User talk:Circeus/may2006

Template:Infobox Conditionals
Hi, you've closed the Tfd for Infobox Conditionals, therefore you might be interested that I posted it on deletion review. They'll probably tell me where to stuff it, because it was only redirected and not deleted, but nevertheless the complete Tfd turned out to be bogus caused by simultaneous modifications of Infobox (now protected). I'm not very interested in the template itself, but care about WP:HIDE, where that template in a version actually using conditionals is referenced. --&#160;Omniplex 20:57, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

User:203.97.2.58
Look like we were both working on blocking this user. I was placing a 7 hour block when you were going for a 48, I've adjusted it to a 31, if you feel 48 is still needed, feel free to update and I will not touch again. Thanks, — xaosflux  Talk  01:51, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

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 * Thanks for the speedy reply, I missed a few of those during my first quick review, I've restored the 48hr block, and will keep an eye out as well. Thanks, — xaosflux  Talk  01:59, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

User:Independent Chechnya
Sorry but what is the criteria for a Template deletion? A majority of 22:10? With people expressing openely that such a template is insulting and disregarding of wikipedia... The only reason why I do not want to start the suggested procees of deletion of the whole regional politics userboxes is because I do not use such offensive templates, however think of the quality of wikipedia as a refrence source when sooner or later this will appear:

Do you want that to happen? I don't. Think of the quality of the encyclopedia as a reference source when people see templates like those displayed on the userpages. I seriously urge you to reconsider on that decision, I do not want to take this case to the arbitration committee. --Kuban Cossack 19:33, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * IF you can give a good NPOV reason why this (User independent Chechnya) is "offensive" while none of*User independent British overseas territories


 * User independent Cascadia
 * User independent Nevis
 * User independent Quebec
 * User independent Quebec 2
 * User Puerto Rico independista
 * User sovereignity Hawai'i
 * User independent Southern Sudan
 * User independent Western Sahara
 * User independent Taiwan
 * User independent Tibet
 * User independent Kurdistan
 * User independent Assyria
 * User Palestine
 * User independent Eelam
 * User independent Aragon
 * User independent Basque Country
 * User independent Bavaria
 * User independent Catalonia
 * User independent Faroe Islands
 * User independent Greenland
 * User independent Republika Srpska
 * User independent Chechnya
 * User independent England2
 * User independent Scotland
 * User independent Wales
 * User independent French Polynesia
 * User independent Bougainville
 * User independent New Caledonia
 * User independent West Papua
 * User independent Iraq

are, then maybe I'll consider the TFD nomination was in good fate and didn't warrant the speedy keep closure I was sorely tempted to give it as a WP:POINT and WP:NPOV violation. Circeus 00:24, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Territories that you mention might be offensive to some, particulary the British the Israelis the Spaniards. Think what happens when an Israeli person comes to wikipedia and sees these templates on pages of users that write those articles. Do you think he will see wikipedia as a neutral balanced source. Especially if he happens to be an editor of some magazine. Like hell he is going to let that go unnoticed, that wikipedia is being radicalised. However as I am not that kind of person that will support these templates to insult other users I would, had I had time, also included them. However I came here to write artciled not to engage in political correctness of wiki, that I think is the job of the admin, which they seem to ignore.
 * Now with Chechnya we are not dealing with a quite community we are dealing with people who ignore this . If a template user supports Bin-Laden arrises what will the people of London, Bali, New York, Istanbul, Madrid and Saudi Arabia (particulary those that lost relatives in the numerous bombings) think about this encyclopedia? The template's sole existance is a violation of WP:NPOV. It is personally offensive and is extreamely hate provoking for Russians.
 * No need to paste answers on my talk page, I watch all the pages I write on.--Kuban Cossack [[Image:Flag of the Russian Empire (black-yellow-white).svg|25px|]] 11:12, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you
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...for tagging that photo of mine. It was a duplicate, as you correctly noted. Sorry for the trouble. Jeffmatt 06:59, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
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Thanks for fixing the refs on Halloween II (film). It's currently a FAC if you want to comment on it over there: Featured article candidates/Halloween II (film).

I'll fix the refs on Halloween III tonight. Dmoon1 23:28, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Confused
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Hi, Im not sure I understood the message you left me. Are you saying that one of the references I used is cited twice? If that is what you mean, then it is probably because I was referencing two seperate pieces of information in the article. However, if this is poor Wikipedia practice, then please do make the changes yourself or let me know how to. Thanks --Jackyd101 21:30, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
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 * Sorry, still a little unsure. The two pages are different entries from a database, one dealing with the explosion on the pier and one dealing with the attack on the ship itself. They both have different information about different parts of the incident, so why can't both be presented? Also where do they contradict each other? I couldn't see it--Jackyd101 22:21, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * oups
 * No problem, thanks for your interest (and for that link above, it halped clarify references for me).--Jackyd101 22:42, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for GTL corrections
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I appreciate you correcting a few of the mistakes I made on the WP:GTL overhaul today! Thanks, and God bless... --J. J. 04:05, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

{-} vs {clear}
I noticed you changed a {-} to a {clear}, and wondering if you know something I don't. Do they work differently? Stevage 07:17, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
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 * See Template talk:-. I could probably explain why in this particular case, but I'm not sure which article you're referring to. Basically, clear is used for a new "block" element and - is to insert a new line on "inline" elements; think paragraph vs. sentences. Clear is more natural while - is more of an interruption. --J. J. 13:33, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Categorizing navigational boxes
So after what I said before, I decided to start sorting some of the music navigational templates. Categories I recently created include Cat:Music navigational boxes, Cat:Music genre navigational boxes, Cat:Music by region navigational boxes, and Cat:Music genre by region navigational boxes. Hopefully, this covers all the templates that have been created thus far. (The templates in question that I know of are linked to from WikiProject Music genres/Footer and WikiProject World music/Musicboxes, by the way.) I'm looking for feedback as to whether this works well with the current system.

Actually, something else is already needed &mdash; categories for navigational templates by continent, since so many of these are named that way. However, given that navigational templates are also sorted by country, and that there are musical navigational templates by eras and cultures as well, this is a little beyond me at the moment. Any thoughts as to what might be a good hierarchy to use here? –Unint 22:11, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

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 * Thanks for making Cat:Navigational templates by region. I have seen the "Musicboxes" page; do you mean that we should call it that in the category names? Because there were no categories before.


 * I'm starting to think about how to sort the subcategories of Navigational templates by region, though. I've decided to stop with the subcategories after creating ones for Asia and Europe in addition to the Africa one; now I'm trying to figure out two things.


 * Should "country" categories get sorted into their corresponding "continent" categories? Would this even be useful?
 * How would you recommend the "Regional or language based footers" be sorted? I'm starting to think about just sorting them all into the broad category for now, but if a need for subcategorization arises I'm contemplating how to deal with regions defined by language and continent within the same category. –Unint 15:33, 11 May 2006 (UTC)


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 * This really isn't working out so well. I just created North American and South American navigational boxes categories, for the sake of completeness and to sort the rest of the Musicboxes by region. Only, of course, some of them don't fit neatly into continental divides. Still, I think the categories themselves should be able to be populated further...


 * There are still many country-based Musicboxes left unsorted. However, It seems like it would be a mess to sort some templates by country (and continent?) while others can't be sorted that way because their countries don't have their own template categories. I have no idea what to do about this.


 * Do you think some kind of formalized category scheme would be useful right about now? –Unint 15:27, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Music of Kenya
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Yeah, that does look like a copyvio, but I can't find anything with google or anything else. I guess it wouldn't hurt to leave the anon a note. Tuf-Kat 01:23, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Salsa
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Well, salsa music's the kind of thing that pretty much everybody defines differently. Every source I used in the writing of that article said something significantly different from the others. So, he probably has a point of view that is under-represented and should be incorporated. I've left him a note on his talk page. Tuf-Kat 05:01, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Baxter template red links
Please see Template_talk:Baxter, I have started a disscussion about uncommenting the red links. Although I see your logic it may confuse some readers. Lcarsdata Talk 10:01, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Template:CanadaFlags
Hi there. Why did you eliminate Dynamic navigation box from this template? Your edit summary states that there is no need for dynamic navigation box here, but why is that? Also, if such is the case, then the current layout is suboptimal in comparison with the earlier one that predates the introduction of the Dynamic navigation box. Take a look here: You can reply here; I am watching your talk page. -- Mareklug talk  17:43, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I do not believe the template as it was presented was taking enough vertical space to warrant a Dynamic box setting (and although the original can be argued to have, it could have been directly reworked). While the Dynamic box is nifty, the generic templates is not formatted properly to look like a normal footer, and despite my effort, I can't see to be able to get the WIDTH parameter to work. It has been similarly overapplied in several cases, IMHO (Olympic Winter Games Host Cities for example). Circeus 18:23, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Category:Aspergian Wikipedians
Category:Aspergian Wikipedians which you have included on your user page has been proposed for deletion you can comment at Categories for deletion. The is also a proposal to create an association to meet the needs of users with mental health conditions. --Salix alba (talk) 18:30, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

châlchiuhtlatônac
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Do you have an english source I can use? ---J.S (t|c) 07:01, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the help on this! I don't speak any languages but English and a teensy bit of French, so I'd never have found those. BTW I noticed you reverted the addition of "music genre stub" templates to Music ofs. I've always thought a Music of should not be considered a "music genre" in any way, but never did anything about it. So, kudos on that too. Tuf-Kat 00:11, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
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Infoboxes.
Hey. I noticed that you've left infoboxneeded on the talk pages of several articles I wrote (c.f. Talk:Battlefield Baseball). I, personally, don't use them and don't feel the need to use them most of the time. So, if I can politely request that you not to do that, and add the infoboxes yourself if you feel that they're needed? Thanks.--Sean Black 02:14, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
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 * Okay, understood. However, an infobox is not really required as such&mdash;I don't believe (obviously) that an article needs one to be "presentable" and relatively "complete" as such. I'm sure others agree with me, but whatever you feel is best. Thank you.--Sean Black 04:07, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
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 * We all have obsessions :). So keep doing what you're doing, and if you ever get a chance feel free to add those infoboxes yourself :). Thanks!--Sean Black 04:27, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

DYK nom
I'm probably just not seeing it because I'm too close to it - what is misleading about it? Bridesmill 16:48, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
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 * Gotcha - wasn't familiar with that subtlety of style (working on it

); thanks for clarifying, I think I've fixed it appropriately. Bridesmill 16:59, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

List of Mega Man weapons
Hi. I noticed your fix on the article just recently, and since you've seen it, I was curious if I could inquire for an opinion. Should I execute a move to Mega Man weapons...? Its clearly more elaborate than a mere list, and its failed the Featured List requirements twice (I'd suggest seeing the talkpage links to its previous nominations). Please see me on the article's talkpage if you're interested. -ZeroTalk 14:19, 19 May 2006 (UTC)


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Request for transcription
original request

Would somebody knowledgeable be so kind as to look up the hanzi in Basil and add transliterations and, where appropriate, literal translations? Circeus 18:06, 18 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Done. -- G.S.K.Lee 15:01, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

User page use and definition of "personal attack"

 * Moved this from WP:ANI as it doesn't seem to require admininstrator intervention. --Tony Sidaway 01:17, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

User:Grace Note and User:Sean Black appear to have a disagreement over the definition of "personal attack". The latter protected the userpage of the former to keep him from wikilinking Dave Gerard to Dracula. This seems to have to do with the treatment of school articles. Circeus 00:12, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Gracenote wrote:  I can't see how it's particularly constructive to spend hours, days and weeks burning witches -- why not just empower Dave Gerard et al to kick out whoever they disapprove of, which with the broad interpretation of blocking policy some use is already becoming the case  - it sounds like a personal attack to me, despite GN's claims that it's only "harmless fun" Raul654 00:26, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Grace Note has now said I need to "grow up", that I like to "bully" others, that I have to learn that Wikipedia is "not a schoolyard", and that I need to "learn to behave properly around adults." Lovely. To be frank, it's not "harmless fun" by any stretch of the imagination. I don't mind if the page is unprotected, so long as the insult is not restored.--Sean Black 00:29, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I find Grace Note's remark on his userpage about David Gerard pretty insulting altogether; it's not just the pipelink. IMO Grace Note is showing a poor grasp of the NPA policy when he insists that his badtempered remark is "harmless fun". Note that Sean Black isn't proposing blocking GN or anything like that: Sean removed the attack on DG from GN's userpage several times, and only protected when Grace Note kept putting it back. Sean Black's actions here seem to me moderate and reasonable. Grace Note's ageist comments about Sean here are rude and unwarranted. Bishonen | talk 00:31, 19 May 2006 (UTC).
 * I've deleted the link to Dracula and restored GN's blanking of his talk page, which seems to be his preference, but which Cuivienen kept undoing, so hopefully there won't be any further escalation. Cups of tea all round, I think. SlimVirgin (talk) 02:43, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Sean has a personal problem with me and is picking a fight. Dave Gerard has a sense of humour and doubtless he's well aware of how he's portrayed on a certain website that may not mention its name. He's a goff type and he probably would consider it a huge compliment to be compared with big Vlad ;-) If he feels I've personally attacked him, he's welcome to write me on my talkpage or at my email address and I'll remove it without further comment. What I will not do is be bullied by people who will jump on the smallest nonissue to attack their enemies, even if their mates pile on. Why Sean is even reading my userpage, given our relationship, is beside me: it would be assuming bad faith to say that he does it in the hope of finding something he doesn't like, but I do advise him to change his reading habits if his constitution cannot take a bit of harmless teasing of someone else. Lord knows how he'll be if I ever compare him with a fictional character. What his friends ought to be doing is admonishing him not to cause conflicts with other users over things that are a/ none of his business and b/ trivial, and in particular, admonishing him not to misuse his admin powers in connection with those conflicts. -- GN.
 * Nonsense. I don't have a "personal problem" with you; I have a problem with those who edit Wikipedia solely to cause trouble and disrupt it's functions; in other words internet trolls. I would have done the samething on any other userpage. For what it's worth, I stumbled upon your userpage as I was reading through User talk:Incorrect. Also, I could care less what you think of me, I don't value your opinions in any way.


 * Really, though, I have a question. Have you ever considered not being a dick? You seem to relish it, ranting about admin abuse and insulting me rather than taking the reasonable, common sense position and just accepting it? But no, of course not. Instead you deliberately inflamed it, turned it into a full fledged "dispute". All I want from you is for you to stop deliberately disrupting Wikipedia. If you do that, then the problem is settled and we never have to interact again, which would be a perfectly pleasing development for me.--Sean Black 06:46, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

I fully support Sean's actions here, but would like to add that if Grace Note wants to blank his talk page, it's only hassling him to keep reverting him. Unless there's a good reasons for posts to remain in place (administrators' posts during a block, for example), it just adds unnecessarily to the ill feeling to revert someone who removes unwelcome comments from his talk page. The posts remain in the history anyway, so in the event of needing evidence for an RfC or an RfA, the diffs are still available. And if the user has deleted the comments, we know he has seen them. AnnH ♫ 09:54, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Seen this? CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 13:06, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Noted. Really, though, Grace Note could prevent all these problems by not being a troll. If he wasn't a troll, then none of this would have happened.--Sean Black
 * Whereas I fail to see why you, of all people, should be the one to be stroming this particular cup of tea. Everyone stand down. El_C 01:14, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm sure David Gerard wouldn't mind that his name is being linked to Dracula. &rArr; Jarlaxle Artemis   05:05, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

On a somewhat related note, I don't think people like being called trolls. Some prefer the term "intentionally disruptive user" or the phrase "green-skinned bridge-dweller". Plus, someone will scream WP:NPA and possibly WP:BITE. -- Avillia (Avillia me!) 05:11, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Nevėžis River
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Hope it's ok now. Let me know if you see something else to improve. Renata 03:38, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Requested Move for United States
I'm sorry, but you failed to sign your opinion at Requested moves/United States. Regards, User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 03:34, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Schatzki ring
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Hi Circeus, thanks a lot for your comments. I tend to use too much jargon when writing medical articles quickly! I'll make the needed corrections...

I've also taken the liberty of WP:RPA removing the personal attack by the anon on the talk page.

Cheers -- Samir धर्म 01:52, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

re: re: Tentomon
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The reason I changed the Tentomon page was that there are a lot of digimons that didn't digivolve in the anime that have their evolved forms included in their pages. If you look in Kabuterimon's page, for example, you will see that HerculesKabuterimon is listed as its Mega form. The same happens with a lot of other digimon. So, if you want to correct Tentomon's page, you should also correct Kabuterimon's, Togemon's, Bakumon's, Wizardmon's, Hagurumon's, Kokwamon's, just to name a few. You should also remember that page isn't just for "anime Tentomon". It's for the Tentomon species in general. Tentomon in fact digivolves to HerculesKabuterimon in other medias, like the Digimon Pendulum. -- Idiota Invisível, 23 May 2006

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Frogs
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Hi Circeus. Haven't time to do a proper job on the References just now - have made the 4 Leiopelma articles stubs in the meantime. GrahamBould 14:12, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Replaced shortcuts with essay templates
I went through and replaced the shortcut templates you converted from popular essay into essay templates. It did not seem the point of the TfD to delete them from the essay category, more to de-emphasise their importance by putting them on the same level. Cheers, Ans  e  ll  Review my progress! 22:45, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
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Infobox city vote
It wasn't clear if you supported or opposed the infobox proposal at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Cities. &mdash;MJCdetroit 17:19, 30 May 2006 (UTC)