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Indian nationalism

 * Apart from the relativity business (which is a dubious assertion that I have removed), all the rest of the material is well known and well-referenced. Just read the stuff provided in the ref section please.Netaji 01:55, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Taxila is definitely the world's oldest university (in the modern sense). This is mentioned by Megasthenes.
 * The 'Arabic Numerals' originated in India, largely due to the work of Aryabhatta. This is quite well-known.
 * Algebra as we know it today came from the Hisab-kitab book by al-Khwarzim. However, the basic methods of solving linear equations were done also by Aryabhatta (there are shlokas in my 10th grade maths textboook that demonstrate solving y=mx+c).Netaji 01:58, 21 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I stand corrected on this. I remember now that Kanada was the first atomist. Thx for pointing that out.Netaji 08:16, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
 * See here for a list of refs for the ancient mathematicians. I have some with me (downloaded using my univ subscription). I'll get any ones that you want from the library if I can. Also, see hereNetaji 02:29, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Read the following book
Romila Thapar's "Ashoka and the decline of the Mauryas" pages 7,12,21-22,27,53,75-76,81-82,101,121.128,130,139,145,192,197,204,237,240,242,244,246-247,268-270,286,315". It's all there abt Taxila being the oldest univ.Netaji 11:28, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Message from RSudarshan
OK the Earth is flat...go on proove it :-) RSudarshan 15:56, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Your reverts at Indian nationalism
Please be aware of the Three revert rule, which states that no one shall revert a page more than three times in 24 hours. Awyong Jeffrey Mordecai Salleh 16:45, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Block
Your comments at User_talk:Subhash_bose are completely out of order - inciting an escaltion of the bad blood "bring it on" and also suggesting that another user is insane "treatement". Seeing as though Woohookitty has decided that the time for nonsense is over, then you have been blocked for two days so that the situation can cool off. Blnguyen | rant-line 02:36, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

CiteCop Gets his Due
Well...CiteCop finally gets his due for spreading hatred in Wikipedia. Well he should be banned for good!!!

Cool off
Well cool off pal and enjoy your block!!! And I will give my love to Pusyamitra Sunga, who ever that is, after I am through giving my love to your wife. [User:RSudarshan]

WP:NPA

 * There was an NPA template here - see below for reason why I removedBakaman Bakatalk 16:58, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
 * He's already been blocked for this - why are you giving a warning? BhaiSaab talk 03:41, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Looks like Blnguyen took strong action. Props to Bl, the yellow monkey!Bakaman Bakatalk 03:55, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Dont know about this habit of posting - multiple warnings. I got this token of the visit from this user previously in a period of about half an hour TerryJ-Ho 11:05, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Bakasuprman
i think he is a sockpuppet of Subash_Bose... I have provided evidence here... evidence --Geek1975 09:15, 23 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Could as well be the case or they are members of the same organisation - The Sangh Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh equivalent of the BNP and Front Nationale TerryJ-Ho


 * Alright, whatever. Its just that those attacking him (you know who) usually come after me, and my defenses are always high on alert. We don't normally edit the same articles so I probably wont bump into you anymore. Happy editingBakaman Bakatalk 02:06, 25 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't see how it was an attack on you.Bakaman Bakatalk 02:58, 25 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't know about White Nationalist (I'll assume WP:AGF and give you benefit of the doubt). You still are accused of "being a Marxist" by Neta. Its the only tag that is sticking for right now . If you look at my user page, you will see that I have earned some "nicknames" as well. Tell me which one you like the best :).Bakaman Bakatalk 20:14, 25 August 2006 (UTC)


 * WP:CIVIL. No one really enforces it. Its an ideal, and is rarely observed especially in pages like AIT, RSS, etc. Pretty much, in the kind of pages you and I edit, its ignored.Bakaman Bakatalk 21:26, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

What was that message? Who are you people
Under what classification are you asking this question - Generally I would say I am (Human/Male/Engineer and Business Postgraduate/London)TerryJ-Ho

Table help
Sure. What do you need help with? JFD 04:23, 25 August 2006 (UTC) TA DA! Is that what you had in mind? JFD 04:38, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Who da man? JFD 04:46, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't use it quite yet. Let me play around with the font sizes first. JFD 05:13, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * OK, it's good. JFD 05:13, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Mauryan Dates
Hello Citecop,

A number of different sources running from D.D. Kosambi to John Keay provide dates in the 320s, most commonly 321, for the ascension of Chandragupta Maurya. For the sake of references, you can use http://concise.britannica.com/ebc/article-9359660/Chandragupta-Maurya. I think the main point that I wanted clarify was that classical european sources (i.e. strabo et al) provide the date 305 BCE for the confrontation between Chandragupta and Seleukos. The Taxila article stated that that their treaty was sealed in 317, when we have recorded that this took place in 303BCE. Accordingly, if we take a look at the other articles pertaining to this on wikipedia (chandragupta maurya, mauryan empire, seleucus, seleucid empire), all attest to the 305-303BCE range of dates. Moreover, it is likely that Chandragupta would have defeated Macedonian generals such as Eudemus or Peithon in order to gain Taxila as they were the prefects of Alexander's crumbling holdings in the Punjab. If there are any other points that you would like to discuss, I would be happy to do so. Hope this helps.

Regards,

Devanampriya

Taxila
Hi CiteCop! You'll find all the citations you'll need on Peithon in the article Peithon, son of Agenor. However, I will try to add a direct reference in the Taxila article itself. Regards. PHG 04:50, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Maurya dates
Hi CiteCop. I am not sure if there is a very clear standard on the date for the Maurya dynasty, and as far as I know, most of them are a little but fuzzy. Regards. PHG 05:11, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Sock accusations
You may want to know that Syiem and Rsudarshan were unblocked because they were in no way or form related to Netaji. I would advise caution in calling people socks (I got some revenge on those who maligned me), otherwise Neta's characterizations of you would be proven and his actions would also be justified.Bakaman Bakatalk 01:26, 29 August 2006 (UTC)


 * They will be thrown around by everyone. Even dab (supposed to be an admin) called me a "chatterbot from BJP headquarters". Other users have different words/phrases they throw around. Its best not to let them affect you.Bakaman Bakatalk 17:31, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Chanakya
I may read it but I prefer Indian authors for historical work. Too much "western scholarship" has come under the framework of a biblical timeline and a eurocentric bias. Bakaman Bakatalk 19:05, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

indian nationalism
you might want to check the indian nationalism page...Kennethtennyson 02:11, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Taxila again

 * regarding your past edits to Indian Nationalism, you have claimed that Nalanda Taxila was not a University in the modern sense so you removed it. Isn;t this a double standard then?

Quote from the article as it stands today

A small number of boys continued their education after childhood, one example is the Spartans (with military education). While they were teenagers, they studied philosophy as a moral guide in life, and rhetoric to help make persuasive speeches in court of a political assembly. In the Classical period, this training was necessary for an ambitious young man. A crucial part of a wealthy teenager's education was a loving mentor relationship with an elder. The teenager learned by watching his mentor talking about politics in the agora, helping him perform his public duties, exercising with him in the gymnasium and attending symposia with him. The richest students continued their education to college, and went to a university in a large city. These universities were organized by famous teachers. Some of Athens' greatest universities included the Lyceum and the Academy. Shiva&#39;s Trident 06:37, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Since you are such a devotee of Romila Thapar, I invite you to read "Ashoka and the Decline of the Mauryas" again

and see what she says about the "Greek Miracle Myth" in Chapter 2.Shiva&#39;s Trident 06:39, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The Greece article still mentions the word UNIVERSITY. If learning centres in Ancient Greece can be called UNIVERSITIES why can;t Nalanda Taxila? Nalanda Taxila satisfied the same criteria that the institutions in Athens did.Shiva&#39;s Trident 12:59, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
 * My mistake on Taxila/Nalanda. I never claimed to be an expert on Indian History. I'm a Physicist, ie a REAL scientist, not a "Historian".Shiva&#39;s Trident 13:09, 1 September 2006 (UTC)


 * And how come it took YOU, a self professed "expert" a whole post before you could spot my little gaffe? Hmmmm? A real "expert" would have spotted it immediately.Shiva&#39;s Trident 13:12, 1 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Don't worry about embarassing me. Somone like you couldn't embarass me if your life depended on it.Shiva&#39;s Trident 16:36, 1 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Good. The consequences of my actions are my cross to bear. You have no part in it, nor any relevance or importance.Shiva&#39;s Trident 16:44, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Regarding CiteCop's edit concerning Taxila being a "Buddhist" center on Indian Nationalism

 * Regarding CiteCop's edit about Taxila being "Buddhist", I merely point out that terms like "Buddhism", "Vedism", "Hinduism" etc did not exist during the period in discussion (in fact, the word Hindu did not even exist back then). Plus, the Differences between "Hinduism" and "Buddhism", in terms of society were not that pronounced (the Hindu-Buddhist rift occurred much later, specifically after the Gupta Empire fell).Therefore, it is inappropriate to characterize Taxila as "Buddhist" because it introduces an exclusivist bias.Plus, religion is not the issue here, it's nationalism. I mean, I'm sure CiteCop would refer to Athens as an "Ancient Greek City" not an "Ancient Hellenistic City".Shiva&#39;s Trident 17:02, 1 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I have to agree. This is Indian nationalism not Hindu nationalism. Taxila was where Chanakya studied, so it wasn't exclusively Buddhist. Bakaman Bakatalk 17:17, 1 September 2006 (UTC)


 * What's the deal? We usually have a nice dicussion, that last message sounded like "bring it on". Bakaman Bakatalk 17:26, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Present sentence as of your last edit is fine.Shiva&#39;s Trident 18:28, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The misunderstanding arose from the fact that I was using Firefox to search the diffs for the Greek name "Taxila", which pointed to a different sentence, as opposed to the Sanskrit "Takshashila", which is on a different sentence.Shiva&#39;s Trident 18:30, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Cite cop has deleted refrenced material from the Taxila page the refrence was for the words "Early hindu" that was added there along with "buddhist centre of learning", it was from britannica.com which said that kautilya was a "hindu statesman who was a teacher at Taxila" and another from a web site about the history of ayurveda it pointed out that the brahmin charaka was associated with taxila. Now there are no stupas or buddhist monuments excavated before the later years of the reign of ashoka(which is pretty much in line with all the historical sources and point to the fact that buddhism only became prevelant in the region due to Ashoka's patronage during the later part of his reign after the Kalinga war). All the artifacts excavated from the period prior to that have been related to Hinduism especially at bhir mound. We cannont call them Vedic because the late vedic period ended long before Kautilya and Panini lived. Scholars associated with Taxila lived after the 7th century B.C. If we are going to use contemporary terms like Buddhist to describe the Ashoka and Kushan periods, then we have to use Early Hindu(used by most historians to describe this period) for the period prior to that. Cite cop should be banned for deleting refrenced material his own UNESCO refrence doesn't even use the term buddhist centre but we are all smart enough to know that a stupa is a buddhist monument. Aparently Cite cop doesn't know that Hindu statesman(kautilya), ayurvedic scholar(charaka) and sanskrit grammarian(panini) means they were Hindu gentlemen or brahmins to be precise. Or does he think they were all Buddhists??? And Subhash bose you should stop researching about the name "taxila" it doesn't prove anything it is well documented that it is Sanskrit in origin, if you want to prove your point about Early hindu learning at Taxila please cite refrences from books and sources that describe the history of taxila prior to later part of Ashoka's reign... Also, please see the discussion page at "Taxila" Sep 3, 2006

don't understand
don't understand your post on my page.. I actually was agreeing with you. Steelhead 22:19, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Irrational Hesperophilia and Orientophobia

 * Just because Subhash Kak is a brown person does not automatically rate him as unreliable, except maybe to a Kiplingist. He has tenure in a reputable univ. He has accolades.He has a fairly long publication history in Cryptologia, ACM Ubiquity, Int. Journal of Theoretical Physics, Foundations of Physics Letters ,History of Science, Philosophy & Culture in Indian Civilization,Information Sciences and other periodicals.

Shiva&#39;s Trident 16:39, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

thanks
thanks for the vote of confidence citecop... it's difficult to get a npov viewpoint here. Kennethtennyson 18:58, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

thanks for the info. Kennethtennyson 15:09, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar notice
I've awarded you a barnstar for your diligence in enforcing citations. Stifle (talk) 18:05, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Bakaman needs your help
Here's a discussion about a possible ban of Bakaman.

You were the one who told me that Bakaman was ok so I thought you might want to know. JFD 14:13, 26 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks. It was two trolls (one of whom got banned) that tried it out. As you can see, nearly all contributors decided to oppose this shortsighted move. Baka man  16:35, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Welcome back!
JFD 20:20, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Foreign influence on Chinese martial arts
Hi CiteCop, you've recently edited the article Foreign influence on Chinese martial arts. I have a concern about the early history section. Could you please visit the talk page and provide some feedback? Thanks. Shawnc 19:02, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Indian Mathematics
Hi, I think, if you don't mind, I'll revert the Indian mathematics page to Freedom skies last version. I think it only illustrates the strengths (or the lack thereof) of his citations. Plus, no point getting into edit-wars (which might result) now. Thanks for you help! Fowler&amp;fowler «Talk»  17:06, 24 February 2007 (UTC)


 * To let you know, I do on providing additional citations in the very near future. Freedom skies 17:48, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Taxila
Yes, I noticed that. Will get to it next. Meanwhile see the talk page on Takshashili university. I've added the actual quotes from Scharfe. Thanks. Fowler&amp;fowler «Talk»  16:51, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Have changed the name of the page to Takshashila centre of learning.  Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  22:20, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you
thank you kindly -- yes, dealing with nationalist muddleheads seems to be one of my main tasks around here by now :/ The topic has a certain eerie fascination of its own, and I am close to attempting an article on Nationalism and the internet, or even Wikipedia and nationalism. Human stupidity will never cease to amaze :) dab (𒁳) 21:57, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!
Hi, I only just noticed the barnstar! Much appreciated! Yes, both POV-wars and POV-fine-tuning has a life of its own and one has to be vigilant, a task made easier by encouragement of fellow travelers. Thanks again. Fowler&amp;fowler «Talk»  09:17, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Requests for arbitration
Hey,

I've requested an arbitration regarding the conduct of Freedom skies.

Can I trouble you to write a brief statement at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration#Freedom skies recounting your interactions with him and your impressions of his conduct as an editor?

Thanks.

JFD 04:35, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the Barnstar
Much appreciated! (It's both funny and tragic that the POV-pushing nationalists can't grasp how shoddy the "scholarship" is that they try to smuggle into Wikipedia.) rudra 22:24, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Requests for arbitration/Freedom skies
Hello,

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Requests for arbitration/Freedom skies. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Requests for arbitration/Freedom skies/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Requests for arbitration/Freedom skies/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, - Penwhale | Blast him / Follow his steps 03:00, 20 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Would you mind if I moved my evidence above yours in /Evidence?
 * JFD 15:00, 23 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I keep rearranging it but, frankly, Freedom skies has pulled a lot of underhanded $#!+. JFD 00:51, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

reply
Good point. See this. Baka man  00:58, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Modern Review
Modern Review was a magazine. While well respected, it was by no means a peer-reviewed academic journal. The connection with Michigan is clearly that Google Books made their PDF from a copy obtained from the UofM library! rudra 04:24, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Indian Mathematics
Hi there, Thanks for the reference. I have actually read the book, unfortunately Kaplan is really not an expert and his book is a popular book. Indian mathematics was influenced by Greek mathematics, but not in the domain of numerals. The Indian origin of the decimal place value system is really not a subject of much controversy in the History of Mathematics literature (in spite of Kaplan's frustration with the Sanskrit texts). See for example:


 * Ifrah, George. 2000. ''A Universal History of Numbers: From Prehistory to Computers, Wiley, 658 pages. (Chapter 24, 25, page 356 onwards.)

Britannica, for example, says:But decimal place value must have been in use (at least among mathematical professionals) no later than the early 1st millennium CE. This is illustrated, for example, in a 3rd-century-CE Sanskrit adaptation of a Greek astrological text that uses the Indian “concrete number” system, where names of things stand in for numbers associated with them—e.g., “moon” for 1, “eye” for 2, “Veda” for 4, “tooth” for 32, and so on. In this way, the compound “moon-Veda-eye-moon” would be read as 1,241, implying that the reader automatically assumed a strictly decimal place-value representation.

Fowler&amp;fowler «Talk»  16:08, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

PS. Actually, page 346 (which is 344 in the amazon search) in Irfah (left column) gives his main reasons. Fowler&amp;fowler «Talk»  16:20, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Requests for arbitration/Freedom skies
This case is now closed and the results have been published at the link above.


 * Freedom skies is placed on standard revert parole for one year. He is limited to one revert per page per week, excepting obvious vandalism. Further, he is required to discuss any content reversions on the page's talk page.
 * Freedom skies shall select one account and use only that account. Any other account used may be indefinitely banned. Pending selection of an account Freedom skies may not edit Wikipedia.
 * Violations of paroles and probations imposed on parties of this case shall be enforced by blocks for an appropriate period of time. Blocks and bans are to be logged at Requests for arbitration/Freedom skies.

For the Arbitration Committee --Srikeit 18:40, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Indian Mathematics
Hi CiteCop, I finally have some time to start doing a major revision of the page, which I had originally planned to do much earlier (after the RfC in March, recall your comments there). I hope you'll have some time to drop in every now and then and offer criticism. I have a bunch of books that I had ordered in March and also a sheaf of papers. Hope they help! Regards, Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  01:38, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

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