User talk:Ciscokat

July 2022
Hello, I'm PhantomTech. I noticed that in this edit to A Reaper at the Gates, you removed content without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry, the removed content has been restored. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. 05:42, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

Your edit to A Reaper at the Gates has been removed in whole or in part, as it appears to have added copyrighted material to Wikipedia without evidence of permission from the copyright holder. If you are the copyright holder, please read Donating copyrighted materials for more information on uploading your material to Wikipedia. For legal reasons, Wikipedia cannot accept copyrighted material, including text or images from print publications or from other websites, without an appropriate and verifiable license. All such contributions will be deleted. You may use external websites or publications as a source of information, but not as a source of content, such as sentences or images&mdash;you must write using your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously, and persistent violators of our copyright policy will be blocked from editing. See Copying text from other sources for more information. 06:38, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello Ciscokat! While we appreciate your contributions to Wikipedia, there are certain things you must keep in mind about using information from sources to avoid copyright and plagiarism issues.


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It's very important that contributors understand and follow these practices, as policy requires that people who persistently do not must be blocked from editing. If you have any questions about this, you are welcome to leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. 07:04, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

Plot length
Why do you want the plot so short though? It is a plot description rather than a very short summary. -- NotC hariza rd 🗨 05:43, 25 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Why would you want the plot summary so long? I understand what you are saying, but it shouldn't tell the whole entire story, just give people a basic understanding of the plot. On top of that, if you look at the top of the page, there is a banner coming up (at least for me) that specifically says that other people are reporting that it's too long and unnecessary, hence why I made the adjustments. I am hoping that these adjustments will make it easier to read and give people a better understanding of the basic summary of the book. While I agree that the previous summary included more information, it was rather overwhelming and at that point, you might as well read the actual book. Ciscokat (talk) 06:12, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Dude did you change it back? The banner at the top very clearly says:
 * "This article has multiple issues. Please help improve it or discuss these issues on the talk page. (Learn how and when to remove these template messages)
 * - This article needs additional citations for verification. (September 2018)
 * - This article's plot summary may be too long or excessively detailed. (March 2019)"
 * Empthasis on "This article's plot summary may be too long or excessively detailed. (March 2019)". I'm going to change it back, please follow Wikipedia guidelines, there is no reason for that information to be that long, I am just trying to clean it up. If you would like a compromise between mine length and the old one, I am happy to work on that, but there is no reason for it to be that long. I hope you understand. Ciscokat (talk) 06:31, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oops, I am so sorry I jumped the gun because I got frustrated. I now understand what happened, the original is too long but I pulled from penguin and that's a no no. (Sorry, I am brand new to wikipedia and am literally figuring this all out today and learning the formatting alone is a slight nightmare.) I am going to work on rewriting the plot description so it is a happy medium, basically a shorter version of what it is so maybe we can get that banner cleared out, please let me know if there needs to be any more changes in your option. Again, I ask for your forgiveness for my slightly passaggressive message, that was completely unnecessary. Ciscokat (talk) 09:02, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: All My Rage (July 25)
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Umakant Bhalerao (talk) 06:55, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: All My Rage (July 25)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Umakant Bhalerao was:

The comment the reviewer left was:

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.


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Umakant Bhalerao (talk) 07:52, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

Warning: Copyright violations
Please read the warning that PhantomTech gave you above. If you continue to copy-paste copyrighted materials into articles, I will have to block your account from editing. -- Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 07:54, 25 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi there, so sorry about this, I am just a little confused as this is my first time really trying to update wikipedia pages, so thank you for your patience with me! I was under the impression that we could quote material if we used quotation marks and credited the person, which I thought I did. If that is not the case, or if in this case the quote is too long, I understand and will adjust as necessary, I just want to make sure that I understand community guidelines. Since I used quotation marks and a inquote citation as specified by PhantomTech, is it just because the quote is too long? If so, how long is too long of a quote? Thank you for your support and patience. Ciscokat (talk) 08:26, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, Ciscokat. Thanks for your prompt response. The quotes are far too long, and they're also what we would consider an inappropriate use of quotes. It's one thing to quote a few sentences that someone said so that you can, well, quote them. But quoted material should never be used as a substitute for describing something directly in the encyclopedia's voice using one's own words. Wikipedia is supposed to be a free encyclopedia in all senses of that term, so that means only using copyrighted material, including quotes, when our own words wouldn't do. If we just quoted official plot summaries for everything, then we'd be relying on non-free sources to do our job for us. Please see for more explanation of this.The other issue with these quotes in particular is that, since they come from PR material, they're written with a heavily promotional tone. Avoiding such a tone is very important on Wikipedia, and another reason we don't use quotes in situations like this is because we're stuck with whatever tone the quote uses. All content in Wikipedia articles should read like an encyclopedia article, not like an advertisement.On that note, can I ask, do you have any connection to Sabaa Tahir? I gather you live in the same area, at a minimum.  --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 08:38, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Ah, that makes total sense! Thank you so much, I will clear out all of the places where I have made that mistake and re-work it. Thank you for pointing out the PR element, that is something that I hadn't even thought of, I just didn't think to write it myself, I was like oh they probably want quotes. I just didn't read the stuff well enough.
 * And not really, we live in the same general area, but Bay Area is so vauge and big, I'm not sure. I have been a big fan for years and just finished her latest book, the one I tried to make a page for when I saw that it didn't have one. Then I saw that a couple of the other banners saying that the summeries were too long so I tried to match them to Ember which i think might also be pulled from penguin house. I will look into that. I totally get the "own words" element now, thank you for sending me the guideline infromation! Ciscokat (talk) 08:45, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

Some tips for improving your draft
Hi Ciscokat! I took a quick look at Draft:All My Rage. I see that you already recieved some good advice from about how the draft seems to have a PR element. I get that you're a fan of her works, I haven't read the book myself but I've always been a huge reader. Anyways, I wanted to give some tips specifically about the review section. So it kind of reminds me of the stuff you'll see on the covers of books "X is a bestseller", "EIGHT starred reviews", etc. I'd suggest removing the Amazon ratings unless reliable, secondary sources report on them, and focusing on the book's reception from the already cited New York Times and Kirkus Reviews. I also suggest keeping quotes as brief as possible and making sure that you're rewriting content in your own words, this page offers some advice in regards to that. A really good example about what a Wikipedia article about a book can look like can be found at The Hate U Give. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. I'll do my best to get back to you. Clover moss (talk) 12:26, 28 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Oh my goodness, you guys are so kind and supportive! Thank you for sharing The Hate U Give page, it is beatiful lol and very helpful. I completely get what you are saying about the PR element (I now understand what Tamzin was saying as well, I was a little too focused on fixing the plot portion) and when I reread the reviews sections agreed with you, so I took out the whole starred reviewed part and cut down on the quotes. Thank you so muuch for taking the time to review it, if you have a chance, I would love to have you check it again and let me know if what you think? Thank you again for your continued support as I get better at this whole process! Ciscokat (talk) 05:15, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm glad you found our advice helpful. You're getting closer, but I don't think the draft is quite there yet. There's this page that explains the notability of books on Wikipedia. I definitely think the New York Times source qualifies but I'm not sure about whether the Kirkus reviews one is in-depth enough because it's more a basic plot summary with some book review elements, but maybe I'm being too picky  In my mind, a third source that's more like the NYT one would solidify it. Notability is nuanced on Wikipedia, but this aspect is more secure than some of the subject-specific ones. I realize I'm being vague here, I'll try to elaborate if you find what I'm saying confusing.
 * Regardless, you can disagree with me. You can actually move the draft to mainspace yourself since you're an autoconfirmed editor. You can do that by clicking "more" and "move" at the top right of the page. You'd want to get rid of the "Draft" in the box and change it to "Main". But I also totally understand if you want to develop the draft a bit more first. I still use draftspace a lot myself. Clover moss  (talk) 04:31, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

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