but just to point out, one of the London bombers specifically stated that Iraq and Afghanistan was there reason for action, it was an attack on a country for their support of the WOT, its obviously relevant. -- zero faults   ' '' 11:37, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

I have no problem with listing the London bombings. Esaborio 04:34, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Obviously, I already have posted my two cents there. Esaborio 04:29, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

I posted on template talk:War on Terrorism. Esaborio 05:24, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Margherita Gonzaga d'Este
Sorry, how's this? Mak (talk)  23:24, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Nicole Manske assistance
Thank you for your assistance in the Nicole Manske. I just received a DYK today, similar to what I got for Alevtina Kolchina on June 29, 2006. I look forward to working with you on future endeavours. Chris 16:43, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

You've been getting a lot of these lately

 * Your contributions here are certainly appreciated – Samir  धर्म 02:27, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Bot request for ISBN template
I consider myself a budding coder and could probably write some bots. I'd like to write a bot for Project Echo, but I need to get my feet wet. Writing something that only needs to perform a quick check rather than something highly intensive sounds like a good first attempt...if you still need such a bot. If you don't, could you refer me to the person who wrote the bot so I could ask them for some pointers? Xaxafrad 02:46, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Substituting templates? I'm not familiar with the details regarding the use of the isbn template (including why it's not supposed to be used). I've read the TfD page, and checked out some of the 'What Links Here'. It seems it's been thru TfD twice, and the consensus seemed to be delete. In the future, however, somebody may use the wrong template on several dozen articles and you want to use a bot to change ISBN into  ? Basically, just tell me the steps you want a bot to perform (download the whatlinkshere page for old template first, I think). Xaxafrad 05:38, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Avifauna cats, and the others
Hi Jean-Sebastian, again you helped me previously, and I just want to give some notes: Montana ended up in Categ:Avifauna of Northwestern United states, and Categ:Avifauna of Plains-Midwest. A few other states could also be put in two categories.

I worked on all of the west, as well as some of Mexico. So there should be constistency on any one page. If you look at a "Natural history of X" page, an idea of what to expect is there. One of the first states i did, (I live in Arizona=) was New Mexico which has the Chihuahuan Desert in the south of the state. the Categ: Rio Grande ended up in the Natural history page of New Mexico. (It is a fairly undeveloped category(Rio Grande).). And keep up my happy guffaws: " A page a day!", a very high ampbition. Michael in HOT,yumaAZ --Mmcannis 13:40, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

what?
I've been floating infoboxes in the top-right corner since day one, as I find whitespace above an infobox to be visually unsettling. The page you've cited does not appear to be an active one, and I don't see any discussion on the talk page regarding the assertion that dablinks should have an unobstructed easement to the right side of the screen. I don't understand the benefit of doing so either. Seems like page-scroll creep to me. – Jul. 16, '06  [18:12] < [ freak]&#124;[ talk] >
 * Ignoring, for a second, the orange "New messages" banner, can you actually say that this looks well-formated? Also, if the order that elements appear in the page source is more critical than their relative layout on the screen, perhaps we should have the infoboxes' css class force them back up to the top corner of the page? – Jul. 16, '06  [18:46] < [ freak]&#124;[ talk] >
 * How about this. – Jul. 16, '06  [18:51] < [ freak]&#124;[ talk] >
 * Believe me, I do see a lot of egregious misuses, which I typically clean up, as I did in this case by creating a disambiguation page, but I often get reverted. Back to the previous question: is there an easy way to keep an infobox in the top right corner rather than below the linebreak(s) created by the disambiguation link(s)? – Jul. 16, '06  [19:08] < [ freak]&#124;[ talk] >
 * So if we make all the infoboxes use the correct css, fix the broken, non-standard skins, and kill all subst'ed/hand-coded infoboxes with a stick, it can be done... That's a relief. I'll start on it as soon as I find the time. – Jul. 16, '06  [19:30] < [ freak]&#124;[ talk] >

Another thing I just thought about... If I understand correctly, the part of the concern here is readability (err... listenability rather) for visually impaired users, who would have to listen to the infobox text before hearing the dablink. Now I have never used or witnessed the use of a screen reader (and I've heard that the ones that are worth a damn are rather expensive, so not likely to happen), but somebody told me a few months ago during a discussion about infoboxen that certain tags enable the listener to skip various sections at will, including the infobox, and that there was something to that effect in the .css files, and that there were also certain tags affecting the sequence in which text is parsed by the synthesizer (I don't remember the specifics). All that aside, however, I would suggest that if the user cannot determine from the infobox text (only upon reaching the dablink) that he/she is at the wrong article, there is most likely something fundamentally flawed about the infobox itself. – Jul. 16, '06  [19:50] < [ freak]&#124;[ talk] ></tt>

I just thought of something else: I was blind, I'd probably prefer for a template to be at the top of an article, so I'd know to skip said article and move on, rather than enjoying one paragraph of prose, and then disappointedly realizing that there is no more content. I'm not trying to be sarcastic or offend people with disabilities... it just seems like it would be a big concern. – Jul. 16, '06 <tt> [19:56] < [ freak]&#124;[ talk] ></tt>

Revert war
Hi Circeus, I saw your blocking of User:PedroPVZ and User:João Correira because of a revert war. I think it could be better for the template that these two users were unblocked, since they are two of the most important editors on Portuguese issues. Since I've started a discussion in the template talk page trying to solve the issue, I was hoping that the two users in question could work together and share their views. Hope you understand. Thanks. Joao pais  01:44, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Three hours is fine. Thanks for clarifying. Joao  pais  01:52, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Good article!
I thought you might be interested to know the article we worked on, "Winston tastes good like a cigarette should," has been promoted to good article status after just one day. Thanks for contributing to a job well done! Mike H. I did "That's hot" first! 04:19, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Blocked user Leyasu is editing again
This time she is using IP 86.143.122.86 And editing the Gothic metal article.Fair Deal 14:43, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Update, add anoth IP...81.157.83.168 same copycat edits to Gothic metal Fair Deal 16:17, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanku for ed./suggestion re creation of maps
Dear Circeus,

Thank-you for your edit (rm problem causing space) of 10 July on my contribution to the Discussion page for Spanish Baroque. Which was my first edit since acquiring a user name.

Currently I am collaborating with Alessandro57 on aspects of the Borgo XIV rione of Rome article. It occured to me that this article as all artilcles in Wikipedia of a simitar geographical nature for any locality on the globe, would benefit greatly by the special creation of maps. Now I understand that the use of a historial map as illustration where copyright has expired is encoraged BUT, reproducing any map produced recently is not. HOWEVER the inform that any map repoduces is in the public domain. It is the artistic license in the creation of a map, (for example roads may be anywhere from three to ten times actual size) which makes of any map an original work and potentioally liable to breach of copyright. IF however an existing map is sufficiently altered, say by the removal of some of the information, the altering of others, it then becomes in turn a new work of art. I myself have had some experience of the process in that I modified the floor plan of a certain building, to how it might have looked in an earlier period. In my case using scissors and paste. But today with computer scanning, might it not be quite easy to scan a map into the computer and make many alterations quickly and easily. It may require collaboration between someone wise to the ways of altering images and the writer. Selected information refrered to in the article, such as the location of specific buildings could be included on the map' and maybe even a system of cross referencing. Ideally map and text should be as close as possible to each other on the page. I'm sure that many if not all of the points I've raised have already occured to many wikipedians, but I feel sure that someone with your experience and seniority might be able to direct me appropriately.

thaks again johndvincent--Johndvincent 10:22, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Gothic Metal
Why did yew just revert grammatical corrections to the page? And then protect a vandalised version from IP's being used by Deathrocker to violate his revert parole?


 * I played a core role in writing the original article. What i did was corrected my own grammatical errors and mass link spam. I also went through the talk page and gathered the most prominent sources, most of which i dont even like (Metal-Archives is a site im reknown for hating), and per WP:EL attached a brief comment explaining the relevance of the page.


 * So, mind backing it back to the one i just editing grammatically? Yew can knock the sites off if its that much a problem, it doesnt concern me that much. My only intention was to correct the gramma and wording. Check the edit if yew wish.

RfAr involving Zero
Apparently mediation does not improve the current conflict I have with this user. Since I am at my wits end I have filed a case at ArbCom. This is to notify you should you wish to comment there. Nomen Nescio <i style="color:blue; font-size:smaller;">Gnothi seauton</i> 11:05, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Are blogs allowed as external links?
Circeus, User:84.233.226.200 has just added a blog to the external links of the Refrigeration article. The blog is at Refrigeration World. I find it fairly interesting and well-written and my inclination would be to allow it. But does Wikipedia frown on blogs as external links? Please let me know by responding here. - mbeychok 17:29, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Re:DYK
Hi - The two Rediff links, and to a minor extent the CPI link are the references for the article. It is not necessary to have book references. But I'll find more net sources just to be safe. This Fire Burns Always  19:43, 23 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Please note that Rediff.com is a credible news site. Its not a blog or an ordinary commercial website (no doubt it is commercial). This Fire Burns Always   19:44, 23 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Then its a minor issue - I'll rectify it immediately. Thanks, This Fire Burns Always   19:50, 23 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks. This Fire Burns Always   20:04, 23 July 2006 (UTC)


 * The name "Dutta" is commonly spelled "Datta" as well in India. Its true that the sources spell it Datta, but its also spelt Dutta. I'll make this clarification at the top of the article. This Fire Burns Always   20:37, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Template:Nevada State Historic Places
Wow... I'll definitely support deletion of that. In fact, I think I'll list it right now. --SPUI (T - C) 22:30, 23 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I've listed it at TFD - it shouldn't be hard to make it into a list. --SPUI (T - C) 22:33, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Template:Nevada State Historic Places
When I started that I never realized how many there were. I have been thinking about how to split it up. The only alternative I have is to do one for each county with links to the templates for the other counties. Would doing that make sense? BTW, I have been slowly working down the number of red links in that template. But with the number of missing articles, that will take a while. Vegaswikian 22:39, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Yea, there are link issues in several places. As I was building the template I caught a few.  If I split the template into pieces, then the county portions could be placed in the list.  That would shorten the list and make navigation between the various sites and counties easier.  It would get the list down to a bit over a page for most users.  Does that sound like a good way to go?  BTW, I did notice the nomination.  I also pointed out there that you and I were discussing this here to try and implement a better solution and asking that it not be acted on for now.
 * Another option would be to just use that template in line in the list article to improve its layout and deal with the county templates later. This would eliminate the redlink concerns for some of the larger counties that don't have any articles on these places yet. Vegaswikian 23:35, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

ED209 and Vaughan

 * Circeus, first off, thanks for getting involved - I know many admins want to stay away from the Vaughan dispute, but its appreciated. Anyways, I have been contemplating an RfC on ED209 lately, however, after my RfC on User:Eyeonvaughan kinda fizzled out after he was found to be a sockpuppet of User:VaughanWatch, I'm not sure how effective the RfC/U process is. What would you reccomend? Mediation? Arbitration? RfC? - pm_shef 04:21, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Stop posting on Vaughan-related articles like you promised you would. Problem solved.  I would probably back off from touching them as well if this occurred.  As of right now, my role is to counter-balance your posts in order to maintain some objectivity. ED209 04:23, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh for goodness sakes! Wikistalking much?! ED's nonsense notwithstanding, I'd still like your opinion Circeus. - pm_shef 04:28, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Wikistalking is not a word. ED209 04:30, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
 * ED, stop this nonsense. Of course it is as far as Wikipedia is concerned, but whether you are stalking pm is not the matter. I'll point out to him that I posted on your talk before he posted here. However, I'd request that you two keep your quabbling on your respective talk pages and out of mine. Mediation is clearly needed here. Circeus 04:34, 24 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I hate when users make accusations without doing their homework. I am not user:VaughanWatch and this was proven.  user:pm_shef would even agree with this.  Please assume good faith. ED209 05:10, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Dutta Samant
Thanks for helping fix the refs – Samir   धर्म  13:26, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

WP:OWN
Neither you have editorial control. Please learn to resolve editorial conflicts peacefully, through mediation and arbitration procedures and not through blocks. Your taciturn revert warring will not be tolerated. -- Ghirla <sup style="color:#C98726;">-трёп-  15:46, 24 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Dont worry, please watch the article for instances such as this (minus the $) and dont let yourself be intimidated. Ghirla and conflict is like Khan and war :D from what I have read. See Sortavala for what is happening :(. After making one edit to my family's hometown I have come across this editor, checked his history, talk... seems his smugness and overblown ego results in childish hissy fits, name-calling and personal offence. 83.5.250.98 22:08, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Incivility
To me "Thanks, no really, thanks soo much for helping us to "save" this article of shit. " seems like a very sarcastic, vulgar and uncivil remark. I am surprised that you would try to describe it otherwise. Kappa 16:28, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Persondata
Hey, Thanks for the screenshot. --Jerzy•t 17:56, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

On User:83.5.250.98 and his edits
Hi Circeus,

As you might have noticed, there is this new IP (several of them in fact).

I suspect, though I obviously can't prove it, that this IP is in fact User:Molobo, banned for a year because of numerous edit warrying and personal attack (the adress is .pl). As it is, it is merely a suspiscion of mine, but as an admin, you are warned :) – Grafikm  <sup style="color:red;">(AutoGRAF)  23:48, 24 July 2006 (UTC)


 * So far I managed to track three, in chronological order:


 * (most recent)
 * (most recent)
 * (most recent)

Cheers, -- Grafikm  <sup style="color:red;">(AutoGRAF)  23:55, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Digimon evolutions
Those are the offical digieveloutions as certified by Bandai so shut it moron. My information comes from Henry Frese the vice president of the New York division of bandai. P.S. He is also my uncle so buzz off. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by April2 (talk • contribs).


 * Apperntly you have never seen episode 55 of season 1 it was cut in both japan and america and the ending was edited into episode 54. Well ive seen it and all 8 digimon Digivolve to the mega level to defeat Mephistomon who was formed from his data.


 * p.s. My uncle is one of americas top digimon experts and he showed me the episode.


 * p.p.s. my uncle would not like being called an unceditable source so for the last time change the articles back. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by April2 (talk • contribs).

Please unprotected and/or delete/blank my userpage.
Also please delete the image I have uploaded which is on my userpage.

Thank you very much!

--TheEmoEater 01:41, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Er...no and yes
Hi. No, my having protected his page doesn't give me any special insight. But the diff you posted on my page showed that only the stuff just above that's signed by the EE came from him (unless you're assuming that the other user who didn't know to sign is his sock, but I don't exactly see why you would). EE's message seems to make good sense. I saw his edit to his talkpage pop up on my watchlist, so I had already unprotected his page. Bishonen | talk 02:01, 25 July 2006 (UTC).

Keeping in check
I'll try. x42bn6 Talk 02:18, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Template:Hero Cities
You seem to be savvy about templates. Could you check this one and advise us how to improve it? I feel that, in its present form, it is quite inadequate to be featured in such high-profile articles as Moscow or Kiev. Should we arrange the hero cities chronologically? -- Ghirla <sup style="color:#C98726;">-трёп-  06:45, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't care about inclusion problems, but I would like to see the template layout changed. Probably it should not be as wide as it is and the towns are better be arranged by chronology rather than by country. Could you come up with some suggestions as to layout? -- Ghirla <sup style="color:#C98726;">-трёп-  17:34, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Much better, thanks. -- Ghirla <sup style="color:#C98726;">-трёп-  07:10, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Panair
Unlikely that that is Panair if you ask me... Panair claims to be native Italian-speaking and posting in Italy, and has not been interested in US issues like Boy Scouts... He also claims not to prefer CE - his normal MO is only to strip the AD, not to replace it with CE. This anon has just changed two articles from AD to CE last night, only the timing looked odd as it started soon after Pan's socks were blocked! Thanks for the alert tho'... ፈቃደ (ውይይት) 15:54, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

re Bullock (from my talk page)

 * A little of both. I mainly used IMDB for the works and the AP Obit and the Emmy site for info, but didn't want to link them as references because I'd prefer primary references.  I was trying to find other sources, but haven't been successful yet. :( Syrthiss 18:48, 25 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I was hoping I could find newspaper articles or a book. There was information on the Emmy bio that said he had won an award and been nominated for an Emmy...  You think that is sufficient sourcing to mention them in the article as well? Syrthiss 19:06, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

User:65.211.193.185
I think they are creating the links as fast as you can delete them. Can they be blocked? --Brian G 20:11, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Requests for arbitration/Zer0faults
Hello,

An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened: Requests for arbitration/Zer0faults. Please add evidence to the evidence sub-page, Requests for arbitration/Zer0faults/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Requests for arbitration/Zer0faults/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, --Tony Sidaway 10:39, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

cite journal2
Hi Circeus - that would be brilliant if you could; I've no idea how to edit these templates - MPF 18:12, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks! There's quite a few pages using journal2, so they'll need to be edited first before it is deleted - MPF 18:16, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 * More thoughts - wondering if the without quotes could be made the default? (i.e., rather than have a quotes=no line, have a quotes=yes line for those who do want them) - MPF 18:17, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Ugly table
Yes please. :-) Snottygobble 05:08, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Your changes to the table are an improvement, but I still think it's butt-ugly. The problem is I don't know how to remedy it. Do you think it would be better to kill the float altogether and put the info inline, per Taxonomy of Banksia? Snottygobble 05:45, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I put it at the bottom because I wanted it to be consistent with image captions. But then I coloured the caption green to make it look more like a taxobox. That was a bit illogical since taxoboxes have section headings at the top. At the top then. I'd like a better caption. The taxobox uses "Scientific classification" so I've tried "Infrageneric classification" to be consistent.  Too heavy? Snottygobble 06:21, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: Template:South Korea
Hello, I think you misunderstood my edit summary (which was my fault). My edit summary meant that when *I* consulted the discussion board about the change, *I* didn't get any comments about it. When I read my edit summary again, I just realised that when it is interpreted as what you think it meant ("someone has to discuss on our notice boards first before changing this template, goddamn it!!"), it did sound quite rude! I apologise for that.

As for the template, when you made the template consistent with other countries (which you did with a few mistakes), you broke the consistency with all the other Korean templates. Besides, in Korea, the administrative divisons are always listed starting with Seoul, then the 'jikhalsi', then the provinces (which is actually why we have it in this order in the first place!). So since it is going to be inconsistent with one or the other, I think it's a good idea to keep it in the same order as it is usually found in Korea. Thus I posted about this on the Korea-related discussion board, and being an active board as it is and I did not get any reply, I took the action of returning it to the previous format (and updating the name for Jeju).

I hope you understand this, and I apologise again for the apparent rudeness in my edit summary. – KittySaturn 06:55, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: Medalbox
I assume you mean the MedalTop family of templates, which are probably best described on Template talk:MedalTop, although some of it is a little outdated. mattbr30 09:21, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Template:War on Terrorism
User:Nescio, the one participating in the edit war has since left Wikipedia, or is on a long extended break. Is it possible to have the page unprotected since the constant reverting should cease. Furthermore the article is lacking quite a bit of information agreed to on the talk page. Thank you. -- zero faults   ' '' 16:14, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Should we do something about this?
- I am of course not neutral here. I am not sure if you are... but really, there must be some limits to how much one can bend (or break and jump on) WP:CIV.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus talk 17:08, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Steve Millen
1) I created a references section. Is this what you meant? 2) What is the purpose of the data that you added? 3) Thanks for updating the category. I did actually look in the parent category, but I missed the New Zealander racecar drivers (it had wrapped to the bottom of my screen). I wasted around 15 minutes trying in vain to find out the proper name for a New Zealand person so I could create a new category! --Royalbroil 21:40, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Persondata template on Joubert de la Ferté
Hi, you recently added a persondata box to Philip Joubert de la Ferté. It dosen't appear to do anything. Could you have a look at it? Greenshed 23:27, 28 July 2006 (UTC) Ah. Thanks. Greenshed 23:32, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Esaborio
I alerted User:MONGO to this, but as you just blocked him you should know this too. Esaborio has also exceeded three reverts at the War on Terrorism article:  Three are with his account and one is with his IP account, which he confirmed here. He has been blocked for exceeding 3 reverts in the World War Three article and now the WOT Template, but not yet for this. This makes 3 times in the past 2 days that he has exceeded it. ~ Rangeley ( talk ) 00:23, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Need Admin help
Sorry to bug you, you're really the only admin I've had any previous communication with so I thought I'd ask for help. Last week I tried to clean up the external links section of the AC/DC article. there were a couple of non-notable fan-sites plus one site claimed as the official webpage. The "official" claiment is not the one listed by any search engines. User:NCC17 appears to have taken ownership of that section and my clean up. To avoid the rv war I just ignored it and walked away. This user has a long history of edits on this one article and all the edits are bent on maintaining this incorrect link references. I am not the only person who has tried to correct them. Now I see the user is caught in another rv war....this time with an anon. The arin lookup indicates the anon is in Atlantic Canada. Problem is, every time NCC17 rv's back to his own version he keeps adding accusations against me in the edit summary window. I live and work on the Canadian west coast. I guess somehow he expects me to travel 4000 miles just to rv his edits. Aside from WP:OWN and WP:EL and possibly WP:SPAM, to me the user has now moved on to WP:CIVIL, WP:AGF and WP:NPA violations with me as his target. What can I do? I do not want to deal with the user directly. My own AGF has grown quite thin. Can you give me some administrator advice on how I should handle this. No matter who tries to edit that section now I am worried the user will just keep spewing personal attacks at me. Thanks and good day! Fair Deal 17:47, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

These are the most ridiculous, baseless charges I have ever read! Talk about a personal attack! In the first place, I have added a lot of useful info to the AC/DC page over the last several years as well as eliminated a number of non-factual statements on the band. I've also worked on the sentence structure of submitted information to avoid repetitiveness and added links to other wiki articles whenever possible when editing? What has Fair Deal ever added? (Btw, not all I've added to the page has been under my current account as my accounts have changed over the years when I lost passwords or changed IP's.) I have also done my best to make sure the information posted in it is fair and accurate at every turn. I'm not even sure Fair Deal is a fan of this band because he or she doesn't even know what accadacca.net is or who runs it. I also have done my best to make sure that the external links represent the best, most knowledgeable AC/DC reference sites on the net and I have never added a spam link such as the one Fair Deal kept adding called "musicbrainz" which no ac/dc fan I know has ever even heard of! Fair Deal added this site back so many times I figured it must be his own. Check the records if you don't believe me. Btw, it would have been only fair to make me aware of these allegations, Circeus, before you put all the blame on me. Also, if Fair Deal isn't the anonymous user as shown by the coincidental fact that all these rvt's come from the same area of Canada as shown by http://www.geobytes.com/IpLocator.htm? it seems quite strange to me that they make each the exact same rvt's! (The IP's are 198.164.201.120 and 142.166.233.29 + 142.166.239.196 and I'd probably find more if I looked further.) I guess you can't call it SockPuppetry though since the user in that area doesn't bother to sign in when they edit out whatever they like. Oh and one last thing, if this anonymous user is not Fair Deal I find it quite odd that he would suddenly show up today to complain to you about past edits. What's up with that???NCC17 23:33, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Question
For longer articles, should the lead be referenced if the material is located in more detail later in the article (and is referenced there)? – Samir  धर्म 03:58, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Many thanks for the link. Will ref when (if?) consensus evolves – Samir   धर्म 05:53, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

About your reversion of User talk:Niloivenutfotuo
I had to revert your reversion on Niloivenutfotuo's talk page, because it reverted evidence that turned out to be good. The accounts named in the confession you reverted also confessed to being sockpuppets of Outoftuneviolin on their own talk pages. Jesse Viviano 00:46, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Korean templates
Hello, if you don't mind, would you be keen enough to standardise all the appropriate ones listed at Category:Korean navigational boxes? – KittySaturn 05:59, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Wyse Jackson
I think its safe to assume that they're the same person - circumstantial stuff like the list of people from Kilkenny on WP list his DOB as 1955 - which is consistent with the IPNI, plus there are no other Peter Wyse Jacksons on the IPNI.--Peta 01:05, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Can I ask a favour, since you seem to be intereseted in botanists, could you read though G. Ledyard Stebbins - an article I have on FAC at the moment - and tell me if there is anything I could do to make his contribution to science more clear. Thanks. --Peta 00:43, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the once over. I haven't been able to find anything about Prather either. A main template could go to an article on the jesup lectures or the Columbia biology series, but since we have neither article and I don't feel like writing one now - it can stay as is.--Peta 05:26, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I can't think of another name for it, and it is a pretty logical break between berkley and davis.--Peta 05:53, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Non-Canon evolutions being added Ancient Mega Digimon
There is some IP adding Non-Canon and unsourced evolutions to Ancient Mega Digimon, specifically, AncientGreymon. Though IP address has changed regularly, it is obvious that it is the same user. IP has been warned about his actions by Ned Scott, though it appears as he has chosen to ignore the warnings and continue to add the nonsense. Help and assistance in this matter (preferably soon) would be greatly appreciated. --3bulletproof16 02:24, 3 August 2006 (UTC)


 * It appears that Blossomon, AncientTroiamon, HippoGryphomon, AncientVolcamon, AncientMermaimon, AncientSphinxmon, and AncientGreymon are the only articles that seem to have attracted his attention. I doubt that blocking the single IP would do any good since it constantly changes but a Semi-Protection to these articles would be a pretty good action to take right about now. Thanks for the help Circeus. --3bulletproof16 02:39, 3 August 2006 (UTC)


 * The user is still active...--3bulletproof16 17:43, 3 August 2006 (UTC)


 * The user is sill active in the following articles: AncientTroiamon, AncientVolcamon, AncientMermaimon, AncientSphinxmon, AncientGreymon, AncientBeetlemon‎, AncientMegatheriumon‎, AncientKazemon, AncientGarurumon, AncientWisemon, Blossomon, HippoGryphomon, Aldamon,‎ JetSilphymon‎, RhinoKabuterimon, RedVeedramon, Daipenmon,‎ and Beowulfmon. Help and assistance in this matter (preferably soon) would be greatly appreciated. --3bulletproof16 18:03, 3 August 2006 (UTC)


 * User still active as... . --3bulletproof16 19:34, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Template help
I just made my first attempts at writing templates today (ok, copying nice lines out of other templates and stringing them together.) I would appreciate if you could take a look at them:
 * Template:Agricultural production box - I am fairly certain that this could be written shorter somehow but it seems to work.
 * Template:City locator - This works for the Chad map so far. Is it possible to add a parameter for the base_width so that it could be used with a wider variety of maps? Otherwise I may rename this one and make new copies with just that value changed for other countries' maps. I thought this might have already been created somewhere but couldn't find it. Is there a way to superimpose the name on the map like the dot is? Without having to have an image of each name on a matching background (which is no better than making individual maps) Rmhermen 21:09, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for any help you can give. Rmhermen 20:54, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the pointer. I rewrote City Locator to superimpose two images and a text (by smashing together Template:Superimpose and Template:Superimpose-text). It lets me put the name and location on a map. It seems to work (Ade, Chad) but I don't want to start using it more widely if I am doing something I shouldn't. I noticed that Template:Superimpose-text doesn't seem to be used much and wasn't sure if there was a reason. Rmhermen 04:07, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Plants
I am aiming to get some of our work as featured articles. Feel free to help me! --TheM62Manchester 11:13, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Hawkmon &rarr; Garudamon
True, but as I see it, the Infobox should show all offical EVOs shown on the anime. Because Aquilamon digivolved to Garudamon, the fact should be by all rights be added to Hawkmon and his lower Evolutions. Fractyl

Seeing your point, I editted said pages so the infoboxes can serve as the "Offical Evo". Fractyl

Gotsumon
On the Digimon Pendulum, Gotsumon's previous forms were the same as Tentomon's. You can't actually mess with that until the anime says otherwise.

While Gotsumon had Monochromon as a champion in 02, he had Meteormon as a ultimate form in Frontier. That fact places him in the same bin as the topic it's branching off from.

the "Infobox Digimon" serves to hold the "offical digivolution" seen on the anime and V-Pets for certain stages, continities shouldn't bar it.

The "Digivolution" bracket serves no to just remind that, but have a opinoned listing of the potential digivolved forms of the next stage shown on the V-pets and card games. Same with Special Digimon: Armor for Rookies, "DNA" for higher levels. Fractyl

burrs and such - thanks
Thanks for reorganising all of that. SB_Johnny | talk 19:21, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

thx!
Thanks for cleaning up the references on my 2a page. I'd asked someone to help me do this only a few days ago, so it was well timed. Tony 14:02, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, thanks again, Jean-Sébastien, even though I don't entirely understand this stuff over which you clearly have technical mastery!

Impressive list of languages you have. I suppose that in Quebec you can't escape the notion of foreign languages, unlike us lazy anglophones. Tony 01:38, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Kaz
Thanks. I posted on MPF's page because my intention was more to support MPF than to oppose Kaz. Have now cross-posted. Snottygobble 01:55, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

WikiFairy needed
You seem to be into improving the look and feel of Wikipedia. Great. We're redesigning the sidebar displayed on every page of Wikipedia. We need your input and aesthetic expertise at Wikipedia talk:Village pump (proposals)/Sidebar redesign. --Nexus Seven 12:13, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Returning of Leyasu
Hi, just thought you'd like to know, because you are faimilar with the case as an admin in the past, it seems permanently banned Leyasu has returned under a new sockpuppet account editing the Gothic metal articles (under, its currently up at WP:AE here with diffs et all, seeking admin attention from somebody familiar with it. Many thanks. - Deathrocker 23:53, 13 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Hello there. I would like to bring to your attention that Deathrocker has made vandalistic edits of blanking to the gothic metal article. After defacing my userpage and accusing me of being in allegiance with a user called Leyasu, he has swarmed several admin pages requesting me being banned.


 * I have spoken to another admin about this, and am awaiting reply as i have done nothing that violates policy, following the guidelines a kind administrator posted on my talk page, and providing references for all of my edits.


 * I do not understand the nature of this users attacks on me, but it started when i reverted an edit they made to the article which blanked large sections of the page, leaving the page almost barren. I do believe this harrasment, and then this persecution, is vandalism and is against the vandalism policy.


 * I have made further comment on another admins page if you would care to look. I am sure you will be able to access it through my contributions page. Thank you for your assistance in this manner, and i do hope you will look into this case thoroughly, as i do not see where i have violated any policy. -'' Unsigned comment by

Nice one, almost amusing, unfortunely we've seen it all before, all too often. I have proven conclusively with diffs that you are a permanently blocked user here. I have not "swarmed" admins talk pages, though if I wanted to I could, as you are violating Wikipedia blocking policy by trying to get around your ban. This is the first admin I have directly asked to take alot at it as he is familiar with your past sock actions. Another admin has however messaged me acknowledging that he thinks I am right and suggested I report you on WP:AE in the first place. - Deathrocker 00:15, 14 August 2006 (UTC)


 * First your sir/madam, i request you do not adress me with slanderous names. I have no concern for your argument with this user, and i do not wish to be part of it. You are doing, as it appears to me, claiming any user that reverts or changes something you have placed on an article, of being this Leyasu user.


 * I find this both unwelcoming and unfair. You have attacked me for posting an edit under the guidelines of Wikipedia, providing references and good form. I have violated no policys, least of all a blocking policy. How can i be blocked, when i have not before signed to Wikipedia?


 * I do not feel comfortable working with you, and has you have deleted the polite request i made to you not to deface my user page, blank sections of articles other users write, or attack me, i shall ask here.


 * Please discontinue your harrasment of me. Your argument with the user Leyasu, is between you and him/her, and whomever else it may concern, me withstanding. I have done nothing to violate policy, and i do not appreciate taking time to help improve pages or restore lost information, because you wish to draw me into your affairs with another user. Please leave me in peace, or i shall have to ask the administrators to do something about your impolite manners. VandalismCorrecter.

I'm not willing to get dragged into an argument with you on another users talkpage, Leyasu. Pretty obvious your claims are unfounded as you are unable to present any diffs, I have however proved what I am saying substatially, to which other prominent users such as and have  have also clocked the sockpuppetry violation by you. - Deathrocker 00:33, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Request for CheckUser involving Leyasu and VandalismCorrecter
I have filed a request for checkuser involving Leyasu and VandalismCorrecter, which is now listed on WP:RFCU and Requests for checkuser/Case/Leyasu. Based on the unblock requests from VandalismCorrecter, I am thinking that these two are different users now. However, I've requested the checkuser to be more sure of that, given the closeness of the IPs from which the users have been editing. In any case, if you see the results of the request for checkuser before I do, please unblock VandalismCorrecter unless the request comes back either Confirmed or Highly Likely. --Idont Havaname (Talk) 04:32, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

The vandalism of Savage Islands
I change the article of Savage Islands with information about the dispute of Spain about the island. Not about if the Spain has right or not only I probe with a link to the diary os sesion of the spanish senate that Spain doesn´t recognize the soberany of Portugal. The wikipedist [] revert my article and in the discusion discualified the people of Spain with racism: " again, that doesnt say much: "La esfera alrededor de las islas Canarias" that's about the waters, not the islands - the islands are no sphere! Portugal has no problems with no country! it just has Olivenza because our neighbours are like gypsies, not because of gypsie culture of Southern Spain, but because it invades other people's property: Spain = Turkey part II 1/2 (as in Cyprus) - and still Portugal does nothing. See, it even respects those who doesnt deserve it, in my opinion, that's because we have chilcken and monkeys insted of politicians, but that's another issue. "

I think that is imposible to work in this article of Wikipedia with a this vandalism and I know that is not the first problem of this wikipedist. You gived to him a warning a few months before. Please, help me. Noviscum 21:24, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Country templates
Hi,

I've just seen the edit you made to Template:Hungarian counties about a month ago :) I'd like to ask if there's a way to include the flag in both ends of the template header, like it used to be, since it looks very asymmetrical now (some other editors and me agreed about it in a lengthy discussion on its talk page in October). Also, there is a big empty space in the left side of the template, it would look somewhat better if the text started closer to the border (it would also make the first paragraph only 2 rows long instead of three, and everything is good that makes a large template smaller…) I tried to do these modifications myself but I'm not much of a template expert, it would be good if you could do it. Thanks! – Alensha    talk  23:58, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Leyasu on List of banned users?
Hi, I just noticed Leyasu is on that list now. Is this just going by the indefinite block that I and some others endorsed several weeks ago? Or was there a later, formal motion to ban Leyasu that I missed?

Leyasu's userpage should probably be blanked except for the notices if he is in fact banned, per what other banned users' userpages say. (Compare User:-Ril-, User:CheeseDreams, etc.) I've noticed a bunch of users editing Leyasu's user page to change the code for his userboxes lately, which doesn't make sense since he's been blocked. --Idont Havaname (Talk) 05:29, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Happy Birthday!
Have a good one :) - Ladybirdintheuk 05:44, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Have a good day Adamcobb 16:20, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Copyedit
Hi. The article on HIV is currently on FAC review. One of the issues that has arisen is the need for a copyedit. User:Tony1 suggested that you might be willing to have look over it as it does need a pair of fresh eyes. It's a really important article that we want to ride on WP's reach into the developed and developing worlds, and a linguistic edit is required, so don't be put off by the medical content. Your fresh eyes would be of great value at this mature stage of the FAC process. Thanks. --Bob 19:33, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Requests for arbitration/Zer0faults
This case is now closed and the results have been published at the link above. Zer0faults is placed on Probation. He may be banned for an appropriate period of time from an article or set of articles which he disrupts by tendentious editing or edit warring. All bans to be logged at Requests for arbitration/Zer0faults. For the Arbitration Committee. FloNight 02:01, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

templates
Hello. I found your name at Category:User template coder-4. My question: Can i make a template code add and substract? What i mean is to make a Template:Yearbox that changes its values automaticly depending on the page name of the article it is on. Possible? --Striver 19:43, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Need admin help
Sorry to bother you, but you have helped out with User:Leyasu in the past and I thought you might intervene once again. The blocked user is still editing as. "Fred's" edit history/edit summaries are identical to Leyasu's and has been labeled for quite some time(but never reported until now) I filed a complaint over at WP:ANI but...sometimes things over there get a bit backlogged....that's why I'm coming directly to you. Fred138 claims there is no sockpuppetry going on but, conveniently enough, just as soon as I reported him(her) over at ANI, Leyasu(in the form of ) came posting to the user's defence. I can't revert List of gothic metal bands anymore without going 3RR. If you could find the time to lend an admin's hand on this it'd be greatly appreciated. Thanks Fair Deal 10:27, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

History of Solidarity
That article, which you contributed to, has been substantially improved and is now undergoing FAC review. Your comments, as that of a person familiar with the article, would certainly be appreciated.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 02:50, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Split infinitive FAR/C
Hi there

I wonder whether you're in a position to help to bring this one back to FA standards. Tony 11:59, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Please fix Template:Peoplepalicanon changes
Hi Circeus - I see you made some changes to Template:Peoplepalicanon. Can you please re-instate the gray horizontal bars separating the groups (monastics, other, laity) since I think the gray bars definitely enhanced the templates' readabilty. Scanning the code, it looks like you intended to show the gray bars, but I can't see them and don't know how to fix wikimarkup (though I know HTML and SGML better than most ;-) ). Thanks, LarryR 03:38, 27 October 2006 (UTC) P.S. The text now appears off center – listing right – as well now.  If you can please fix whatever causes that as well, it would be a good thing.  Thanks.


 * Hey Circeus - No need to address; I decided just to insert the gray horizontal bars the best way I knew how to. Thanks for the observation on greatly simplifying the border-related GML – good work.  Cheers, LarryR 04:40, 27 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi Circeus,
 * Can you look at the template now and tell me that you see the gray horizontal lines? I don't.  Do you see how the text is no longer centered?  I do.  This affects several articles instantaneously.
 * I can very much appreciate your wanting to convert to wikimarkup, for several good reasons, but if the end result is a less readable template, then the template needs to be kept in HTML – until we can perfect the wikimarkup.
 * I'm not sure what led you to this template – which I created as a table in Householder (Buddhism) and was moved to a template by User:Sacca. But this template is important to me and others who have contributed significantly to WP Buddhism articles.  I sense your goal is to be helpful and useful and I sense that you have a great deal of expertise.  I greatly respect this.  Similarly, I hope you can appreciate how others, such as myself, see your changes as having a negative impact on articles in which we are heavily invested.
 * Therefore, I'd very much appreciate it if you could revert your changes (or at least allow me to) until the wikimarkup can be implemented without unwanted side effects.
 * I very much appreciate your continued efforts and hope we can reach our common goal of a better Wikipedia. Sincerely,
 * LarryR(Talk) 13:59, 27 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Excellente! Parfait! Merci beaucoup!  I was gonna ask about the browser issue but frankly my last note was left during my standard 15-minute morning break at work.  (Now I'm at lunch.)  FWIW, I've checked the template out on three different computers (my laptop, my wife's desktop, and then another desktop) all using different levels of Internet Explorer 6.
 * Frankly, the text still looks a wee lopsided, especially on the line "Upasaka ... Lay devotee...," but I can definitely live with it. Also, there used to be a gray line above "Laity" – I'll try to replicate what you did with "Monastics" and "Other" to make it match.
 * Thanks for your patient correspondence and good works. Thanks too for the mini-tutorial.  (I might learn wikimarkup just yet.)  Je vous desire les bonnes choses.  (And please forgive my remedial French.) - LarryR 17:07, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

VFP
Thanks for sprucing up Valley Forge Pilgrimage. --evrik 14:55, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Votes
Hello! I noticed that you are a member of WikiProject Plants. Therefore you may be interested in supporting the nomination of Cactus to the Article Improvement Drive. There are woefully few plant articles among the featured articles. Furthermore, Cactus definitely deserves a better article. this is our chance! If you agree, you can suppost the nomination at the AID page. --Chino 05:16, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Alex Machacek
Hi Circeus, thanks for pointing out those things. I wasn't aware of those rules. I will try to find the correct link for experimental. And about the Conservatory of Vienna, I don't know much but here's a link I found of the Conservatory at AboutVienna.com. And the University of Music and Performing Arts in Vienna looks to be different. Bye. Thanks again. -- N R S | T/M\B 05:29, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the revert
... yesterday to Draconity. I've done what I can to open a dialog, but the anonymous user just continues to delete that link without showing any sign of noticing. Does leaving a message on anonymous users' Talk pages work the same way as with registered users, and is there any way to confirm whether they've read a message or not? Baxil 22:45, 28 October 2006 (UTC)